Analyzing Evil: Late Night With The Devil
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Hello everyone and welcome to the one hundred eightieth episode of Analyzing Evil! Our topic for this video is Late Night With The Devil. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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Ideas for future Analyzing Evil Videos
Analyzing Evil; Count Dracula From (Dracula)
Analyzing Evil; Nancy Brown From (The craft)
Analyzing Evil; Davoth The Dark Lord From (DOOM)
Analyzing Evil; Doctor west From (Splatterhouse)
Analyzing Evil; The smiling man From (Whispers in small spaces Book series)
So I like that you're showing yourself in the videos now, nice to put a face to the voice and all, but if I may offer some constructive criticism, I think it would work better if you were standing up and moving around a little more. I get you're not a super bombastic presenter, but even sitting forward and gesturing a little might help with visual engagement. Just a thought. Anyway, enjoyable as always!
Analyzing Evil: sarevok from baldurs gate
I would love it you included an exploration into the character of Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove: or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb as portrayed by Sterling Hayden.
The most evil part of this movie was the 10 different production company logos at the start
Revelation of the Method.
Yeah i watch red-letter media also
@@BraindeaddefaultI don't - lots of people noticed the ridiculous logo gauntlet
I legitimately thought the movie was starting, then it turned out to be just another logo and I couldn’t stop laughing at how Family Guy actually was spot on.
Bro it reminded me of that family guy cutaway i thought the movie was legit starting for at least three of those logos
The most unsettling part for me was when Lily was brought out and she couldn’t take her eyes off the camera. She was looking at US, and I felt that.
I went to the theatre alone to see it and that part freaked me out so much lol
It made me feel uneasy
@@Alybobadude same lmao, it felt like she was looking RIGHT at me. Never felt that in a movie before
real I felt that too
That girl accomplished more legit creepiness than 3 hours of the conjuring jump scares. Just awesome.
Analyzing evil: the seagulls from finding NEMO
Greed
@@ramirezmanuel117 MINE!
I acquired a trauma from that movie XDXD
@@Ruffmeister101
MINE
MINE! MINE!
god, David Dastmalchian was so good in this. Definitely, his best role; thank you for making a video on this.
Do you know where I can watch it?
It's on Shudder. $5 a month.
@@samhenson8177it’s on Shudder, but I think they provide a one week trial for free.
He FINALLY got his role and I hope he's a front man in more
Hope it will lead to him getting more roles. Amazing actor and has a very moving personal history.
David D is phenomenal, but I really gotta give the most credit to Ingrid Torelli playing Lilly, she put a new spin on “creepy possessed girl” and I would have thought that well was completely dry
Great point! Her staring into the camera was creepy as fuck and how she was dressed and makeup was all similar to The Exorcist but "thinking that the well was dry" was a thought that I had too but here we are. The well has water!
Yes, she was the superb break out star here. Made my skin crawl even when she was being polite and personable.
David D impressed me with his range as usual.
She reminded me of Angela from Night of the Demons - especially in her tone of voice.
So the dark powers that secretly rule the world can't make you beat Johnny Carlson in the rating...the guy is good.
this made me laugh way too hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or, here's a scary thought, Carson made a pact with something even more powerful we don't know of
@@revylucian8289Carson was so good he had to be Satan himself
@@revylucian8289He made a pact with God to ensure his show's success.
@@andrewreillymusic2773 It would just be ironic if he just had God's favor.
Abraxas, in the context of this movie, is a God of Imitation, representation and expression. Its power is not its own, but derived from the limitations, expectations, and repression of those who lack a true soul and true identity.
Why do I get "Demiurge" vibes?
There are a lot of fun tidbits if you pause to read the magazine covers and articles. In one article, his sidekick says that Jack was so magnetic and charismatic in the beginning that everyone joked he must have made a deal with the devil. There's also an ad for the psychic. A quick flash of a magazine cover also has the headline as "Jack's Back" and that the movie of the week is "Hail Abraxas," but it's dated after the Halloween episode. A clip about the cult Lily was in says that anyone who witnesses the ritual is affected, so that episode exposed everyone watching to the ritual. By December, he's on top and the station is openly spreading Abraxas' influence.
Makes you wonder did the demon have all of that planned in advance?
@@MrFredsttyes
also when he signed the deal with the network, someone asked what you sacrificed to get the job? i had to rewind twice to see if i heard that right
Minnie’s also a nickname for the name Minerva, the Roman goddess of knowledge who’s symbol is an owl.
Ooooh, what!?! Great catch.
I learned from this movie that johnny carson is stronger than the powers of satan.
Hail Carson🤘
Nah, Devil was just stringing Jack along to make him more desperate and controversial. As soon as the Devil actually Inacted his plan he beat the holy Johnny Carson.
@nobody-wz7lw Johnny Carson beat the devils plan the movie itself says that. I don't know what you saw.
I'm glad that David Dastmalchian has started getting the roles that he deserves over the last few years. He's one of the best actors out there right now.
tying in with the real life bohemian grove which worship a real owl god was a turn I did not expect going into this movie. Surprised they got away with it
It was just the grove in the movie, plus it's just a social club irl
It's just a bunch of dudes getting drunk and immature together.
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The real Bohemian Grove heads would have to open for discovery if they wanted to sue, which they very much do NOT want to do
@@Maxisamo1 yeah exactly lol., kinda why I think they just called it the grove. Def don’t want moloch being brought up in a public court
One of the BEST videos.
Reminds me of what Christopher Lee stated: First you will lose your mind. Then you will lose your soul.
"Not all selfishness is inherently evil, but all evil is inherently selfish." Love this!
Sounds like a good blend of mockumentary and analog horror.
It is! It’s such a great movie! Check it out!!
How is it analog horror? Because it's about a TV show?
Analog horror refers to a specific style, otherwise movies like the ring would also be analog horror.
@@thegoodolddays9193 analog horror is specifically horror that plays on the nostalgia of analog technology, which an old talkshow like Late Night would absolutely fit into
@@awhryan
You know late night talk shows are still a thing, right? They've survived the digital age better than a lot of other things on television. It isn't specifically analog.
Likewise, merely using something old as a framing device does not make analog horror. Otherwise the ring and many others would be analog horror despite predating the term by two decades and having little in common with the founding works of the genre
@@thegoodolddays9193 sure, there are still talk shows, but not this type of talk show. Not ones with the low quality and dulled colors of 70s cameras, and not ones with this aspect ratio. Analog horror by definition uses analog technology, which this does or at least appears to (many movies use filters and effects to achieve the effect, but it is still the same effect)
The food analogy was perfect! It's true that you wouldn't want anyone else stealing or taking your food. That's a normal type of greed that's not inherently evil but like anything else you have to know when to be selfless, if a friend, not a stranger, asks you for a french fry you can give it to them. They might even give you a chicken nugget in return.
Greed is not the desire for more, it's the desire for more at the expense of others
id give anyone foodd
I doubt itd ever happen due to the nature of the movie but I hope David Dastmachlian could get some sort of awards recognition for this movie cause he played the part so well and showed off a lot of talent that not many people wouldve known he had without this movie
I read that this movie already received a Award and David too. I need to find The news
Possible Saturn award. Golden globe of horror Sci fi and fantasy.
Holy crap. This is the best analysis of Late Night With The Devil I've seen and I've seen just about all of them at this point. The Vile Eye didn't miss a single thing. Unbelievably well done. Not only did the Vile Eye analyze the evil in the film he explained exactly what the film is about and the message that it's sending to the audience. Bravo Vile Eye. Bravo!
This film was amazing. The fact he let that medium use his abilities til he died was crazy.
I guess you could say the medium was...well done.
@@Dr.Thirteen-bb1ub underrated
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Well, the first two were implied to be a sham. The first reading led Christou to the wrong guy who made a joke out of it. The second reading was accurate but only because Christou had information from questionnaires given to audience members. Car confirmed this later by asking the dead kid Edmond's family. The third reading was the only real one, where Minnie (or something posing as her) is trying to reach Jack. Kind of a fitting punishment: He used death & loss to make a profit so when he finally contacts the dead it kills him.
@@lizardbashkins9042 Interesting take. I felt like the necromancer really was communing with the dead all three times. I base this mostly on how offended he was when the magician called him a cheat.
I’d like to see an analyzing evil video for Kevin from “We Need to Talk About Kevin.”
Should do an "Analyzing Evil: Ezra Miller"
A bit of me always thought that Jack killed his wife, or that he willingly (Albeit heartbreakingly for himself) sacrificed her as a part of his deal.
I really loved the film, and this analysis of it rocks.
Agreed. I haven't seen the movie but it's exactly what is known. What I've never understood is who summons the deal? Is it offered or must be asked for? I ain't have time for that. I was already born cursed so Satan could kick rocks.
@@AJCyalater-qv4ei Eh, I tried repeatedly to suggest deals with the devil and never even once succeeded... So I suspect that if such a thing is even possible it would have to be on the devil's part to suggest the deal 😛
ohh yeah i def think she got sacrificed and by the time jack realized she was going to be the one sacrificed it was too late or he just already knew it was going to be her which is even more fucked
“For the love of money is the root of all evil” is the actual quote
David Dastmalchian was AMAZING on this! His best role yet! Thanks for this!I always look forward to these videos such detail is put into the research. I would love to see you cover the Hector Salamanca, the demon made flesh that gave birth to the Violent Salamanca family and created the man who killed them all Gustavo.
And to think this movie will or won't get a mention behind word of mouth is a pity
"Where every penny counts more than it ever did"
Actually every penny is counting less and less, I think thats the problem 😂
Lol we even got rid of tge penny here in Canada, the copper in it was worth 2.2 cents........
@@TheRealBatCave Pretty sure that's why we make ours out of zink and just coat it with copper, I would imagine that a copper penny would be worth more than 1 cent lol
Interesting documentary about Jimmy Fallon 😂
A few suggestions:
- Analyzing Evil: Park Yeon-jin from The Glory
- Analyzing Evil: Thor "The Swede" Gundersen from Hell on Wheels
- Analyzing Evil: Frank from Once Upon a Time in the West
Agreed on The Glory. Damn, there are so many good K dramas and movie villains to explore
Omg, The Swede would be an amazing episode!!!
Randall Flagg from The Stand
Analyzing Evil: Yoshii Toranaga from Shogun
3 FANTASTIC shoutouts, especially Park Yeon-Jin. People in Korean are STILL talking about The Glory, even all these months later and the topic of bullying culture is still discussed in Korea
This movie was absolutely amazing, one of the best I've seen in a LONG time. I've gotta say by far my favorite moment was when Lilly was possessed and she looked at Jack, said it was nice to see him again, and said that she "met him a long time ago, in the tall trees". That line was so out of no where, and went so unacknowledged after the fact it left my jaw hanging.
OMG YES, that was so specific and Jack face when she said that said a 1000 words
The actress playing Lilly is a gymnast. She would be great as the DC character Raven.
Thanks for the deep dive into the Bohemian Group. This is one aspect of the film that gets continuously overlooked. In LTWTD, the Grove is not a cult but a secret society. The Church of Abraxis is the cult. Cults actively recruit, while secret societies remain exclusive. Most confuse the two, but they're not interchangeable. Jack makes his deal with the Grove, and they are the Devil. Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan attended BG meetings, and that says it all. In Eyes Wide Shut, it was the society that made life-and-death decisions. Our world is governed by men, not deities.
This was such a great movie. I hope they give more leading roles to David after this.
he looks like a grown up version of Isaac from children of the corn
Analyzing evil: Heihachi from Tekken
If you’re looking for more suggestions, please consider doing an Analyzing Evil on Pearl from the “X” and “Pearl” movies with Mia Goth.
This man will literally do anything but make a homelander episode 💀
His story isnt finished
He’s waiting for the series to conclude before he gets to that. Its better to have a completed look at Homelander than an half-assed one anyway
Mommy issues. You’re welcome.
Omg bruh, he is waiting for the show to finish.
Yeah man, they just announced Season 4 of The Boys
No mention of his wife's ghost basically being all through the movie? kinda a big detail left out
😭 You're the first person to come up on my feed naturally without me having to search up vids for this amazing movie. Thank you.
It's not getting the attention it deserves.
Got to see an early screening of this at CIFF where Dastmalchian did a Q&A. Great screening, the crowd was having so much fun.
Superb analysis, just perfect. Can I also add that when you deal with the devil, you always get what you ask for, but not in the way you expect. He did end up the more famous than any other talk show host, because he ended up murdering a little girl on live TV.
I’m so Stupid and didn’t notice the connection between the show title and the grove 😢
You and me both, but from here on out if anyone mentions it let’s just pretend like we knew it all along!
The Devil's Trill was the perfect choice for this video
I Love how this Film Critiques Religious Philosophy and the Rise of NeoLiberal Capitalism/Rugged Atomised Individualism in the 1970's during the times of Crisis like the Watergate Scandal, Moral Panic, the Vietnam War, so on and so Forth!
Brilliant Shit! Keep 'em coming!
Analyzing evil: Jenny from Forrest Gump
I just finished this film about an hour ago. I thought to myself, “the actor playing the main character did a decent job. But his timing seemed a bit off with his jokes, and his cadence was slightly awkward.” Now I understand why. David Dastmalchian did an amazing job of being a “sub-standard TV personality.” Incredible acting.
Excellent essay. I appreciate you delving more into the history of the 70s and some theology. Nicely done thank you!
I think it’s tragically funny to think of the “me decade” as a defined period that ever had a beginning or ending. There are entire industries pushing selfishness under the guise of “self love” or “empowerment.” I’d say the movie points a finger at a society that’s more obsessed with itself than ever before-that being our own.
With peace and love, return back to having audio only. Having you in the shot throws off the vibe.
Analizing Evil: The Usher Family from the Fall of the House of Usher.
Incredible deep dive. Not at all the directions of review I was expecting. Learned so much more about this film and the underlying philosophies than anticipated.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- Any one of or all of the characters from The Devil All The Time.
- Shinzo Tozawa from Tokyo Vice.
Analyzing evil:The Penguin from Batman returns
Good timing! I just watched this yesterday. It's really good! I heartily recommend it.
heads up: Lichen is pronounced "lye-ken" not "lye-chen". love every single video, your one that explained precious's upbringing and her mom was so good
The devil or demon had no problem killing people for Christian blasphemy. The medium spoke to the dead and died unable to handle the power from a spirit, jack was covered already, June had a questionable relationship with Jack and was using lily to springboard her own career, even letting a possession happen against her better judgement. The hypnotist apparently rushed towards dark forces. Gus, the sidekick is the least questionable but he did wear a devils outfit allowed himself to be hypnotized and my idea is he simply didn't have enough faith to combat the demon and was instantly killed
The sidekick predicted his own death when he agreed to the hypnotism.
I think late night with the devil will be one of the few horror highlights of the early 2020’s.
A villain you could analyze is Gordon Stewart Northcott, from Clint Eastwood's Changeling.
Randall Flagg from The Stand
Northcott was a real person
@@paranoid2867 and so Amon Goeth, and Antonio Salieri.
@@emiliomanueldepedro9650 fair point, i just think films based around actual people EE covers dont translate so well because films tend to take their liberties compared to the real events
I was just binging ur channel last night before I slept, now I wake up to this
Such a great channel 🔥🔥🔥
A few suggestions:
Analyzing Evil: Skeksis from Dark Crystal.
Analyzing Evil: Eric Cartman from South Park
Analyzing Evil: Saruman From the Lord of the Rings franchise
The Dark Crystal is life
I feel like Cary man doesn’t have enough depth to be featured on this channel. His evil is one note
Ooo new Vile Eye and a new release. Excited for this one.
Recommendations:
Johhny Depp's character Sands in Once Upon a Time in Mexico
Peter from Copycat
Multiple characters in Love Lies Bleeding
Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
Lloyd Hanson from The Gray Man
Daniel Radcliffe in Horns
Robert Callaghan from Big Hero 6 (He never made sense to me - He wants vengeance for an accident that happened to his daughter so tries to murder a bunch of innocent people including friends?)
Man, just watched this last night and now this pops up in my feed. it's been a while since I watched one of your videos and I swear RUclips must have unsubscribed me. Either way, I'm looking forward to this breakdown (especially given how much Lily loved breaking that fourth wall and peering directly into my soul at one o'clock in the morning 😅), and I'm happy at the reminder your channel exists, to resubscribe and delve into the videos I've missed in my absence.
Even if you don't believe in the mystic scary part is they DO.
Thank you for this video/research. I love this film and have been thirsty for information on the "meeting around the tall trees". Liked and subscribed. Cheers!
Edit: Now the owl makes sense!
Never seen this film. Great channel, great voice. Your Training Day video is one of the best on youtube bro 👍
This channel deserves more views and subs
Analyzing Evil: Hyman Roth the Godfather Part II
I really do appreciate your work
This movie was great. I thoroughly enjoyed it and watched it a couple times. You catch a few things you might’ve missed the first time. Best horror movie I’ve seen in a couple years. The moral of the story to me was ambition.
Thanks for covering this one.
Love to see an episode on Ray Shoesmith from "Mr. In-Between"
I love your ASOIF series and I would love to see you covering:
Maegor The Cruel
Daemon Targaryen
Aemond Targaryen
Rhaenyra Targaryen
Aegon II
Otto & Alicent Hightower
Aerys II
Littlefinger
Cersei Lannister
The Night King
And finally
Daenerys Targaryen
Haven't been this engaged with a spooky film in sometime!
I love the song choice for the video, one of my favorite classical pieces and very fitting for the video
This is a great analysis. My husband & I actually watched this movie last night & I really enjoyed it. The ending fell a bit short for me but the vibe was really fun & authentic to the time
so happy you covered this movie! amazing video
Just watched this at your suggestion before I even finished your vid. Nice recommendation!
Another great one indeed, i saw the previews or poster of this one but i never knew it was to have such a great story line, but thanks for the details i'll ne watching it soon,
It's important to understand that Jung was working off of descriptions of Gnosticism made by Orthodox Christians before the Nag Hamnadi library was discovered, which gave us first-hand gnostic texts. So what Abraxas/The Demiurge is according to these pre Nag Hammadi sources is largely speculation and interpretation.
Love this! Again though Vile I would like to suggest Jenny Schecter from "The L Word" and Nina Meyers from "24." Two of the most treacherous characters in all of tv history who are willing to do whatever they must to serve one thing and one thing only....themselves.
This was unlike ANY horror movie I've seen! Quite a breath of fresh air!
If you liked this you should try Ghostwatch or the episode Deadline from Inside Number 9
Check out "Tales from the Crypt" ep Television Terror
I would love your intros to do an initial clip of the villain and when they speak you say "Hello everyone" and then fade to you in the chair. It would be a cool blend from the older openings (which I loved and found inventive and hilarious) and your new style. This was a perfect example of how it could have worked. Keep up the awesome work
Heard so many great things about this horror movie. Happy to see you reviewing this horror movie. I would like to see you do videos on Wilson Fisk and Ben Poindexter aka Dex from Daredevil’s seasons 1 to 3 originally on Netflix. You seriously did your research starting at 10:54
Please, I would love to hear your thoughts on these characters...
Percy Wetmore and Wild Bill from "The Green Mile"
Randall Flagg from "The Stand"
Greg Stillson from "The Dead Zone"
Mrs. Camody from "The Mist"
Henry Bowers from "It"
Rhoda Penmark from "The Bad Seed"
Harry Powell from "Night of the Hunter"
Nino Brown from "New Jack City"
Nina Myers from "24"
Joan Crawford from "Mommie Dearest"
Gollum from "The Lord of the Rings"
King Edward I aka "Longshanks" from "Braveheart"
The Governor, Alpha, and Negan from "The Walking Dead"
Kilgrave from "Jessica Jones"
Joe Goldberg from "You"
Francie Brady from "The Butcher Boy"
Dwight Hansen from "This Boy's Life"
Betty Wendell from "THEM"
Delores Umbridge from "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix"
John Ryder from "The Hitcher"
Grandmother and Mother from "Flowers in the Attic"
Carl Stargher from "The Cell"
Barbara and Carol Denning from "OITNB"
Harry Powell Night of the Hunter would make a great video
I never watched It, is Henry bowers a secondary protagonist? Explain please
@@MagicMonkey96 He is a psychotic bully who terrorizes the main children at school and Pennywise uses him as a tool to get to them when their bond with one another is too strong to use his magic against.
Is this your best video yet? I really love this one!!!
i absolutely loved this movie! glad you chose to cover it
Finally got to see this movie. Been hearing about it since it's release, and wondered if it would live up to the hype.
It definitely does. One of the more original horror films I have seen in a long time. It even manages to incorporate conspiracy theory motifs, without making them seem silly and irrelevant. To my mind, that's alone is an amazing achievement. We live in an age of "conspiratainment", where these kinds of themes are over-used, and usually depicted very badly. So to see that element handled as a topic of genuine fear, is impressive.
I have to say that given the time frame in which I was a child, (the 1970s), this movie was bound to hit some key notes with me. While some may have relatively good memories of their childhood in this period, I am not one of them.
For me the 70s was a wasteland of despondency and fears both concrete and abstract. As we see at the beginning of this movie, what I recall of the 70s were the horrors and grimness. The corruption and abuse of power in politics, the fears of resource depletion, the oft-times murderous cults that were appearing, and the deeds of men like David Berkowitz and Charles Manson.
To use this all as a backdrop against which to play out a dark spiritual essence at work, was brilliant. There were enough nods to actual horror films from the 70s to play on that point, without making the whole movie seem like a mere nostalgia trip. The acting was on point, as was almost every other aspect of the film.
At any rate, I really appreciated this post on the movie. A great analysis, that actually looks beyond the obvious "Devil" references, and digs into such arcane figures as Abraxas. The views from Carl Jung on this entity were particularly worthwhile.
I am a fan of your show. I wanted to put forth an idea for a of three character character study of evil from the tv series Mr. Robot. The characters I feel would be worth analyzing Irving, Fernando Vera, and White Rose. It's fair to say that there are other characters that compete for some pretty outlandish behavior from Leon, Tyrel and Joanna Wellick, Janice, and even Elliot and Mr. Robot themselves. I think your take on that show would be an expert opinion and dive deep into the core of evil from these characters.
What an interesting episode, I’ll be sure to check out the movie. Could the next potential episode be on Pharaoh Ramses from The Prince of Egypt?
I love your work, and I enjoyed the aesthetic of late night with the devil, albeit incredibly dark. Would you analyse Hereditary & Midsomer? These are two movies worthy of your analysis for sure.
You make great videos. This is my 9th request for Mistborn's Lord Ruler and Kelsier. Kelsier is a sociopathic rebel whose charm draws away the readers attention from his evil tendencies. The Lord Ruler is painted to be a Sauron like evil but is an amoral utilitarian (I still think he's evil though many people disagree with me.)
I've seen that Abraxas drawing on wikipedia, and I can't help it, I think it looks like a rather cute mascot
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Found one of the cult members 😂
This was a fucking awesome movie. I've had deep interest in the occult since the late 90's. This movie was SO WELL DONE. It hit the nail right on the head without coming off as cheesy or trying too hard. Very very unique film. I've seen it three times lol. Thanks for the breakdown man, loved it!
ANALYSISING EVIL TIGHTEN FROM MEGAMIND
You should cover Dio Brando from JoJo bizarre adventure :)
A fun episode would be looking at all of the evil in Archer. Since every protagonist has caused their own wave of chaos
Great video! Also can you eventually do the combine from Half Life 2? It’s one of my favorite factions and it would be great if you did a video on them!
Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire would be a good video for you to do
This!
So good.
Still waiting for.....Analyzing Evil: The Vile Eye
“Who else could grant such unholy might to the rich and powerful”. That sentence made my day, thanks
Pls do "Analyzing Evil: andrew lloyd webbers phantom of the opera"
I know you covered the Scream movies already but you should talk about the MTV scream tv show.. piper Shaw is such an underrated killer
Please do an Analyzing Evil on Black Jack Randall from Outlander!
Request for Tony Wendice from Alfred Hitchcock's 'Dial M for Murder.' He is a simple man who wants to murder his rich wife for having an affair but it's undeniable a man like that lives among us.