Defining the DARK Triad
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Defining the DARK Triad
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is a clinical psychologist, the author of several best-selling books, among them "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos," and "Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life," and the host of "The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast." www.jordanbpeterson.com
This clip was taken from the JRE episode #1933 w/Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
Host: Joe Rogan @joerogan
Producer: Jamie Vernon @jamievernon
Guest: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson
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I could listen to these to talk every day. It is relaxing and I learn something. Much love to them
4:21 "people who do a lot of anonymous shitposting are characterized by domination of those 4 traits." Damn. Good insights
U sure about that 🤨
@@masterpieces2218yes that person is sure
@@guiandre9347 but r u sure about that 🧐🧐🧐
hearing jordan say anonymous shit posting actually made me chuckle
Not sure if that is a good observation... because actually making fun of something brightens the day and gives joy and brings some energy to a lame conformist environment of lazy and unmotivated complainers
For all the kindness, gentle, humble, honor stuff we talk.......the machievellian triad psychopathy pays off in this world. They climb to the top with power, success, finance, and women.
Or more often, die trying
Right. They rule the world.
@@wearereligion2489 Someone has todo it. Although they rule many aspects of the material world there are higher realms they cannot enter because there dark and hedonistic nature rules, numbs and limits them
@@doctorlego111 and they are? Quantify them with evidence of some kind. Otherwise it's simply something we hope to be true.
@@doctorlego111 I'd like to believe that, but those explanations always came from me because I was/am jealous of what they had yet I act too timid to acquire what they have, so I demonize those that have what I want.
Jordan Peterson has so much valuable / implementable knowledge which comes in terms of scientific facts/ data/ theory but leads to (or at least can) an increase of wisdom to the individual. Or even better he is pointing out sprecific patterns so you know where to look, see by yourself and build your OWN opinion on certain conjuncture in your life.
But he is a full human being not just a fact spiting robot.
So Science will be what it should be - the slave not the master.
The only problem is he is strongly biased. Even when his description perfectly describes Donald Trump.
@@jimgodofbiscuits Well, it's not his best interest to assess a political figure by their personality traits but rather what they have on the tabel and in their store as long as it cater for the greator good, just the overarching political trajectory if you will
@@mike_theskinny8646 He is pro maga.
I love that Jordan Peterson keeps up on the urban dictionary.
My ex husband was like this...had all the dark triad traits and was sadistic. He enjoyed hurting me and never felt actual remorse. He would say he was sorry but would act like nothing happened. The physical abuse was very bad but the psychological abuse destroyed me. He completely broke me and five years later, I'm still trying to recover. People like him are free in our society and out there to hurt others. It terrifies me knowing what he's capable of.
Might being doing it to you. Others might ignore him. Being scared gives him power over you.
There's also low & high for each of the legs of the triad.
For example - Machiavellian. A low Machiavellian will take advantage of you if given an opportunity whereas a high Machiavellian will seek to manipulate you into doing something that they then benefit from.
18 months ago, I had a low Machiavellian take advantage of me - they made a promise 12 months earlier. I know for a fact they never had any intention of keeping just to better their position.
Dr. Peterson studies and has studied the Nazi mindsets. He continues to help us understand, by explaining how it occurs. He luckily is not an “unhealthy hero” or he would be enslaving others with it. The fact he has prospered financially, was / is a byproduct. His initial and continued engagement in such, has been a choice, regardless of the cost, possibility his own health, to lend understanding.. just as Rogan. No coincidence that they “work” together. Dynamic Duo indeed. Love seeing these brothers together.
❤❤❤
Americans are worse than Those you speak of 😂 ironically
We had a terrible incident here in Nova Scotia where Gabriel Wortman was engaged in 22 Homicides. On April 18th, 2017 we had 13 Hours from hell. I would be fascinated to know Jordan's take on that day in Portapique, Nova Scotia. It was like Gabriel was out of control. 😢
Ppl dont realize you can be a conscious sadist or an unconscious sadist. If a person is rather shallow intellectually, so rarely applies empathy or foresight towards others... they can easily be consistently engaging in LULZ (LOLz) culture without even being conscious that their behavior is that of a sadistic individual. The fact that it is online adds another component of detachment to the equation.
Ok sadist 🙄
Thanks, Doc. Can't wait to read more of your works.
I'd heard Dr. Peterson talk about the big five personality traits ten or so times. I found an (utterly unscientific, I know) assessment online. Very informative.
Hey could you share it or lmk what to type on google to get this assessment
Is there an end to how smart is this man? Unbelievable
no, and yes to comment and question.
he aint that smart my guy
@@dripstein6130 definitely smarter than u
Bill C-11 forced be Dark Triad justin turdeau will try.
...and his ability to communicate it, brilliant. Also, Joe's creative interviewing skills and interest in the topic. It's a magical combination.
Always speaking With no script….explains what he says….like he has a photographic memory of EVERYTHING HE EVER READ…..about every single thing is important to ponder, 99.99999 percent correct. And the confidence to speak to a huge audience with so many of their OWN opinions that you can throw a rock and hit any subject he can debunk or agree. And he doesn’t care which. Factual almost to a fault.
I know I would never want to be in a conversation with him…..i would rather just listen. I pick everything that I need to hear at that particular time. THEN GO BACK and find things I didn’t think about in the first lecture. Which is a great thing to do with ANY lecture you stumble upon. He fascinates me
stop with the limiting beliefs. he can do it. why not you
It's not that big of a deal, manipulation is now a norm but the dark triads well they just blend in. Ever wonder why your life sucks? Think about it maybe its not you. Do what you will with this information any questions let me know
@@LARVIS-wv9km
I’ll give that a good going over too. Thanks for your insight 🤷♀️ cause everything is confusing now.✌️
@@Earthangel63 since the vitalization of shorts and TikTok manipulation is not a secret anymore just an everyday occurance now but a new breed of darker tactics evolved
@@decadeyt5891
Jeez, I was giving him a compliment he’s fast on his feet , not saying his overall vision of anything is good or bad….just that Id never go tit for tat with him.
And I must say “ he can do it,why not you “.
Reminds of “ I’m rubber you’re glue “. 🙄
That Suit is so clean Dr Peterson is swaggin hard 😂🔥
My life has been nearly ruined due to an ex who defines the dark triad. It's downright scary to stand up against her. Every time I did I paid for it
Damn what did she do?
She's probably just resentful you didn't beat her ass
Tell us more details
@@lopsidedgap what do you want to know? It's a long story and hard to explain some of it in text without it being a book. Took my daughter on lies, she works in the courthouse and family has money so I had to sell my house for a small profit to afford a lawyer. Lawyer didn't help much... just milked me for every last dollar I had. Ex lies ALOT regarding who I am and what I do. It's as if the things she's guilty of doing and saying was flipped around and she said I did and said those things. She hit me a couple times, once in the face (she was bigger than me) said I neglected my daughter, etc. I had a great relationship with my kids and never laid a hand on her or them. She got a restraining order against me saying I harassed her yet I haven't even seen, texted, called her in almost 3 years now... somehow keeps getting it renewed. I pay $1800 a month in support and earn sub $60k a year... which has caused me to sell off and lose everything I had worked so hard for. It just feels hopeless that's a rough summary but the details are just so twisted and it's hard to make sense of what she is actually doing and/or had done and said. She has a lengthy criminal history or violence and forgery, felonies etc. my record is clean. She tried to file DV charges against me for my throwing my cell phone at a door one night... more legal nonsense and money. Case was dropped. I don't know I miss my kids and have nothing to even attempt getting a lawyer
@@bonkerzisgood spoiler, his testicles are missing
Jordan is in excellent shape here. I'm so glad to see that!
Who are you? His personal trainer?
he is fresh off a benzo bender but w/e you think is right, broski
He’s a pure STUD
@@nomad583he was unknowingly becoming addicted to benzo’s because he was prescribed. He got help, now he’s stronger because of it. Dr. Peterson is a GOD SEND to young men.
In human needs psychology the triad is state management.
How you feel is your emotional state, your emotional state is made of 3 things
How you move
How you speak
What you focus on
Think about it .. we all play emotional charades 😅
I have a performance strongman show on this.
Maaaan, I remember taking a psychology course back in college and studying Sigmund Freud and other psychology books, stuff is definitely interesting. I encourage everyone to take a course or read a book, you will learn alot about the people around you and even yourself and your habits. ✌🏼
Not true. Read books from authors like J.P College just covers conditioning and mental illness. Most therapists are just as miserable as their patients.
The vibe I get is that technology is always going to benefit the bad type of person more than the good. Scary thought.
Because the good people are receptive to it but the good will live on because evil can only erode.
He just explained 4chan in under 8 minutes 😂😂
Just because of these videos we have envious weak men using mental health issues to harm humans and when they figure out the consequences of their actions they cry am mentally ill
4chan has morals some bad apple's but they're mostly good. Court jester's to the King and all that
He's on his game!
Society makes excuses for amoral behavior if the person is good looking or rather it is more likely to be overlooked by society and wmn
Also Money - Lots of money
Yes
The default is hostility
Lmao no they dont
That's y I rather change .
We had a terrible incident here in Nova Scotia where Gabriel Wortman was engaged in 22 Homicides. On April 18th, 2017 we had 13 Hours from hell. I would be fascinated to know Jordan's take on that day in Portapique, Nova Scotia. It was like Gabriel was out of control. 😢
I have all of these horrible traits and women have literally told me "i find it so attractive that your such a bad guy"
🤔
I detect bait and misinformation...
Doesn’t last long mate
Either its bait or hes good looking. @InfinitumPueri
The back sabbath riff in the song Black Sabbath. Now that’s a dark triad!
Are my eyes going or is his suit red and blue? LOL
It is. One side for heaven one for hell. Their is even a video with joe where he describes the suit
They are indeed two colors 😊
I am very disappointed that the pants are 1 colour
@@Maarsmals mine too......brown.
Canadians are weirdos
He just described Justin Turdeau and the WEF
He explained both sides...
That jacket gives some real Sheogorath vibes. I like it.
Y'all really don't watch the entire video. JP specifies that just making jokes and trolling online are not of themselves what make you a part of the triad.
It's a combination of several indicators and a history of habit.
So keep trolling but pay attention to how often and how harmful it is
Who learned about machavelianism from tupac
Unwilling to put in the effort required to build genuine self esteem (by doing the basics that others are willing to work on, like meditation/prayer, eating right, getting exercise, pursuing goals/hobbies, daily affirmations, etc)… NPD's gain their (fake AF) sense of self worth by crushing/collapsing the self worth of others.
Bro hes just spitting facts. You also just have to play an ego shooter (like VALORANT) and you observe all these little rats online who curse and say the most unmoral things which you could not imagine in real life.
bro the spectrum of humanity goes beyond 13-17 year old boys filled with hormones your analogy is stupid BRO
bro fell for the peterson grift lmao how can you not realize this a part of his own machiavellian move to get anonymity banned on twitter, he literally switched from academic lecturing mode to right wing pill popper reactionary spiel midway thru the vid and you feel his whole energy and tone and everything shift
@@susanthejew6351 😂
Dark triad traits are also hidden in the shadow. The shadow is a collection of creative, expressive, intrusive thoughts with antisocial behavior, as described by Carl Jung. He stated that awareness and acceptance of these traits leads to integration, greater self awareness, and growth.
I think this is a real issue.an unintended effect of social media
Never forget the lessons and sacrifices to help under stand: Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli
0:40 Joe Rogan would never use the word “malevolent” (he didn’t know it before this interview!).
This is peak hate 😂
Learn to use Machiavellian traits to deal with these people. You don't have to become that person just get out of that situation so you can let your guard down.
A scammer made a copycat facebook account of one of my dads old friends. He was 70 something and called me in his room help him send his "friend" some money. The person wasn't wasnt texting like older person tends to text. It was just off. Thank goodness i realized and when i looked there were two identical accounts on his friends list, and the one asking for money was a brand new account. Same profile pic as my dads friend and everything. Usually the scams are obvious but this one was scarily not.
Dude I can’t believe he brought back lulz i was around when anonymous ended i remember them writing their goodbye on torrentz and then lulz was just a younger group who decide hey annoy really had all this power they didn’t use lets use t for personal profit from ego to money.
That triad describes TFG perfectly.
These people with the dark tetrad are terrifying. Schadenfreude; Your woe is my joy!
“Lulz” is an abbreviation for schadenfreude
J Peterson is awesome!!!! I think it's hilarious if he explains something he learned in his field of studies, people on this comment clip gets their feelings hurt and call him a narcissist 🤣🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
they just prove his point by doing that 😂😂
"Are assessments of others merely reflections of one's own self-analysis, or do they stem from professional evaluation?"
This is a very fascinating approach on looking at various types of social activity and motives root causes and what seems like trying search for valid perspective/s pertaining
To social climate conflicts with in a given society and technological variants involved in social interaction
Seems like a metaphysics topic but I know all to well that that terminology often when a topic comes up that deals in cause identity being knowing time and spam that will likely deal in so many different perspectives when talked about by two or more you might at well look at the topic in question like it was written before a broken mirror put together to serve as a infinity mirror
What happens between men that stops such behaviour, and is not happening on social media, has not been happening much between women for a long time. Anyone that has been a parent of a young female who has gone through the torment of school knows this is true. And IMO it is far more often than males, that females display the classic dark triad patterns of behaviour in their everyday lives. Social media has enabled those males that are bent towards dark triad behaviours, but it has amplified those behaviours in females. Social media is the problem and it aint going away anytime soon.
I had teachers who were honest about that: breaking up a fight between two dudes wasn't that bad, because they're mostly showing off or establishing dominance. Girls fighting are/were out for blood.
I wonder how many of the CPO administrators who decided to try to cancel JP's license have these traits? I think they need to be analyzed for the public safety.
They are the worker bees. Not even close to the top
i just read a whole bunch of wiki pages about dark triad before getting this video as suggestion
I love his jacket
Being good looking and wealthy helps a lot. You can get away with almost anything especially if you have a bit of intellect.
Important
he is right but the problem is there is no way to stop it unless we created private online networks where people are vetted as to who has access to them which nobody wants to do because it would decrease profits
We stop it by educating ourselves to be better human beings then instilling those lessons into our offspring. We got this way by being selfish. We end it by being selfless.
How about people's disgusting obsession with other people...? It drives success in psychopaths / narcissists because they're obsessed with themselves...
Host(s) : Parasite(s)
you'd have tro create the demand for that
No, you oust them.
@@greggaldridge Live is full of paradox. Violence is a devilish circle, but everyone who faced bullying at their school understand that most of the times if you don't stand up for your self and defend your self from the bully, your school life would be hell in the rest of the years.
There's people in this world who would targeting you just because you are look weak. Taking your stuff just because they know you wouldn't do anything about it. Hurt you just because they're think it's fun and entertaining for them.
That's why there's fine line between being violent to self defense, with being violent to manipulating, gaslighting, and profiting from people.
Machiavelli normalizing violence and war because that's his reality, the way he grew up, his understanding how to survive, because being part of the nobles and noble society basically just like swimming in a shark tank.
I don't want my future kids living in hellish toxic society like that. Dysfunctional humanity with so many mental health issues. Human can be the worst monster. Evil parasite monsters, who preying their own kind.
It's not about what happened to us in our life. But how do we react to it, and what is our choice about that. Our character, integrity, accountability, self control, self awareness, self respect. Modern society lost the art of how to be a human. Humanize human.
Not preying and antagonizing each other.
However, heroes are born in difficult times. Heroes are not naive selfless martyr, but people who stand up not only defend them self, but also genuinely helping people who can not help them self.
I like his joker suit
Bruh has a two face suit on lol I appreciate this unique fellow
I like his suits.
Yeah... Joe how are you? ;)
imagine the power you have when u master the dark triad
No no no. You're getting this wrong. Never ever do this. Don't even attempt. I warn you. People have already suffered enough. The world is already horrible with those evil people. Don't cause more suffering.
@@jenniferjuarris1824 theres a right way to do it, but its only possible when ur living in ur own world and force yourself not to be interested in others
That just gonna end going against of you
@@mewho3409 nope, read the first words of my second comment again
The dark triad of personality
My best friend is a psychiatrist and she told me that i am a dark triad.
So much yes for Jordan Peterson
Diggin the Harvey Dent get up tho...
03:40
Joe who is both a fighter/mma enthusiast and joker/comedian( basically both love on joking at other's expense AND knocking people out):
"I don't think it's sadist"
“Instagram for example…”
Wonder why he didn’t mention Twitter/X?
That suit is unbelievably hard
Never did I imagine myself ever hearing Jordan Peterson talk about “shitposting”… hahaha 🤣 😆
How do I fix having it?
3:36 I’m still working at wrapping my head around the reality that my husband is a narcissist. He fits nearly all the characteristics. Adding this dark triad, or dark empath angle fills in a lot of the missing pieces that weren’t making sense.
I’m a little confused on some of the Machiavellian and extroverted angle. My soon to be ex has always claimed he’s an introvert. And he definitely prefers being home reading the news over anything else, though he also fancies himself a prophet… he can be introspective, but I think with the narcissist side, that only goes as deep as he’s willing to accept that reality, preferring his false self that he’s created. There’s a significant religious aspect that most people don’t seem to address when dealing with narcissism, so I think that adds to my confusion.
Can a dark empath be essentially an introvert? Can he lie to himself enough to think that he’s being self reflective? Meanwhile he’s treating everyone else around him like shit, demanding praise for merely existing, demanding the obedience of a Christian wife, even to the point of manipulating me into allowing him to have a second wife? Claiming it’s God’s will, and even trying to add more wives claiming that’s also God’s will when God hasn’t provided an appropriate living space for her?
I’m so glad I finally left, but unburying myself from two and a half decades of abuse is taking awhile.
I believe he is truly an introvert but the idea of an introvert isn’t very appealing to the outside world. Narcissists are pretty boring people to be honest after the phase is over to win you over. You probably saw a spark in him when around people, that’s the extroversion coming out so he can be appealing. A true extrovert isn’t going to sit around and read the news all the time. That fractured individual, the hurt part on the inside of him is the true introvert. When he was in need of supply or when people are watching, it’s show time.
Dark empath is just a term used for someone that is really good at using a mix of cognitive empathy and what little bit of emotional empathy that he has to gain advantages in a situation and they have good insight into what others are thinking. I think pretty much all dark triad individuals are some type of dark empath, on different levels. Him being introverted doesn’t affect the ability for him to be a dark empath and be good at it. Now for introspection, I believe his ability to observe externally was good, it has to to be dark triad. Anyone with ASPD is NOT good at introspection. He might have thought he was, but you know that difference.
You just wrote a paragraph about how your Husband who you chose to marry has X Y Z wrong with him. Sure you aren't part of the issue?
Got me despising my own shit
I already assumed psychopathic and narcissistic pathology has a big part of the political jigsaw.
Schadenfreuden- getting enjoyment out of other peoples pain and loss. They ARE out there.
Joe obviously quite likes partaking in a few lulz as he instantly got his back up.
Nowadays it's only a matter of time until getting hacked it looks like
Imagine if we had Tesla doing this 👏
The world is full of A-holes. The trick is... Well, i dont know.
I agree with Peterson on a lot.
But as far as I can tell, he's saying you have to have built yourself up enough financially as a man in order to be able to withstand being cancelled. So it follows, if you haven't built yourself up financially to the point where you can afford to post publicly online using your actual identity and risk being cancelled, you don't get to post online.
Hmmmm. Just a few problems with this line of thinking. Quite the slippery slope of who gets the right to post online and who would be silenced.
He just has to learn to ignore the shitposting ... You're never going to solve/stop it.
@John Haney I agree with your statement that the average person can't afford to be cancelled. But it doesn't then follow that the average person needs to get himself into a financial position where they can afford to be cancelled prior to having a voice to speak freely.
This is what Peterson is advocating from what I can tell with his position that anyone posting online needs have their identity verified. That is just wrong on so many levels. Who is doing the "verifying"? Just one of many rabbit holes/problems his position leads to.
@@Larry_Sycamore Peterson has really lost the plot since joining DW+. His statements are just not thought through to the level of rigour we expected from him. Too bad.
@@johnhaney8553 cope lol, he could barely keep it informative and objective for half the vid before flipping to old man yells at cloud pill popper mode, he has fallen far from grace
You lil nacrs just hate being called out.
The Bible defines humor in two classes. He He vs Ha Ha. Sarah Abraham’s wife mocked and scoffed when the Angel of God said she (at 90 yrs old) would have a son. She said Ha.! After the child was indeed born God said He He heee.
JP speaks more truth than the rest of the media combined ... but why the blue and red suit?
Reminds me of Yung somehow. You know , The Shadow and such.
Yes❗
My mother
All my family including me
Well as Peterson found out there are consequences to shit posting online after all 😂
That suit is so cool lmao
I'm pretty sure lolz came from online gaming, I saw it being said mostly in World of Warcraft. But I can see where these things can evolve, that was over a decade ago
like isnt there a difference between trolling and sadism lmao
it's so ironic that he hyperbolizes shitposting as the death of society, and then immediately I scroll down and see comments like "I love that Jordan Peterson keeps up on the urban dictionary." and "Are my eyes going or is his suit red and blue? LOL" 😂
Boomers will be boomers I guess.
What will be the antidote ladies???…. This can be the animals we are attracted to and recreating!! Be discerning sisters. OUR futures depend on it!
Is it really worth what we suffer to be with these types of men? Moreover, the heartbreak CAN continue with OUR children, the future. It’s so very important we get a handle on this sisters and brothers. ⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰
It is their nature. Do not harbor resentment, just understand and act based upon what you learn. You cannot change anyone, you must determine whether the juice is worth the squeeze, and it usually is not.
I have met atleast 3 sub clinical psychopaths in my life and a number of narcissists.
The level of negativity and toxicity radiating from these people is virtually indescribable
Are you qualified to assess and diagnose these people or are they simply your own convenient judgements?
@@jakotae Good point. As a famous psychologist and philosopher said: "Everyone that I don't like is a sociopath"
Virtually indescribable = i am too stupid to explain something i do not understand
Can’t believe he made
It through the interview
Without Crying 😭.😏
Thats a great suit jordan
Jordan Peterson discovers trolling
Couldn't decide what color suit to wear?
“ he’s a good person👈 👉 he’s a malevolent person” said Jordan Peterson while dressed like Harvey 2Face Dent
Oh so this was what he meant by that tweet. Huh. Makes sense.
It's true. It's like the guy at work who would only talk like that cuz he knows you can't do anything cuz ur at work but would never never have the guts to say something like that outside of work 😂 and the macavellianism helps me stay cool 😎😂
JP is pushing for the removal of anonymity on the internet. The core function of what made the internet great and allowed freedom of speech to thrive. I used to love him years ago but he has changed for the worse lately.
He’s wrong about one thing dude. Doesn’t mean you have to throw everything out. I hate this attitude people have on the internet where as soon as someone has one bad take or they say one thing they don’t agree with the person is immediately done for and needs to be erased
Why are there soooo many ads for violent shooting games Before the start of any of the youtube videos?
RUclips asks me about adult content, Blocks stuff that is inappropriate for children.But every single time I turn on some sort of video.Just to watch the video I have to watch a violent cartoon shoot stuff....
Thats your adds mate, algorithms based on your searching (or someone's from your house) and possibly on what you say around your phone, maybe You watched eg. some war movie and "it" "defined" You as a fan of this kind of entertainment, based on the sound of shooting. Thats only my guess, cause I do not see any adds like those you mentioned and it is not problem of youtube itself.
Read the book programmed to kill
Funny enough, all those aspects can be applied on Ben Shapiro
ME MYSELF AND I = BRATZ
I didnt know Joe interviewed Harvey Dent.
MAC
Yea Robert Hare is bad ass
The troll demons have 0 effect on Peterson
Textbook case of dark triad : Modi, (Indian Prime Minister)