Secret of Monkey Island Speedrun History
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
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00:00 Welcome to Monkey Island
02:06 The First Speedrun (in 720p)
09:44 Not a Real Speedgame?
11:10 A Pirate's Way of Life
15:23 UrQuan's ScummVM
21:15 X Marks a New Route
23:06 These spades be frozen
26:58 Bending the RNG
32:42 Hmm...
35:56 Reverse Course
39:58 Obligatory Numbered List
41:46 Back to Sea
44:28 Time Capsule 
Игры
13:56 Someone dug into the scripts and confirmed that, yes, it's the framerate: forums.mixnmojo.com/topic/200473-speedruns/#comment-2791759
15:23 Changes have been very recently implemented in the official ScummVM daily builds to fix these timing issues. Once these get released officially, runners may no longer have to use fan-made forks to speedrun LucasArts games.
21:30 MilkToast almost exclusively runs Amiga versions because he has an emotional connection with that platform. Amiga versions of games are almost always slower than their DOS counterparts. MilkToast enjoys the routing aspect of speedrunning, so he normally begins by routing a game himself without looking at guides or other runs. Let this be a reminder for speedrunners to not just look at the world record for guidance.
26:40 You may be wondering why Leo moves forwards, even though the layout makes it impossible to move in any direction. It seems that sometimes, if you exit without moving first, the game doesn't always register it as a correct exit, even if that was the correct way to go. This has not been confirmed definitively, however.
26:58 There is one thing I wish I would have pointed out. In the original game, you could save whenever you wanted to. You just had to go through a menu and it took a second or two. I didn't mention it because, as an old-school adventure gamer, this was obvious to me. (That's my fault for not mentioning it.) So, the difference between using save / load strats on original hardware vs. using quicksaves would be a small matter of time per save/load, and not a completely different feature. Some people in the comments have characterized quicksave strats as "cheating." If people have the opinion that it shouldn't be allowed because it wasn't strictly available in the original, that's fine. I don't run the game, so I don't have a stake in it either way, personally. But calling it "cheating" seems like an exaggeration to me.
27:48 When spade started his stream and used save strats for the first time, Leo started his stream as well at the same time to try to beat him to the punch. However, he was not successful in getting a PB.
31:02 Leo's time would have been the saveless world record right after the split, except that he saved ONE time, right before the Carla fight, making his run second in the saves category.
34:41 You might also be wondering if it's possible to manipulate the RNG seed. LeoLitz looked into this in 2019, and it appeared (at that time) that the RNG seed is set by the number of milliseconds between opening ScummVM and loading your game. This is too precise for a human to get reliably. We couldn't confirm this fact in time for the video, however, which is why it's not in there.
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IIRC Amiga is 50 fps while VGA is 60 or so, might be the reason for the speed difference
@@helpimadog-speedruns8606 Are you actually a dog, and, if so, what kind of help do you need?
@@shinyhappyrem8728 Its common in Europe to play the PAL version of an Amiga game (50fps), but there is a switch on every Amiga which lets you manually change between PAL and NTSC (US-Standard 60FPS). A lot of games back then were developed in europe and optimized for PAL (TSOMI not of course), you still can play those in NTSC, but this will mostly cut off a certain amount of the screen (due to the different resolutions used)and can produce some graphical glitches. Back then my 49m run was on PAL, but my current run is using the NTSC version and its way faster...still its slower then DOS, but there are more disadvantages on the Amiga like no dot skip (you can only speed up the dialog) and other things (also I am just not as good as the other runners). So Yes you are right, but it can be evened out mostly.
@@retrospeedruns777 I don't know man why do you only have one eye? (I'm guessing you were putting in a contact lens when...). What classifies as short? Why don't you read messages before the messenger.
The bit where Steve says Leo found the beach warp, FrozenSpade says Steve found it, and then Leo says FrozenSpade found it, is so funny.
I love how there's no one trying to claim that they did it first to claim some kind of internet glory. The speedrunning community is so wholesome.
@@Havokwreaker nope, it is just impossible to gain any internet glory by saying i did it, when all others say my friend x did it. You just gain much more in every aspect by saying that my friend did it at this point. If someone want glory and flattery, and positive fame he must say my friend x did it, in any other case he will be a bad guy. Even if one of them is 100% sure that he found it he just cant say it online, because of people expectations at this point. It is strange but people in recent years give "internet glory" to guys who are shy and humble, so if any materialist or realist want "glory" he must fit with expectations and by humble and shy. Any other decision will create negative reactions and take "glory" away. (Glory is a bit weird word, it schuld be just positive image or something)
@@adrianrybarczyk7902 Nope, nobody's sure, so any of them could just claim it was themselves and get the glory.
@@wheedler nope, if any of them would say anything other than my friend x did this, they will gain only negative feedback, because people expect humble and shy runners. Even if one of them know that he found it 100% we will never hear that, because at this point only way to gain any glory is acting like nk e dude who want to give credit to someone else. This will give them "glory" and any statement other than my friend x did it will end badly for anyone claming anything.
@@adrianrybarczyk7902 I understand your point, and thank you for your thoughts. In this case, there were plenty of examples during the interviews where runners happily took credit for finding a strat. Also, these interviews were done independently, so none of them knew what the others were saying about it. I genuinely think that they just didn't remember.
great video despite my mic sounding like I was speaking from the bottom of the ocean, I'll buy a new one at some point I promise.
We can start a GoFundMe. ;)
Credit Early is one of those strategies that always comes up in relevant speed running histories. There’s a trick that could save time, but is obviously too tedious, luck-based, or difficult to try seriously.
So eventually everyone tries it seriously.
See also: "This trick was TAS-only. Until..."
Love the interviews with the runners. It's weird how few Speedrun History videos on RUclips do this, yet it adds so much.
Its why i like short eyes videos a lot more than other speedrun histories. they feel authentic and not just a retelling of stuff. Similar thing with speedrun histories where the person also speedruns the game. It just makes for a better experienec
I'm so glad FrozenSpade came back. Not even for his later achievements really, mainly just, I totally understand how much of a burnout the leaderboard split would cause. As upsetting as something like that is, it takes a lot of bravery to return and admit "Okay, sorry, it maybe wasn't such a big deal after all. I want to come back to the community regardless." And I feel his return made Spade and everyone else a lot happier too! He certainly seems like such a lovely guy, and I'm just happy that he made the decision to come back to his friends after all.
I'm happy you thought so. Spade is a great guy, and was really kind during our conversations. As a small point of clarification, I probably should have made this clearer, but Spade didn't leave the community entirely. He was still running other Lucasarts games, just not Secret of Monkey Island. He is and always has been a very valuable member of the adventure game speedrunning scene.
The way OneShortEye adds "talking head" interviews to his speedrun videos makes them feel perfectly, authentically like an adventure-game-speedrun video should. I feel like I want to click through these speedrunners' dialogue trees and ask what they know about voodoo.
Great work as always!
I think it's nice to put names to faces. I've watched several speedrunning documentaries that, while good, I had trouble following because I couldn't relate to the runners as people. so that's where the decision to include interviews came from.
@@OneShortEye keep it up man, it really does make it a lot more engaging
@@OneShortEye It's a real Behind The Music feel.
@@OneShortEye even Summoning Salt has started using a graph with color-coded entries for different runners to track the WR and it getting swapped back and forth, for instance.
Bunch of damn liars!
What I like about your videos is that you actually give the runners time to talk and show their own personalities. Great job!
They were incredibly kind and it was great getting to speak to them.
That's my favorite part of these videos, and it makes them much more enjoyable (and rewatchable).
Just for anyone interested: LeoLitz beat frozenspade's time by another 18 seconds on May 28th, pushing the time down to 27m 12s.
He even mentioned this video at the end of his run!
Yep! Leo was kind enough to wait until the day after this video came out. ;)
@@OneShortEye looks like it is now 26m 50s since 11.07.2022
Getting a world record at a big life event is awesome.
Also I would really love to see Fate of Atlantis because it was both shown in this video and I have actually played it.
Fate of Atlantis might be good to do at some point. I'm only a little bit familiar with it, but I know people love the game. It would also give me another excuse to put ChuckGrody in a video, lol
@@OneShortEye It also features multiple routes and I'm curious if the Speedruns will prefer one route as time goes on or if different people run different routes that better suit their abilities.
@@OneShortEye Fate of Atlantis is gorgeous. Along with the Monkeys, it's one of my all-timers. Classic Lucas is just magical.
I've never looked into running it, but I imagine there's also some interesting nitty-gritty there, what with the three different playstyle options (it looked like the runners you showed were playing the fighting path, which probably isn't surprising) and potentially a bit of safe-cracking action with the stone wheel code system that opens the various tombs. Also, as I said, it's just beautiful in places such as the endgame sequence. TL;DR I'd watch the heck out of any video you might make on it.
@@OneShortEye You haven't paid me for the last 6 videos I was in.
@@SageOwl send me yr paypal
oh HELLLL YEAH NEW ONESHORTEYE ESSAY STYLE VIDEO!!!!!!! Time to sit down and listen while I draw and learn about something I know nothing about so intently.
Amazing video and what a way to wrap up the current Secret of Monkey Island history with that Time Capsule run. I can't imagine how good that felt for the community.
Everyone I talked to remembered that moment very vividly. It was great getting to talk to them about it.
The absolute elation i felt seeing this in arrive in sub box in my office at work right now.
Great video. I remember playing this with my buddy when we were kids in 1993 and loving it. We had no guide and no internet to search so we had to brute force it all the way. We got stuck for a week on the boat to Monkey Island. The problem was that we had to open a box of cerial we had been carrying around in our inventory the whole time!
That speed glitch is actually mindblowing. Are there any other games where you move faster when skipping the opening titles at exactly the right moment?
Kinda kidding kinda genuinely curious
I really can't believe how great this channel is. I had practically zero interest in this stuff. But these documentaries are so compelling - with so much human interest and tension and release - that they are crazy enjoyable. I mean that GDQ world record was a kind of mad twist or peak moment. So good.
Those are extremely kind words. Glad you're enjoying.
Honestly, seeing how even old games that people think wouldnt have more ways to optimize getting absolute bent and destroyed for even a fraction of a second less is hella entertaining. Thanks for making this kind of videos short eye
One of my first ever video games and still one of my favorites to this day! Even beyond the speedrunning context, it was great learning all the little quirks the game had such as Guybrush's speedup when you skip the logo at the right time and the multi-responses against Carla. Speedrunning adventure games definitely seem like a mundane experience on the surface, but you really do gain more appreciation behind the effort and skills required with the game's intricacies, alongside overcoming the dreaded RNG. Fantastic video, always happy to see how you can put a spotlight to these point & click classics.
Before I watched this video, I had never seen a Monkey Island™ speedrun. This was amazing. That GDQ run had me hyped when early credit happened.
Big shout-outs to all the Monkey island runners. Every Monkey Island speedrun they've met they've annihilated.
I'm shaking, I'm shaking.
"My name's Guybrush Threepwood and I want to be a pirate!"
"Yikes"
I found this video super cute for some reason.
The fact that an obscure game being run and challenged by a tiny community and then the ending when they get to show it off.. Second video I have seen by you and I know where the rest of my night is about to go...
Nice!
Banger upload! Let's fucking goooo 🥳
Thank you as always my dude 💕
Thank you for watching!
I love both you and Summoning Salt's videos a lot but you uniquely having interviews in these vids is so fun and personable and really brings the passion people have for speedrunning to the forefront so it's easier for folks to understand why all of this is so cool even if they'd never even thought about speedrunning themselves. Legit felt a little emotional when he quoted Picard lol. Hope this isn't weird to say but LeoLitz is cute! His voice is so gentle.
Yours is one of the very few "speedrun history" channels in which videos for games I've never played are just as engaging as those for games with which I'm familiar.
Thanks for sharing your art!
That's very touching, and I appreciate the kind words.
@@OneShortEye I appreciate the fascinating videos!
Despite me having zero complaints previously, the massive jump in the quality of your production, scripting, and editing did NOT go unnoticed. I hope you're immensely proud of what you've made.
This is seriously super well done. First time I've seen one of these speedrun history videos that includes so many interviews from the actual runners. Great VO work too.
This is one of my most favorite games. Damn, just absolutely amazing in every way
The video I didn’t know I needed but has fixed me
This channel is going to blow up and its totally deserved. This category of games that you wouldn’t think to speedrun is so interesting to learn about and I am all for it. Keep it up man, I am here for it!
Your speedrun histories really capture the community surrounding a game. You've also really improved the animations and visualizations of tricks and strats. Crushed it!
The interviews and runner commentary really add a lot to your videos. They're an aspect of your channel I very much appreciate. Great video!
This is really well edited! Importantly, not over-edited either. Fantastic work man, very well put together, great presentation! :D
There are a bunch of Speedrun /world record progression creators on RUclips now, but I want to point out how wonderful it was for you to get the runners in the community to talk about themselves and each other. Spotlighting the real humans in the speed community is wonderful and enlightening and makes for terrific storytelling.
Great work, looking forward to more like this!!
Thank you! It's more work getting the interviews put together, but I think it's worth it.
Love this game, and your videos. I've been hoping you'd cover this game sometime! Props to the amazing community around all these classic games
another excellent video, OSE! so happy to have been a part of this one
I really appreciated you and the other runners taking the time to speak with me!
This was SUCH a fun video. I loved the interviews. I used to love this game back when i was a kid! So fun to see it still being played 😄
This was already one of my favorite channels and I wasn't even a huge fan of the King's/Space Quest games... but I freakin LOVE Monkey Island! Cheers oneshorteye, this is a dream come true :)
I'm very happy you're excited about it. :)
Great video, as always
i love watching these sort of speedrun history videos - the various communities seem so relaxed around each other and have an adorable friendship!
Man I missed that Time Capsule so I was not expecting the video to end on such a huge note! Great work!
This is a damn good and well made video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So interesting watching these - never would have imagined people speedrunning these types of games.
People speedrun every type of game.
I was very happy to see my all-time favorite game being featured on your channel and done with such passion and care. Absolutely top notch script, video and sound editing. And you even made subtitles. :)
I think it is just so rad that folks are speedrunning these adventure games, but I feel it is absolutely stellar that we have someone making these videos explaining and cataloging their journeys. Thank you so much for making these!!
Literally started binging your videos yesterday and I'm already graced with another one? Heck yeah!
I was hooked the entire time! Well done OneShortEye. Time to dive into your other videos.
These videos are so good, they fill me up with the good kind of nostalgia. When I was a kid I used to play MI a lot, like I would replay the game every few months, and it's so cool seeing some of the tricks showcased on the video because they sparked some memories in my brain. Like I remember being able to pick the red herring in two steps (and always tried to get it in one and failed) and I vividly remember seeing that glitch where the shopkeeper "floats" to the second floor. I was finding speedrunning tricks without knowing, heh.
So cool! I've never played Monkey Island but I love the charm it has. I love learning about speedrun history and its so cool to see, awesome job!!
Love these videos! I love how you walkthrough the important parts of the game and have interviews with the runners. Amazing editing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The video is interesting but do you find the subject of the video amazing?
Think about the overall task being done and apply that to anything else.
If someone did a dish washing speed run, would you watch? What about a power washing speed run?
The fact that the game is played quickly, almost to the point it’s hardly played rather then memorized. Then the fact people are racing to do it just .0001% faster then the next guy?
All of this just seems worthless but I’m interested in your opinion on it.
@@wartome3196 It sounds like speedrunning might not be your thing. And that's fine! Not everyone has to enjoy everything.
I'd be curious though, do you enjoy any sort of competition? For example, the US Open just ended. You could argue that people using metal clubs to hit small balls in small holes is equally "worthless." It doesn't produce anything of value. The golfers are doing their best, making it their careers, in fact, just to hit the ball in fewer strokes than "the next guy."
If you don't enjoy golf either, then the point is that you can frame anything as meaningless if you look at it from a certain perspective.
@@OneShortEye I find competition the most important thing to life actually. You used the US open as an example and it’s a good one. I don’t find value in the competitive nature of golf because it doesn’t produce anything.
Now someone could say the same about football but I would argue that professional football players create a culture for kids to follow. The kids competing is what I find value in. So to expand further, if kids didn’t play football and only adults did; I would find no value in it. The act I’m looking to see if kids competing using this sport as a method to learn skills hard found elsewhere. Golf has no skills worth learning for Everyman.
Hopefully that helps explain my position.
Now if I may ask a question or few.
What do you find value in within speed running? Is it the glitch/breaking of mechanics to produce faster times? Is it the player skill needed to preform a speed run? If it’s anything like this.. why do you find that valuable?
If you had children would you push them into speed running the same way I would push my son into football and teach him to avoid skateboarding because of the pitfalls I might see within that hobby?
Thanks for your time bud
@@wartome3196 Thanks for your response! You've given me a lot to think about.
You asked what I find valuable about speedrunning. These days, I don't tend to analyze too much about WHY I enjoy something. But if I had to pin something down, I'm a curious person. I enjoy seeing how a game can be broken. It takes the normal gaming experience and transforms it. I like understanding how something functions and seeing how far you can push things. There's also the community aspect of speedrunning. I've met some incredibly nice people who share my love of these games, and working towards a common goal with them is exciting.
I would not "push" my children into speedrunning, however. It's a hobby. I enjoy it. But it's not for everyone. I think children can learn skills and life lessons in many ways, and the "best" activity depends on the child.
Have watched many of your adventure game history and other videos. Love that you are reviewing games of this style! There is a large part of my heart that enjoys them :)
stellar work as always, really love your content dude!
Fantastic video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you.
I played Monkey Island back in the day on the Amiga. Good times.
Good stuff. I've never speed ran the game myself, but I've been around since the beginning. I'm pretty sure I was the first person Spade told that he was going to start speed running the Monkey Island games.
Awesome highlight of the wonderful Speedy Adventures community.
And as of right now Spade has WR in Monkey Island 1, 2, and 3.
I am SO happy this showed up in my recommended, I am obsessed with old Sierra and LucasArts games! I've already watched all your videos and subscribed, keep up the AMAZING work!
Great video, thanks! I was genuinely happy for frozenspade in the end to get the WR in the GDQ presentation!
Great video! Really well done, I'd love to see more of this kind of documentery!
I love these mini-documentary style videos! always a treat to watch through.
Been waiting for this one.. great job as always! ^^ thanks a lot, man.
I'm not sure why I'm surprised such a classic game would be speedrun material and yet! it never once occurred to me you could even run it
Loved your video. I could really feel the passion you and all the interviewees have for the game.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I played this game when it came out in 1990. You can't really imagine the feeling of first playing it today. It was a gigantic game that was even mentioned in the news and in reports on TV, a real gamechanger in terms of graphics, gameplay, everything. Before that, Lucasfilm had Zak McKracken and Indy III, and Sierra had rather shitty looking run and type games, but Monkey really changed the whole concept of what a gane could be. I still occasionally play it and it takes me down the road of nostalgia like no other game.
This is just what I needed. Your videos are amazing, thanks dude.
I love that i have your channel and summoning salt to watch speedrun history, you both have your own style and both are very entertaining, keep the good work going!
Nice work man. Big fan of your works!
I only just started watching, but man, I know it's gonna be a good one, just like always. Always interesting to hear about Monkey Island! Thank you!
Thank you!
This was another excellent watch, thanks you for your time and effort :)
I love this, but I wanted to say that I especially appreciate your top five list. Specifically, the Grog Run.
See, while I don't have the patience for speedrunning things myself, I've given myself an extra "goal" every time I play the game to use as few grog transfers as I can. So it's neat to learn the actual minimum!
If you want a puzzle - there is a strategy that involves only picking up one mug. It takes the same time as picking up two.
The quality of your videos keep on getting better and better! Thank you for all the hard work you put into these.
It always makes my day brighter to see one of your videos pop up on my feed.
Those are extremely kind comments, thank you.
Great video. The Monkey Island games are some of my earliest gaming memories; we used to play them as a family on the Amiga when I would have been around 6 or 7. Seems like a really friendly community around the games.
Fascinating video. Amazing work. Thank you for this.
Your quality is always improving. Loved the video!
Amazing video. Love that you got recommended to me by the algorithm!
I played this on Amiga not long after it came out, i absolutely love this game from back then till now. It's great!
29:49 Love the long build up to the jump cut punchline. The amount of work put into this video shows in moments like these. Highly underrated channel that I enjoy seeing in my sub box
Wow this was an excellent video! The interview clips and editing and the way you describe it so it doesn't matter if someone barely knows the game it's still interesting and entertaining!
Oh and that Star Trek bit was fantastic XD
Fantastic video, thanks for shedding some more light on these great communities!
Excellent vid mate, thanks for this!
This is awesome. Well done. I hope you keep making these videos.
Your videos are fantastic from both an entertainment and documentation perspective. I hope to see more in the future (in particular I'd like to see more Sanitarium, but I'd be happy to see any other dosports).
Another insane video, honestly you are my favorite speedrun channel! I can't wait to see you and the channel get huge
That's too kind of you. Glad you enjoyed it!
Love these vids! Videos going over speedrunning strategies are always fun but I love these insights into these small communities
Glad you enjoyed it!
I believe it's FrozenSpade who mentions asking his dad to watch "the Pirate game" which unlocked a memory of me, bugging my eldest brother for the exact same thing!
The interviews are such a great touch!
These videos are so damn well made! Thank you so much!
I've been loving every single video that you put out. Thank you
Excellent video! Kudos to all the time & effort that went in. 👏
Great vid, mate. You put a ton of work into these and it shows. Some of my favourite content on YT.
I really like your work. As someone who appreciates the history and evolution of how people improve theses runs, I find these videos fascinating. And, as someone who is definitely in the casual player camp, its really accessible, and amazing to so what people can do to these beloved older games. If you feel up to it, I would love to see a history of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. However, no matter what you make next I will defiantly watch and rewatch it. Thanks for all your hard work.
I loved your videos anyway but seeing your take on one of my favourite was the icing on the cake! I hope one day I'll see you make videos of my other childhood point and click favourites Broken Sword and Discworld.
I love your videos man, this has to be the strongest I've felt about a new upload from someone I subscribe to. Like HOLY SHIT i look forward to your videos like it's the fucking 90s and you're Dallas. I can't stop! Thanks so much!
Secret of Monkey Island and Monkey Island 2 are some of my favorite games ever, and were formative to my personality growing up lol
Thanks for the upload. I really like your style and especially the interviews with the other runners. I have never really played these games that you have aired but it still is heaps interesting. I hope there are some maybe Space Quest games in the mix coming up that haven't already been uploaded but I am sure I will like whatever you do anyways
Ty for the video. Was fun to watch.
I just binged all of your videos yesterday and you immediately upload a new one. Thanks dude 😎
Thanks for watching!
Another excellent video. Well done!
I love this types of videos about speedruns and the speedruns explained, the run becomes 100x more interesting
thank you for putting this together!
OneShortEye, you've got a real knack for making these videos engaging and professional - not an easy feat for speedruns of adventure games. 😄 You've got a great voice too.
You have talent, my friend!
Thank you for the kind words!
enjoyed this vid even more than the usual videos! the first two monkey island games hold a very special place in my heart. id love to see you cover the second game!!
The second game has a TON of history. I'm going to make a video on it, but it'll probably be at least a few months before I start in earnest, just due to the amount of research.
@@OneShortEye awesome to hear! still looking forward to whatever else you make in the meantime, love your content
This was fascinating--great job!