"Don't fly yourself into a corner" is really good advice. When I am flying, I use the mantra, "Be the monkey". I had to explain this to one of my instructors. You are a monkey, swinging from branch to branch. You don't let go of one branch until you have the other one safely in your grasp. I employ this philosophy all the time when flying. It prevents me from "flying myself into a corner".
@@AndrewGrey22 - Indeed, however, I fly rotorcraft. I have the glide-ratio of a brick tied to a handkerchief. I also transit controlled airspace over a built-up area quite frequently and I am given a ceiling of no more than 2000ft AMSL. I plot my route such that I "be the monkey" and hop from green field to green field (some of those fields are just sports-fields but are more than enough area for me to put down safely). Given that I live in Scotland, I could also be flying over forests or very rugged terrain, and again, I plot my route such that in the event of a failure, I have somewhere safe to go.
Hey Josh! Small world! The plane you got a clip of holding short in VNY was N252SP the very plane I got my PPL in at VNY. Also, this exact route was the one I used for my check ride and long solo x-country. I planned it and flew it the exact way you mentioned in your de brief. The DPE even asked me why I chose the routing and because this exact thing…engine failure. Great video and I’m so happy you were able to experience the amazing VNY!
I love your humility, Josh! Showing us your mistakes helps everyone watching to be more aware of possible issues we could face and how to handle them! Your content and skills always shine in these videos. Keep up the great work and I also look forward to the next adventure with you guys!
All I wanna say is that I’ve been watching your channel for a LONG time since before you and your dad bought 80991. A combination of you, the Blue Angels, and my favorite airshow pilot Rob Holland inspired me to finally take my first flight lesson yesterday. And it was pretty gusty but I was comfortable the entire time. Winds were 232 at 10 gust 20. I was in the right seat and 12 years of flight simulator time for me really showed my instructor how confident I was. Even impressed him of how well I controlled the Skyhawk we were flying. I’ve been in watching your videos and taking notes. I hope to see you in the skies one day Josh.
So happy to see your upload schedule is increasing. Yours is truly one of the channels I eagerly await content. Love the instruction, love the safety discussions, and LOVE the adventures. Wishing you the best. From KRBD.
13:35 after landing at an airport in Logan West Virginia in the middle of hundreds of miles of nothing but mountains, I mentioned to a pilot at the airport that there aren't many options if you were to lose an engine. He said, "yup, lose an engine around here, and you're eating trees."
Mostly true. I've been into Logan several times. I live and fly WV regularly in a C175 and it's not terribly difficult to plan IFR (I fly roads and rivers) along with strip mines and the occasional farm fields. Altitude is your friend here. Doesn't eliminate the risk but it improves my odds and comfort. I had a mag issue last weekend that had me climbing and making direct for the OH river while I flew back to my home airport.
I sometimes flew over the similar route so I took the coastal route closer to Santa Barbara and turned inland toward Santa Maria to avoid the mountainous terrain. It only took a few minutes longer but it was a much safer choice
I remember it well when you said in a video maybe a year or so ago, that as a young inexperienced pilot you were always in the "killing zone". I remember those days too albeit that was in the mid 60s. I never thought about engine failure; at anytime. Crazy stuff. I rode right seat in a mooney to Cape Girardeau, MO back in 69 to ferry another Mooney back to Houston. I worked as an aircraft salesman for Cruise Aviation at Hobby at that time. The Mooney I flew back was not in the best condition and had no radios. The other Mooney took care of communications and I followed the other plane back to Houston and the last couple of hours was at night. In the "killing zone" from the time I left Missouri until I landed. And that's just one story. I have many that could have put me out of my misery. Can you imagine doing something as stupid as that in this day and time?
Josh, I’m glad you’re talking about what to do if your only engine fails. I had to deal with that in my single-engine aircraft 2-1/2 years ago. I was able to land in a field, was not injured, but my aircraft was a write-off. I was able to walk away from the scene only because I had plenty of altitude and visibility to select a suitable Le landing spot. Too many GA pilots do not survive this type of emergency. Since then, I have drastically altered my personal minimums in my flying. I would never fly over terrain such as you had below you on this video flight. Other considerations for me now are to fly in daylight hours only, to never fly over low IFR cloud conditions, and a few others. Keep these videos coming. You’re doing great work.
I could see by 19:50 that your approach was extremely precise and you were going to grease that landing. Nice job! And thanks for posting this and similar videos. They are VERY educational and help keep us safer in the air.
Some really good airmanship thoughts there. I especially like the don't just plan the air route, plan what you are flying over, and what to do in an emergency.
Great work, and I love the constant self-debrief. I send links to students then discuss various points... Your aeronautical experience becomes ours. I fly down in SD... Enjoy Socal!
Joshua you and your videos, are an inspiration for all GA pilots, both virtual and real life. I've been watching your videos since you were renting planes to fly. Keep the good work buddy!!!
My goodness, that glass panel! I got my privates in the mid 1980's in 152's & 172's. That kind of panel was reserved for F16's! lol. Took me many years and ratings before I flew glass like that! I still marvel at the panels on small Cessna's etc these days. BTW, talking about being a little uncomfortable in a SE coming in at night, with no where to go in case of engine failure...Atlanta Hartsfield! First time we flew an air ambulance in a T-tail Turbo Lance it seemed like we were over a mass population of subdivisions for half the flight! We both constantly kept an eye out as you should, for a place to sit down if need be. There simply wasn't any.
Love the Central Coast. I retired from the USAF at Vandenberg AFB, now Space Force Base, then lived in Grover Beach for 17 years. I flew out of SBP.. Thanks for another great video.
19:51 I don't have carb heat in my current plane, but I never heard to put the carb heat in on final to prepare for a go around when learning in the 152. One less thing to push in a higher workload moment!
this is one of the channels I watch and do not skip any parts of video love the way you tell us with little lessons learned and now teaches as by telling a great story Love you guys josh keep up the great work.
New to your channel and I’m already hooked, as a student pilot I’m constantly thinking about “what if the engine quits” I live in the valley you just flew over. I enjoy watching how you communicate with ATC and plan your flight, very methodical and clear. I’m inspired.
Save some butter for the rest of us, dang! Great advice on the route planning. I may never pilot any aircraft, but I do enjoy riding along with you and learning what it takes to be a pilot of a small plane. Thank you for sharing your time with us.
Welcome to the central coast! I'm based out of San Luis Obispo (KSBP). You should check out Oceano airport (L52) - land there and walk a few blocks to an excellent Mexican restaurant Old Juan's Cantina. Also check out Harris Ranch (3O8) - a ranch/restaurant with its own landing strip just off highway 5.
I’ll definitely check out your restaurant recommendation when traveling to SLO. As for Harris Ranch, I often forget to roll my windows up before the stink comes through, when driving by on Interstate 5 (to/from the Pacific Northwest)… flying in would probably be the best dining experience - I think the airport is upwind of the feedlots lol
Very familiar with this area; my first solo XC was to SMX. Yeah, from VNY I would have flown up the Santa Clarita Valley to Ventura and then over to San Marcus VOR before doing direct to SMX. In regions that aren't flat, terrain is a real consideration in XC flight planning. I wouldn't fly over the highest part of those mountains unless I was up more like 10500. Just for options.
Nice to see after following you for years that you're not letting complacency set in. You're still willing to go back and look at what you could have done better.
Your discussion about preflight planning and engine failures made me reflect on my aircraft too. Though I do have an only a single engine which has historically had many issues, I am fortunate enough to be sitting on an ejection seat every time I go fly. Having that peace of mind is definitely nice, but it does make me take for granted my "escape plan" in the case of a catastrophic situation.
Now you're flying over my old stomping grounds. I learned how to fly beginning way back in 79, flying out of Brackett Airport across the street from the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds and finished up at Cable Airport. I believe that Cable is the largest family-owned airport in the country, well worth the visit. I'm enjoying your videos more and more Josh, and I predict a very bright future for you and Chelsey, may God bless you both.
I almost never watch these videos. I flew regularly several years a go with a pilot friend of mine. Knowing his personality/character I never had a single doubt about flying with him. I really enjoyed watching this video and listening to your thought process. You two sound like the exemplary aviation couple. Thanks for sharing.
Great video! I've done this trip a few times. I like doing the coastal route rather than straight over the mountains for the same reasons you mentioned.
Love your videos and your attitude towards safe flying. I live in SoCal and I like to put 2,000 ft between me and the ridges. We do have downdrafts pretty much every day.
I loved this video thanks Josh. The emphasis on good airmanship and safe flying will never grow old as far as I'm concerned. If you made every video with this theme built into the content, it wouldn't be too many. Thanks again
Great Video- from one cfi to another- your instructional style is so needed in today’s training environment. I love to give my students a chance to take their time to (appropriately) get ahead of the airplane.
I find that when flight planning, adding doglegs to improve chances of making it to an airport or landable terrain if case of engine failure usually adds very little time to the trip, but does a lot for my peace of mind.
Glad you mentioned emergency landing spots. This is my home turf. I would not fly direct as you did. Flying this route within gliding distance from one airport to another KSZP, KSBA, KIZA instead would only add a few minutes to the flight - well worth it. Fly Safe
I'm so happy I found your channel. I'm an aspiring student pilot and am absorbing so much information right now. I'm even most the way through an audio podcast of ground school. I've learned a lot, been confused a lot and have been inspired a lot. I love how you operate to the fullest extent of safety first. You explain so well and give great info! Thank you!!
I grew up in Lompoc and now live in San Antonio. Thanks for the content, it definitely helps to see other perspectives of engine outs as I make my way through flight school.
The more conservative way to SMX from points south is to follow the Santa Clarita river west from SZP to DEANO, then to RZS over the hill past Santa Ynez and up to SMX. You are only over mountains at RZS briefly that way. The Topatopas are super rugged, as you noticed.
I am a retired military pilot who finished my flying in the C-12 Beech Kingair. It was enjoyable to fly along with you on this hop. I prided myself in the type of cockpit management you demonstrate. General aviation flying would be safer and more enjoyable if all pilots flew as you do! keep it up. Semper Fi.
This was a great watch. I love the humility and admitting to things that could be done better, and reflecting on how your airmanship has developed since you first began flying. Quality content, overall!!
Josh, what a great post. Love your radio phraseology, discipline, flows and unwavering use of check lists. Hope to meet you one day … maybe at OSH this year.
I did most of my training in Arizona so I got used to never plotting straight lines for flight plans. It’s always best to follow roads, be near them or have them as perpendicular cross points.
Great video. Love flying over California, and try to avoid the terrain, unfortunately, not always possible. As you said, altitude is your friend, glide distance very important parameter! My second flight instructor taught me that for my privates, plus he drilled in me emergency landings every flight lesson in all possible terrain scenarios. It has to be automatic! Love watching your videos, and enjoy cali :)
Hi Josh, great content. It’s been 15 years since I’ve flown GA - amazing how much it has changed in the way of avionics. I love the back to grassroots approach you have to flying. Keep it up!!
I watch a lot of aviation-centered RUclips, and I have to say your content it absolutely top-notch. After watching this video I felt inspired to fly the route you said you should have flown in FS2020. I used VORs though (KVNY > VTU > RZS > GVO > KSMX). But man, that looks like it would be an amazing flight in real life! You earned a subscriber, my friend! Best wishes, and keep up the great work!!
Meant to say, yes... it is very easy to get complacent and not be thinking about your "out" in the event of an emergency. Been there done that. The next time I'm up I'll have this top of mind.
Great video. Lots of memories. Worked 30 years of my career in the oil industry in the Santa Maria area. Logged a couple hundred hours as a passenger on an S76 traveling to and from the 4 offshore platforms off Pt pedernales Pt Arguello from SMX and Lompoc. And I just attended the last air show at SMX while visiting recently. My son in law works airport maintenance and got me a VIP ticket. You are a very professional pilot. One of a few that I would trust to fly with under part 91 general aviation.
Beautiful! I can express how amazing these videos are! Its impressive to see such amazing content along with some of the safest flying I have seen. Thank you your content helps me a tone in the journey to become the best pilot I can be.
Hey Josh, I’ve been watching your series for years and have to thank you for posting your experiences. Hopefully it doesn’t feel like a thankless endeavor to you, so I thought I’d let you know that I appreciate every one of them! Im always stoked when I see you’ve posted a new video. I’m a ppl based in San Diego.
Optional places to land is a lesson ingrained with Gliders, Sailplane flights. This awareness is constant and it carried over to my powered flights as well.
Good stuff! Good comments on planning for what if, & those down drafts can really impact performance! Too many pilots have been caught with no power and no safe landing option. Single engine at night really cranks up the risk too. My Dad was a commercial charter pilot operating in the Canadian Arctic, he owned what he flew a '55 Cessna 180 a Helio Courier, later a Aztec. One time he was inquiring about a short contract in the Arctic islands they told him "not this time we want a twin, this involves ocean flying. They chartered a Aztec from someone else. So a little later they called him back and said " you still interested in that flying contract? " The Aztec had a dual engine failure enroute ( the Aztec had 2 outboard fuel tanks & 2 inboard, the outboard drain into the inboard through a valve operated by a bowden cable ) this cable got stuck thus the fuel in the tanks couldn't be used. The Aztec slide to a stop on a ice flow in the Beaufort Sea nobody hurt. Dad did the 5 week contract with his '55 Cessna 180 it was very reliable, best money he ever made that summer (1971). Bottom line you never know what unexpected thing can happen so plan with this in mind.
The narration of thought processes and reflections in this series is absolutely amazing and invaluable. Thankyou for sharing your time, effort, and knowledge. You are making better pilots.
I was at MSN and the line guy wanted me to move right away after startup, he had another plane that he wanted to move to put in my spot. He was insistent I move, the next day I contracted the FBO for find out what was the deal was. It was explained the whole ramp was a non-movement area and I could taxi away from the terminal and finish my checks and then call ground. The take away is your can move away from your parking spot as long as you don't leave the non-movement area.
There was a time when we referred to the non-movement area as the ramp or the other uncontrolled areas. The term "non-movement area" is relatively recent.
Flying around my area. These skies and mountains are where we fly continuously and we love it. Great vid as always Josh. Sure would like to catch up some time when you two are out this way.
Thanks for the vid. Recently I have been flying between the LA basin and northern CA and flying over those mountains. I will take 10 min extra if needed to fly close to a free/highway , esp over that terrain. I experienced an engine failure a few years ago (PA32) and was lucky to glide it into a small airport. I had the routing planned along roads and airports, not a straight line. No single engine at night or low IFR over the mountains for me. (30 yr piloting for an airline) happy landings
I earned my private in 1978, with instrument, commercial, MEL, and ATP all following within about eight years. Long before glass cockpits and all the useful information right at your fingertips. But back in the early 80s, when I was young and thought I'd live forever no matter what, I had my eye-opening, heart-stopping moment when I flew myself into a corner. My dad and I owned a late 60s Cherokee 180 with the original panel, but IFR certified. I had flown a friend on about a 400-mile trip, in complete IFR conditions. On the way home it was very low IFR across most of my route. I was fat, dumb, and happy cruising along in the clouds when all of a sudden the engine went completely quiet! I had taken on fuel before returning home. I don't recall if I checked for water before leaving, but the engine out lasted about five seconds and then roared back to life. Flying magazine used to have articles by pilots who learned from their mistakes called Never Again. (I haven't read one in years, so I don't know if they still have that.) This was my Never Again moment where I'd never box myself into such a tight corner. If the engine hadn't come back to life I'd have been hitting the ground in nearly zero visibility. Although there will be times when your options are extremely limited I some flights, you should always be debriefing yourself on the "what ifs" and how you could have done this flight a little differently, with added margins of safety. Great video.
My first 2 interests as a young boy was line flying airplanes and gas engines. I rebuilt the family garden tractor when I was 12. I went on to build snowmobile and motorcycle race engines, and a couple dozen 454's for Modified Sportsman race cars. It all gave me a good understanding of engines. My 03 GM pickup w/a 4.7 LS I drove 490k miles. Last time I saw it, it had 600k miles on it and was running strong. No big secret. Fluids. It has to lubricate and cool the combustion. Cycles and use dictate changes. The more cycles (cold>RT>cold), increase change frequency. Long runs @.75% add time. Calculate your change time, then * 0.80, and that's when to change it. It's a lot less expensive changing oil/filter than it is changing engines! Oil starts to degrade in the first hour of operation. A piece of bright white paper, and a few drops from the dip-stick will help your decision. Factory spec's are guidelines. The first hour is too soon, beyond that it's subjective. Just a few thoughts... Peace --gary
4:18 - 4:55, utmost importance. This video also nicely shows the tedium of proper preparation. Many, if not all, interested in GA don't understand that tedium. The moments of beauty, while hanging in the sky, are long, long hours of hard work in the making.
Excellent advice here! My CFI constantly asks that same question "Where would you land if the engine quits now" - I understand this is something every Pilot should regularly do when flying (But keep it to yourself when having passengers ;-) Especially non Pilot ones!
At the 20:00 min mark, on short final you called carb heat in. I’m curious, is that normal procedure? I’ve always been taught to keep it on. Obviously if you go it needs to be pushed in. Ive had more than one CFI say “That’s what your thumb is for.” If you push the throttle in and stick your thumb out it rests right on the top of the carb heat. Pressing in pushes both the throttle in and carb heat at the same time. This just seems safer. Less chance of carb ice which would be at it’s most likely at low power of final and would give you the most power soonest in the event of a go. Great video, not critiquing just curious.
I remember my instructor saying a lot of the same words you were saying about pick your place to land, just in case. Continue those thoughts and mantras.
Hey, KSMX my home airport. I live like a 5 minute walk from it. I’ve flown out of it a bunch and met the ATC, he’s chill. Nice to see it getting some attention, it’s the largest airstrip on the central coast.
I am a private pilot who learned to fly in Mammoth Lakes with a field elevation of 7138 feet. I agree with you that Southern California is a very special place. I was born there and lived 75 years there. Unfortunately, there’s a big problem in Sacramento. His name is Newsom and he is wrecked havoc on the Golden State. I couldn’t take any more of his crap and I now happily live in Utah for the last two years. Great video and I will subscribe to your channel having watched this one. Well done!
Amen for sectionals! The birdcage in my Husky is too bright for an iPad and at the front office is too cramped as well. The sectional has everything you need and I don't have to scroll or wade through pages I don't need. Nice video around my home town and the places I frequent.There is no friendlier ATC than KSMX.😄
Nice landing. I barely heard the wheels touch, I couldn't hear the plane rattle at all. You've come a long way since Mr Aviation 101, both in your airmanship and your filming. It's been good to watch the development.
Oh my gosh, this IS AMAZING!!! you really break things down and make it easier for the public to understand!! Please please please keep making these videos
Several years ago when I had a 182RG, I was coming back to Carlsbad from a Pilots N Paws flight to Paso Robles, and was in almost that same area, a little further inland. I was looking around having the same thought of "where would I go if the engine quits?" and my answer was very limited. My next thought was, "It'd be really good to have 2 engines flying around here." A couple of months later I got my Baron, because I knew I'd be doing a lot of flying over that rugged terrain, and the desert at night.
In case I was misunderstood, I really enjoyed this video. It took me back to the years I flew out of VNY, pre-GPS, and how I decided whether to fly over the hills or the ocean when headed up the coast. There were always pros and cons for either routing. My general rule of thumb was if VNY was using the 34s I would head to the ocean, if on the 16s I would head to the mountains. Using the 34s often meant the Santa Ana winds were blowing and I always tried to avoid being over the mountains when they were. Returning to VNY in the late afternoon I would almost always come in over the mountains to avoid the marine layer and also opposite direction traffic that would be flying directly into the sun. Your video reminded me of how much I enjoyed flying in Southern California. It could be challenging but it was also rewarding.
Awesome content. Great things to think about. Love the fact that you point these things out. Super important. - My dad had a terrible rotorcraft accident that landed him in the hospital for months, and the Pilot crippled till to this day. So the thought of safety has always been to the forefront of my mind.
I use the same line of thought about flying paramotors. I always am looking for a place to land. I always keep a landing site in sight. Great content as usual Josh!
Enjoyed the video. Back in the late 70's when I lived in Davis CA my dad offered to pay for flying lessons but I was looking down the barrel of college and just new I wouldn't be able to maintain the practice hours I would need. I did get to fly with an instructor/friend from the Davis Muni airport down to the Nut Tree airport and back as a carrot. Since then decades have gone by and I'm 65 and living in Virginia. I can vicariously enjoy aviation on RUclips. So very cool. I do miss California but by all indications it's not the same state I left in the mid 80's.
I really enjoy your videos, your attention to detail and explanations of what you are doing, and your time taken to explain at least part of your preparations before engine start. As an aside, I do follow another aviation content producer whose production qualities are great but it is sometimes incredibly difficult to watch because he pushes an envelope past where he should, flying single engine at night and flying in bad weather where a critical system malfunction would kill without remorse. I much prefer to watch your flying videos because of your approach to flying and your respect for the environment which is after all unforgiving. Keep up the great work.
My dad always said "Altitude, Airspeed, Alternatives". Back in the early 60's I worked for Santa Barbara Public Works and did some taxiway extension design, and improved flood control system.
When you mentioned planning and if the engine quits, had me think of the Kobe Bryant flight. Even though weather was different, you always have to be on your toes. Nice landing!
Welcome to flying in SoCal. Engine failures in SoCal don’t leave a lot of options. I agree that if you had gone closer to the coast, not only can you ditch in the water, but there are other airports along your route.
Was happy to hear you calling "one-one thousand, two-one-thousand,etc." when deploying flaps. That's a trick I figured out on my own early on while training in a late 60's 172 when I realized the flap indicator was one step removed from useless. Spent some time on the ramp experimenting and figured out that 1-2-3 got me the first 10 degrees and 1-2 got me each additional "notch". That way I could keep my eyes out the window instead of down at the bottom of the panel. I would call out the "thousands", then glance left and right out the windows to visually confirm, and carry on the approach.
I prefer flying along the coast not just for the added landing options, but also because there's actually a few airports along that coast as well. Helps with flight planning, navigation, and landing options. Just all around the best way to go it. Also those mountains can create a lot of nasty conditions during windy days if you're flying too low. A wise policy and lesson for anyone.
Another great video! Thanks for your fantastic content! I own a Cardinal, and have been flying for 10 years, but I learn something new every time I watch.
I'm starting to teach my son to fly. Every time we go up, I pull the engine on him somewhere in the flight. By the time he gets to his PPL checkride it darn well better be engrained into his head to always be thinking about options! Also, great point about the intersection departure and about accepting what ATC gives you. I always remind my students, the controller is not in your airplane, does not know your performance calculations and procedures. If you can't do or don't feel comfortable doing what they are asking of you - speak up! It never hurts to ask for alternate instructions. You are the PIC.
Great video! My home airport is San Luis Obispo (KSBP) and I did my first cross country to KVNY and have done that flight many times since. My CFI called the mountain range you flew over the "people eaters" and said the only time you want to fly over them is in a twin or an aircraft with a parachute, just like you mentioned. The safest route is via the San Marcus VOR (RZS), unless there are high winds across the mountain, then Gaviota VOR (GVO) will give you more terrain clearance and less severe downdrafts.
this is inspiring, im in flight academy right now to chase the dream of airline pilot and your attitude is exactly what im aspiring to be. great video and will watch more!
25+ years ago when I was doing my flight training on the Central Coast and flying down to SoCal, I would always fly along the coast. There are so many airports along the coast to divert to when flying VFR ASEL as opposed to the route over the mountains.
I was the Line Guy that Marshaled you out at VNY. Nice meeting you! Your videos are inspiring. Thank you
Good luck on your flight training!
"Don't fly yourself into a corner" is really good advice. When I am flying, I use the mantra, "Be the monkey".
I had to explain this to one of my instructors. You are a monkey, swinging from branch to branch. You don't let go of one branch until you have the other one safely in your grasp.
I employ this philosophy all the time when flying. It prevents me from "flying myself into a corner".
Yeah altitude and speed is life when flying. Usually.
Another perspective of the first law of wingwalking: Never let go of one thing until you have a firm grip on another.
@@AndrewGrey22 - Indeed, however, I fly rotorcraft. I have the glide-ratio of a brick tied to a handkerchief.
I also transit controlled airspace over a built-up area quite frequently and I am given a ceiling of no more than 2000ft AMSL. I plot my route such that I "be the monkey" and hop from green field to green field (some of those fields are just sports-fields but are more than enough area for me to put down safely). Given that I live in Scotland, I could also be flying over forests or very rugged terrain, and again, I plot my route such that in the event of a failure, I have somewhere safe to go.
My mindset for performing maintenance: don't be a hole in the swiss cheese model
Hey Josh! Small world! The plane you got a clip of holding short in VNY was N252SP the very plane I got my PPL in at VNY. Also, this exact route was the one I used for my check ride and long solo x-country. I planned it and flew it the exact way you mentioned in your de brief. The DPE even asked me why I chose the routing and because this exact thing…engine failure. Great video and I’m so happy you were able to experience the amazing VNY!
Ah 2SP from LAFA
Aaah lafa student! Flew 2SP the other day!
:41 - If engine quits at that moment, pray you are wearing your parachute and brought your ridge wallet.
And don’t forget the GoPro on your way out.😂😂😂😂
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Fun fact he can hear his home airport from his prison cell
Don't forget to have a friend with a helicopter to hide the evidence.
I always strap fire extinguishers to my legs….just in case
I love your humility, Josh! Showing us your mistakes helps everyone watching to be more aware of possible issues we could face and how to handle them! Your content and skills always shine in these videos. Keep up the great work and I also look forward to the next adventure with you guys!
Every flight should have a debrief. We should always be learning. I like it.
All I wanna say is that I’ve been watching your channel for a LONG time since before you and your dad bought 80991. A combination of you, the Blue Angels, and my favorite airshow pilot Rob Holland inspired me to finally take my first flight lesson yesterday. And it was pretty gusty but I was comfortable the entire time. Winds were 232 at 10 gust 20. I was in the right seat and 12 years of flight simulator time for me really showed my instructor how confident I was. Even impressed him of how well I controlled the Skyhawk we were flying. I’ve been in watching your videos and taking notes. I hope to see you in the skies one day Josh.
So happy to see your upload schedule is increasing. Yours is truly one of the channels I eagerly await content. Love the instruction, love the safety discussions, and LOVE the adventures. Wishing you the best. From KRBD.
Another KRBD person?
agree with assessment
13:35 after landing at an airport in Logan West Virginia in the middle of hundreds of miles of nothing but mountains, I mentioned to a pilot at the airport that there aren't many options if you were to lose an engine. He said, "yup, lose an engine around here, and you're eating trees."
Mostly true. I've been into Logan several times. I live and fly WV regularly in a C175 and it's not terribly difficult to plan IFR (I fly roads and rivers) along with strip mines and the occasional farm fields. Altitude is your friend here. Doesn't eliminate the risk but it improves my odds and comfort. I had a mag issue last weekend that had me climbing and making direct for the OH river while I flew back to my home airport.
I sometimes flew over the similar route so I took the coastal route closer to Santa Barbara and turned inland toward Santa Maria to avoid the mountainous terrain. It only took a few minutes longer but it was a much safer choice
I remember it well when you said in a video maybe a year or so ago, that as a young inexperienced pilot you were always in the "killing zone". I remember those days too albeit that was in the mid 60s. I never thought about engine failure; at anytime. Crazy stuff. I rode right seat in a mooney to Cape Girardeau, MO back in 69 to ferry another Mooney back to Houston. I worked as an aircraft salesman for Cruise Aviation at Hobby at that time. The Mooney I flew back was not in the best condition and had no radios. The other Mooney took care of communications and I followed the other plane back to Houston and the last couple of hours was at night. In the "killing zone" from the time I left Missouri until I landed. And that's just one story. I have many that could have put me out of my misery. Can you imagine doing something as stupid as that in this day and time?
Josh, I’m glad you’re talking about what to do if your only engine fails. I had to deal with that in my single-engine aircraft 2-1/2 years ago. I was able to land in a field, was not injured, but my aircraft was a write-off. I was able to walk away from the scene only because I had plenty of altitude and visibility to select a suitable Le landing spot. Too many GA pilots do not survive this type of emergency.
Since then, I have drastically altered my personal minimums in my flying. I would never fly over terrain such as you had below you on this video flight. Other considerations for me now are to fly in daylight hours only, to never fly over low IFR cloud conditions, and a few others.
Keep these videos coming. You’re doing great work.
I could see by 19:50 that your approach was extremely precise and you were going to grease that landing. Nice job! And thanks for posting this and similar videos. They are VERY educational and help keep us safer in the air.
Some really good airmanship thoughts there. I especially like the don't just plan the air route, plan what you are flying over, and what to do in an emergency.
Great work, and I love the constant self-debrief. I send links to students then discuss various points... Your aeronautical experience becomes ours. I fly down in SD... Enjoy Socal!
Joshua you and your videos, are an inspiration for all GA pilots, both virtual and real life. I've been watching your videos since you were renting planes to fly. Keep the good work buddy!!!
My goodness, that glass panel! I got my privates in the mid 1980's in 152's & 172's. That kind of panel was reserved for F16's! lol. Took me many years and ratings before I flew glass like that! I still marvel at the panels on small Cessna's etc these days. BTW, talking about being a little uncomfortable in a SE coming in at night, with no where to go in case of engine failure...Atlanta Hartsfield! First time we flew an air ambulance in a T-tail Turbo Lance it seemed like we were over a mass population of subdivisions for half the flight! We both constantly kept an eye out as you should, for a place to sit down if need be. There simply wasn't any.
Love that you take the time to share how you’ll do it differently next time
Love the Central Coast. I retired from the USAF at Vandenberg AFB, now Space Force Base, then lived in Grover Beach for 17 years. I flew out of SBP.. Thanks for another great video.
19:51 I don't have carb heat in my current plane, but I never heard to put the carb heat in on final to prepare for a go around when learning in the 152. One less thing to push in a higher workload moment!
“Efficiency comes with proficiency” that’s good.
this is one of the channels I watch and do not skip any parts of video love the way you tell us with little lessons learned and now teaches as by telling a great story Love you guys josh keep up the great work.
New to your channel and I’m already hooked, as a student pilot I’m constantly thinking about “what if the engine quits” I live in the valley you just flew over. I enjoy watching how you communicate with ATC and plan your flight, very methodical and clear. I’m inspired.
Save some butter for the rest of us, dang!
Great advice on the route planning. I may never pilot any aircraft, but I do enjoy riding along with you and learning what it takes to be a pilot of a small plane. Thank you for sharing your time with us.
Welcome to the central coast! I'm based out of San Luis Obispo (KSBP). You should check out Oceano airport (L52) - land there and walk a few blocks to an excellent Mexican restaurant Old Juan's Cantina. Also check out Harris Ranch (3O8) - a ranch/restaurant with its own landing strip just off highway 5.
I’ll definitely check out your restaurant recommendation when traveling to SLO. As for Harris Ranch, I often forget to roll my windows up before the stink comes through, when driving by on Interstate 5 (to/from the Pacific Northwest)… flying in would probably be the best dining experience - I think the airport is upwind of the feedlots lol
Very familiar with this area; my first solo XC was to SMX. Yeah, from VNY I would have flown up the Santa Clarita Valley to Ventura and then over to San Marcus VOR before doing direct to SMX. In regions that aren't flat, terrain is a real consideration in XC flight planning. I wouldn't fly over the highest part of those mountains unless I was up more like 10500. Just for options.
I’ve flown and crossed those mountains at night, definitely sends a chill down your spine.. never fly along them as I usually stay along the coast
Nice to see after following you for years that you're not letting complacency set in. You're still willing to go back and look at what you could have done better.
Adding the San Marcus VORTAC as a waypoint increases the distance from 105.9 nm to 107.4 nm.
so you would've lost the race.
Your discussion about preflight planning and engine failures made me reflect on my aircraft too. Though I do have an only a single engine which has historically had many issues, I am fortunate enough to be sitting on an ejection seat every time I go fly. Having that peace of mind is definitely nice, but it does make me take for granted my "escape plan" in the case of a catastrophic situation.
Now you're flying over my old stomping grounds. I learned how to fly beginning way back in 79, flying out of Brackett Airport across the street from the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds and finished up at Cable Airport. I believe that Cable is the largest family-owned airport in the country, well worth the visit. I'm enjoying your videos more and more Josh, and I predict a very bright future for you and Chelsey, may God bless you both.
I almost never watch these videos. I flew regularly several years a go with a pilot friend of mine. Knowing his personality/character I never had a single doubt about flying with him. I really enjoyed watching this video and listening to your thought process. You two sound like the exemplary aviation couple. Thanks for sharing.
Great video! I've done this trip a few times. I like doing the coastal route rather than straight over the mountains for the same reasons you mentioned.
Love your videos and your attitude towards safe flying. I live in SoCal and I like to put 2,000 ft between me and the ridges. We do have downdrafts pretty much every day.
I loved this video thanks Josh. The emphasis on good airmanship and safe flying will never grow old as far as I'm concerned. If you made every video with this theme built into the content, it wouldn't be too many. Thanks again
Great Video- from one cfi to another- your instructional style is so needed in today’s training environment. I love to give my students a chance to take their time to (appropriately) get ahead of the airplane.
I find that when flight planning, adding doglegs to improve chances of making it to an airport or landable terrain if case of engine failure usually adds very little time to the trip, but does a lot for my peace of mind.
Best course , VNY, CMA,RZS KSMX..lots of options and scenic.
Glad you mentioned emergency landing spots. This is my home turf. I would not fly direct as you did. Flying this route within gliding distance from one airport to another KSZP, KSBA, KIZA instead would only add a few minutes to the flight - well worth it. Fly Safe
We begin naive, then evolve, always learning. You debreifed yourself. Recognize mistakes and hopefully learn from them. Good work.
Another wonderful video! Love watching your adventures and the way you've grown from your early RUclips days!
Always picking up good advice from Josh. It’s so easy to get preoccupied in the cockpit and lose sight of “what if”.
I'm so happy I found your channel. I'm an aspiring student pilot and am absorbing so much information right now. I'm even most the way through an audio podcast of ground school. I've learned a lot, been confused a lot and have been inspired a lot. I love how you operate to the fullest extent of safety first. You explain so well and give great info! Thank you!!
I grew up in Lompoc and now live in San Antonio.
Thanks for the content, it definitely helps to see other perspectives of engine outs as I make my way through flight school.
The more conservative way to SMX from points south is to follow the Santa Clarita river west from SZP to DEANO, then to RZS over the hill past Santa Ynez and up to SMX. You are only over mountains at RZS briefly that way. The Topatopas are super rugged, as you noticed.
Love the thoughtful approach to all you do. Best to you and Chelsea fly safe.
I am a retired military pilot who finished my flying in the C-12 Beech Kingair. It was enjoyable to fly along with you on this hop. I prided myself in the type of cockpit management you demonstrate. General aviation flying would be safer and more enjoyable if all pilots flew as you do! keep it up. Semper Fi.
This was a great watch. I love the humility and admitting to things that could be done better, and reflecting on how your airmanship has developed since you first began flying. Quality content, overall!!
Josh, what a great post. Love your radio phraseology, discipline, flows and unwavering use of check lists. Hope to meet you one day … maybe at OSH this year.
I did most of my training in Arizona so I got used to never plotting straight lines for flight plans. It’s always best to follow roads, be near them or have them as perpendicular cross points.
Great video. Love flying over California, and try to avoid the terrain, unfortunately, not always possible. As you said, altitude is your friend, glide distance very important parameter! My second flight instructor taught me that for my privates, plus he drilled in me emergency landings every flight lesson in all possible terrain scenarios. It has to be automatic! Love watching your videos, and enjoy cali :)
Hi Josh, great content. It’s been 15 years since I’ve flown GA - amazing how much it has changed in the way of avionics. I love the back to grassroots approach you have to flying. Keep it up!!
I watch a lot of aviation-centered RUclips, and I have to say your content it absolutely top-notch. After watching this video I felt inspired to fly the route you said you should have flown in FS2020. I used VORs though (KVNY > VTU > RZS > GVO > KSMX). But man, that looks like it would be an amazing flight in real life! You earned a subscriber, my friend! Best wishes, and keep up the great work!!
Meant to say, yes... it is very easy to get complacent and not be thinking about your "out" in the event of an emergency. Been there done that. The next time I'm up I'll have this top of mind.
Great video. Lots of memories. Worked 30 years of my career in the oil industry in the Santa Maria area. Logged a couple hundred hours as a passenger on an S76 traveling to and from the 4 offshore platforms off Pt pedernales Pt Arguello from SMX and Lompoc. And I just attended the last air show at SMX while visiting recently. My son in law works airport maintenance and got me a VIP ticket. You are a very professional pilot. One of a few that I would trust to fly with under part 91 general aviation.
Beautifully done! Editing is always top notch 🤩 that landing was pretty good too!! 😉Thanks for sharing! See you soon ✈️
I had the unexpected partial engine "failure" in a C172...made it back to Airport, but one CYL had gone south...Whew!
Had to slow-flight at 1700 RPM back to Home airport, 25nm away....glad I made it!
Beautiful! I can express how amazing these videos are! Its impressive to see such amazing content along with some of the safest flying I have seen. Thank you your content helps me a tone in the journey to become the best pilot I can be.
Hey Josh, I’ve been watching your series for years and have to thank you for posting your experiences. Hopefully it doesn’t feel like a thankless endeavor to you, so I thought I’d let you know that I appreciate every one of them! Im always stoked when I see you’ve posted a new video.
I’m a ppl based in San Diego.
Well done. Listen to this pilot, he could save your life. Excellent video.
Optional places to land is a lesson ingrained with Gliders, Sailplane flights. This awareness is constant and it carried over to my powered flights as well.
Good stuff! Good comments on planning for what if, & those down drafts can really impact performance!
Too many pilots have been caught with no power and no safe landing option. Single engine at night really cranks up the risk too. My Dad was a commercial charter pilot operating in the Canadian Arctic, he owned what he flew a '55 Cessna 180 a Helio Courier, later a Aztec. One time he was inquiring about a short contract in the Arctic islands they told him "not this time we want a twin, this involves ocean flying. They chartered a Aztec from someone else. So a little later they called him back and said " you still interested in that flying contract? " The Aztec had a dual engine failure enroute ( the Aztec had 2 outboard fuel tanks & 2 inboard, the outboard drain into the inboard through a valve operated by a bowden cable ) this cable got stuck thus the fuel in the tanks couldn't be used. The Aztec slide to a stop on a ice flow in the Beaufort Sea nobody hurt. Dad did the 5 week contract with his '55 Cessna 180 it was very reliable, best money he ever made that summer (1971). Bottom line you never know what unexpected thing can happen so plan with this in mind.
I flew out of KWHP and thinking of being in the air again this year. Love seeing local content!
The narration of thought processes and reflections in this series is absolutely amazing and invaluable.
Thankyou for sharing your time, effort, and knowledge. You are making better pilots.
Thank you for sharing and all the wonderful safety tips which is also a refresher. Much appreciated. Stay safe and take care.
I was at MSN and the line guy wanted me to move right away after startup, he had another plane that he wanted to move to put in my spot. He was insistent I move, the next day I contracted the FBO for find out what was the deal was. It was explained the whole ramp was a non-movement area and I could taxi away from the terminal and finish my checks and then call ground. The take away is your can move away from your parking spot as long as you don't leave the non-movement area.
Meh. There is only one PIC. If it makes me interrupt my flow or checklist, it increases the odds of missing something.
There was a time when we referred to the non-movement area as the ramp or the other uncontrolled areas. The term "non-movement area" is relatively recent.
Flying around my area. These skies and mountains are where we fly continuously and we love it. Great vid as always Josh. Sure would like to catch up some time when you two are out this way.
Thanks for the vid.
Recently I have been flying between the LA basin and northern CA and flying over those mountains.
I will take 10 min extra if needed to fly close to a free/highway , esp over that terrain.
I experienced an engine failure a few years ago (PA32) and was lucky to glide it into a small airport. I had the routing planned along roads and airports, not a straight line.
No single engine at night or low IFR over the mountains for me. (30 yr piloting for an airline)
happy landings
I earned my private in 1978, with instrument, commercial, MEL, and ATP all following within about eight years. Long before glass cockpits and all the useful information right at your fingertips.
But back in the early 80s, when I was young and thought I'd live forever no matter what, I had my eye-opening, heart-stopping moment when I flew myself into a corner.
My dad and I owned a late 60s Cherokee 180 with the original panel, but IFR certified. I had flown a friend on about a 400-mile trip, in complete IFR conditions. On the way home it was very low IFR across most of my route. I was fat, dumb, and happy cruising along in the clouds when all of a sudden the engine went completely quiet! I had taken on fuel before returning home. I don't recall if I checked for water before leaving, but the engine out lasted about five seconds and then roared back to life.
Flying magazine used to have articles by pilots who learned from their mistakes called Never Again. (I haven't read one in years, so I don't know if they still have that.) This was my Never Again moment where I'd never box myself into such a tight corner. If the engine hadn't come back to life I'd have been hitting the ground in nearly zero visibility.
Although there will be times when your options are extremely limited I some flights, you should always be debriefing yourself on the "what ifs" and how you could have done this flight a little differently, with added margins of safety. Great video.
My first 2 interests as a young boy was line flying airplanes and gas engines. I rebuilt the family garden tractor when I was 12. I went on to build snowmobile and motorcycle race engines, and a couple dozen 454's for Modified Sportsman race cars. It all gave me a good understanding of engines. My 03 GM pickup w/a 4.7 LS I drove 490k miles. Last time I saw it, it had 600k miles on it and was running strong. No big secret. Fluids. It has to lubricate and cool the combustion. Cycles and use dictate changes. The more cycles (cold>RT>cold), increase change frequency. Long runs @.75% add time. Calculate your change time, then * 0.80, and that's when to change it. It's a lot less expensive changing oil/filter than it is changing engines! Oil starts to degrade in the first hour of operation. A piece of bright white paper, and a few drops from the dip-stick will help your decision. Factory spec's are guidelines. The first hour is too soon, beyond that it's subjective. Just a few thoughts... Peace --gary
4:18 - 4:55, utmost importance. This video also nicely shows the tedium of proper preparation. Many, if not all, interested in GA don't understand that tedium. The moments of beauty, while hanging in the sky, are long, long hours of hard work in the making.
Excellent advice here! My CFI constantly asks that same question "Where would you land if the engine quits now" - I understand this is something every Pilot should regularly do when flying (But keep it to yourself when having passengers ;-) Especially non Pilot ones!
At the 20:00 min mark, on short final you called carb heat in. I’m curious, is that normal procedure? I’ve always been taught to keep it on. Obviously if you go it needs to be pushed in. Ive had more than one CFI say “That’s what your thumb is for.” If you push the throttle in and stick your thumb out it rests right on the top of the carb heat. Pressing in pushes both the throttle in and carb heat at the same time. This just seems safer. Less chance of carb ice which would be at it’s most likely at low power of final and would give you the most power soonest in the event of a go.
Great video, not critiquing just curious.
Great flight over beautiful country. Thanks for taking us along. I always enjoy your clear description of what is happening.
I remember my instructor saying a lot of the same words you were saying about pick your place to land, just in case. Continue those thoughts and mantras.
Hey, KSMX my home airport. I live like a 5 minute walk from it. I’ve flown out of it a bunch and met the ATC, he’s chill. Nice to see it getting some attention, it’s the largest airstrip on the central coast.
I am a private pilot who learned to fly in Mammoth Lakes with a field elevation of 7138 feet. I agree with you that Southern California is a very special place. I was born there and lived 75 years there. Unfortunately, there’s a big problem in Sacramento. His name is Newsom and he is wrecked havoc on the Golden State. I couldn’t take any more of his crap and I now happily live in Utah for the last two years. Great video and I will subscribe to your channel having watched this one. Well done!
Amen for sectionals! The birdcage in my Husky is too bright for an iPad and at the front office is too cramped as well. The sectional has everything you need and I don't have to scroll or wade through pages I don't need. Nice video around my home town and the places I frequent.There is no friendlier ATC than KSMX.😄
Nice landing. I barely heard the wheels touch, I couldn't hear the plane rattle at all. You've come a long way since Mr Aviation 101, both in your airmanship and your filming. It's been good to watch the development.
Oh my gosh, this IS AMAZING!!! you really break things down and make it easier for the public to understand!! Please please please keep making these videos
Several years ago when I had a 182RG, I was coming back to Carlsbad from a Pilots N Paws flight to Paso Robles, and was in almost that same area, a little further inland. I was looking around having the same thought of "where would I go if the engine quits?" and my answer was very limited. My next thought was, "It'd be really good to have 2 engines flying around here." A couple of months later I got my Baron, because I knew I'd be doing a lot of flying over that rugged terrain, and the desert at night.
Plenty of airports along the coast plus it’s usually smoother. Great video.
In case I was misunderstood, I really enjoyed this video. It took me back to the years I flew out of VNY, pre-GPS, and how I decided whether to fly over the hills or the ocean when headed up the coast. There were always pros and cons for either routing. My general rule of thumb was if VNY was using the 34s I would head to the ocean, if on the 16s I would head to the mountains. Using the 34s often meant the Santa Ana winds were blowing and I always tried to avoid being over the mountains when they were. Returning to VNY in the late afternoon I would almost always come in over the mountains to avoid the marine layer and also opposite direction traffic that would be flying directly into the sun. Your video reminded me of how much I enjoyed flying in Southern California. It could be challenging but it was also rewarding.
Awesome content. Great things to think about. Love the fact that you point these things out. Super important. - My dad had a terrible rotorcraft accident that landed him in the hospital for months, and the Pilot crippled till to this day. So the thought of safety has always been to the forefront of my mind.
I use the same line of thought about flying paramotors. I always am looking for a place to land. I always keep a landing site in sight. Great content as usual Josh!
16:35 Agree with your debrief -- SE over terrain doesn't give you a lot of options, especially at night. That's why I like IFR (I Follow Roads).
Enjoyed the video. Back in the late 70's when I lived in Davis CA my dad offered to pay for flying lessons but I was looking down the barrel of college and just new I wouldn't be able to maintain the practice hours I would need. I did get to fly with an instructor/friend from the Davis Muni airport down to the Nut Tree airport and back as a carrot. Since then decades have gone by and I'm 65 and living in Virginia. I can vicariously enjoy aviation on RUclips. So very cool. I do miss California but by all indications it's not the same state I left in the mid 80's.
I really enjoy your videos, your attention to detail and explanations of what you are doing, and your time taken to explain at least part of your preparations before engine start. As an aside, I do follow another aviation content producer whose production qualities are great but it is sometimes incredibly difficult to watch because he pushes an envelope past where he should, flying single engine at night and flying in bad weather where a critical system malfunction would kill without remorse. I much prefer to watch your flying videos because of your approach to flying and your respect for the environment which is after all unforgiving. Keep up the great work.
That means so much - thanks for the kind words and feedback!!
I fly out of SBP about 40 miles north of Santa Maria! Enjoy the area!
My dad always said "Altitude, Airspeed, Alternatives". Back in the early 60's I worked for Santa Barbara Public Works and did some taxiway extension design, and improved flood control system.
When you mentioned planning and if the engine quits, had me think of the Kobe Bryant flight. Even though weather was different, you always have to be on your toes. Nice landing!
Welcome to flying in SoCal. Engine failures in SoCal don’t leave a lot of options. I agree that if you had gone closer to the coast, not only can you ditch in the water, but there are other airports along your route.
Was happy to hear you calling "one-one thousand, two-one-thousand,etc." when deploying flaps. That's a trick I figured out on my own early on while training in a late 60's 172 when I realized the flap indicator was one step removed from useless. Spent some time on the ramp experimenting and figured out that 1-2-3 got me the first 10 degrees and 1-2 got me each additional "notch". That way I could keep my eyes out the window instead of down at the bottom of the panel. I would call out the "thousands", then glance left and right out the windows to visually confirm, and carry on the approach.
I prefer flying along the coast not just for the added landing options, but also because there's actually a few airports along that coast as well. Helps with flight planning, navigation, and landing options. Just all around the best way to go it. Also those mountains can create a lot of nasty conditions during windy days if you're flying too low. A wise policy and lesson for anyone.
Another great video! Thanks for your fantastic content! I own a Cardinal, and have been flying for 10 years, but I learn something new every time I watch.
Nice video! I especially liked how you recognized the nasty terrain during your flight.
I'm starting to teach my son to fly. Every time we go up, I pull the engine on him somewhere in the flight. By the time he gets to his PPL checkride it darn well better be engrained into his head to always be thinking about options!
Also, great point about the intersection departure and about accepting what ATC gives you. I always remind my students, the controller is not in your airplane, does not know your performance calculations and procedures. If you can't do or don't feel comfortable doing what they are asking of you - speak up! It never hurts to ask for alternate instructions. You are the PIC.
definitely fly along the coast...so much more scenic and safer unless you're flying a Cirrus...good job of flying.
Great video! My home airport is San Luis Obispo (KSBP) and I did my first cross country to KVNY and have done that flight many times since. My CFI called the mountain range you flew over the "people eaters" and said the only time you want to fly over them is in a twin or an aircraft with a parachute, just like you mentioned. The safest route is via the San Marcus VOR (RZS), unless there are high winds across the mountain, then Gaviota VOR (GVO) will give you more terrain clearance and less severe downdrafts.
this is inspiring, im in flight academy right now to chase the dream of airline pilot and your attitude is exactly what im aspiring to be. great video and will watch more!
25+ years ago when I was doing my flight training on the Central Coast and flying down to SoCal, I would always fly along the coast. There are so many airports along the coast to divert to when flying VFR ASEL as opposed to the route over the mountains.
I agree with you about using a sectional, even on my iPad, during visual flight.