I pissed a professor off in college in the class I took on motors. I sent a motor into runaway, and it destroyed itself. The professor asked how I was going to pay for the motor. I simply said "I already did -- lab fees."
Nice. Glad to see you were satisfied blowing off some steam, and also really cool to hear that sound of the oscillating magnetic fields making noises like that without the motor even spinning. Indeed that must've come from the windings due to the alternating current supplied by the frequency generator. Anyway awesome video that would blow most people's minds. Wonder how many people wouldn't believe that the motor is actually spinning.
Really like your videos - I've learned more about electricity since watching your entertaining videos - in particular I really like videos of the old welders and batteries - seeing how they work, understanding how electric induction motors actually work - you do a great job of making that knowledge accessable without being boring! If possible please dig up more old school equipment to pull apart - love it man.
Ah those little Omron VFD's are ace to play with. I love the sound of a motor running off an inverter they make some really odd noises at low speeds! Great vid as ever Photon.
I really enjoy your videos. After seeing this one, I imaged if they made an episode of Star Trek where they allow you as a passenger. Throughout the episode you'd say things like "This is what I think of electronics!" and sabotage the ship. Would be an awesome episode. They keep locking you up but you keep breaking all their electronics and escaping - like a gremlin in the machine. But then there comes a point where you save the ship thanks to your know-how - when the engineer says "she can't take any more power cap'n" you could take over and give it more power LOL.
Photonics. Actually if they made Star Trick with him in it if it was new Star Trick there would be two Mr. Chekovs as he looks just like him. Mr Chekhov and Mr. Checkyourtemper
Ah, J7, played with one of those in school 10 years ago, it was fun. Just use digital inputs to set some preset frequencies also, those are handy sometimes, flip of a switch and you have like 25Hz at once. Btw, increase the low freq voltage in parameters to get more torque, if I remember right it starts with just 12volts near 0Hz to keep magnetic fiux about constant over freq range. But overboosting things is always nice.
Great video, pity you didn't pop those juicy caps. Great to see this motor running at those crazy speeds. Scopes, I put them on an isolating transformer in case of live v. ground terminals.
Nice that you documented the beginning of the end. When logic and utility went out the window SHAMELESSLY in the name of profit. When the power actually left our hands they’re not trying to help you they’re trying to trick you long enough to make more and more and more money
Mini inverter welders are probably the best application for IGBTs. Inverter microwave oven is needlessly complicated. Motor drivers with IGBT... your video makes that point. You're not alone in that opinion as Electrical Engineers go. That was hilarious seeing that motor one second and then fried the next. 😂 BTW kudos on the hammer bit, now I don't feel like as much of a neanderthal.
Smiling and laughing all the way through, although I had seen this in its original cuts already. PhotonicInductionAndy, you are a great stress reliever to watch!
Would a diode have saved the oscilloscope from being ruined when connected to the motor? By the way, The Postapocalyptic Inventor has a great video mini series about universal motors. He was also challenged by all the circuitry needed to control them.
I feel exactly the same buddy when I'm trying to fix appliances and window ACs to donate. They just had to over complicate everything that still does exactly the same thing it did 50 years ago. It's amazing what a bit of telephone wire and a mercury thermostat can fix or a few toggle switches.
This Vid' is great fun. My Cat watched this Video from start to finish. He had an encounter with a 3 speed hair dryer when he was a Kitten, and I was interested in the conversion to 3 phase, and the high frequency operation. But at the end of the day, the Video proved a scientific phenomenon. It is said that animals don't watch TV because they don't understand a thing that's on it. Now I know differently. My Cat completely understood the bit with the masking tape and the shoe.
This is one of the rather hilariously entertaining ones i have seen yet, scopes are hard for me to come by, e.g. i have never had one, always wanted one, it was superb watching you smash that one in, unexpectedly. And then the motor, suffering, Just GRATIFYING!! JEAHHHH BOYYYYY!
We have a pallet-wrapping machine at work and its motor controllers break every once in a while. The problem is that the setup absolutely depends on the ability to regulate the motors. The machine would have to have complex gearboxes and produce huge current spikes if it was designed without them in place.
Photon: "*Stupid inverters which obviously have to communicate with the main driver board*" Motor type: *induction* Me: That would be a *synchronous motor for you
Hey photon, I'm a bit new to this businesses. For the waves coming out of the generator, are they're more pointed or more like the center graph of sin(x^2)?
That Omron VS J7 must be designed to run motor in open loop V/F. When loaded, the speed falls, the inverter does not know if the speed has really fallen. They are not closed loop (sensorless).
By the way i love your videos and i watch them all day long. I really appreciate you make these videos. Not everybody is such brave as you to play with this type of electrical components, and also not everyone is such brave enough to overload electrical components as you. I have never seen anyone that is not afraid of playing with seriously dangerous stuff, except for you. I love the vids, once again i said that, and i subscribed. You just made my day. Keep it like this. By the way could you make a video when overloading a larger electric motor? I would prefer to do it somewhere outside if i was you. I am sure pretty sure that it's safer to do it outside your house.
?What was the amperage draw as it climbed above 50hz could you trend it up to the max. 400hz. We need higher freqs. maybe 5k. ?When you hold he rotor and increased the freq. try taking it up to 400 then releasing the rotor. ?will it just stay still, climb rpm slowly, or quickly. Also try putting a load on it like a model plane propeller. You could pull the rotor and place a bearing in it, that's how they used to test field windings after they were rewound.
Lets see how high tech electronics behaves in a Carrington event. You won't need a bigger hammer. Very interesting how you can lock the rotor and hear the field "spinning".
Oh no. If an induction motor can be just held like that, then I shouldn't use an induction motor for my full electric motorcycle project? How can one start moving me & my bike immediately, if one can be held like that? Or was that one just really weak? Or using very low amps? I know what batteries I want to use for my bike, I just haven't picked a motor yet. But I know I want it to be brushless. Great video!
@@afrog2666 The hammer size really depends on your mood. Small hammer just annoyed. Bigger hammer when pissed off. Lastly when you have blown your stack you dig out the truly BFH. Somewhere in the 100 ton range and smash the truck that delivered the stupid thing to your bench. You then go have a beer to cool off.
Could you do something to run one of those in line blowers from inside s microwave? The kind that has two blowers, one on each side, and runs on a 5 pin connection? There are no videos or websites about them and I would really like to know so I could use it for a forge fan
Yeah buddy I fully agree! If I had a frequency modulator (or whatever you'd use to do that, I'm no expert) I'd do it lol. I think that the resistance of the air and also the friction of the moving parts would limit it's speed. Perhaps the centrifical force would rip it apart...it needs to be tested! :D
I like these vids because I know the feeling of frustration with these things so well, I/we always wish we could just ball up and beat the hell out of what we are working on but the $$$ holds us back. Good for you that you go with you emotion at the time and beat it to hell
unfortunately manufactures make devices thinking that you're going to use them within the limits that they were indented, but you on the other hand like to push it. just remember that your new motor inverter has it's limits as well.
+snaprollinpitts LOL !! the whole idea is to find the limit of everything. This guy finds them all, He found his temper has no limit. LOL That's the best part..
I think you'll find his job is that of a freelance health & safety consultant. Accredited to ISO 900x standard. I also believe he's a qualified electrical / electronics engineer. Not electrician. Engineer. He's not remotely stupid, despite what many post in response to his videos.
When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, pretty soon everything begins to look like a nail.
That’s a great quote.
Under rated.
I loved the demo of the sound of the magnetic field rotating. Amazing!
"And this is what I think of ee-lectronics!"
describes at least half of all PhotonicInduction videos.
"there is satisfying" and later "oohh feal good" 😂
3:51
"So...if you don't want to
see my hammer suddenly come out of nowhere..."
*Hammer suddenly comes out of nowhere*
jon ciobanu when?
@@七星濃-u5o 0:35
Plot twist Photon is Thor 😆😆
@@BenCos2018 Thor ain't avin' it
The little rant at the beginning is the best tbh. Classic Photon.
put the scope on ebay as slightly used lol
haahahahahahahahahahahaa
He wouldn't be wrong
"All guud, just a minor ding on display" 😂
"I'm looking for me f-king hammer right now." LOL
“I AIN’T ‘AVIN IT! WHERE’S MY ‘AMMA?!”
jahhahgahgahahaahahaha
I pissed a professor off in college in the class I took on motors. I sent a motor into runaway, and it destroyed itself. The professor asked how I was going to pay for the motor. I simply said "I already did -- lab fees."
nice
then wat happened
SharkMoto so what has happened
yeah
How did that work for you?
Nice to know I'm not the only person who knows the proper use of a hammer in electronics.
Watching you shed your frustrations made me feel better too. Thanks! now I know I'm not alone.
ye that first inverter is shitty trash
Heh, just been watching all of the old Photon vids and this one has got to have the best intro out of the lot of them :)
I love the sound that motor makes!
Photonicinduction puts the "FRY" in Fridays! Keep up the good work mate!
Damm, thats a verry good motor for a desk ventilator :oD
Kids in Africa could have eaten those electrolytic capacitors!
markg735 Who needs Gatorade for electrolytes when you have electrolytic capacitors?
Nice. Glad to see you were satisfied blowing off some steam, and also really cool to hear that sound of the oscillating magnetic fields making noises like that without the motor even spinning. Indeed that must've come from the windings due to the alternating current supplied by the frequency generator. Anyway awesome video that would blow most people's minds. Wonder how many people wouldn't believe that the motor is actually spinning.
I love the way you deal with anger lol
"That motor can sit there an suffer" and I'm on the floor 😂
everytime he says something about 'ammer or "not havin it" I just can't stop laughing :P
Un freaking believable you can see the artificial three phase in the spark gap. how awesome and interesting!
It's emotion over intellect for this bloke, keep 'im away from sharp objects or even blunt ones as well
closed captioning really makes these vids entertaining!
"One with a couple liquor socks"
Cheaper than therapy. Go Hard Son!!
Really like your videos - I've learned more about electricity since watching your entertaining videos - in particular I really like videos of the old welders and batteries - seeing how they work, understanding how electric induction motors actually work - you do a great job of making that knowledge accessable without being boring! If possible please dig up more old school equipment to pull apart - love it man.
Ah those little Omron VFD's are ace to play with. I love the sound of a motor running off an inverter they make some really odd noises at low speeds! Great vid as ever Photon.
do you mean high frequencies? ye that's probably the switching of the pwm
I really enjoy your videos. After seeing this one, I imaged if they made an episode of Star Trek where they allow you as a passenger. Throughout the episode you'd say things like "This is what I think of electronics!" and sabotage the ship.
Would be an awesome episode. They keep locking you up but you keep breaking all their electronics and escaping - like a gremlin in the machine. But then there comes a point where you save the ship thanks to your know-how - when the engineer says "she can't take any more power cap'n" you could take over and give it more power LOL.
Sounds terrific. What will they call him .? Capt. Photon
Photonics. Actually if they made Star Trick with him in it if it was new Star Trick there would be two Mr. Chekovs as he looks just like him. Mr Chekhov and Mr. Checkyourtemper
Anton Yeltsin looks a bit like. We would have the battle of the accents
And then the entire ship blows up 😂
That was so cool. you could partially see the sinus wave in the arc near the end of the video.
hahaha at 4:05 "now sit there and suffer!"
I like how silent that motor is. Brushed motors of the same speed are just loud.
Ah, J7, played with one of those in school 10 years ago, it was fun. Just use digital inputs to set some preset frequencies also, those are handy sometimes, flip of a switch and you have like 25Hz at once. Btw, increase the low freq voltage in parameters to get more torque, if I remember right it starts with just 12volts near 0Hz to keep magnetic fiux about constant over freq range. But overboosting things is always nice.
"This is for busting my scope!" Then proceeds to bust up the scope himself 😂😂
Great video, pity you didn't pop those juicy caps.
Great to see this motor running at those crazy speeds.
Scopes, I put them on an isolating transformer in case of live v. ground terminals.
Nice that you documented the beginning of the end. When logic and utility went out the window SHAMELESSLY in the name of profit. When the power actually left our hands they’re not trying to help you they’re trying to trick you long enough to make more and more and more money
GE keeps trying to sell me motors on all of PhotonicInduction's videos!
"... & this is for busting my scope!" Lmfao!
Wow, ive never seen a load driven literally through a spark before, thats wonderful
i saw a video about removing electrolytic caps without desoldering. i guess this is another way to do it with a hammer.
I love it, it's a pretty cool and simple intro.
I work at a place where we repair and sell these drives.
Please never stop giving me ideas!! Muhuhuhahahahh!!
Mini inverter welders are probably the best application for IGBTs. Inverter microwave oven is needlessly complicated. Motor drivers with IGBT... your video makes that point.
You're not alone in that opinion as Electrical Engineers go.
That was hilarious seeing that motor one second and then fried the next. 😂
BTW kudos on the hammer bit, now I don't feel like as much of a neanderthal.
Smiling and laughing all the way through, although I had seen this in its original cuts already. PhotonicInductionAndy, you are a great stress reliever to watch!
Thats his attic shop/anger management shop.
Thanks for the entertainment. I laughed so loud. Great job.
Why is it that high power VFD inverters (such as the ones used for train traction motors) make actual audible noise?
The electronic chopper works within the audible range, you can hear the vibrations from that.
+Morten Kristoffersen I would love to write an opera for twelve locos and three tramways :-)
***** I´d buy that CD straight away !
+JanicekTrnecka The OBB 1216 "Taurus" when starting sounds like a piano :-)
A starter'd take some serious popping! An arc welder might do it, but a string of car batteries would probably be a better bet.
Would a diode have saved the oscilloscope from being ruined when connected to the motor? By the way, The Postapocalyptic Inventor has a great video mini series about universal motors. He was also challenged by all the circuitry needed to control them.
Photon, please come back mate!
I feel exactly the same buddy when I'm trying to fix appliances and window ACs to donate. They just had to over complicate everything that still does exactly the same thing it did 50 years ago. It's amazing what a bit of telephone wire and a mercury thermostat can fix or a few toggle switches.
This Vid' is great fun. My Cat watched this Video from start to finish. He had an encounter with a 3 speed hair dryer when he was a Kitten, and I was interested in the conversion to 3 phase, and the high frequency operation. But at the end of the day, the Video proved a scientific phenomenon. It is said that animals don't watch TV because they don't understand a thing that's on it. Now I know differently. My Cat completely understood the bit with the masking tape and the shoe.
This is one of the rather hilariously entertaining ones i have seen yet, scopes are hard for me to come by, e.g. i have never had one, always wanted one, it was superb watching you smash that one in, unexpectedly. And then the motor, suffering, Just GRATIFYING!! JEAHHHH BOYYYYY!
I guess you don’t use smoke detectors in your house. They would always be ringing.
Man I wish we lived close, we would be great friends.
We have a pallet-wrapping machine at work and its motor controllers break every once in a while. The problem is that the setup absolutely depends on the ability to regulate the motors. The machine would have to have complex gearboxes and produce huge current spikes if it was designed without them in place.
That's where the VS is excelling !
Photon: "*Stupid inverters which obviously have to
communicate with the main driver board*"
Motor type: *induction*
Me: That would be a *synchronous motor for you
Responsible...Photon is most responsible. With his knowledge, all is responsible.
this is the only video left to watch untill now........
Hey photon, I'm a bit new to this businesses. For the waves coming out of the generator, are they're more pointed or more like the center graph of sin(x^2)?
Agreed, no brushes, no mechanical friction limits :)
unless the bearings seize
what the difference between VFD, the variable transformer on old fans and them capacitor controled fans?
The good old polyphase induction motor. Tesla, what would we have done without you
Wow!!! I don't expecting that he can do like this. I believed!
Wait, is it normal for frequency generators not to have protection against backfeeding?
That Omron VS J7 must be designed to run motor in open loop V/F. When loaded, the speed falls, the inverter does not know if the speed has really fallen. They are not closed loop (sensorless).
8:41 Good old Slippers still in Action ;)
By the way i love your videos and i watch them all day long. I really appreciate you make these videos. Not everybody is such brave as you to play with this type of electrical components, and also not everyone is such brave enough to overload electrical components as you. I have never seen anyone that is not afraid of playing with seriously dangerous stuff, except for you. I love the vids, once again i said that, and i subscribed. You just made my day. Keep it like this. By the way could you make a video when overloading a larger electric motor? I would prefer to do it somewhere outside if i was you. I am sure pretty sure that it's safer to do it outside your house.
6:58 sounds like a old harddrive :)
6:58
He didn't hit it with a hammer. He gave it a technical tap.
At what frequency does the signal start attenuating or become to high for the motor? That was an awesome vid dude!
*pissed the fuck off* *grabs hammer* *caves in inverters* *happy as fuck*
You should name your hamer killer
Or slegy
Jonathan Lenz Learn to spell hammer
Jonathan Lenz STOP HAMMERTIME.
(He should call it MC Hammer.)
?What was the amperage draw as it climbed above 50hz could you trend it up to the max. 400hz. We need higher freqs. maybe 5k. ?When you hold he rotor and increased the freq. try taking it up to 400 then releasing the rotor. ?will it just stay still, climb rpm slowly, or quickly. Also try putting a load on it like a model plane propeller. You could pull the rotor and place a bearing in it, that's how they used to test field windings after they were rewound.
Lets see how high tech electronics behaves in a Carrington event. You won't need a bigger hammer.
Very interesting how you can lock the rotor and hear the field "spinning".
Oh no. If an induction motor can be just held like that, then I shouldn't use an induction motor for my full electric motorcycle project? How can one start moving me & my bike immediately, if one can be held like that? Or was that one just really weak? Or using very low amps?
I know what batteries I want to use for my bike, I just haven't picked a motor yet. But I know I want it to be brushless.
Great video!
Pick a bigger hammer bro. More satisfaction if its a 1 hit kill :D P.S. I am a mechanic so i get what you are going through :D
nonono, small hammer, MANY blows, get all that frustration out ;)
As long as it does damage every time it`s big enough :p
@@afrog2666 The hammer size really depends on your mood. Small hammer just annoyed. Bigger hammer when pissed off.
Lastly when you have blown your stack you dig out the truly BFH. Somewhere in the 100 ton range and smash the truck that delivered the stupid thing to your bench.
You then go have a beer to cool off.
All a man needs is a trim sledge
R.I.P Generic Motor Inverter
nothing like some hammer therapy :)
When the machines gain sentience, this guy is going to be the clockwork orange version of John Conner....
how did that motor not get overheated with no fan to keep it cool ?
You increase or decrease the frequency of the ac current
Could you do something to run one of those in line blowers from inside s microwave? The kind that has two blowers, one on each side, and runs on a 5 pin connection? There are no videos or websites about them and I would really like to know so I could use it for a forge fan
Going back to the days of Nickola Tesla with photonic induction.....always fun :)
Is the induction motor from a washing machine because I have 3 of them too?
Yeah buddy I fully agree! If I had a frequency modulator (or whatever you'd use to do that, I'm no expert) I'd do it lol. I think that the resistance of the air and also the friction of the moving parts would limit it's speed. Perhaps the centrifical force would rip it apart...it needs to be tested! :D
I like these vids because I know the feeling of frustration with these things so well, I/we always wish we could just ball up and beat the hell out of what we are working on but the $$$ holds us back. Good for you that you go with you emotion at the time and beat it to hell
Will an inverter drive accept an external frequency source, and if so, is it possible to use one as as an amplifier?
Can you pop a starter motor?
connect the fan blades to the induction motor, get some breeze going
I enjoy your work
say, if you would to hand me one of those, i would get a 10 KG sledge hammer to bust it
hi photon how high is your electric bill will all your experiments?
mike skagen not that much because he uses his electricity from batteries what he charges over night.
HAHAHA! The masking tape started to sound like a proper propeller before it ripped to shreds.
You really ought to invest in a deadblow hammer... would make the angst sooo much more satisfying!
how to make dynamo 40 rounds or rpm..?
unfortunately manufactures make devices thinking that you're going to use them within the limits that they were indented, but you on the other hand like to push it.
just remember that your new motor inverter has it's limits as well.
+snaprollinpitts LOL !! the whole idea is to find the limit of everything. This guy finds them all, He found his temper has no limit. LOL That's the best part..
+snaprollinpitts Usually those inverters break after 2 years (when the warranty is over) even when used as intended in their washing machine
@@MrOpenGL Our PlayStation 3 always broke after a few years. Seems like it was well timed as well.
Yeh, great video again! It's made me want to find out more about electronics.)
Are you a powerplant electrical technician/operator?
I think you'll find his job is that of a freelance health & safety consultant. Accredited to ISO 900x standard. I also believe he's a qualified electrical / electronics engineer. Not electrician. Engineer. He's not remotely stupid, despite what many post in response to his videos.
How did you get the motor to catch fire? What voltage did you apply to it?
It's great to see some one almost as crazy as me.
The electrical connections in human heart pop much in the same way.