Southwest flight nearly hits LaGuardia ATC tower. FAA is now investigating | NBC New York
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2024
- Federal officials are investigating a Southwest Airlines flight that veered off course and flew close to the air traffic control tower at LaGuardia Airport last month. NBC New York's Andrew Siff reports.
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The news is killing it. That was a compelling interview. "I'm really glad nothing bad happened."
I like chocolate.
"Pardon me, I know you're a completely random person getting her bags off a carousel but would you mind terribly if I strongly insinuated that you were both an expert *and* a passenger on the plane in question?"
Lmao! 😂😂
The video was riveting, too.
For more on this story, we go to a man who must know what he's talking about because he's standing inside the airport.
👍😂
Straight out an Onion News Broadcast
As we get older we realize how phony this stuff is.
Permission to buzz the tower ?
Negative ghostrider the pattern is full 🤣😂
I want some Butts!
PERMISSION DENIED!!!
I SAID DEENNNIIIEEEEDDDD!!!!!!!
"I want some butts!"
@@CCROGGY lol
Man, in the 80s and 90s planes were falling out of the sky and crashing all the time. There’s been some near misses of late, but things aren’t nearly as bad as they used to be.
Yea true i remember US Air crashing 737s like every month back in the day.
@@tommyboy8742 Every 20 minutes. I always carried an umbrella, just in case.
True.
Maybe because it’s so infrequent now that each instance makes the news. Hundreds of car crashes happen but nobody cares
😂😂😂😂 oh brother
The pilot is no longer free to move about the country. 😂
@@TheDogGoesWoof69or regular Caucasian male with mental health issues. Lmfaoo like most terrorists and mass shooters. 🤡🤡🤡🤮
out*
@@TheDogGoesWoof69oh look, a bigot who's not brave enough to directly say they hate people needlessly and so hides behind this type of unfounded conspiracy bs to hide that they just want to hate on women, people of colour, and the gays.
TheDogGoesWoof69 thank you for exposing yourselves by letting us know that you are the bloodline of the same looters and plunderers from what today is Europe.. who invaded, tresspassed and usurped the life and properties of everyone else everywhere.
(I am not from Divided States of Murixa, nor would EVER be in North America and cannot care less about the state of things there. But still had to make a point here. The point being, neither did your murd erous, ra pist ancestors 'belonged' to the lands which you have convinced yourselves to be yours.)
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 It's known for decades that ILS also provide false signals. In such bad weather and visibility, a pilot has no other navigational mean but the ILS signals, so it may not necessarily be a pilot error. We can't know for sure what really happened there until the investigation report is out.
As I used to say before I retired as an ATC, when someone asked me if It scared me that something bad might happen, I would reply, "Nah, they hardly ever hit the tower."
😅
Retired ATC here too. I was in a crash on Southwest. Ended up being pilot error. They are a risky airline to fly after what I found out.
@@dreamcatcher5502 do tell? They have a pretty good record as far as actual incidents.
I'm just glad to hear those passengers being interviewed, not whining after the plane have to abort landing and go around a few times and just grateful that they landed safely.
They were just random passengers at LaGuardia! The plane landed in Baltimore.
Male controller: Umm what was the reason for the turnaround?
Female controller: Look up.
Couldn't see. Visibility was bad.
Tire marks on the tower roof
Transgender controller: Guess which hole I farted from?
Non-Binary controller: Your mouth hole?
"Honey? Where's that plane that you were telling me we still had one of?"
Ofc they interview passengers like they have any idea as to what the balls is going on or what happened. "im just happy that nothing happened" ok so is everyone else, tell me something new NEWS.
You’d think it can’t get worse than landing at LaGuardia until you’re diverted to Baltimore
"You're going to prison for the rest of your life but at least you're not doing it in Baltimore."
"Why do you think I didn't fight extradition?"
Strange how people rag on an airport. It's an airport. 😂
LGA is actually a lot nicer now especially Deltas Terminal C
LaGuardia is literally so beautiful now, did you not see the renovations? It’s definitely top 3 airports in the US now.
Imagine being so embarassed that you reroute to another airport 200 miles away
Wrong assumption. Airlines fly under FAR 121 (regulations) that have rules on alternates. Also, it's common practice that after two approaches at an airport, to go somewhere else. Embarrassment has nothing to do with it. You get today's troll award...
@@edcew8236 You're fun
@@BuIIet He's also correct.
☝️🤓
@@BuIIetsome people have issues being able to pick up on jokes or intent -- there're specific disabilities that make it considerably harder
His information was useful tho, it could have been worded a bit better if he got a joke tho.
"they could see the bottom of the plane as it passed" Well duh , What would you be expecting the roof?? 😂
What makes it worse is, that its the controller that calls for the goaround to save the situation.
It should have been very clear for the pilots way before .
They were not stabilised and the criteria for a continued approach was not present
one would think 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I’m sure the passengers who watched the plane nearly land twice were pretty shocked to hear they were going to Baltimore
Watch Top Gun too many times, pilot: “tower, request fly by”.
I do wonder how they got close to the tower because if they were doing an instrument approach, they should have been lined up on the runway.
That's what I was thinking.
Imagine flying to New York only to end up in baltimore.😢
Thats like flying to chicago and ending up in gary indiana 💀
@@harrisonc985that was a random ass example LMAOOO
HELP😂
@@bellagoth144 look up gary airport. its the most pathetic chicago area airport
@@harrisonc985 I’m laughing at the name Gary😭
No matter how many go-arounds, how many diverts, how hectic the process or bouncy the landing: Anytime you end up with a landing you can walk away from - it was a good landing. Even if it was at a different airport than originally planned.
I am a Dunning-Kruger idiot but I love ATC chatter and, unless I've been accidentally cherry-picking, I'm not familiar with the custom of asking pilots the reason for their go-arounds. This seems like a really, really, REALLY bad idea, since it dis-incentivizes go-arounds.
@@CinemaDemocratica It isn't necessarily customary to ask because the reason for rejected approaches and landings are usually evident and oftentimes required by ATC for spacing or other considerations. In cases such as this it is an investigatory request to determine if there is a problem such as windshear that needs to be relayed to other arrivals, or if there is a violation that should be addressed after landing. So, while it is not common, it is also not completely unusual. LaGuardia controllers are also not the best in the business. There has always been a lot of corruption and maniacal egos in that tower. It would not surprise me if an investigation reveals that ATC was somehow complicit in this incident.
She pulled his tail feathers.
@@nomasknoway9903thanks!
@nomasknoway9903
This is quite an unfounded charge of ATC complicity--your personal experience (how long ago?) flying into there behind an L1011 obviously is clouding your judgment
I don't understand how it happens with ILS and the navigation software.
The loss of separation between the airliner and the FAA tower has nothing to do with extremely low visibility. Commercial airline pilots navigate based upon GPS coordinates until a few hundred feet above the runway, not line of sight. I know, because as an instrument-rated private pilot, I fly in low visibility conditions. So don't blame climate change. Blame bad piloting. The lateral deviation began miles before the runway. Furthermore, lack of clear skies does not impair instrument readings. Bad piloting impairs instrument readings. NBC is lying and eventually we'll find out why.
Hey just wanted to say thank you , it’s hard to get an accurate perspective of this situation , and yes I do think that commercial pilots are getting worse over time , because of the high demand for pilots , the over reliance on technology which results in pilots not practicing enough "hands on " flying. I feel like commercializing aviation is also causing this , because the more airlines expand , the more they fly , the more likely they are to pick unqualified people to fly , as result of demand
This is why aircraft have visibility minimums for landing. That said, I wonder why they were so far off their alignment with the runway.
That's what I don't understand.
Exactly. The PILOT should have initiated the go around, not the controller. 🤦♀️
Southwest has an option to pay an extra $10 and they pair you with a safer pilot. This flight must have had alot of budget flyers
For an extra $100 Spirit would get you a licensed pilot.
let's see the security video!
Port Authority almost finished building the airport this pilot was about to make them rebuild it again 😮
There are many unique and challenging things about that particular approach to that particular runway. Obstacles, no autopilot allowed, wind effects, limited runway length, crossing traffic.
. . . ATC towers . . .
@@SusanKay- 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the information.
Definitely feels sketchy as a passenger too. Swear I almost landed on a home depot before...
New York's airspace in general seems like a cluster. There've been a lot of near misses recently, too, even on the ground.
Okay? Where is the dangerously close? I hate how the media takes anything in aviation and turns it into a bad thing. You know why people are scared to fly? It's because of the misinformation from "experts" who don't even know what a missed approach is.
It was 67 feet according to the cbs article
@@fileoffish9395 I definitely want to see the data on that. Do you know where they got that data?
@@benderandownz I downloaded the flight data from ADS-B and the corrected GPS data show that they got down to 47 meters MSL (154 feet MSL) over a Queens neighborhood. Street level there is 27 feet MSL. So they were 127 feet over street level and about 100 feet over rooftop level over Queens. Corrected barometric data from ADS-B show a similar minimum altitude. The 67 foot thing being reported by the media is probably the uncorrected minimum altitude over Queens minus the tower height. They were already climbing through 700 feet when they were abeam the tower. So they were about 500 feet above the tower and 300 feet laterally at the closest point.
@igclapp wow, thanks! So if that's the case, then it really wasn't dangerously close to the tower, lol.
But, aren't they supposed to be above the *runway* and not the tower, whatever the altitude?
It HAS been very windy down here today, including a tornado watch yesterday morning, but still. You'd think a pilot would make adjustments and changes for these westher conditions and use tbe tower for guidance if there was doubt.
This was a month ago
Pilot was planning to ask the tower for guidance in person
@@XIIchiron78 😅
Planes falling apart in the sky and jets buzzing the tower, remember when things like this didn't happen?
been happening since the beginning of air transport
eh not really, it's kinda always been like that one way or another.
Pilots know what the weather is and what it’s doing!!!!!! They knew the wind they knew there ground speed!
I understand exiling the pilot to Baltimore but why do the passengers need to be punished?
It sounds to me like the airport should've ceased the arrivals and departures in the first place.
wow! they have gps maps on the pfd, how does this happen? plus forflight on the ipad.
What is going on?
kids gonna blame it on boeing
What crazier is the pilot questioning the controller. Like??? Be lucky that it wasn’t a accident and all of a sudden you a spirit BOO
Perfectly legitimate to question the go around AFTER the go around - which is what he did. He did not question the order when he got it - he followed instruction.
That wasn’t the pilot questioning it was the first controller
The plane got about 100 feet over the rooftops in Queens! 😮
I grew up and lived in Queens and to this day as an adult, I still have nightmares, thinking a plane is going to crash on our heads. I moved out of NYC.
Now you have to drive a hundred miles to catch a flight.
I'm loosing faith in flying more and more everyday. I used to feel like the US was such a safe country for air travel, but it seems more and more extremely dangerous incidents keep happening.
you're hearing about 1 example out of the millions of flights per year. They're only gonna report the close calls/accidents, nobody cares about the millions of uneventful flights.
I don’t entirely blame the pilots, the wind here has been extremely strong the last few weeks, especially in the afternoon to late evening.
They still have ILS which would have told them they were off alignment from the runway. No excuse to be that far off.
@@patricktrimble7954Actually ILS Runway 4 it's different. They had low visibility and wind shear conditions. Most of the time pilots use autopilot until the have both the glideslope and localizer to then land using the ILS. This isn't authorized for RWY 4. It isnt because a hotel gets the way as stated by the FAA of the glideslope. The tower likely got a low altitude alert or more likely just saw them on their radar. LGA is also an airport surrounded by water and had low visibility with bad weather. That plane would've sheered through most of that airport and not just that tower.
What did the last METARs and TAFs say?
@@patricktrimble7954 There's a plane that almost landed in a field near CDG because ATC gave them wrong altimeter settings
Why were they landing with a tailwind? Landing on Runway 4 with a tailwind means the winds were (approximately) south-southwesterly. So why weren’t they using Runway 22 instead?
Why the does Air Traffic Radio still sound like crap?
“Sorry Goose, but it’s time to buzz the tower.”
Your instruments are right….it wasn’t the plane !
When did this happen? The worst wind and visibility I saw was the 3rd at 18:51:
03 18:51 E 23 G 33 1.00 FEW006 BKN007 OVC018
Winds were pretty much NE to E, so no tail wind on rwy04 as the pilot claim on the first go around. The reason for second go around from the twr should’ve showed on the pilots instruments, that far off course should’ve been at least one tick on the CDI.
Wow. Looking forward to the @MentourPilot analysis on this one.
Scary
It’s always either Southwest, Spririt or Frontier with these stories.
Scary hearing DEI talk on air traffic control.
“He was like, not lined up with the runway thingy”. 😵💫
got buzzed by a separate Southwest flight while flying American Airlines the other day
This is a week old….
Way to keep us up to date!!!
Glad to see Maverick still flying, good for him. Go Capt. Mitchell!
Not today......
Pilot just watched Top Gun...and decided.."Time to buzz the tower".
Notice how ATCs get excited when their life’s are on the line? Hmmm.
Someone is working overtime to turn commercial aviation into general aviation. It's like a rodeo over American skies.
Retired airline pilot here who has flown into and out of LGA hundreds of times. The airport is as safe and well handled by ATC as any other airport in the country. Could the problem have had something to do with DEI ?
Yikes 😬
We were having some strong winds the past few days as a large storm blew in from the west and then from the northwest. Is it possible they just got blown off course?
@@Lv-nq9qz
No.
Yes, weather was bad.
Notice they had already gone around once,and so had jet blue.
They were way off the localizer on the 3rd approach.
The tower is a very long way off to the right of runway 4.
@@tomsage653 The air traffic controllers report on this incident excluded pilot deviation. Meaning they don't think it was pilot error. Also that report mention that ATCs have not received any low altitude alert for the SW plane. This hints toward an issue related to the airport instrumentation.
Also, since 2008 a building is jamming the localizer signals. It's a known fact, documented and aknowledged by FAA.
@@andreea007
Thanks for the updated report.
My comment was is ref to the original news article.
I’ve been retired a long time, but I actually liked LGA. Especially the expressway visual to rwy 31.
Sometimes on foggy days when LGA was using an ILS to rwy 13, people would congregated on top of the World Trade Center buildings and watch the planes decend from the clear sky, where they were, into the fog.
We just saw the roofs with people suspended above the clouds.
The fact we hear about these incidents and the FFA makes changes to make flying safer is a testament to the geral safety of flying. I am side eyeing boeing pretty hard right now....im also judging the higher ups taking lots of $$ and forcing the workers below them to cut too many corners.....
My father told us about a flight back to Denvers Stapleton airport
From a business trip in Dallas around 1979. As they approached
For landing his plane suddenly
Aborted landing 150 ft from runway. He looks out his window only to see another plane on their
Runway just waiting to take off! A
Close call for him.
how was this possible? jammed ils? visual?
How many hours did that pilot have? That's what I wanna know...
Sounded like a training flight… that approach is hand flown and they lost the localizer.
You need at least 2000 hours (500 hours being jet time) before you can even think of applying to southwest. By the time you apply to Southwest, you’d have all types of flying licenses including the highest, the Airline Transport Pilot license.
@@PilotTG funny i know numerous people who in the last 12 months get picked at WN with dripping wet types from regionals… and that experience is starting to show… unless you’d like to share why they blew through the localizer on a hand flown approach??
@@PilotTGYou mean *certificate* 🤪
I thought you'd want to know why LaGuardia's localizer doesn't work properly...
New York craziness is spreading into the air too! Glad everyone in that flight landed safely.
So, why were they diverted? It makes no sense why all those passengers were inconvenienced.
1:39 One "L" or two?
I'm still not seeing the alleged close call.....
Southwest has a much higher percentage of "pilot action anomalies" than other airlines based on observation. I am not sure if there's verified statistics to support this observation......I began noticing the trend way back in 2000 when flying frequently.
Pilot…….
Ladies and gentlemen we are about to experience some turbulence
That's not how you land at an airport!
That approach prohibits use of autopilot, and it must be hand flown, and with bad weather, it makes it a very very hard approach. "Autopilot couple approach Not Allowed"
Interesting. I've never flown this approach, so I had to look at the plate to confirm, and you are correct. This answers a lot of questions. I still find it crazy that they strayed so far off the localizer. Poor airmanship I suppose.
@@dave0351 yes, shoulda gone around and just divert or captain fly it
Apparently it's easier if you line up on the tower.
How hard is it to follow a flight director? The flight director shows exactly what it would be telling the autopilot to do if the autopilot were engaged.
"Yeah I'm pretty sure anything that happens in FSX multiplayer applies in real life" -AirForceProud95
What company planes were they flying?
Southwest flys exclusively 737s of various models.
@@XIIchiron78 thanks.
Wow!
I’d rather walk than go on SouthWest or Frontier.
Many pilots have problems with alcohol
Pilots are tired of rude controllers playing games and this is a simple way they can show them who is really in control of the controllers life.
What is going on lately? The heck!?
The pilots weren't comfortable until they had flown South and West, so the landed in Baltimore.
The data I saw suggested it was way below the tower, indeed tree top height with the wheels over the residential neighborhood. It could have been less than 1 second from total destruction. We need to see surveillance cameras because that could have been quite the sight. The pilots were really dropping the ball.
That was terrifyingly close, given that the controllers saw the underside of the plane!
If it had hit, controllers and equipment could have been taken out, leading to complete chaos for everything in that airspace.
Sounds like everyone did what they were supposed to do in that situation.
Not quite. You're not supposed to be 10 degrees off the localizer, 150 feet below baro minimums and 100 feet above rooftop level as you fly over a neighborhood in Queens.
@@igclapp It's likely that the airport's equipment experienced a temporary glitch and the localizer sent erroneous data to SW aircraft.
It is public knowledge that since they've built that hotel nearby, that localizer has become unreliable.
Air traffic report on the incident mention that ATC received no altitude alert for SW. They also have a field for "Possible pilot deviation" and they selected "No", which for me is quite telling.
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Isn’t it heartwarming??
Anyone remember the B-25 lost in the soup and Empire State Building
I don’t know how really serious this situation really got but after reading many of these comments I will never go to Baltimore. 😮
Second possible cyber attack in 2 weeks screwing with nav systems . The ship that hit the pole would not be the first ship to lose power to a hack . It happen in 2017.
oh you guys take it too far smh
@@johnster7161 maresk shipping got hacked in 2017 at least 2 ships lost power .
who was the pilot???
That’s not how it works. “It was as close as 67 feet.” No. At LGA, the airport elevation is around 20 feet. They need to land 😂. How are they going to land without going to 20 feet?
They never mention anything about visibility????
Why is pilot fired?
Why were they in flight
I hope that wasn’t Almost Captain Morgan’s flight.
Tis the season of airline problems
Wonder why they were diverted to Baltimore I believe Southwest has runways at Newark and Philadelphia. Must’ve really stunk to be on that flight and then had to find transportation from Baltimore!
Here is the problem weather and visibility and failed equipment
2:02 Looks like someone scored Brett Somers’ glasses at an estate sale.
Weather has been bad...
Airplanes go around all the time. And a plane that big looks closer than it is. Non story and no real information other than dramatic hyperbole.
That’s what I’m getting from this confusing report. BS and nothing much else.
Maverick was at the controls and the pattern was full.
Why don’t you do some real reporting and find out there is a three story motel they built in 2012 that interferes with the ILS signals and you have to hand fly the approach.
Not sure what you are saying, but if the ILS signal is interfered with auto pilot and hand flying would give you the same results. You make no sense.
faulty localizer signal or receiver
Earthquake just hit Jersey
They were sent to Baltimore??
Jasper, the promise land?
They needed to be punished
You could’ve watched it again if didn’t you hear it correctly the first time.
All flights have a nearby airport planned in case they can’t land at their destination due to weather. This was probably their planned alternate.
hankering for crab cakes
Jesus!
First time in NYC, Southwest?
and so starts a new wave of armchair pilots 'tsk tsk'-ing and hailing the death of air travel lol