Dark Bible Stories That You Never Heard | Joe Rogan & Michelle Dowd
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Michelle Dowd is the author of "Forager: Field Notes on Surviving a Family Cult," revealing her life growing up on an isolated mountain within an apocalyptic cult, and how she found her way out by gleaning strength from the wilderness.
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She proceeds to tell people, "That's a story not a lot people hear," after telling King David's most infamous story.
I haven't read the bible yet I'm 29 I barely started ❤❤
That part of David's story is downplayed HARD compared to the rest of this life. Just saying.
The version I learned was essentially "whoops he done goofed lol" as we spent not even 15 minutes on it. The story of him vs Goliath was several classes long.
Bang on. I’m a Christian, this has been taught in my church plenty of times. That’s the point of the story, he committed murder and adultery but he repented but it had ramifications that went through his genealogy just like God told him. Because of that transgression one of his sons raped one of his daughters to another wife and then his own son Absolom rose up to rebel and try and take his kingdom.
The Bible does not condone slavery. What is termed slavery in the Old Testament is indebted servitude and on the year of Jubilee they were all set free unless they chose to remain. It was a way of paying debts that couldn’t otherwise be paid.
It's a worldwide podcast. Most people aren't Christian.
This is a commonly known story among actual Christians it’s to show how even the most mightiest men can fall to sin when they don’t follow God
God killed a baby, though?
Was going to say we teach this regularly. I mean it's a great story. It teaches even the greatest person of God can fall and give in to temptation ruining all of the good works and deeds they made.
@@adamkinne6467 exactly if you go to the right church’s can learn the whole Bible
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So is it true that God kills the baby?
The stories she told are literally some of the most well known in the entire Bible.
Thank you. I thought that maybe she was making a joke about this or something. I have probably forgotten a lot of the things I knew when I was a bible classes goer (as a kid) but even I remember King David’s story and the stories surrounding Jacob and his near descendants. 😂
I have never heard them ever so they are far from the most well know stories
To be fair. hardly any believer that actually read the Bible. They mostl;y hear the occasional feel good story told by a 3rd party,
Nope. I went to a Christian School K-12 and church 3X per week. These stories were NEVER told.
To Christians, maybe. But Christians think most people are Christians, and if they're not, they should be
This is the perfect example of little knowledge is dangerous
Could you please elaborate? Legitimate question, I’m asking for knowledge not spite.
@@adamryerson2974 The proverb ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ expresses the idea that a small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are, which can lead to mistakes being made.
Oh you're going to try to make excuses for baby murder are you? Let's hear it then!
And excuses for slavery. Exodus chapter 21 in the book of lies
Listen... Upon character based philosophical and ethical deconstruction, the ONLY conclusion that you can come to is that the bible is SO GROSSLY morally and ethically inconsistent that in truth (and I know this is difficult to hear), it doesn't deserve the moral pedestal that's often thrust upon it... The bible's moral spectrum ranges from murderous baby killing genocide to societal pacifism and everything else in between... You can't depend on that in our modern age without cherry picking scripture to suit YOUR ideals... If both a genocidal maniac and pacifist can use scripture to validate their point of views with so called "Godly approval" then it tells you everything you need to know...
The bible is ethically inconsistent and anachronistic, that's a FACT not an opinion... Which is the subtext of the conversation.
That first story she mentions isn't a secret. There's an actual Veggie Tales episode about that episode.
I was gonna say, that story is Christianity 101. Basic example of lust
And yet it’s the Old Testament
Yeah, it's not a secret.It's in the "book of truth" that nobody reads. She didn't say That it was a secret. She said nobody knows about it because nobody reads it.... Because other people just tell them what are supposed to think about it.
And slanted.
Veggie Tales is a myth
The David story tells the truth about giving into lust. It's brilliant and actually shows how it can wreck your life.
Yep. Then you have Solomon who was the wisest man to date. He did many great things including building the temple. Despite his wisdom, however, he was persuaded by his wife to worship idols. The Old Testament is a series of lessons and failures. The failures lead to the flood and eventually the Savior. Everyone will know, one way or another.
If you are really nerdy that David story is a replaying of the garden of Eden pay attention to the words used. "David SAW, David Took, David hid... etc etc..." but if you are interested in stuff like that go deep in the meaning of the stories I highly recommend the bible project podcasts. They uncover the bible in a way that makes sense when you sit to think about it.
@@lynlynb7139 Bible project. Thanks, will look into it. If nerdy means informed on the only important part of my existence then sign me up. 😁
I think it's a bit more serious than simply lust.
@@johnmichaelson9173 the seed was planted with lust
The Bible says people push the truth away because they love their sin too much. It also says, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'" Deep down, people know there is a God, but they also know to acknowledge God would mean there would be moral accountability. People don't want that.
Absolutely because we all have a measure of faith that can move mountains. We're having the breath of God inside me like he does.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
very well said brother @PeterBornAgain
Or it could be that the facts and the evidence isn’t sufficient enough to prove the existence of god and that its really not that evil to do very natural human things (provided nobody gets hurt)
@@nicholasforan9105there is no basis of morality without God. Why should it matter if someone gets hurt provided there is no God?
I can't believe we're still debating the validity of some parts of the Bible. See that's the problem. The bible has moments of historically accurate stories. But when the authors tell me these are gods words I gotta laugh. Do you guys really think God was ok with slaves? Do you think God really explained how to justify you owning humans? How about this. Show me something in the bible that exceeds the knowledge of the people when it was written. I'll wait
I love how the thumbnail shows a page out of “scary stories to tell in the dark” 😂
Same I was like what the?? 😂
The Bible records things it does not condone.
Exactly, it's not just a rule book. It's an exploration of good and evil. Hero's in it sometimes do bad things. Thief and criminals in it sometimes do good things.
Much of the Bible is allegorical
Murder
So why use it as somewhere to get morality if it just records things and doesn’t condone them?
Much of the Bible is bullshit.
If she read the whole thing when she was 8, she probably understood less than 10% of it. Let's all just be honest.
She wanted to impress the audience with her voracious, intellectualism. 'I was a child prodigy in religious studies.' lol
She is on her high horse.
Right because she’s not a grown adult women speaking about it now right? She never read the book again after she was 8 right? Please stop it 😂
@@Prestonsworld202@Prestonsworld202 Dude, stop trippin'. I don't know if she has reread the Bible since age 8. I just know that 8-year-olds aren't smart enough to understand it.
A lot of folks been reading it their whole lives and still don’t understand it.
He read the Bible and doesn’t know these stories. Time to read it again, Joe.
With the Holy Spirit
To those who don’t believe its folly to us who do its the power of God
I will pray for these two
Here’s another interesting and violent Bible story for the comment section. There was a leader of the Canaanite army named Sisera. He and his soldiers were fighting against the Israelites under a leader named Barak. Sisera’s army fell and all of them were killed, but Sisera himself ran away. A lady named Jael saw him outside her house and she told him to come inside, that she was a friend and would protect him. He went in with her and she gave him milk to drink and a blanket. He told her to watch the door, and if anyone came by, to say that she was alone in the house. She agreed to this and Sisera laid on the floor with the blanket and fell asleep. Jael then took a hammer and nail, while Sisera was asleep, and drove it through his temple and nailed his head to the floor of her house. She left him just like that, and eventually Barak came by, still hunting Sisera. Jael met Sisera outside and told him she had the man he was looking for, and led him to the dead Sisera, his head still spiked to the floor.
Edit: Judges 4:14-22 if you want to read it for yourself
One of my favorite stories. JAEL is a true hero!
@@yaee123 The fact you think this savage, barbaric murderer is 'heoic' is concerning.
You should put chapter in verse to lead people to the story. Most people are lazy and won't investigate unless you point them directly to it.
@@user-cj5rz9ct4g Good call, I added it.
Deborah and Jael is one of my favorite stories! This is a great example of how God does use women in authority. There's so much to learn from Deborah's story (Jael is just part of it). There's some great devotionals about it in the Bible app, you version.
The Bible isn't supposed to only tell of warm and fuzzy events. It's a record of history that tells of how God interacts with His people.
extremely edited revision of borrowed stories, good news it's about to edited again to remove the jews killing Jesus and any negative remarks towards jews or things that paint jews in a bad light.
identify who you are not allowed to criticize and that's who rules you.
cowards.
Exactly!
Are you stupid ? Because when you say stuff like that you sound stupid .
It's not history 😂it has some history with mythical stories. God isn't real. Maybe you should educate yourself on evolution, the science of human biology, astrology. There's a reason why the majority of scientists are atheists, because they understand the basics of how things work
God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save us from himself 🤦 right how logical
The fact that the imperfections of the people of God are on full display throughout the Bible is one of the most compelling things about it. Clearly not hiding anything.
Wow! Dont let the muslims here this argument! They will adapt it immediately.
I find it fascinating that in todays age we still have people worshipping imaginary sky fairy's. It's absolutely mental 😂😂
✝️🙌 So true! I think it's about loyalty in the end. Living the Christian life has never been easy, but knowing who you serve is. Both of those Old Testament examples were under a different dispensation predating Christ of course. But still, imperfect people through the ages, trying to walk the walk and serve God is what it's all about.
@@MikeEnforcer not imaginary sky fairy's... Yahuah the Mighty King of kings... we leave the fairy's for u
@hewhotrulybelieves yeah you imaginary sky daddy doesn't exist... Nice try though.... better luck next time
When david prayed after this he begged god not to lose the lord's favor, even if he lost everything else for his sin. Thats how the story ends. Saul asked to not lose his kingdom and power; david asked not to lose the lord's favor. A man after the lord's heart. The story is to teach us not to fall into adultery and lies. And it is always a serious problem if you end up mixed up in that stuff
Me, waiting to hear a story I haven’t heard before: 😴🛌
Actually, most churches do not shy away from those stories, at all, especially the story of David and Uriah. That's why religious folk will name their kids Uriah, and they become MMA fighters.
Faber and Hall? 😂
@@ETS186 Yes! Two of my favorites.
Do people who named their child david want them to be cuckhold? 😂
All churches shy away from jesus failing malachi
@@PedroParko What sort of backyard MMA are you watching, bruh?
You got to love when people try to explain the Bible without knowing anything about the history or context and stories okay
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So true
She grew up in it
@@josemadrid2913
A lot of people did, doesn’t mean they understand it.
yeah the rando in the youtube comments knows the answers lmfao
My son is named Uriah because of his loyalty.
How did you know he would be loyal?
“Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” -Matthew 13:13
Talking about trump huh?
@@suedesweffervescent No, you.
some big discrepancies in the telling of the story of Tamar. After Judah lost his second son. His last son wasn't given to Tamar for two reasons, one, he was too young and the second is because Judah was afraid he might loose his last son. So he didn't promise Tamar that she will be the wife of his last son for these two reasons and not the one reason mentioned in the video.
Tamar went back to her home as instructed by Judah, again that is all that Judah does, he instructs her to go and wait at her fathers house. Tamar while at her fathers home wore cloths that is synonyms for someone who is a widow and grieving. She finds out that Judah is coming to where her fathers home is because he wants to sheer his sheep, upon hearing this Tamar has a plan. She knows that she isn't pledged to Judah's last son and she wants to take it upon herself to get pregnant. So she takes for cloths that are meant for grieving and switches them for cloths that is synonyms for a prostitute at that time. Main point here is that she is wearing a head veil and as such no one can see her face.
Judah walks into this town/village and sees this prostitute who is wearing a veil and he asks to sleep with her. This is where the video goes off the rails. She asks Judah what she will get in return for sleeping with him and she knows that this is her father in law and he doesn't know who she is. He says he will give her one of his sheep in his village/camp. Judah isn't at his camp/village, so this is supposed to be a promise for future payment. She asks him for a guarantee for this payment. He asks what she wants and she says she wants a seal with his cord and his staff. He agrees and he sleeps with her. Judah didn't sleep with her and not have payment, they discussed how Judah will pay her and she played him in this part of the story. Tamar isn't this poor innocent person and neither is Judah.
So she goes back to her fathers home and switches into her cloths meant for grieving. Judah returns to his camp and sends a friend to pay her but he cannot find her and he returns to Judah and tells him that she cannot be found. He is embarrassed that she has his seal and staff. But he makes peace with the idea that she has stolen it. We all now know that this was Tamar's plan, she didn't want a sheep, she was playing Judah and got proof of the person she slept with.
The video made it sound like Tamar became a prostitute because she wanted to make a living. This isn't true, she wanted to get pregnant from sleeping with her father-in-law. Plain and simple.
She got pregnant and Judah is told that Tamar is found to be pregnant and the assertion is that she prostituted herself. Judah wants her killed but before she is killed she sends him his staff and seal. Tamar honey potted Judah and got what she felt she deserved.
Moral of the story. Men need to keep it in their pants coz women who are just selling sex cannot be trusted. The other moral of the story is do what is right, Judah in his fear doesn't give assurances to Tamar that she will be married off, so when he didn't do that the rest of the story played out as it did. Judah is also the same guy who earlier discouraged his brothers from killing Joseph but instead mentioned to have him sold. Joseph lived and as per what is said in the bible he became the second highest in Egypt and also saved Egypt and his family from starvation. So Judah is seen as someone who loved his family when the rest of them were okay with killing one of them. He isn't perfect but neither is Tamar and all of them played their role.
Well put , also by God's providence Tamar gives Birth to Twins, Perez and Zerah, which from Judas line Comes King David, and ultimately our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, God is Sovereign over all, as Joseph said to his Brother's you meant it for evil but God meant it for good
im confused. Did Tamar had sex with her Father in law or played like she did??? And y he didn't go see Tamar back at her father house after he had sex with the "prosistute"( or he didnt)🤷
Also, it was Judah's duty as the patriarch to ensure his oldest son's lineage continued because he didn't have children before he died. That's why Tamar married his next son. But their first child would've been counted as the oldest son's to ensure his lineage continued. The brother didn't like that and refused to get her pregnant and the Lord killed him. Thus the duty of continuing the Judah's oldest son's lineage fell to his youngest son. This also was the custom so that that the Tamar would be provided for. Most marriages were arranged anyways back then so this wasn't that strange.
After Judah's youngest son became of age Judah shirked his duty to both provide for Tamar and ensure his eldest son's lineage out of fear that the Lord would kill that son too. (The Lord struck down his oldest son because he was wicked). What Tamar did was take it apon herself to both provide for herself and ensure her first husband's lineage. So, Tamar and Judah both sinned by fornicating but she did it for somewhat honorable reasons to pick up Judah's slack. So when Judah went to lead the stoning of her for prostituting (with him) she showed that he was lacking in his duties and morals and was more righteous than he.
@@loganwallace5854 a bit mistaken here. His youngest son wasn't of age at any point in this story. Tamar assumed that Jacob wasn't going to allow his youngest to be married to her. This was her reasoning for deceiving Jacob. They were both in the wrong but Jacob says that she was more righteous than him. So the assumption here is that Jacob knew he didn't betroth his youngest son to Tamar as he was afraid he too will be killed. But they both are wrong for what they did. Who knows if Tamar even cared for any of Jacob's children. If she was married to one of them is all she wanted. Key part here is that Jacob's youngest son wasn't of age to get married throughout the story but it is revealed that Jacob's only reason was probably that he was afraid his son would be killed for the same reasons.
@@TheFergo911 When Judah met Tamar and thought she was a prostitute, she saw that the youngest son was grown and wasn't given to her to marry as Judah had promised her. She had her grieving veil own and he came and asked to sleep with her. He acknowledged that he reneged on his promise to to her.
Michelle starts by saying these stories have historical context. Proceeds to not include any of the cultural or historical context for the stories. JOE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ON TH E SHOW WHO ACTUALLY CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDS THESE EVENTS/STORIES TOLD IN THE SCRIPTURES
Amen 🙏
I got paddled about once a week in school. I remember in third grade, I was sitting next to some kid who was really upset and I remember trying to comfort him by telling him how it wasn't so bad.
Her telling of the stories are incomplete, but Joe was smart to think there's layer to these complex plots
In the old testament it was Judah the son Jacob and the son begins the line of King David. Another element of this line is Lot who had Moab through incest with his daughter. Ruth is a direct descendant and King David is a direct descendant of Ruth.
lol. If you’ve had 3 seconds of Bible study you know the story of David and the bastard child. She think really highly of herself
Aww someone butt hurt?
I love how SkyCunt god had babies bashed against rocks.
@@JetSkiSuper7 i forgot about that, and looks like they want to do the same
@@JetSkiSuper7 Found the angry queer preteen 💀💀
My thoughts exactly
The Bible can be rough because it has a lot of beautiful things to say but also stories that are not for the faint of heart. I remember setting out to read the whole Bible when I was 18 and I think I stopped a couple of books into it. The Old Testament is brutal. I ended up doing it again and actually finishing it. Proverbs, Psalms, Job, Ecclesiastes, all beautiful books with great wisdom and knowledge. I still struggle with faith and religion to this day. Show me a picture of an orangutan and I can’t help but see a distant relative. This life is very weird when you get into a deep thought about it lol anyways, hope y’all have a good day!
I agree and have had similar experiences. Initially couldn’t believe ecclesiastes was authored by the same as proverbs, well until the end of course, but we all have doubts and struggles of faith (some more than others) but I want to encourage you to listen to that tugging on your heart saying “yes I AM real” for surely He is. B blessed
@@Dayzthoseweres Thank you! Hey if there’s anything that gets me closer to believing, it’s watching the news haha this world is clearly fallen.
@@LRM5195 you ain’t lying lol, bible prophecies unfolding before us, hard to discern which ones tho as john wrote in revelations things seen both in the physical and spiritual realm… hope to meet u someday upstairs and we can both say with relief WE MADE IT!
The point of king David’s story is that God holds accountable even his favorite- that he expects those he’s blessed to do good - it shows that God holds them accountable for their mistakes - he goes on forsake David
I wonder what would happen if Joe and his friends tried to deconstruct quran or bagawad gita? Just wondering.
Quran? they would be killed by deranged zealots
I am an Arab and a Muslim and I can't deconstruct Quran or explain it you.. Simply because the Arabic used in the Quran is of a very high level.. Kinda like Shakespearean English.. Even though Americans and British read and right English doesn't give the the necessary knowledge to understand or explain Shakespeares works... Similarly, the "Ulama" or Muslim scholars have to go through alot and all of them are a Hafiz meaning fully memorised the Quran and whole bunch of hadiths... Hope that answers your question...
@@truelies5431You missed his point. He's saying people aren't allowed to question the stories in the Quran, and if Joe and this woman sat around, smoking cigars, saying how ridiculous some stories are in the Quran like they do in the Bible, Muslims would be outraged. Have you not noticed how it's perfectly acceptable to openly question & mock the Christian faith, but not any other religions?
@@cdburner2548Wanna make a Muslim angry? Ask them how old Mohammed's youngest wife was.
@@cdburner2548 thank you for taking time to reply... But yes I do get his point and explained why you shouldn't be doing that and why it is considered disrespectful to the people who actually put in all the work and effort.. Ask any Muslim people what they do to get their questions about quran or religion answered.. And that's how we do it... If you guys disrespect your own traditions... That's in you... We Muslims still have to respect Jesus and his followers.. And still disrespecting your belief doesn't give you the right to do the same to others
“ I read the Bible when I was 8 years old, cover to cover, you’re not gonna believe how much it gets wrong."
Gets wrong about what
@@GoemonLovesFujiko I think they are joking, implying someone who read the Bible at 8 really isn't old enough yet to understand everything...
@@victorbennett5414 no one at any age is capable. Especially without a 160+ IQ. Period. 99% of the population will never be able to fully unpack a single sentence of scripture if they spent their entire lives on it.
She didn't say that most of this stuff is wrong
The story of David and Bathsheba was taught on frequently and preached on often enough by our pastor when i was growing up. Christians know these stories very well.
Plus there is a Richard Gere film about it (underwhelming by the way), and a Leonard Cohen song covered by numerous people including in a Simon Cowell show...
It’s not just about the downfall of even the mightiest- it’s also about being redeemed and how those who are truly repentant can be forgiven of even the most vile sins
One of the most frightening stories is the story of Job.
The Devil has a meeting with God, and God declares Job without fault, and sinless, the devil says “let me take his health away, his family, and all his belongings, and he will curse you then”
This story is a sorta microcosm of my life story
I lost everyone I truly loved : my wife to another man, my father (he was my best friend) to murder
My 2 best friends, and the love of life, fiancé, to suicide.
Job ends up suffering beyond belief physically also (soars head to foot, insomnia)
Job ends up in the end getting a lesson from God, which is very interesting to read, and having an even larger family and an even happier and extended life, that has not happened to me yet and it probably won’t
It is where Satan changes the challenge from Job to all mankind.
@@JasonlaroseLaRose 😭
@@JasonlaroseLaRose also, I do know people that went through a lot more than me and I am great full for everyday that I have.
It hasn’t happened to you yet and it probably we’ll never but you know what is a man with everything in the world he’s just a man nothing special about him.
I've noticed when things promised to me by "G-D" and I'm talking about rewarding things was because my pride was getting in the way. In the end I found out that puffing up my pride was my reward to myself for myself. I should have remain faithful and kept things hush till I noticed the marvelous gifts for my deeds and faith and that alone would be my testament or like the say + the obvious would speak louder about my faith than me puffing it up with words. Sorry if it sounded distorted but tried my best to speak of my own experiences and lessons without getting too serious about my self. Little s self.
This is in veggie tails 😂
100 Percent! lol great comment.
The one with the rubber ducky. I'm not sure why she thinks it's some secret controversial story.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 🤣 that's awesome. I totally agree. Sunday school stuff. I wonder why It was so weird to talk about like it couldn't be talked about. It's definitely talked about. This is a cake walk compared to some other biblical stories I've done sermons on.
Emojis are gay
The David story is beautiful and heartbreaking and important
Kinda makes me wonder … are there any bible-study classes that don’t interpret the bible’s message for the faithful, but for those wanting to know the context as to which book was written by who, and when, and the situation at the time. More of a historical approach vs. religious.
As a non-practicing Catholic I found this interview fascinating.
Why would the Old Testament authors include such embarrassing details with no “happy endings” in each book? It describes the constant failures and sin from Israel’s leaders, to prove the point that no man can conquer sin, we all need a savior. The Bible states this from the very beginning with Adam’s fall followed by God foreshadowing the need for a new Adam (Jesus) as God promised in Genesis 3 someone from Eve’s offspring would conquer the serpent and redeem mankind. All of it points to Christ.
That was like listening to children talk about their fathers job.
Jesus isn't going to redeem mankind, as for the last 2000+ year's a vast part of mankind neither needs or requires his assistance.
Genesis 6 other sons exist so John 3 16 lied
Amen, Brother.
The Old Testament is based on the Jewish Torah and was written in Hebrew. So no it doesn’t all point to Christ.
Thought they were going to talk about an actual "Dark Bible".
Same, like some possibly real almost definitely fake old relic you can only find on the “deep web”
Like from evil dead
Deep web? Man, its in most hidden crypts in the vatican catacombs guarded by the devil himself..
“I read the whole Bible when I was 8..” so much people who don’t comprehend and understand the Bible but, think they know more than those who actually study it. These are well known stories that have been taught and explained. There’s no contradictions.
What all of these histories in the bible continues to confirm for me is that although God gave man free will, Gods plan very rarely deviates and if your "free will" is messing with Gods plan you will see how your free will ends immediately.
I'm glad you watermarked joe rogan's video. Wouldn't want people thinking joe rogan made the video or something
The thumbnail using a page from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Lol
It had a nice ending too, because the ghost got to move on to the afterlife. She was brutally murdered and a priest helped find her killer. He ended up giving the money she left behind to the church, at her request. Some ghosts just want someone to listen to them.
I was wondering where I had seen that pic. Thanks!
Thank you this is the comment I was looking for. I couldn't remember the name of that book.I remember when I was in elementary school that picture scared the crap out of me.
Something Joe says toward the end really applies - when you are reading the Bible (or really any literature) you have to apply a “filter” or lens. If you only view the Bible as teaching moral lessons, you will often miss the meaning. A better question to ask is “what is this teaching about Who God is?” God did not instruct David to sin w Bathsheba, nor Judah to sleep with his daughter in law, but that is what happened. It is recording these incidents as historical narrative - people of God living, making mistakes, and often suffering consequences of turning, and blessings of living in relationship w God and his people.
The speaker somewhat downplays the genealogies, but the fact that BOTH stories are referenced in Matthew 1, the ancestry of Jesus, is extremely significant. The Bible is not trying to hide these incidents - rather highlighting them!
In that Matthew 1 text, 5 women appear listed in 42 name, which culturally was not done. Only men’s names were seen as significant at that time - but opposing Joe’s point, these women were highly valued and looked too as hero’s of the faith. Because the author references 4 scandalous women, who actually had faith in God through difficult situations, sets up the reader to expect, God has a history of working through what would seem like scandalous (yet faithful women). now there was this woman Mary - she was a virgin…
The two stores that are referenced are not necessarily well known today, but they are in no way hidden! They anchor the lineage of Christ in and amidst lots of sin and brokenness, and God’s faithfulness on display. It makes sense that Jesus would become the Savior for sinners - it’s in his blood. Thanks for reading
This lady thinks of the BIBLE as a twilight movie series 🧐🤨
What is left out is what the Lord did to punish David for this evil act. Part of the greater story here in my opinion is. No matter the blessings the Lord God may grant and give you as well as your importance in the God's plan. We are all human and sinners capable or good and evil. No matter how important to God plan you are or are not, we all fall short of what it takes to get into Heaven. God knows this and this is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins, so that we can experience and fill the Kingdom of Heaven.
what is spoken here is true. the Creator of the universe loves you and wants a personal friendship and bond. you don't have to stop doing anything or try to clean your life up first. Jesus wants you as you are now. he will lead you down the path and you will be changed by his Holy Spirit. when you feel the pull on your heart answer the call. whosoever will can come freely.
God is the most evil person in Bible.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Nor have you read the Bible or understand the Bible. I would highly encourage you to do that
@@vaughnreedjr6592the only ones who are evil in the Bible are the humans God is the perfect Judge and gives the people what they really deserve
@@mmartista3803 tell us more about how babies getting cancer are evil and get what they deserve or how millions dying in earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanoes deserved it. You're a phychos for believing that..
I’m sorry this woman was brought up around a bunch of people that couldn’t help her understand the stories of the Bible. I’m 50 and have just recently became a Christian. I’ve heard of both of these stories because I’ve actually read the Bible. I enjoy hearing different people have different perspectives on the same story. It’s what makes us interesting as humans.
Jerry, tell me to my face that your SkyCunt god will burn me and see what happens.
David is immoral in the Bible while he's a messenger of god in the quran and is very ethical unlike the Bible version.
Not true the Bible clearly condones slavery as a perfect moral practice .
In clearly describes it as slavery in Exodus 21 and gives rules and conditions on how Jews can own slaves and how they can own fellow Jews as slaves by driving a spike through their ear to mark them as property .
Also In Leviticus God says "if a man lay with a man like he lay with a women he shall be put to death and his blood is on his own hands "
Clear as day !!
Also to stone to death unruly children and women who cheat on their husbands .
The Bible condoning murder and sitting it's own laws in place that it Deems morally acceptable .
The term they use is slavery so Christian apologist have a hard time getting around it .
Also it doesn't explain after God delivered mosses to the supposed promise land he then orders Moses and the Jews to slaughter the amolokites and amedenites and to take the women and children for themselves as slaves and to capture and take what's their and go to war with the neighboring nations around them .
I love how they take the stories out of context a true testimony of do your own reading so you are not feed bullshit 😊
It's a psychological story that helps us to discern about our own choices in life --- many lives
You can not call your self cultured without reading the best selling book of all time.
But free
Diary of Anne Frank?
There is a reason why seminary students (at least in most evangelical seminaries) are required to study Hebrew, ancient cultures, language forms, etc. There is a cultural context that must be understood. And these things are not hidden from anyone; are commonly discussed in most churches, and if someone hasn't heard them, then one ought to question what sort of church you have been attending.
Every story has a meaning in the Bible. It also shows you that not even God takes away the life consequences of your actions but He shows you mercy!
The Bible doesn’t say she was on the roof, it says he was on the roof and saw her bathing.
If these stories were from random scrolls found in Egypt,
Joe would be marveling at how Humans were just as crazy back then as we are today.. but since they came from the Bible, he acts like we have to be careful when reading them 😂
Right! If someone said that they found these stories on a metal tablet on the moon he'd believe it.
The Bible is the word of God. You should be careful when reading it. There is no comparison between THE BIBLE and "random scrolls."
@@SalvableRuinare you out of your mind where do you think the Bible comes from😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeremyhodges7956the Bible isn’t from random scrolls, it’s literally diaries of people who met Jesus or were directly contracted by God. They aren’t random scrolls just found laying around😂, you’re an idiot.
100 percent
Always love hearing "women most affected" thrown into any random story like this.
I know! lol Oh the patriarchy!!!
why would you want to start shit? isn't the stupid men vs women war bad enough?
@@Dandelion560 My point exactly 👍
They always are in shock & dismay over It condoning slavery (BONDSERVANTS paying a debt owed to people with their service & were freed after 7 years unless they chose to stay as a beloved part of that family) leaving out how God disapproves of harsh evil American slavery.
That is earth life folks. God is love and he is working with flesh and blood people down here on earth. Understand.
I grew up in church and the only stories that weren't taught were 2 in i think Judges. The first is were a crowd demanded that a stranger in town be given to them so they could rape him, but the man hosting the stranger instead gave them his female servant. So they beat and gang raped the girl and afterwards, she crawls back to her masters house and dies outside his front door. If i remember right, this starts a big conflict where cities go to war with one another. The second is when a man prays to God for victory in battle and promises to sacrifice the first thing that approaches him when he gets home. So after the fight his daughter who is his only child is the first to approach him. He then lets his daughter go and grieve her virginity on a mountain with her friends for a time, and when she returns he sacrifices her.
That first one is essentially a representation of the historicity of God separating himself from Israel. The woman being raped by strangers and then murdered by her master (literally dismembered and her parts sent across all of Israel) is one of the strongest examples of how far the culture had fallen at the time, "that such a thing could happen here" is basically what everyone's response was, which is why conflict arose from it. The heaviest aspect of it being that the woman's master had become so callous that he didn't just let her die on his doorstep, he disrespected her corpse and let everyone else know about it. It was one of the ultimate examples of the fall from grace at that time in the nation's history.
I was expecting the story of Jepthah's daughter as well. I think that is one of the most terrifying stories in the Bible. What an ignorant deal to make!
First story sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah
Rotting woman in the thumbnail is from Scary Stories to tell in the dark. That book creeped me out when i was like 13.
I miss that book series!!
The Toe Lady! Literally wearing a shirt with the same illustration rn 🤣
I thought I was the only one who noticed. We friends now
I’m an adult and it still gives me the creeps. That ghost lady was horrifying, but at least she ended up a good guy.
Being from LOS ANGELES, I still don’t get how people live in SAN FRANCISCO lol it doesn’t seem real like the whole city looks like a Sitcom
It blows my mind today How many people complain about the bible and yet have very little clue as to what is actually written in it. It's not a rule book or a whole bunch of different holier than now People period it is filled with concepts and problems that we still have to.Day period the Bible is giving us direction on how to avoid those mistakes.
That "scary stories to tell in the dark" book in the thumbnail used to scare the crap out of me when i was a kid 😱
That story is about Judah, the son of Jacob who became known as Israel. Rehab and Ruth are also in the line of Christ. There IS a message in that, at least, I have found one for me.
So what is the message?
When they wrote the Bible, slavery was a kindness because the alternative was being slaughtered out right.
What dose she know about king David and Solomon’s temple ?
she asks Joe if he's read the whole Bible. He says yes, but later admits no. Most people are like this. They've read 1% but will lie to you and say they've read 100%. Unlike Joe, most of the people I talk to will dig in and defend the lie. What good does that do? You want to retain your ideas not based in reality? (1) Read the whole thing for yourself. Not that hard. Sure, it's a long work, but not that long. Or (2) trust me when I tell you where you're wrong. Don't like that? See (1).
If you go to Sunday school you hear all the stories of David…..come on now😂🤣😂
I know, what's with the both of them? Joe acts like he was forced to learn about Christianity in school. In the 70's in Florida? huh? He must have gone to a Christian private school. If that were the case, an opportunity most kids didn't have; and it appears none of it stuck.
Right on. It’s sometimes surprising how little westerners know about the Bible. Then again, I know that most people barely read anything at all.
@@michaelrobertson1736 There is no universal experience of “westerners” when it comes to these things. If you are trying to say Americans then just say it.
"The editors cut"?😂 Now we gotta wait for dvd commentary.✌️
The fact that these stories are still in the Bible, speaks of its honesty. And if it’s honest in the foul sounding aspects, why shouldn’t be honest in the good aspects?
I can’t explain why, but it’s weird to be discussing the Bible and smoking cigars.
I can explain why. You were conditioned...
No, it isn't weird, and I CAN explain why--you are imposing your cultural view of smoking as "bad" or "rebellious" onto the situation. What if they were drinking alcohol while discussing the Bible? What if it was beer? Whiskey? How about wine? Is wine better, since the Bible discusses wine more often, or do you associate religion with "lack of alcohol"? The Bible doesn't forbid smoking or drinking. It permits drinking and forbids alcoholism (or excessive drunkenness). Smoking is not mentioned.
Why? This comment makes no sense.
@@SalvableRuin because its cringe af
@@merbalee don’t be obtuse because you don’t like the question.
They are talking about these stories from the Bible like they are trying to make fun of or make the Bible look bad. God hates sin. These stories are in the Bible because they really happened and the Lord is trying to teach us lessons from other peoples mistakes. Just because it’s in the Bible doesn’t mean that God condones this bad behavior. They are historical facts that teach.
Really? Why are you following stories written by piss drinking desert people that couldn't explain the sun?
They're simply chatting in a relaxed atmosphere. I just don't get why Christians have to turn everything into a drama & then suggest we need lessons in life from this singular view point.
Because she misled people either through ignorance or willful deception, that's why.@@johnmichaelson9173
@@johnmichaelson9173exactly!
They are not making fun, they are enthusiastic and interested
The story you referenced about King David is about repentance and forgiveness. God used many people throughout the Bible who were imperfect because we all are sinners. Becoming a believer in Christ doesn’t mean we will no longer sin. Only Christ could live a perfect life. God’s grace and mercy is new each and every day if we repent of our sins. We may still suffer consequences here on earth for those actions despite being forgiven. It’s important to note that we grow as Christians and God promises to continue working with us as we grow in our faith. David repented, but still suffered earthly consequences.
The first time I went to Sunday School was when I was visiting relatives for a wedding. The story for that Sunday?
Abraham being commanded by God to make a human sacrifice of his son Isaac.
And what did you gleen from the story?
@@justonetime112 Now I know it was a test for the great patriarch but back then I took it as a brutal bronze age story, even when the angel stopped him.
God was giving Abraham a living image of how horrible the sacrifice of one's own Son is. The death of God's Son was necessary to pay for our sins...
@@justonetime112It's about how Abraham abandoned child sacrifice which was a common feature of Middle Eastern religions at the time
Joe be playing "from Boston" card when in reality he from and has lived everywhere
He's said plenty of times he moved around a lot
He has zero Boston voice to him. If lived there must’ve been a far off Suburb and for a few years. Guys like all under 5-8 men. Small man syndrome
He does play up “I’m from Boston” a lot though
Making a record of crazy things that happened in the Bible is a lot different than condoning those things.
Next time i pull out ill refer to it as "spilling my seed on the ground" 😂😂
The Torah (The first five Books of Moses) are the only books proposed to have been written with direct dictation from God.
Did he slam those down out of anger as well?
Said who? YouknowwhatIamsaying…
@Joefest99 ok 🤡
Repent and believe in our Lord Jesus Christ
I was taught that the people in these stories knew that they had to preserve and continue the boodline of the Messiah. So, like with David, he knew he was supposed to have a child with Bathsheba but was punished because he took matters into his own hands instead of waiting for God to arrange things.)
The story of Judah and Tamar is about Judah recognizing that she was more righteous than he was.
The entire family (all the way from Abraham), had a long history of deception. Judah was the brother who suggested that they sell their brother Joseph into slavery rather than killing him.
After this event with Tamar, the story picks up in Egypt, where Jospeh becomes the 2nd highest official in the land. When Joseph's brothers went to Egypt during a famine to find food for their family, they didn't recognize their brother Joseph. Joseph tried to frame his brothers, but Judah (after this story with Tamar took responsibility for his brothers. The incident sith Tamar, changed him. It humbled him into being a man who took responsibility.
It's a deeply complex story, but it is there for anyone to read.
Joe blowing smoke in her face 🤣🤣🤣
Another interesting thing, in the old days men didn't ask for "permission " to get laid
I never hear people talking about contradictions in the Bible ever expand on that
Because when they expand their argument it falls apart.
What we can learn from BOTH of these stories is that God can make good things happen from the bad choices of imperfect people.
Who hasn’t heard of this
She read the "Lil' Bastard's" version of the Bible.
I know; she read the whole bible cover to cover when she was 8. She obviously didn't read the part about lying.
The Bible shows every aspect of life . Nothing is left out . And teaches us what to do , and what
not do . Most importantly is how to be
saved.
Anyone who claims the Bible contradicts itself hasn't bothered to study the thing any deeper than a modern surface level.
Can confirm: 1988 Florida.
Principles still had paddles.
We need them paddles back
I was in HS in GA in 88/89 and got paddled for not getting a failing test grade signed by my parents.
Went to grade school in Orlando, no licks. Middle school in Texas lots of corporal punishment. Believe it is still legal there.
The Bible never contradicts itself.
Anyone who leads people away from Christ will be held accountable.
It's hard to teach a man that cant experience humility momentarily so thy can learn for thier eternity
This is how you know she grow up in a cult.
Dude put a photo from scary stories to tell in the dark as a cover photo for the vid
"This one's taught a little bit." Yes...if by a little you mean a lot.
Bible's got it all: sex, drugs, murder, and most importantly...redemption.
I tried reading the Bible cover to cover while in jail. Up to 5 hours a day for 6 months (still couldn’t finish) She didn’t do it at 8.
The story of Bathsheba is pretty well known for anyone who has spent enough time in church. It's a lesson teaching that even the beloved King David can fall to sin, and he was punished accordingly.
Nathan calls David out for this behavior .... she has no idea what she is talking bout ... the Bible doesn't hide the flaws of its heroes ... this woman has no idea what she is talking bout
Thanks. You know her type. She will hear her story again at Judgement
She's got a very witchy vibe about her. These stories are some of the most well known. Especially about David and the story of how lust wrecks lives.
The Bible never condoned slavery. It mentioned that it existed a number of times and said that if you happen to be a slave you should be good to your master.
That "dirty David" part really got me 😂😂😂
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