For all the people who say "oh if you're suicidal/depressed you should stay from JD", that's bullshit. They're one of the main reasons I'm still alive today. Having them for company in my wallowing black hole definitely helped me through the worst of places. I enjoy it. It resonates with me on the deepest levels even to this day. In my experience, people who can't stand JD due to their depressing sound are the ones who aren't depressed. They can't relate and they just can't feel it. It doesn't speak to them.
It depends. I love JD and it helped me too. But when I was at a real dark place years ago, I couldn't listen to it... When you're deep deep deep down at your darkest it's better NOT to listen to JD.
I remember listening to unknown pleasures everyday on my commute to work for 2 months. A dark time in my life certainly. Day of the lords and new dawn fades are my favorites.
Both Ian and Kurt struggled with an invisible force, that's all there is to it, the worst thing you can give a depressed person is the top of a mountain
JD was on the cusp of fame....so no mountain for Ian. Just struggles with epilepsy, cocktails of meds doing god knows what to his Barnet, a frustrating love triangle, depression and a sense of hopelessness, culminating in him unsubscribing from the earth. Kurt's passing was down to a different beast altogether. But yes, invisible forces is a nice way of putting it.
I think Curtis and Joy Division are the most influential and imitated band ever....I don't think people realise how gifted Curtis was,and the torture that he had to endure because of it...Just didn't do the fame game and wanted normality...Peerless and unique at the same time..A real true music legend without any doubt
He was afraid of what Joy Division represented to him ("I know I'd really like it"). What people turned Ian into ("there was sort of mystique and the stories I heard about it"). He was just like Kurt, a regular bloke with his own demons. Turned wrongfully into a symbol. Both of them never wanted that... it would feel natural for Kurt to feel disconfort towards it. The last sentence gives it all... "I'm just waiting".
@@ds3469 well Kurt did struggle from untreatable chronic bronchitis and stomach ulcers , aswell as wrongly diagnosed with ADHD instead of bipolar/manic depression
@@ds3469 Both had trouble expressing themselves to friends/family in their personal lives, but managed to do it through their music. Both had health problems that led to drug abuse and (probably) contributed to their eventual suicides. Both Curtis and Cobain somewhat revolutionized a genre in music from the expressive styles of both punk and metal, respectively, into the more introverted styles that made them famous. Both had trouble dealing with their fame, they want to get known, but hate being in the spotlight . After their suicides, both of their remaining band members went on to form successful bands themselves in New Order and Foo Fighters. And when they were asked about the lyrics, both said they don't write about anything in particular, they just leave it open to interpretation.
Dude if there ever turned out to be such a thing from the nirvana master tapes you could burry me on spot after i hear the song at least a 1000 freakin times. Imagine nirvana covering "the eternal" or "heart and soul". Omg
I’ve listened to and been a bit obsessed with Joy Division for years, I’ve never suffered from depression. To me it’s just very good art, art doesn’t have to be happy to be good and I don’t have to be depressed to appreciate something sad or minor. I like when bands don’t act macho and there’s a bit of the artist showing weakness and vulnerability it’s easier to empathise with
Joy Division and Nirvana made me feel like I wasn't alone in my battle against myself. Some of the first things I learned on bass was "ShadowPlay" and "R@pe Me" depression is the worst opponent you'll ever fight. Even in my best days it feels like a black hole I can't escape from. Joy Division and Nirvana is like being trapped there, but with a guide who knows their way around.
When Kurt skipped school in the 80’s: He mostly went to the library and read books. When everyone else skipped school in the 80’s: They mostly played video games or misbehaved around town. Although, Kurt could’ve just been trolling the interviewer when he said that. But I love how he was unique, unapologetically himself, never caved into pressure (peer or corporate), and stood firm for what he believed in. Kurt is missed by so many people around the world. 💖
Really? The world is less hip without him, if he was still alive he would cringe by your comment, and I’ve never ever been a fan of nirvana, he was unfortunately in a terrible band
NeotenyPaedomorphism He's 1 of the most obsessive, addicting, 💉 drugs I've evr done. Blv me, i should knw, i am currently trying 2 stay clean from heroin myslf. Too bad the "Cobain Trip" (for me), ALWAYS ends in such sadness & extreme depression! 😭 And with more questions than answers. i want 2 knw 4 certain, that it really was his choice 2 leave ths world!?
For anybody who doesn't know Joy Division or is looking for a taster I'd recommend a search for 'Transmission Something Else 1979 Live'. Absolutely extraordinary performance.
It would have been really interesting to hear Nirvana cover a Joy Division song, even if they were just fucking around live. A lot of common ground there, punk music legacy, alienation, disconnection from society, sense of pressure coming from success, leading to a paranoid mindset and ultimately a kind of dehumanized nightmare. I would vote for "New Dawn Fades" or maybe "Atrocity Exhibition," or even some of the weirder songs like "I Remember Nothing" or "Autosuggestion." Unfortunately one of the things this clip highlights is how the same tragedies just repeat themselves generation after generation.
People always shit on his mother for kicking him out, abandoning him. It sounds to me like she tried her best to nurture and support a young artist who was going through his teenage punk phase. Raising kids is no joke. It’s hard. And here he is talking highly of her.
ian curtis and kurt cobain are truly two very similar souls who struggled with the world around them , but created compelling music as a result of their disillusionment
Every third guy/girl who lives on this planet in society have "disillusionment", but they do not have talent and maybe have sociophobic issue etc, they cannot show to world their "disillusionment". So please, stop treat these rockstars like they're gods...
@@bochok5694 I agree with your first statement. Some people do actually suffer just from their day to day basis. These people either have no will, strength, idea, talent, time, etc. to express themselves. I, for example just don't have the time and strength to do my hobbies anymore and impove skills on these and create a craft. With just all of these daily struggles and obstacles, plus my declining health (mentally and physically,) this creates a perfect ingridient to turn my happy and contented life into the other way around. Can't even have my social life anymore (it's also declining.) I may just die like this. I may not live long enough to see huge improvement in my life. Idk, it's just sucks, I've had struggled a lot these past years. I can't just rest properly. Acquired panic attacks, etc. I'm was not as pessimistic as this, I was actually trying hard to improve my life, health, etc. But the situation just always sucks me into the despair and self-pity. I always try to find the way out, but everytime I see a light at the end of the tunnel, it would just only lead to another tunnel. Sorry if I ranted it out, I just wanna have some release right now.
@@bochok5694 regarding your second statement. These people, as an artist was not supposed to be treated as gods. We are supposed to listen to them to let them either heal us, make us feel that we are not alone and there are many people that feel the way (or close to the way) we feel, use them as a tool to express ourselves (since you've said that not all people can create arts, etc. that can express their disillusionment and other struggles,) etc. Some people may describe these artists like if they would describe gods, but I think it's all just exaggeration because what they feel towards a certain artists. These artists takes the words out of these people's mouth and as a result, these people would feel a huge connection, relate with them, and resonate. And then these people would become huge fans and may sometime exaggerate the artists that sometimes they would even call them gods.
The acoustic version of ‘on a plane’ is my favorite!!! Ive always said I wish they wouldve recorded it Ive been listening to the mtv unplugged version for years
Its seems to me the guy interviewing him was doing a great job of not being too intrusive and asking questions that Kurt approved of. Most of the interviews of his i've seen its clear he is not comfortable with the interviewer
No, he told he never kept personal diary. Diary and Journal it's another story. In journal you write poetry or abstract. Diary is about your day and experiences. That's why people will never know Kurt Cobain. Poetry and real life is completely different story.
Bleach and Unknown Pleasures came out on the same day ten years apart. Both are debut albums. Both had white and black artwork. Coincidence or not it's quite fascinating to me.
... it wasn't really a "diary", it's mostly poems, letters, words 2 songs, drawings, and ideas, etc!? It was just anothr way of Courtney cashing in on her (suspiciously) dead husband's random papers!
Gerardo Hernandez I agree: Kurt Cobain & Layne Staley's music is cathartic 4 me!! I MISS THEM SO MUCH & I AM SO ANGRY & BITTER, THAT THEIR LIVES WERE CUT SHORT 😭😭
Kurt was very humble and simple, saying he didn't had the abilities needed to write about something, but that's bullshit because his lyrics were so awesome and unique and when I can't totally understand them, I still admire it. Specially In Utero's lyrics... for example, Frances Farmer's lyrics were so powerfull, just like Scentless Apprentice and others.
One twenty second mention of Joy Division in a seven minute clip, and all it is is him saying that he actively avoids listening to them for no stated reason.
Actually he notes that he avoided Joy Division because after hearing a couple songs most likely (Love Will Tear Us Apart, Transmission, and Disorder) he knew he would really like them and the mystique of Joy Division would rub off and REALLY influence him and change his writing.
I have honestly waited to watch movies that were really good, I've done the same with musicians; not listened to their music until years after they were big, for the same reasons Kurt did with Joy Division. I think most of us who don't want to listen to music or watch a film because it's so hyped up, will wait until it isn't anymore just to see if it was that awesome or not; to see if it was just society and the "popular vote" on it, but it wasn't really that awesome. I believe he was telling the truth. 100%
I really think he was, I mean I was a Nirvana fan long before I discovered Joy Division, and not many bands caught my attention but when I first heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the late 90's it was the first time since Nirvana that a band made me go "woaaah, what the fuck is this amazing song". As we get older its so easy to get jaded on music, I mean now its been years since I've heard something that's gripped me like that. I kind of wish I knew there was another "Joy Division" for me to have on the back burner to get into when everything else has turned stale.
Gloaming I came across a band a couple days ago while reading old comics (nothing too old, from the 90s), they're filled w/fun ads to push your nostalgia button. Anyway, I see this ad for a band that I'd Never heard of before called Mad Season, and I saw that the band members were band members from Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, and the Screaming Trees. I've been listening to the album entitled Above and if you're a fan of Layne Staley, you're in for a treat. 😁🎧🎶
Kurt could easily have moved into a painting career if he had gotten tired of being a musician as his suicide note claimed. His art would have been hugely successful, if you consider what was in vogue at the time (and still is). I'll never understand why this supremely gifted man felt he had nothing left to offer.
When the Joy Division compilation 'Permanent' came out in '95, in the UK music press ads it was promoted with a Cobain quote 'I always knew they were the band to listen to'. For the '95 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' reissue the Cobain quote was 'the greatest song ever written' (or something very close to that. Not sure where that quote is from). Now I found out he only ever heard a few of their songs hahah
The first time I heard Ian, I was touched. We have so much in common. Poetry, epilepsy and depression. Thank you Ian for your music. You have touched my soul in a way that no other musician has or ever could. You are a legend.
A musical genius, A brilliant writer, A philosopher of life, A natural born poet, potential time traveler, he was always a step ahead of his own time, a league of his own. Just imagine his life if he was still around. The world will continue to inspire to evolve to impact thru his band nirvana especially thru him + thru his band mates in general. Dave & Krist are both equally as goid as Kurt, pat, chad etc. Just because you are a fan you are potentially as good, great, best at all things. I've always sucked at stuff. Like instruments, the list goes on. 🕯🌼🕊
whats so fucked up is kurt is talking (hanging in a closet) about hanging himself off Mic and the guy laughs. I bet that guy never forgot that shit when kurt died, like "what the fuck" when he died
IMO it was more about hearing a band and realizing it's a lot to take in. And that you're not ready to do that type of music yet. Maybe because you have to get your own backlog of songs out there first. Not sure i agree with the "sad" angle.
I'm always amazed that Joy Division crossed over to the US in such a big way (well, big cult way) because they're so quintessentially northern and Manc that it surprises me.
Kurt said he'd wished there was a 'rock star 101' course for the sudden, huge success thrown upon him. He loved being the figurehead of disaffected youth (at first) with 'Nevermind' but after a couple of years of having no privacy he grew to hate playing the part. Listen to 'In Utero'-he was crying out for help in that album and Courtney Love wasn't the person to do that. Both Ian and Kurt were fractured people that didn't have the foundation to bear a heavy load for long and it killed them. We give kids drugs for being hyper-active to sedate them and then expect them to not learn that drugs are the answer to everything as in Kurt's case. He was a serious junkie his whole life.
Joy division digital great song and atmosphere there's only one man who came close to kurt and that was Ian Curtis with super depressive and deep meanings
emmanuel de la cruz I’m a musician myself. Joy division is real music. Ian killed him self and that sux but he wasn’t a drug addict he had epilepsy and was suffering severe depression. Every song he wrote was full of emotions. After his death we got New Order who are also a pretty good band.
this is probably the most literarily deft thread ever compiled on youtube: Big Ups to all the authors/ contributors, especially Bark Underjord. Bark, if you ever publish anything, put me on your list -- for my part, I see a modern Edgar Allen Poe there
When closer was being released one of the producer's was asked what she thought of the album and she said that Ian needs psychological help before he harms himself. No one listened and a week later he killed himself. "Mother please try to forgive me, I'm doing the best that I can, I'm ashamed of the things I've been put through I'm ashamed of the person I am, isolation"
I think Kurt knew he'd kill himself eventually for a long time. There's the Heavier than Heaven story about him bragging about it as a kid. He knew Ian did. I think he didn't want his mythic rock and roll suicide associated with Ian's which likely would have happened had he cited them as an influence.
LSS (lead singer syndrome) sucks...Ians' barbiturates killed him just as Jim Morrisons' asthma meds and booze killed him... fucking doctors bite the big one
@@MrParkerman6 Not true. It's explained in Soaked in Bleach; both were accidents. An uncle fell down the stairs and his great grandfather's gun fell out of his holder and fired among a group of people; he died of the gunshot.
I think he knew he was going to kill himself all along and didn't want to get into JD because it would have just reminded him of what he was going to do in the end.
RIP Ian Curtis (July 15, 1956 - May 18, 1980), aged 23 And RIP Kurt Cobain (February 20, 1967 - April 5, 1994), aged 27 You both will be remembered as legends.
I understand where he's coming from, but Kurt really missed out. I think he would've loved Joy Division. They mean the world to a lot of people, myself included. Ian's lyrics and the basslines in particular are masterful. I can totally hear in my mind Nirvana covering "Shadowplay" during the In Utero tour. Lol Kurt screaming "To the center of the city in the night, WAITING FOR YOU!!"
I listened to joy division after waiting for awhile too. It was the second time i got bed bugs in a college dorm while i was drunk that i decided to listen to their entire album.
It really fucks me up that he never got to listen to Joy Division, I think he would've really liked it, and if he learnt what happened to Ian Curtis he would've been able to realise that suicide just isn't the answer because so much greatness can be lost
You make some strong & compelling points. Though for some folks out there (thank God not me I'm not really wanting to encouraging suicide), unfortunately suicide is the answer & hopefully done peacefully regardless of what greatness as you said is lost. Because strangely, it often inspires more to be gained & carried forward for those left living & grieving. Ian, Kurt, Cornell, Jack London (the man who wrote "Call of the Wild", "White Fang", & "To Build A Fire"...just to mention a small handful they've left us really great legacies & the point being is some of us need to constantly pick up torch to send this vital energy outwards. I do respect your stance though.
What a crock of detached, sentimental shit. Suicide is never the answer outside of terminal illness. Kurt left behind a daughter and infinite potential. The answer for him would have been help with his addiction and depression.
Aardvarked This is one heavy discussion & I'm willing to have it with you a little while respectfully. Because again, your points are also really compelling. & your right it's quite a legitamite argument especially about Kurt's family being left behind. For whatever reason, that fact hadn't dawned on me as it probably should have. I'm not a parent & so somehow I had misplaced that memory. My comments have angered you & that's good it shows you give a shit. My point is this time then is that while to us it all just seems like a cop out when someone says enough & takes themselves out permanantly, when they just as well could have stayed awake or simply existed until some miracle took place. & often plenty of those miracles do happen. But in Kurt's mind, I believe that he believed he was absolutely terminally ill & could see no other way......sounds to you like sentimental, detached horseshit basically right??? You're right, to me it does too when read back to myself & I wish it had to him so that he as well as those others mentioned would have taken the living course. But who am I to say what someone else should do with their lives??? & who are you? We shouldn't go out right to ever harm the lives of those about us including plants & animals, water, air...I dare say it. But in their minds they maybe thought they doing us all a favor!!! That's how tortured artists tend to think. Your response?
Can anyone answer why Kurt gets so much more attention than Layne? I love both of them there has to be literally over 25 books on Kurt/ Nirvana. Not counting Mike Starrs book there is only one Alice in Chains book. I just don't get it? Rock and roll has been around since the 50s and I would put Layne at number one vocalist of all time bar none no one can touch him, the list is endless and his harmonies with Jerry or out of this world 10 times better than Dave and Kurt which were brilliant in their own right. I think I can answer my own question Layne died a junkie dead in his room for two weeks, died alone just another loser Junkie. Thats the basic perception people have of Layne. He just lost his way because of the business, addiction and a broken heart and same with Kurt. They're just never seems to be enough information on Layne. rip layne kurdt mike
Well, for one kurt REGULARLY sang AND played guitar. Maybe MOSTLY sang. Also Kurt wrote ALL his own lyrics. The guitarist wrote a great deal of the lyrics in Alice in Chains.
Layne was just a singer. Didnt play guitar like Kurt or write the iconic riffs like he did. Plus he didn't write a lot of the AIC songs... Not to mention his voice ISNT the best. That's just your opinion kiddo. I think Jim Morrison blows him away as a vocalists hands down. Many would agree with me.
@@1dyingwish I get that its your opinion and all but how can you not like Layne's vocals, have you listened to any of the versions of the song "Would"?
He's nervous of Joy Division. Similar to Francis Bacon deliberately avoiding the Velasquez painting of Pope Pius, he only ever looked at reproductions.
Jim Walker Agreed, a lot of bands will deny their influences or claim their influences were in genres completely unrelated, so that they can seem more original.
yh i agree, JD had the "new wave / gothic" label, while grunge was in many ways associated to punk / metal. so admitting he listened to JD would have been like admitting to be uncool and a wimp , not hard , soft
Imagine being at the library in the 80's and just seeing Kurt Cobain walking around (skipping school) hanging out at the library. How fucking cool would a time machine be?
So good to hear his voice after all these years, Thanks for sharing and now I'm gonna share something special with you all. It's a quote from Mr. Cobain himself. Everyday Birds scream at the top of their lungs warning us all of the things that will come, Unfortunatly we don't speak bird,
Listen Joy Division songs would be as if Kurt could look to his own tormented soul's reflection in a dark mirror. Thats the reason to he kept away to these songs. It would be very dangerous to a potential suicidal like him at the time he was interviewed.
there is another side to see. I am bipolar and 20x more likely to take my life. (Kurt was bipolar, but not receiving treatment) I spend my adolescence suicidal and then later in life tried three times. I had not listened to Joy Division, but once I did I found it soothing. Sounds strange, but knowing there are other people that have suffered like you makes me, at least, feel less loneyly. also I am medicated so that urge is mostly gone. Sometimes I wonder if Kurt had gotten help if he would be here, if Ian had found meds that helped him. Wishful thinking, instead they were like lilies that bloomed beautifully and died.
wow what an idiotic comment that was. everyone involved in joy division all seem like really nice and down to earth people. in my opinion they dont come off as people that put fear into people like maybe a drug dealer or a police officer
i like how joy division music sounds like a cross between soft rock and heavy metal. i like how emotional and creative their sound is. they have a sound that is both relaxing and enjoyable to listen to. rock and techno are my favorite music genres
Interesting. According to this interview, it is as if he has a fear or phobia of Joy Division's music based on the stories he heard and what little music he heard by them. Since Cobain was seemingly a person who internalized his pain yet externalized it through his poetry and also thought of himself as a poorly educated poet, I wonder if dark nature of Ian Curtis' lyrics and eventual death caused him to shy away due to his own personal struggles. It is fun to debate, but honestly we will never know. All I know is that one of the everlasting memories of mine was the day Cobain's death was announced because I loved the music the band created and suddenly it was over.
Listen JD would be like a dark mirror for his suicidal tendencies. Ian & Kurt, both had maniac-depression, both are so tired to live, both commited suicide. They were twins in their mental and emotional dilemmas.
2.49 very ape / im sure kurt was influence by a argentine band called los brujos (Kanishka) / great song by both bands , love to hear kurt talk so relax ...
So sad to hear Kurt Cobain talk such a beautiful lost soul I hope to for he's not burning in hell.He was let down by society coz its sick the poverty gap wealth class etcRest In Peace Kurt Cobain xxx
For all the people who say "oh if you're suicidal/depressed you should stay from JD", that's bullshit. They're one of the main reasons I'm still alive today. Having them for company in my wallowing black hole definitely helped me through the worst of places. I enjoy it. It resonates with me on the deepest levels even to this day. In my experience, people who can't stand JD due to their depressing sound are the ones who aren't depressed. They can't relate and they just can't feel it. It doesn't speak to them.
YESSS
Horeshit
Listening to JD put a smile on my face and helped me embrace, accept and let go of my 'depressive' appetites and raison d'être..
me to
It depends. I love JD and it helped me too. But when I was at a real dark place years ago, I couldn't listen to it... When you're deep deep deep down at your darkest it's better NOT to listen to JD.
you can easily get stuck listening to Joy Division for months on end, they do that to you
U fukka yuo sayd fukcs u
I remember listening to unknown pleasures everyday on my commute to work for 2 months. A dark time in my life certainly. Day of the lords and new dawn fades are my favorites.
"It's getting faster, moving faster now. It's getting out of hand. On the tenth floor, down the back stairs, it's a no man's land"
Dexter lights are flashing cars are crashing , getting frequent now
@@bryanalmanza9296 I've got the spirit lose the feeling, let it how somehow
Kurt was humble. That's a rare trait for people who are so smart and successful. May he rest in peace.
Humble?
@@NikephorosCaesar yes humble.
Your compliment was sufficient Louis
Humble?? He was high the stupid fuck
Agree.
Both Ian and Kurt struggled with an invisible force, that's all there is to it, the worst thing you can give a depressed person is the top of a mountain
Ian Curtis was much better Artist for MILES !!!! Kurt just a student!!!
@@guillermosobrevilla8614Damn, nobody asked.
JD was on the cusp of fame....so no mountain for Ian. Just struggles with epilepsy, cocktails of meds doing god knows what to his Barnet, a frustrating love triangle, depression and a sense of hopelessness, culminating in him unsubscribing from the earth. Kurt's passing was down to a different beast altogether. But yes, invisible forces is a nice way of putting it.
I think Curtis and Joy Division are the most influential and imitated band ever....I don't think people realise how gifted Curtis was,and the torture that he had to endure because of it...Just didn't do the fame game and wanted normality...Peerless and unique at the same time..A real true music legend without any doubt
He was afraid of what Joy Division represented to him ("I know I'd really like it"). What people turned Ian into ("there was sort of mystique and the stories I heard about it"). He was just like Kurt, a regular bloke with his own demons. Turned wrongfully into a symbol. Both of them never wanted that... it would feel natural for Kurt to feel disconfort towards it. The last sentence gives it all... "I'm just waiting".
Ian's music is just too dangerous to people who are desperate and have suicidal thoughts. It is.
I had to 'wait' too, and then I loved Joy Division.
@@ds3469 I think you just don't understand what he means
@@ds3469 okay, I see
@@ds3469 well Kurt did struggle from untreatable chronic bronchitis and stomach ulcers , aswell as wrongly diagnosed with ADHD instead of bipolar/manic depression
@@ds3469 Both had trouble expressing themselves to friends/family in their personal lives, but managed to do it through their music. Both had health problems that led to drug abuse and (probably) contributed to their eventual suicides. Both Curtis and Cobain somewhat revolutionized a genre in music from the expressive styles of both punk and metal, respectively, into the more introverted styles that made them famous. Both had trouble dealing with their fame, they want to get known, but hate being in the spotlight . After their suicides, both of their remaining band members went on to form successful bands themselves in New Order and Foo Fighters. And when they were asked about the lyrics, both said they don't write about anything in particular, they just leave it open to interpretation.
Always enjoy old interviews with Kurt.
I love your videos.
what about the new ones?
fede018 there are no new ones
Mr Bleach that's the fucking joke. Because he's dead 😒
Classic alienation.
Kurt was a reader and a poet. He was such a deep soul.
Kurt Cobain and Ian Curtis both were angels ❤❤❤
Their stories parallel in a lot of ways too.
Joy division is one of the greatest bands of all time and one of my favourites. Top 5
and nirvana, but i agree
Top 3
imagine nirvana covering joy division?...would've been amazing
I can hear 'love will tear us apart' in my head as a good cover by Cobain.
@@amathis7292 nice lol
Dude if there ever turned out to be such a thing from the nirvana master tapes you could burry me on spot after i hear the song at least a 1000 freakin times. Imagine nirvana covering "the eternal" or "heart and soul". Omg
@@futurewizardcel6986 if "and i love her" translated into that depressing meaning, how "the eternal" would be though
I can guarantee that it would have been a terrible cover, so glad that nirvana didn’t,
Joy Division talked about reality of life in the most realistic way possible. And that was something very few bands had.
I’ve listened to and been a bit obsessed with Joy Division for years, I’ve never suffered from depression. To me it’s just very good art, art doesn’t have to be happy to be good and I don’t have to be depressed to appreciate something sad or minor.
I like when bands don’t act macho and there’s a bit of the artist showing weakness and vulnerability it’s easier to empathise with
Joy Division and Nirvana made me feel like I wasn't alone in my battle against myself. Some of the first things I learned on bass was "ShadowPlay" and "R@pe Me" depression is the worst opponent you'll ever fight. Even in my best days it feels like a black hole I can't escape from. Joy Division and Nirvana is like being trapped there, but with a guide who knows their way around.
When Kurt skipped school in the 80’s: He mostly went to the library and read books.
When everyone else skipped school in the 80’s: They mostly played video games or misbehaved around town.
Although, Kurt could’ve just been trolling the interviewer when he said that. But I love how he was unique, unapologetically himself, never caved into pressure (peer or corporate), and stood firm for what he believed in. Kurt is missed by so many people around the world. 💖
Kurt mentions Susan E. Hinton's books, especially The Outsiders, and also talks about Joy Division, love this!
Its awesome hearing him being so humble. I've never heard him this down to earth.
The world has been alot less hip without you Kurt.
Really? The world is less hip without him, if he was still alive he would cringe by your comment, and I’ve never ever been a fan of nirvana, he was unfortunately in a terrible band
man.. Its such a strange feeling to miss someone a shit load when you weren't even alive yet when they were.
Yes, even so when you were. I go through stages where I fixate on his music and have to stop to bring myself back.
THIS IS CALLED SPIRITUAL CONNECTION
Cobain is a hell of a drug
NeotenyPaedomorphism
He's 1 of the most obsessive, addicting, 💉 drugs I've evr done. Blv me, i should knw, i am currently trying 2 stay clean from heroin myslf.
Too bad the "Cobain Trip"
(for me), ALWAYS ends in such sadness & extreme depression! 😭 And with more questions than answers.
i want 2 knw 4 certain, that it really was his choice 2 leave ths world!?
I never heard that one. Fair play mate hahah
Smack my Kurt up...make that down so very damn long
Ok Rick James
Curtis too.. One of my favorite drugs when I'm down. ;-)
For anybody who doesn't know Joy Division or is looking for a taster I'd recommend a search for 'Transmission Something Else 1979 Live'. Absolutely extraordinary performance.
Leo Link and we can dance dance dance dance dance to the radio!
Those TV appearances are essential viweing for anyone interested in punk rock
I also recommend "Disorder - Live in France". That version is just pure power, they were peaking around then.
'She's lost control' too....
Dead souls is a great joy division track, nine inch nails did a cover of it but original is better.
Hadn't heard this before, he seems more candid and lucid than he usually was in interviews.
that's because you haven't seen enough of them :)
It would have been really interesting to hear Nirvana cover a Joy Division song, even if they were just fucking around live. A lot of common ground there, punk music legacy, alienation, disconnection from society, sense of pressure coming from success, leading to a paranoid mindset and ultimately a kind of dehumanized nightmare. I would vote for "New Dawn Fades" or maybe "Atrocity Exhibition," or even some of the weirder songs like "I Remember Nothing" or "Autosuggestion." Unfortunately one of the things this clip highlights is how the same tragedies just repeat themselves generation after generation.
OMG I wish, let's just make it up in our heads, share below. lol
Nirvana covering Interzone.
Ooooofffffffffff.
Nah it would have to be something like no love lost or Warsaw where Kurt could have really put energy into the song
New Dawn Fades
He gets so serious when he talks about music
People always shit on his mother for kicking him out, abandoning him. It sounds to me like she tried her best to nurture and support a young artist who was going through his teenage punk phase. Raising kids is no joke. It’s hard. And here he is talking highly of her.
ian curtis and kurt cobain are truly two very similar souls who struggled with the world around them , but created compelling music as a result of their disillusionment
Every third guy/girl who lives on this planet in society have "disillusionment", but they do not have talent and maybe have sociophobic issue etc, they cannot show to world their "disillusionment". So please, stop treat these rockstars like they're gods...
Ian curtis was humble, kurt cobain was a dodgy arsehole who needed a housewife instead of a hooker
@@bochok5694 I agree with your first statement. Some people do actually suffer just from their day to day basis. These people either have no will, strength, idea, talent, time, etc. to express themselves. I, for example just don't have the time and strength to do my hobbies anymore and impove skills on these and create a craft. With just all of these daily struggles and obstacles, plus my declining health (mentally and physically,) this creates a perfect ingridient to turn my happy and contented life into the other way around. Can't even have my social life anymore (it's also declining.) I may just die like this. I may not live long enough to see huge improvement in my life. Idk, it's just sucks, I've had struggled a lot these past years. I can't just rest properly. Acquired panic attacks, etc. I'm was not as pessimistic as this, I was actually trying hard to improve my life, health, etc. But the situation just always sucks me into the despair and self-pity. I always try to find the way out, but everytime I see a light at the end of the tunnel, it would just only lead to another tunnel. Sorry if I ranted it out, I just wanna have some release right now.
@@bochok5694 regarding your second statement. These people, as an artist was not supposed to be treated as gods. We are supposed to listen to them to let them either heal us, make us feel that we are not alone and there are many people that feel the way (or close to the way) we feel, use them as a tool to express ourselves (since you've said that not all people can create arts, etc. that can express their disillusionment and other struggles,) etc. Some people may describe these artists like if they would describe gods, but I think it's all just exaggeration because what they feel towards a certain artists. These artists takes the words out of these people's mouth and as a result, these people would feel a huge connection, relate with them, and resonate. And then these people would become huge fans and may sometime exaggerate the artists that sometimes they would even call them gods.
Not really. Kurt was murdered.
Ian killed himself.
The acoustic version of ‘on a plane’ is my favorite!!! Ive always said I wish they wouldve recorded it Ive been listening to the mtv unplugged version for years
He's very open in this interview, unusual!
Except for the part where he says he "never kept personal journals". We all know that wasn't true.
Its seems to me the guy interviewing him was doing a great job of not being too intrusive and asking questions that Kurt approved of. Most of the interviews of his i've seen its clear he is not comfortable with the interviewer
He's lucid here. It's nice
Right? He must have actually liked whoever was interviewing him.
No, he told he never kept personal diary. Diary and Journal it's another story. In journal you write poetry or abstract. Diary is about your day and experiences. That's why people will never know Kurt Cobain. Poetry and real life is completely different story.
Bleach and Unknown Pleasures came out on the same day ten years apart. Both are debut albums. Both had white and black artwork. Coincidence or not it's quite fascinating to me.
"I've never kept a diary". Kurt Cobain Journals, now on sale for the low price of $19.95
Polyfusia got my copy in 05
... it wasn't really a "diary", it's mostly poems, letters, words 2 songs, drawings, and ideas, etc!?
It was just anothr way of Courtney cashing in on her (suspiciously) dead husband's random papers!
Niomi Elston Wrong. He had a lot of personal entries in there as well. Which makes them journals.
Niomi Elston Also it was corroborated by Tracy that he kept journals, along with friends of his. He would leave them out for people to read sometimes.
it's called Kurt Cobain Journals. Diary is when you write about your day.
When he talks about doing acoustic version of his songs, to me is the true self of Kurt. He is forever in my soul, God bless him❤
That's the band to listen to of all the bands - on Joy division. If only Kurt and Ian are with us.
..and with all of that..you made history Kurt.you are revolutionary..
Essa Canal presta um grande-valioso serviço pra quem gosta e ama a banda.
Fico feliz em ler isso! :D
Gente que fica feliz e agradecido.
Pelo que eu entendi o Kurt Cobain evitava ouvir o Joy Division porque as letras eram depressivas. É isto?
Comentários e Idéias sim
Nunca tinha visto essa entrevista amo as duas bandas, dois gênios que se foram de uma forma tão violenta.
kurt cobain hss so much in common with b Ian Curtis its unreal
They were both angels ❤❤❤
This video collects two of my favorite artists that have committed suicide... their music should be listened by everyone!
Gerardo Hernandez no that would be horroable, The People wouldnt understand it
Gerardo Hernandez
I agree: Kurt Cobain & Layne Staley's music is cathartic 4 me!!
I MISS THEM SO MUCH & I AM SO ANGRY & BITTER, THAT THEIR LIVES WERE CUT SHORT 😭😭
I don't think Cobain actually died by suicide, but he very well may have.
Ian Curtis did hang himself though. No one is disputing Ian’s death.
kurt cobain death is still unsolved there is no proof he committed suicide
Niomi Elston Most people don't know this but, Jerry Cantrell wrote most of AICs music.
Kurt was very humble and simple, saying he didn't had the abilities needed to write about something, but that's bullshit because his lyrics were so awesome and unique and when I can't totally understand them, I still admire it. Specially In Utero's lyrics... for example, Frances Farmer's lyrics were so powerfull, just like Scentless Apprentice and others.
One twenty second mention of Joy Division in a seven minute clip, and all it is is him saying that he actively avoids listening to them for no stated reason.
Plato offed himself and he was hardly idiotic
Actually he notes that he avoided Joy Division because after hearing a couple songs most likely (Love Will Tear Us Apart, Transmission, and Disorder) he knew he would really like them and the mystique of Joy Division would rub off and REALLY influence him and change his writing.
@@iancurtisspectre3744 Socrates was the one who took his own life, not Plato. And, mind you, he was condemned to death by the Athenian state
@@tylerodonnnell6821 in fairness, he was also given the option for exile
@@elenchus in fairness, if he chose exile we wouldnt know who he is
I have honestly waited to watch movies that were really good, I've done the same with musicians; not listened to their music until years after they were big, for the same reasons Kurt did with Joy Division. I think most of us who don't want to listen to music or watch a film because it's so hyped up, will wait until it isn't anymore just to see if it was that awesome or not; to see if it was just society and the "popular vote" on it, but it wasn't really that awesome. I believe he was telling the truth. 100%
I really think he was, I mean I was a Nirvana fan long before I discovered Joy Division, and not many bands caught my attention but when I first heard Love Will Tear Us Apart in the late 90's it was the first time since Nirvana that a band made me go "woaaah, what the fuck is this amazing song". As we get older its so easy to get jaded on music, I mean now its been years since I've heard something that's gripped me like that. I kind of wish I knew there was another "Joy Division" for me to have on the back burner to get into when everything else has turned stale.
I do the same thing with books. LONG LIVE KURT AND IAN!! \m/ >^.^
Gloaming I came across a band a couple days ago while reading old comics (nothing too old, from the 90s), they're filled w/fun ads to push your nostalgia button. Anyway, I see this ad for a band that I'd Never heard of before called Mad Season, and I saw that the band members were band members from Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, and the Screaming Trees. I've been listening to the album entitled Above and if you're a fan of Layne Staley, you're in for a treat. 😁🎧🎶
Andrea, thanks for that, will definitely check them out (: , love all those bands but never heard of Mad Season
tehgurl I no I can say I’ve done that with lots of music
Kurt really seemed to respect Ian Curtis' writing...that's pretty humble. I wonder what Ian and Kurt would have talked about if they had ever met.
I could listen to him talk all day n night
Kurt could easily have moved into a painting career if he had gotten tired of being a musician as his suicide note claimed. His art would have been hugely successful, if you consider what was in vogue at the time (and still is). I'll never understand why this supremely gifted man felt he had nothing left to offer.
It was all waiting for him. He knew it, fame was to become cool. He hated it!
Is a lie/mistake , depression does that. The thing about not having nothing to give.
That's what Krist has relayed in interviews post death...."he should'n't have done that....he could've done anything he wanted..."
Joy Division and Nirvana. 2 most influential bands in Rock history
Jason Peter's good joke
the doors
The Beatles???
Sorry no just no
Velvets influenced them both just saying I love both bands
Love Kurt's Northwestern accent.
When the Joy Division compilation 'Permanent' came out in '95, in the UK music press ads it was promoted with a Cobain quote 'I always knew they were the band to listen to'. For the '95 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' reissue the Cobain quote was 'the greatest song ever written' (or something very close to that. Not sure where that quote is from). Now I found out he only ever heard a few of their songs hahah
@Malichi The UK music press ads at the time. I just remember them
Kurt and Ian, both are very wise empaths ❤❤❤
"Classic alienation."
Nirvanas unreleased 4th album
Classic isolation.
LINDO.CANTAVA..SEUS.............SENTIMENTOS....................
É..UM..DOM.ESPECIAL...............CANTAVA.COM.A.ALMA.......DE.DEUS..MUSICA............
É..OUVIR..DEUS..CANTANDO....PARA..NÓS.......CORT..ERA.....INCRIVEL........ 💯💯
The first time I heard Ian, I was touched. We have so much in common. Poetry, epilepsy and depression. Thank you Ian for your music. You have touched my soul in a way that no other musician has or ever could. You are a legend.
A musical genius, A brilliant writer, A philosopher of life, A natural born poet, potential time traveler, he was always a step ahead of his own time, a league of his own. Just imagine his life if he was still around. The world will continue to inspire to evolve to impact thru his band nirvana especially thru him + thru his band mates in general. Dave & Krist are both equally as goid as Kurt, pat, chad etc. Just because you are a fan you are potentially as good, great, best at all things. I've always sucked at stuff. Like instruments, the list goes on. 🕯🌼🕊
whats so fucked up is kurt is talking (hanging in a closet) about hanging himself off Mic and the guy laughs. I bet that guy never forgot that shit when kurt died, like "what the fuck" when he died
Ai, meu coração!!! Daria tudo para ler as poesias dele....Inacreditavelmente encantador!! Nem parece real, que existiu mesmo...
Kurt was afraid to follow Ian's path, which unfortunately he did.
IMO it was more about hearing a band and realizing it's a lot to take in. And that you're not ready to do that type of music yet. Maybe because you have to get your own backlog of songs out there first. Not sure i agree with the "sad" angle.
NirvanaSubs.... whomever you are, you kick ass
Kiss ass you mean.
I'm always amazed that Joy Division crossed over to the US in such a big way (well, big cult way) because they're so quintessentially northern and Manc that it surprises me.
Kurt said he'd wished there was a 'rock star 101' course for the sudden, huge success thrown upon him. He loved being the figurehead of disaffected youth (at first) with 'Nevermind' but after a couple of years of having no privacy he grew to hate playing the part. Listen to 'In Utero'-he was crying out for help in that album and Courtney Love wasn't the person to do that. Both Ian and Kurt were fractured people that didn't have the foundation to bear a heavy load for long and it killed them. We give kids drugs for being hyper-active to sedate them and then expect them to not learn that drugs are the answer to everything as in Kurt's case. He was a serious junkie his whole life.
kurt is so similar to one of my best friends named seb I just can't believe it they way they speak about things and think is just the same
Someone asking the valuable questions, about his writing process 👍
I've loved Joy Division since I first heard them in the mid 90s but I only found out recently that they became New Order... How did I miss that?! Lol
New Order you should listen to, remarkable development, they were all autodidactive musicians,!
You will probably like the early stuff most at the beginning. Ceremony, Dreams never fade, Age of Consent, Temptation etc
Joy division digital great song and atmosphere there's only one man who came close to kurt and that was Ian Curtis with super depressive and deep meanings
Ian came close to Kurt...? That's like saying Jeff Buckley came close to Sam Smith.
lol, this guy thinks Nirvana was anywhere near Joy Division
He never mentions Joy Division till the end and he was afraid of it. Joy Division was the best band ever.
emmanuel de la cruz I’m a musician myself. Joy division is real music. Ian killed him self and that sux but he wasn’t a drug addict he had epilepsy and was suffering severe depression. Every song he wrote was full of emotions. After his death we got New Order who are also a pretty good band.
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this is probably the most literarily deft thread ever compiled on youtube: Big Ups to all the authors/ contributors, especially Bark Underjord. Bark, if you ever publish anything, put me on your list -- for my part, I see a modern Edgar Allen Poe there
modern-day
When closer was being released one of the producer's was asked what she thought of the album and she said that Ian needs psychological help before he harms himself.
No one listened and a week later he killed himself.
"Mother please try to forgive me, I'm doing the best that I can, I'm ashamed of the things I've been put through I'm ashamed of the person I am, isolation"
I miss you Kurt
Me too...
Kurt is smiling down at you ❤
Thank you for posting this friend :)
I think Kurt knew he'd kill himself eventually for a long time. There's the Heavier than Heaven story about him bragging about it as a kid. He knew Ian did. I think he didn't want his mythic rock and roll suicide associated with Ian's which likely would have happened had he cited them as an influence.
murdered not suicide
LSS (lead singer syndrome) sucks...Ians' barbiturates killed him just as Jim Morrisons' asthma meds and booze killed him... fucking doctors bite the big one
Two of his uncles had already killed themselves. It ran in his family.
@@MrParkerman6 Not true. It's explained in Soaked in Bleach; both were accidents. An uncle fell down the stairs and his great grandfather's gun fell out of his holder and fired among a group of people; he died of the gunshot.
Yeah
I think he knew he was going to kill himself all along and didn't want to get into JD because it would have just reminded him of what he was going to do in the end.
Ooooh, nice interview, thanks for sharing this
RIP Ian Curtis (July 15, 1956 - May 18, 1980), aged 23
And
RIP Kurt Cobain (February 20, 1967 - April 5, 1994), aged 27
You both will be remembered as legends.
The world was never ready and never will be ready for a joy division song covered by nirvana
I understand where he's coming from, but Kurt really missed out. I think he would've loved Joy Division. They mean the world to a lot of people, myself included. Ian's lyrics and the basslines in particular are masterful. I can totally hear in my mind Nirvana covering "Shadowplay" during the In Utero tour. Lol Kurt screaming "To the center of the city in the night, WAITING FOR YOU!!"
I listened to joy division after waiting for awhile too. It was the second time i got bed bugs in a college dorm while i was drunk that i decided to listen to their entire album.
Imagine if joy division and nirvana made a single or a LP together!!
It really fucks me up that he never got to listen to Joy Division, I think he would've really liked it, and if he learnt what happened to Ian Curtis he would've been able to realise that suicide just isn't the answer because so much greatness can be lost
Matt Ludlam what year was this interview? Maybe he did actually get to listen.
Maybe some don't want an answer anymore and are just tired of life...had enough.
You make some strong & compelling points. Though for some folks out there (thank God not me I'm not really wanting to encouraging suicide), unfortunately suicide is the answer & hopefully done peacefully regardless of what greatness as you said is lost. Because strangely, it often inspires more to be gained & carried forward for those left living & grieving. Ian, Kurt, Cornell, Jack London (the man who wrote "Call of the Wild", "White Fang", & "To Build A Fire"...just to mention a small handful they've left us really great legacies & the point being is some of us need to constantly pick up torch to send this vital energy outwards. I do respect your stance though.
What a crock of detached, sentimental shit. Suicide is never the answer outside of terminal illness. Kurt left behind a daughter and infinite potential. The answer for him would have been help with his addiction and depression.
Aardvarked This is one heavy discussion & I'm willing to have it with you a little while respectfully. Because again, your points are also really compelling. & your right it's quite a legitamite argument especially about Kurt's family being left behind. For whatever reason, that fact hadn't dawned on me as it probably should have. I'm not a parent & so somehow I had misplaced that memory. My comments have angered you & that's good it shows you give a shit. My point is this time then is that while to us it all just seems like a cop out when someone says enough & takes themselves out permanantly, when they just as well could have stayed awake or simply existed until some miracle took place. & often plenty of those miracles do happen. But in Kurt's mind, I believe that he believed he was absolutely terminally ill & could see no other way......sounds to you like sentimental, detached horseshit basically right??? You're right, to me it does too when read back to myself & I wish it had to him so that he as well as those others mentioned would have taken the living course. But who am I to say what someone else should do with their lives??? & who are you? We shouldn't go out right to ever harm the lives of those about us including plants & animals, water, air...I dare say it. But in their minds they maybe thought they doing us all a favor!!! That's how tortured artists tend to think. Your response?
Can anyone answer why Kurt gets so much more attention than Layne? I love both of them there has to be literally over 25 books on Kurt/ Nirvana. Not counting Mike Starrs book there is only one Alice in Chains book. I just don't get it? Rock and roll has been around since the 50s and I would put Layne at number one vocalist of all time bar none no one can touch him, the list is endless and his harmonies with Jerry or out of this world 10 times better than Dave and Kurt which were brilliant in their own right. I think I can answer my own question Layne died a junkie dead in his room for two weeks, died alone just another loser Junkie. Thats the basic perception people have of Layne. He just lost his way because of the business, addiction and a broken heart and same with Kurt. They're just never seems to be enough information on Layne. rip layne kurdt mike
Well, for one kurt REGULARLY sang AND played guitar. Maybe MOSTLY sang. Also Kurt wrote ALL his own lyrics. The guitarist wrote a great deal of the lyrics in Alice in Chains.
Layne was just a singer. Didnt play guitar like Kurt or write the iconic riffs like he did. Plus he didn't write a lot of the AIC songs... Not to mention his voice ISNT the best. That's just your opinion kiddo. I think Jim Morrison blows him away as a vocalists hands down. Many would agree with me.
@@1dyingwish I get that its your opinion and all but how can you not like Layne's vocals, have you listened to any of the versions of the song "Would"?
He's nervous of Joy Division. Similar to Francis Bacon deliberately avoiding the Velasquez painting of Pope Pius, he only ever looked at reproductions.
I don't believe him. He knew JD inside and out.
Jim Walker Agreed, a lot of bands will deny their influences or claim their influences were in genres completely unrelated, so that they can seem more original.
yh i agree, JD had the "new wave / gothic" label, while grunge was in many ways associated to punk / metal. so admitting he listened to JD would have been like admitting to be uncool and a wimp , not hard , soft
+Independence City Motoring Interpol claimed that they weren't inspired by JD... total BS Carlos and co
Arno Nühm hmm interesting. The thing is no one ever viewed Kurt cobain as "hard" or Nirvana as "hard". That wasn't even a part of their "image".
Casey Cardenas it's entirely possible that he avoided Joy Division because he was afraid of copying them, based on their reputation
I wonder if Courtney's timely talk with her daughter about what happened to daddy is as clear and lucid as this conversation?
Haha, absolutely not
Imagine being at the library in the 80's and just seeing Kurt Cobain walking around (skipping school) hanging out at the library. How fucking cool would a time machine be?
Life is so short. One day he's hottest thing on the planet,and before you know it..he's just a grainy thumb photo on youtube.
Ian or Kurt?
A grande verdade que a alma nunca more
This is the "LOST" interview published in GW
Enjoy jamming it with Ian, Kurt 😇😇😇
So good to hear his voice after all these years, Thanks for sharing and now I'm gonna share something special with you all. It's a quote from Mr. Cobain himself. Everyday Birds scream at the top of their lungs warning us all of the things that will come, Unfortunatly we don't speak bird,
I wonder if he ever got to listen to Joy Division before he passed.
lol he did. he said he heard a few of their songs
Chobes 182 considering joy division where around just before the smiths so around the 70-80s
Huh? Joy Division came before them u turkey
Will Wilkerson gobble gobble!
Will Wilkerson he said in the interview that he knows of them, but hasn't listened to them much. The turkey bit made me laugh though.
Listen Joy Division songs would be as if Kurt could look to his own tormented soul's reflection in a dark mirror. Thats the reason to he kept away to these songs. It would be very dangerous to a potential suicidal like him at the time he was interviewed.
there is another side to see. I am bipolar and 20x more likely to take my life. (Kurt was bipolar, but not receiving treatment) I spend my adolescence suicidal and then later in life tried three times. I had not listened to Joy Division, but once I did I found it soothing. Sounds strange, but knowing there are other people that have suffered like you makes me, at least, feel less loneyly. also I am medicated so that urge is mostly gone. Sometimes I wonder if Kurt had gotten help if he would be here, if Ian had found meds that helped him. Wishful thinking, instead they were like lilies that bloomed beautifully and died.
He was afraid of Joy Division.
What do you mean?
nobody is afraid of joy division
wow what an idiotic comment that was. everyone involved in joy division all seem like really nice and down to earth people. in my opinion they dont come off as people that put fear into people like maybe a drug dealer or a police officer
i like how joy division music sounds like a cross between soft rock and heavy metal. i like how emotional and creative their sound is. they have a sound that is both relaxing and enjoyable to listen to. rock and techno are my favorite music genres
i dig their electronic stuff too. some of my faves are blue monday, fine time, bizarre love triangle. cheers and happy saturday to you
Interesting. According to this interview, it is as if he has a fear or phobia of Joy Division's music based on the stories he heard and what little music he heard by them. Since Cobain was seemingly a person who internalized his pain yet externalized it through his poetry and also thought of himself as a poorly educated poet, I wonder if dark nature of Ian Curtis' lyrics and eventual death caused him to shy away due to his own personal struggles. It is fun to debate, but honestly we will never know. All I know is that one of the everlasting memories of mine was the day Cobain's death was announced because I loved the music the band created and suddenly it was over.
I thought the same about why he was afraid of listening to joy division... this is sad he could have discovered so much good music if he...oh, well..
Listen JD would be like a dark mirror for his suicidal tendencies. Ian & Kurt, both had maniac-depression, both are so tired to live, both commited suicide. They were twins in their mental and emotional dilemmas.
Yup, i think you nailed it
JD is mentioned Once at the end lol.
Wow, I like him, and Joy Division too.
Limitations are so whats right now. On a new level of feeling man. God Why.
In my opinion (sorry IMO-I forgot I was cool for a moment there), it's ok for lyrics not to mean anything as long as they're aesthetically pleasing.
2.49 very ape / im sure kurt was influence by a argentine band called los brujos (Kanishka) / great song by both bands , love to hear kurt talk so relax ...
Gostei da entrevista. Só achei pouco o que ele falou de Joy division. Mas é interessante saber como era formada as músicas.
Hope u did not wait too long to hear Ian Curtis. !'
I'd like make toast with Kurt wine ......
So sad to hear Kurt Cobain talk such a beautiful lost soul I hope to for he's not burning in hell.He was let down by society coz its sick the poverty gap wealth class etcRest In Peace Kurt Cobain xxx
hell is as fictional as the Bilebull
"I'm really claustrophobic too. The worst ... the most terrifying thought I could think of is falling head-first into Courtney's snatch".
Fartful Codger
courtney's snatch?
disarmingly beautiful man
Kurt Cobain actually meet Joy Division!