Josh Donaldson and Luis Arraez: What Happened?
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Josh Donaldson and Luis Arraez had a somewhat heated discussion during the Minnesota Twins 7-0 loss in Detroit Sunday afternoon. Here's a look at the highlights and coverage from BSN.
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My personal theory is Donaldson (like the rest of us) is frustrated that the Twins didn’t dominate the Tigers this series. Him seeing Arraez facing the outfield when the pitch could come in, meaning an outfield hit would not score a run, probably pushed Josh over the line a bit 😅
I don’t think he was looking In the outfield, I think he was looking to see where the 2nd base and short stop was.
@@sdaftermath123 he already talk about this in an interview he say he was looking in the outfield and Donaldson was telling him that pay attention to the game, after that arráez told him that it’s not the moment to do that in the way he did it, that should be on the clubhouse ant not in the middle of the game
It looked like Arraez was taking his time with his leadoff and wasn't even ready. The pitcher was about to windup to throw the ball and Arraez was still facing center field. Donaldson seemed to say "Let's go" like get your head in the game.
I agree, that's exactly what I was seeing. I think Josh is saying don't be getting cute or cocky, pay attention and do your job. To me the discussion in the dugout didn't look like a big deal, later though, if they were still chatting in the tunnel, that might be bigger.
This isn't that uncommon, it's a long grueling season. Plenty of frustration around too.
If Donaldso is saying get your head in it, I think its great. We need that veteran, pushy presence. A spark.
@@codyfox2023 Well said both of you. I agree that the issue seemed to stem with the fact that Arraez had his back turned during the start of the pitch (could cost Twins a run or Arraez could just get drilled with a line drive), and during his at bat I think Donaldson just said "Let's go" as if to encourage Arraez to pay attention. As Cody said it's a long season, these things tend to happen from time to time, seemed like a fairly civil dispute.
That was my takeaway too. Sure the sight line thing but Donaldson could hurt Arraez if the dude wasn’t paying attention potentially.
@@JWickyJr13 That was my thought as well. You want a line drive to the back of your head dude? Heads up!
So dumb. He's off the bag while the catcher is relaying signs.
What could be so important in center field that he has his back to the play? He should already know where the defence is aligned and be 8-10 feet off the bag in his leadoff "crouch"
Great point -- where was Rocco? Where is Rocco?
Can understand if he wanted the guys to handle it themselves but almost seems like he was unaware it was taking place. Very bizarre in this situation. He's obviously not the Twins' only issue, but Rocco hasn't done much to put the guys in great positions to win this year.
Rocco is a weak beta male
Taking a quick nap in the clubhouse maybe?
Probably getting ready to pull the starter who is throwing a one hitter with only 76 on the pitch count.
This is another example from the dumpster fire of a season that the Twins are having, total dysfunction within this team.
Nah I disagree. This is a good example of a team leader picking up the slack when he needs to. On a dysfunctional team no one would have called Arraez out for it.
@@mazdacosmo7816 A simple reminder that the Minnesota Twins finished in last place in the AL Central in 2021, which was their seventh losing season in the 12-year Target Field era. So once again, we as Twins fans get to hope for the umpteeth time that the Twins team will be "100 percent prepared" for spring training in February 2022. The 2021 was a season of frustration, which I truly hope does not permeate into 2022.
Donaldson holding teammates accountable, something Rocco never does. You need to hold people accountable, no accountability leads to failure, and that is Rocco's downfall.
Worst manager in baseball
It’s not Jomboy, it’s Tomboy! Haha for real great video though. Very strange that Rocco was nowhere to be found
Is Rocco somehow known for keeping shit together when it's thoroughly off the rails?
@@cronoesify no… but he’s still the manager. It’s always weird when he isn’t there in times like this
@@TimberwolvesDaily managers are rarely involved in situations like this, particularly when you have vets like JD and Cruz handling it. Weird complaint.
The discussion I feel was more about Arraez having his back turned and Donaldson probably not wanting to kill him.
So happy I found this channel! Keep up the great work!
Awesome, thanks Taylor!
I’m no Donaldson fan and think Arraez has a bright future, but in this case Donaldson is right: if you’re on second base and facing centerfield while the pitcher is beginning his motion, you’re wrong.
Vine después de ver EDN 😂 y el gringo tiene razón en formar su p30
Team batting average with runners in scoring position, inherited runners that scored, losing record of relief pitchers, unearned runs allowed, opponent batting average with 2 strikes, leading MLB in errors......why not add team dysfunction to the list. Welcome the return of the Twinkies.
Baldelli doesn't care if his players play the game the right way.
Donaldsons problem is simple. I love Louie...but he looked liked he was BSing with a middle infielder about his hit. Louie had his back turned while the pitcher was in his going into his windup. Dont over shoot this
Luis didn't have his lead, back turned as the pitcher came set. Josh had a point. Luis just didn't like being called out by a teammate from across the diamond.
Rocco has never seemed like a great tactician. I know he was billed a Saber guy and does the shifts and platoons whatnot. You would think after you lose 5 consecutive extra inning games you would at least consider bunting the guy to 3rd?
Donaldson definitely yelled c’mon
Good thing Nelson Cruz was there to manage. I think Donaldson was absolutely right in this scenario. He's probably pretty disgusted and frustrated like the rest of us too with this season, rightfully so.
The players are adults having a conversation. U don't need the manager for every discussion. And what I imagine he wanted him to be ready to go and paying attention, cuz he looked like he was off in lala land and the pitcher was almost ready to deliver. Wants his teammate in the game, and ready to go..
I think he said keep your eye on the ball
Donaldson is a known jerk. And nothing quite brings that out like being a dumpster fire of a team. And Arraez was not paying enough attention to his job either and deserved a bit of heat for it.
But it should have been taken careful in the dugout.
JD ain’t a jerk that’s just what you want to think.
If I’m Donaldson I’m probably gonna do the same thing Arreaz was looking in center field right as the pitcher was about to release the ball gotta have your lead and be ready to score both needed to let it go though that’s ridiculous they can’t bury the hatchet and can’t move forward
Dude wasn’t getting a lead off of 2nd base when the pitch was ready to be thrown. Donaldson had all the right to light him up. And they weren’t even arguing. It was a teaching moment. Leave the manager out of it.
JD I feel usually has a valid point in all his upsets.....its his delivery that's always taken as angry or over the top.
Whatever John said he was 100% correct.
Donaldson takes the game serious and doesn't like younger players goofing off not taking the game serious. He was the same way when he was at Atl. I miss having Donaldson in ATL was huge hit on us.
Josh just wants to win he came here to win not just burn the last prolly good 4 years he got left in a dumpster fire
That's true, but Donaldson's stats and availability (and what he's being paid!) have added to the dumpster fire.
Donaldson is a run producer. He sees his teammate being lazy and not taking a lead off and not paying attention so he called time and yelled at him to get his head in the game. Donaldson is a true, authentic baseball player who gets it.
Donaldson was brought in to put the Twins over the top. Now that the Twins are scraping the bottom it's time to unload Donaldson's useless salary. Pay through the nose to get rid of him and bring up Miranda tomorrow. Get it done and we'll have someone fresh to watch, at least for a while.
I don't know what Arraez was doing? What could possibly be so important that you turn your back to the play while standing off the bag while the catcher is relaying signs? The defensive alignment should already been noted at that point.
Donaldson probably could have handled it more discretely but he wasn't wrong.
JD doesn't F around. Baseball is more than a game to him. That's why the guy is wound up like The Magic Monkey lol
We miss him in Toronto.
I think he said " help me out".
It's a bad team with one of the most fiery players out there, these things happen.
I just went to St. Louis vs the twins. Man I wanted to see Donaldson hit. He didnt play.
Sounds like rocco is too soft for the job so donaldson is doing it for him
100% Justin Morneau‘s theory is correct. I love Arraez but sometimes he can be a little bit of a space cadet it seems like.
2:38 well boy do I have news for you
Ik this doesn't have much to do with Rocco. But I personally can't stand him as a manager any more. He has no tough side. He has no balls. Everything is supposed to be easy going for Rocco. And when it isn't easy going he has no idea what to do other than just remain calm. I used to like Rocco, in 2019. But obviously that was only because the team was good that season. Rocco has no idea how to manage a failing team
Trade Donaldson
No trade value with the remaining 2 years of his contract. Also injured a lot isn’t appealing.
Trev this is true. Just so annoying to have around and would rather have Jose Miranda up in the mlb at 3rd
Donaldson never shoulda left the Braves...... but of course take the money.. was a great contract :-)
I wish
No.1 guy you don't want to be a teammate
Sorry yanks
The Twins should try to trade Donaldson. He is injury prone, not worth his salary, and a toxic teammate.
He’s not toxic at all. He’s being the veteran and telling young Arraez to stop what he’s doing and pay attention and make his lead off.
I don't sign the checks, so it doesn't bother me too much, but I'd have to give this a hard no.
If the Twins trade Donaldson they can use the money saved to pay their more valuable players Buxton, Berrios, and Rogers.
@@MR-wc9lh No one wanted to give him a contract longer than a year or two when we signed him. That's how we got him. He hasn't really put up the numbers to truly justify the cash, but I think he's good (again I don't sign the checks) and no one else is going to take him unless we eat a big chunk of his salary anyways. At least that's how I see it, but who knows!
Best comment ever. Talk about vindication.
Donaldson is a renowned clubhouse cancer.
Donaldson is hitting about .252 and Arraez about .299 so Donaldson should stay quiet
Just tell us you don’t watch baseball
And Donaldson WAR is better so your point is completely useless
@@caydencarson3754 I love Arraez. All twins fans do. But Donaldson is just miles better than he is.
By your logic is Michael Brantley the best player in the league?