i mostly agree with what you’re saying but the yung lean point makes no sense, having an inside joke within a fanbase has nothing to do with the interpretation of what they are a fan of. People comment Barry Dillon because it’s kinda funny and that doesn’t effect the art lean has created.
I agree. This is a point I basically kinda thought out but regretted after posting. I honestly think a better example is with sem fans commenting abt how greasy he is and stuff. I totally get inside jokes but sometimes fans will comment “drop album pls” or random jokes on serious posts or artists other projects. I.E. carti posting about narcissist and nobody caring. Imo this is insanely disrespectful especially when the artists work is very serious.
@xcissor no i totally agree with this, especially when memes are kinda the way a lot of people find out about new music nowadays, it taints how people view the artists and it become part of the narrative in magazines and shit as well. i also think it’s disrespectful when people bring it to the artists comment sections, not keeping it within just the fandom (say on reddit or some twitter group). it’s like people just treat the art itself as one big meme, it’s tiring. and kinda adjacent to the femboy jokes are the "drain this gang that" kinda oversexualized vulgar jokes which just feels even more cringe cus it's so antithesis to what their art is, if that makes sense. like memes can for sure be great when it actually is inside jokes that references stuff in their art etc, but often i feel like it's jokes just poking fun at or disrespecting them and the art, made by outsiders looking in or "fans" who really don't understand it, they're just in on it for the meme or the trend.
@xcissor when your 'fans' are making stupid ass jokes about for you dress or your music it probably doesn't feel good. Bladee is trying to spread a meaningful message and then there's some kids on tiktok saying "yall wonder if bladee and ecco2k ever had gay sex". Like it's not funny and it's honestly kind of disgusting.
I’ve been saying this for years. But like you said with Yeezus I remember being the only person in my school who loved it but everyone hated it. Mainly because I was so driven by art and understanding it’s motifs and references. It made me interested in fashion and music and other forms of media to a point where I could never look at art at face value and always could find some meaning behind most that I enjoyed. Great takes here, it always makes me sad when I see people criticize rather than investigate
you make great points and its honestly sad. i feel like because of how extremely accessible everything is nowadays and how chronically online a lot of kids have become because of covid, theres been a rapid decline of genuine curiosity and patiently waiting for things that dont exist yet. trends are moving at the speed of light, theres little to no sense of community in a lot of different areas, and i feel like no one truly gets excited about anything anymore. we have also become so desensitized to a lot of things happening on the daily. its crazy
I agree, I think it's much harder to see the value in things when it's so easily accessible and abundant. The internet shoves so many things in your face constantly that it's hard to parse through the noise and figure out what's worth sitting with. It's far too easy to get washed away in the endless stream of vapid entertainment
I’ve always felt this has more to do with people just being shitty and immature. Every underground artist’s fan base seems to be full of horrible people. The general populace does hate art though. They don’t view The Lion King as art, they view it as a Disney product, so anything that isn’t this easily digestible and culturally accepted product is automatically labeled as weird. The average person’s world view is actually insanely narrow and depressing.
every once in a while when you get those glimpses into how an average person looks around the world and at art especially it really just makes you sad.
People just missing out for their entire lives, I honestly don't know how I would live without all the music that I love and that love wouldn't be possible if I was as narrow minded as the average person
100% agree. I remember the night when WLR dropped, and I skipped so many tracks mindlessly. I didn't even give them a chance. Looking back, I almost feel guilty. Seeing the influence of WLR and how it continues to shape music in general blows my mind. I saw it in other comments and I'll reiterate, it all seems to come down to accessibility. With the new age of technology we can become picky chicken nugget eating children with the content we consume. Different as a concept has shifted from being innovative to "mid", at the least in the music world. This video was a great reminder of the fact that art is always changing and we as consumers need to embrace that.
Great video. Been thinking about this for a while. I try to not to pay attention to what people are saying about art online. Some people will never get it and that’s fine by me. Nothing we can do about it.
Great video Matt. This is something I think about a lot and don’t understand. I generally have two main questions adjacent to this 1. I have a lot of friends who are general hip hop fans (post Malone, Kanye, J cole etc) who whenever I manage to get them to listen to a Carti song claim how bad it is and he’s just yelping on the mic. And the baffling part to me is how they just blanketly claim it’s bad and not be at least a little interested in it or at the minimum appreciate that he is trying something new. I could understand if it was semetary and he only has 100k listeners and is small. But someone like carti who has so many fans, how you could just think that all these people just like “trash music” and be happy with that answer. Every time I find some new artist that I initially don’t understand I am so curious to try to find out why ppl like it. because there will always be at least one small group that every piece of art pertains to. And I am able to at the least appreciate that the person is trying something creative. 2. I will never understand the people that get ready for the next lil baby album that sounds the exact same as the past 4. How can you not be at least a little curious what’s out there or wish for your artist to do something new. Sure I want another eversince or unknown memory, but I know that those artists have moved on and as long as they are trying something new I am excited. Sure you can say that people just don’t care enough about music, but I just don’t see how they aren’t at least a little more curious
Bro it fucking drives me nuts when people are giving rave reviews for a new Drake or Lil Baby album, like it's the blandest most commercial shit in the world how are you possibly so emotionally invested in that when there is so much other, actually profound art to pour your emotions into. Like these people are legitimately excited about a Drake song called "Pussy and Millions". Wow so relatable to us common folk right? And people will let that be their fav song of the year or some shit. Really baffling to me.
great insight, i love this societal commentary mixed with musical genre discussion type of video. My two cents is that some people are raised in very ignorant environemnts where a sense of curiousity is not nurtured in them from a young age. I see it differently from you however. The fact that they are even clicking on the video in the first place shows they have some modicum of interest in the art you say they are reviling. But imo something had to bring them there in the first place. Even if you are hating you are still exposing yourself to it, meaning the creator is still getting streams and maybe one day you will warm up to it. Heck I even seen people who shit on these artists own merch from them. Trolls are people that secretly like something and deflect by hating on it. Yes these people are twenty etc but they still have time to come back and check it out especially as nostalgia grows for it as is so often the case in the music industry. Hating is form a flattery, as humans we are subconsciously attracted to things they find weird, even if they express it as criticism. Eventually the time will come when this too gets normalized and accepted to the point of being deemed as good art. Remember when picasso was thought of as trash? For some people the only way to reconcile their interest in this strange artist is to make fun of them,. Were living in the meme era, where peoples default mode is irony. As art gets increasingly werid, people form a love hate relationship with it. I.e. massive balenciaga puffer memes. And Ive seen so many people make light of their affinity for drain gang by making memes about them or clown on them online as a way of showing you care. alot of it is self aware ribbing because people who enjoy art know how it looks from the outside. Not a bad thing not to take yourself too seriously. I think thats peoples criticism with ar tfigures like Carti or. ian Connor , they think they are special or something and then jump the gun. In conclusion, people like the underdog, whether they outwardly admit it or not. The artist is still receiving visibility, any publicity is good publicity. Nowadays no one cares what people put time into but thats a given across the. board as we lose proximity to the act of making and our attention spans dwindle.
the collective lack of openmindedness and critical thinking amongst these fandoms is actually crazy to me esp when it comes to drain gang and bladee's evolution as an artist...i dont understand how people claim to be fans of artists they clearly have no human respect for this video is spot on people dont like art they like palatable easy-to-consume content with minimal intellect involved
I agree with everything you said and it’s something I have always thought about. Especially when people say shit like “I could have easily done that,” or some shit like that. It bothers me. People think just because something is simplistic in nature means that doesn’t have a deeper meaning behind it. People just want to be ignorant nowadays
totally agree with this bro, especially with the balenciaga show. It just makes me sad that the art form I am most passionate about being fashion, runway fashion is so easily dismissed by people who don't think about what they're looking at. It makes me not want to consume any fashion media anymore just because of how sad I feel looking at the reactions. It just makes me not want to design clothing to be consumed or sold to other people and I especially don't want my basic clothing to be worn by the same people who hate the haute couture side, the important side, without a second thought. All in all it just makes me sad people refuse to even look at something different to their own comfort zone.
I think what frustrates me the most is how dismissive general audiences can be to new sounds, styles, lyrical themes and deliveries, etc. Social media has made it so much easier for underground musicians to breakthrough to the mainstream with algorithmic marketing on platforms like tiktok. The issue is that these platforms are not build for these artists. While there are so many people who love music and want to understand as many styles of music as possible, the average music consumer is simply not going to be that person. There's a reason why the same bland pop songs end up with millions of streams across streaming platforms. Most people generally are not passionate enough about music to stray from the mainstream and as a result, whatever manages to emerge to the surface that stands out from the rest that float on top is going to recieve criticism for being different. I don't generally think there's a problem with people who don't stray from the mainstream. I'm not a fan of movies for example, so you'll never catch me at an avant-garde film festival, you'll only catch me at an occasional screening of a new buzzworthy box office hit. This doesn't mean that I should trash on films that I don't personally understand or have an interest in. But unfortunately social media has created a space that makes it so easy to complain about pretty much everything, even if deep down you really don't care all that much.
On an opposite note. I think it’s interesting too to think about how just through music and the aesthetics that they give off, music artists can prove themselves as genius and creative thinkers. For example, at this point carti has proven to me that he knows what he is doing and I have full trust in him that the next thing he puts out will be creative and I will enjoy it because every time he pivots it turns out to be creative and enjoyable. Instead of having to be a painter or writer, random people off the street or suburbs can prove to be incredibly reliable and genius creative thinkers. And anyone in the world can be this way given the state of the internet.
this is a very well put together video! i remember when i first heard Whole Lotta Red I hated it, but now its one of my favorite records; I've listened to it from front to back way more times than I could count. The ideas on that record are so creative and ground breaking. I'll never forgive myself for not enjoying it sooner. Keep making videos! I really enjoy your content
I can understand why carti doesn't like to do much for his fans. Most of them, at least on his subreddit are making fun of absolutely everything he does, it's crazy. He made merch and I will admit it's not Amazing but it's not bad either. And everyone calls it trash. They make fun of how he speaks in interviews or dms, about how he's a deadbeat father, how he dresses, his son AND his persona isn't understood (which is meant to be a character he plays). They don't take him seriously. They think it's corny and just want new music, even though it's what makes him different and cooler than other artists. We should be happy he's doing anything at all instead of staying silent until he drops the next album. I hope he won't be scared to drop something experimental again.
That's why Bladee is literally the best sounding artist of this generation but has only 800k monthly listeners on Spotify. I know that numbers don't matter, but c'mon... Just because he doesn't sound like everybody else makes him weird and people are like "wtf is this???", c'mon guys it's almost 2023
I remember being in class and hearing some friends talk about how bad Whole lotta Red was. That night I listened to it for the first time and instantly loved(I never really listened to Carti before this other than magnolia). These guys followed Carti for years and before were hyping up the album. Was such a confusing situation for me going into it and thinking it be absolute shit but then truthfully enjoying it. I get taste differences but they found every aspect of it as trash. I tried defending it but they just were unable to be convinced on any level. edit: just realized an other artist with the same situation for this is MGK such an amazing and misunderstood artist. honestly so sad to me that he is looked down upon as much as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with literally everything you said, especially the parts about "fans" memeing about the Yung Lean and Donda stuff. I thought I was the only one who realized that and how offensive/cringey/overused it is.
I think it’s definitely all relative. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to pause and reflect on what I see, hear, feel etc. So with art, music, fashion, design (and living in NYC has accelerated this btw), I can usually appreciate it for what it is even if I don’t really like it or it’s not my style. With that being said, I think a lot of artists and brands that are taking wild risks want and expect the hate to some degree. In my opinion, that means they’re doing something right. Your Balenciaga reference is on point - they have really zeroed in on their AUDIENCE. Additionally, I believe that artists and celebrities who have gained notoriety AND are “edgy” (for lack of better terms) are always in the crosshairs for becoming Internet memes, jokes, etc. Look at Yeat for example. Just my 2 cents on the whole thing. But like you, I challenge my friends and others to take a step back before judging any sort of creative work.
first thing i had to think of was bladee reaction videos where people are reacting, expecting to just bop their head to the beat and they hear something that theyre not accustomed to instead and just immediately badmouth it, like..u didnt even try to understand it, its just bad cause you couldnt bop your head and get hyped wtf
You could reflect this back to how the trend cycle is completely out of wack. How people exact clothes or art to just be in infinite supply. Its people trying to gain social points off of appearing a specific way. People don't like new things until its trendy. People want individuality but they want to fit in, its a contradiction. We live in a society of conflict. People don't like the state of American society but don't do anything to support change. Change is not supported. Its a ouroboros.
I hate when people call Ride from Death Grips a "screaming homeless guy" His writing alone is some of my favorite. It's rich with cryptic darkness and imagery, and the fact that he's able to perform with the energy and power it deserves is so awesome. Imo his contributions are what makes Death Grips such a unique and strong project It's so disrespectful to reduce his work to "lol crazy homeless guy." Don't call yourself a fan if you do that. I also think there's a racial undertone to it. His vocals are punk/metal influenced, but I don't see people listening to white-fronted bands like IDLES or Nails and saying the singer sounds like a mentally ill person on the street. Maybe it's some kind of gatekeeper response to seeing a black guy doing punk/metal in an innovative way, or maybe people just see a black guy raising his voice and see that as a threat. Either way, it's fucked up
always struck me as inappropriate for them to be labelled a 'hip hop' group just because of ride, when so many of their songs are noise rock/hardcore punk/industrial rock
@@Hedgieguy11 I think that's a fair assessment, but it's also worth noting that Ride does have a hiphop background. He was in a rap group called Fyre with his brother, and went by Mxlpxl. It's definitely an influence for DG, but sound-wise they definitely fall more in the electronic/industrial/punk category There's also an old photo of him with a Revenge (metal band) shirt, so I assume he has metal influences as well
Yeah basically most people don't make an effort to understand art that makes them uncomfortable in any way and they don't wanna make an effort, they just mock it. Which is a shame since such art is usually the best, very interesting and understanding it will make you a more open minded, accepting, sophisticated and mature person. You don't have to like it, but you should understand.
It’s easy to jump on the bandwagon and be conditioned to hate on things. So many people have their phones and having a quick laugh doesn’t hurt, and how the artist feels doesn’t affect them so they don’t care
The donda song is literally an INTRO. It's obviously not supposed to be listened to by itself and isn't supposed to be a SONG. How do they not understand that???
adding onto the donda track, it amazes me how listeners cannot see that an “album” does not mean that every piece of it will be digestible or have a catchy melody; an album is a piece/collection of art in the way that it can tell a story with a beginning and end (w interludes if needed). should music always be digestible and comfortable? i don’t believe so. cool video idea
nobody hates art, they just interpret the art differently, sometimes they don’t value it as much as you, sometimes they value it more. the real problem for the artists is feeding a fanbase that doesn’t value the artists art. because than the community can rip the artist apart, and the artist is powerless. so really, its the artist fault.
i think the stuff going on with sematarys fanbase is a lot worse than the barry dillion comments. The sematary fanbase has doxxed nearly everyone in hm and has turned the entire collective into a big joke with all of the unfunny memes that come out of the community. they also don’t respect the artists at all, continuing to harass and spread things about them that they have made clear they want no part of.
i dont know your political standing but anti-intellectualism and classifying things as “degenerate” (not real art for example) is literally the root of fascism and we should remove this way of thinking as much as we can in everything we do.
ok this is a serious -cancel all my meetings someone's wrong on the internet- kind of situation. but your take is complete and utter garbage lol - you seem to an art fan. you like to research the background, the context and the meaning of the art forms that you consume. - people are different, most of them do not deeply specialize in anything (which is not necessarily a bad thing, that's just how we were built) - the few that do specialize, will not necessarily specialize and care about art. There are many other things to explore, fuss and be particular about. - every human has a limited capacity on what they can care about, caring about things and being curious actually consumes a lot of energy. - people like familiar things, familiar things feel safer. - you assume that every one should do the same as they do, otherwise they're lazy, or they "refuse" to understand it. - if you make money out of art then it's a job - that job is called 'entertainment' - if your job is to entertain me, you don't get to choose what I prefer and what I do not prefer - there is definitely value in placing your own character and vision into art - if you can place that vision while still keeping me entertained, you're good at your job - if you don't consider art to be your job then who cares if people like it or not? - you do not blame the masses for not understanding something, you blame the individual who was not clear in communication - your mum gay - jk iloveu - bye
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i mostly agree with what you’re saying but the yung lean point makes no sense, having an inside joke within a fanbase has nothing to do with the interpretation of what they are a fan of. People comment Barry Dillon because it’s kinda funny and that doesn’t effect the art lean has created.
I agree, it's more of an aspect of community building rather than dismissing yung lean's pain
I agree. This is a point I basically kinda thought out but regretted after posting. I honestly think a better example is with sem fans commenting abt how greasy he is and stuff. I totally get inside jokes but sometimes fans will comment “drop album pls” or random jokes on serious posts or artists other projects. I.E. carti posting about narcissist and nobody caring. Imo this is insanely disrespectful especially when the artists work is very serious.
@xcissor you take this shit way to serious.
@xcissor no i totally agree with this, especially when memes are kinda the way a lot of people find out about new music nowadays, it taints how people view the artists and it become part of the narrative in magazines and shit as well. i also think it’s disrespectful when people bring it to the artists comment sections, not keeping it within just the fandom (say on reddit or some twitter group). it’s like people just treat the art itself as one big meme, it’s tiring. and kinda adjacent to the femboy jokes are the "drain this gang that" kinda oversexualized vulgar jokes which just feels even more cringe cus it's so antithesis to what their art is, if that makes sense. like memes can for sure be great when it actually is inside jokes that references stuff in their art etc, but often i feel like it's jokes just poking fun at or disrespecting them and the art, made by outsiders looking in or "fans" who really don't understand it, they're just in on it for the meme or the trend.
@xcissor when your 'fans' are making stupid ass jokes about for you dress or your music it probably doesn't feel good. Bladee is trying to spread a meaningful message and then there's some kids on tiktok saying "yall wonder if bladee and ecco2k ever had gay sex". Like it's not funny and it's honestly kind of disgusting.
I’ve been saying this for years. But like you said with Yeezus I remember being the only person in my school who loved it but everyone hated it. Mainly because I was so driven by art and understanding it’s motifs and references. It made me interested in fashion and music and other forms of media to a point where I could never look at art at face value and always could find some meaning behind most that I enjoyed. Great takes here, it always makes me sad when I see people criticize rather than investigate
you make great points and its honestly sad. i feel like because of how extremely accessible everything is nowadays and how chronically online a lot of kids have become because of covid, theres been a rapid decline of genuine curiosity and patiently waiting for things that dont exist yet. trends are moving at the speed of light, theres little to no sense of community in a lot of different areas, and i feel like no one truly gets excited about anything anymore. we have also become so desensitized to a lot of things happening on the daily. its crazy
I agree, I think it's much harder to see the value in things when it's so easily accessible and abundant. The internet shoves so many things in your face constantly that it's hard to parse through the noise and figure out what's worth sitting with. It's far too easy to get washed away in the endless stream of vapid entertainment
the minute you look at music (or art in general) with a curious eye, a whole new world opens up to you
I’ve always felt this has more to do with people just being shitty and immature. Every underground artist’s fan base seems to be full of horrible people. The general populace does hate art though. They don’t view The Lion King as art, they view it as a Disney product, so anything that isn’t this easily digestible and culturally accepted product is automatically labeled as weird. The average person’s world view is actually insanely narrow and depressing.
every once in a while when you get those glimpses into how an average person looks around the world and at art especially it really just makes you sad.
People just missing out for their entire lives, I honestly don't know how I would live without all the music that I love and that love wouldn't be possible if I was as narrow minded as the average person
100% agree. I remember the night when WLR dropped, and I skipped so many tracks mindlessly. I didn't even give them a chance. Looking back, I almost feel guilty. Seeing the influence of WLR and how it continues to shape music in general blows my mind. I saw it in other comments and I'll reiterate, it all seems to come down to accessibility. With the new age of technology we can become picky chicken nugget eating children with the content we consume. Different as a concept has shifted from being innovative to "mid", at the least in the music world. This video was a great reminder of the fact that art is always changing and we as consumers need to embrace that.
another lesson from the drain scholar himself thank you matt 😁
Great video. Been thinking about this for a while. I try to not to pay attention to what people are saying about art online. Some people will never get it and that’s fine by me. Nothing we can do about it.
Such a great video
Great video Matt.
This is something I think about a lot and don’t understand. I generally have two main questions adjacent to this
1. I have a lot of friends who are general hip hop fans (post Malone, Kanye, J cole etc) who whenever I manage to get them to listen to a Carti song claim how bad it is and he’s just yelping on the mic. And the baffling part to me is how they just blanketly claim it’s bad and not be at least a little interested in it or at the minimum appreciate that he is trying something new. I could understand if it was semetary and he only has 100k listeners and is small. But someone like carti who has so many fans, how you could just think that all these people just like “trash music” and be happy with that answer. Every time I find some new artist that I initially don’t understand I am so curious to try to find out why ppl like it. because there will always be at least one small group that every piece of art pertains to. And I am able to at the least appreciate that the person is trying something creative.
2. I will never understand the people that get ready for the next lil baby album that sounds the exact same as the past 4. How can you not be at least a little curious what’s out there or wish for your artist to do something new. Sure I want another eversince or unknown memory, but I know that those artists have moved on and as long as they are trying something new I am excited. Sure you can say that people just don’t care enough about music, but I just don’t see how they aren’t at least a little more curious
Bro it fucking drives me nuts when people are giving rave reviews for a new Drake or Lil Baby album, like it's the blandest most commercial shit in the world how are you possibly so emotionally invested in that when there is so much other, actually profound art to pour your emotions into. Like these people are legitimately excited about a Drake song called "Pussy and Millions". Wow so relatable to us common folk right? And people will let that be their fav song of the year or some shit. Really baffling to me.
great insight, i love this societal commentary mixed with musical genre discussion type of video. My two cents is that some people are raised in very ignorant environemnts where a sense of curiousity is not nurtured in them from a young age. I see it differently from you however. The fact that they are even clicking on the video in the first place shows they have some modicum of interest in the art you say they are reviling. But imo something had to bring them there in the first place. Even if you are hating you are still exposing yourself to it, meaning the creator is still getting streams and maybe one day you will warm up to it. Heck I even seen people who shit on these artists own merch from them. Trolls are people that secretly like something and deflect by hating on it. Yes these people are twenty etc but they still have time to come back and check it out especially as nostalgia grows for it as is so often the case in the music industry. Hating is form a flattery, as humans we are subconsciously attracted to things they find weird, even if they express it as criticism. Eventually the time will come when this too gets normalized and accepted to the point of being deemed as good art. Remember when picasso was thought of as trash? For some people the only way to reconcile their interest in this strange artist is to make fun of them,. Were living in the meme era, where peoples default mode is irony. As art gets increasingly werid, people form a love hate relationship with it. I.e. massive balenciaga puffer memes. And Ive seen so many people make light of their affinity for drain gang by making memes about them or clown on them online as a way of showing you care. alot of it is self aware ribbing because people who enjoy art know how it looks from the outside. Not a bad thing not to take yourself too seriously. I think thats peoples criticism with ar tfigures like Carti or. ian Connor , they think they are special or something and then jump the gun. In conclusion, people like the underdog, whether they outwardly admit it or not. The artist is still receiving visibility, any publicity is good publicity. Nowadays no one cares what people put time into but thats a given across the. board as we lose proximity to the act of making and our attention spans dwindle.
the collective lack of openmindedness and critical thinking amongst these fandoms is actually crazy to me esp when it comes to drain gang and bladee's evolution as an artist...i dont understand how people claim to be fans of artists they clearly have no human respect for this video is spot on people dont like art they like palatable easy-to-consume content with minimal intellect involved
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I agree with everything you said and it’s something I have always thought about. Especially when people say shit like “I could have easily done that,” or some shit like that. It bothers me. People think just because something is simplistic in nature means that doesn’t have a deeper meaning behind it. People just want to be ignorant nowadays
Great video
totally agree with this bro, especially with the balenciaga show. It just makes me sad that the art form I am most passionate about being fashion, runway fashion is so easily dismissed by people who don't think about what they're looking at. It makes me not want to consume any fashion media anymore just because of how sad I feel looking at the reactions. It just makes me not want to design clothing to be consumed or sold to other people and I especially don't want my basic clothing to be worn by the same people who hate the haute couture side, the important side, without a second thought. All in all it just makes me sad people refuse to even look at something different to their own comfort zone.
I think what frustrates me the most is how dismissive general audiences can be to new sounds, styles, lyrical themes and deliveries, etc. Social media has made it so much easier for underground musicians to breakthrough to the mainstream with algorithmic marketing on platforms like tiktok. The issue is that these platforms are not build for these artists. While there are so many people who love music and want to understand as many styles of music as possible, the average music consumer is simply not going to be that person. There's a reason why the same bland pop songs end up with millions of streams across streaming platforms. Most people generally are not passionate enough about music to stray from the mainstream and as a result, whatever manages to emerge to the surface that stands out from the rest that float on top is going to recieve criticism for being different. I don't generally think there's a problem with people who don't stray from the mainstream. I'm not a fan of movies for example, so you'll never catch me at an avant-garde film festival, you'll only catch me at an occasional screening of a new buzzworthy box office hit. This doesn't mean that I should trash on films that I don't personally understand or have an interest in. But unfortunately social media has created a space that makes it so easy to complain about pretty much everything, even if deep down you really don't care all that much.
On an opposite note. I think it’s interesting too to think about how just through music and the aesthetics that they give off, music artists can prove themselves as genius and creative thinkers. For example, at this point carti has proven to me that he knows what he is doing and I have full trust in him that the next thing he puts out will be creative and I will enjoy it because every time he pivots it turns out to be creative and enjoyable. Instead of having to be a painter or writer, random people off the street or suburbs can prove to be incredibly reliable and genius creative thinkers. And anyone in the world can be this way given the state of the internet.
this is a very well put together video! i remember when i first heard Whole Lotta Red I hated it, but now its one of my favorite records; I've listened to it from front to back way more times than I could count. The ideas on that record are so creative and ground breaking. I'll never forgive myself for not enjoying it sooner. Keep making videos! I really enjoy your content
great vid -- people just hate what they can't (or refuse to try to) understand
I can understand why carti doesn't like to do much for his fans. Most of them, at least on his subreddit are making fun of absolutely everything he does, it's crazy. He made merch and I will admit it's not Amazing but it's not bad either. And everyone calls it trash. They make fun of how he speaks in interviews or dms, about how he's a deadbeat father, how he dresses, his son AND his persona isn't understood (which is meant to be a character he plays). They don't take him seriously. They think it's corny and just want new music, even though it's what makes him different and cooler than other artists. We should be happy he's doing anything at all instead of staying silent until he drops the next album. I hope he won't be scared to drop something experimental again.
That's why Bladee is literally the best sounding artist of this generation but has only 800k monthly listeners on Spotify. I know that numbers don't matter, but c'mon... Just because he doesn't sound like everybody else makes him weird and people are like "wtf is this???", c'mon guys it's almost 2023
aye that number has pretty much doubled from a few years ago
An astute observation from the Drain Scholar himself
Matt why are you getting so good at making videos
I remember being in class and hearing some friends talk about how bad Whole lotta Red was. That night I listened to it for the first time and instantly loved(I never really listened to Carti before this other than magnolia). These guys followed Carti for years and before were hyping up the album. Was such a confusing situation for me going into it and thinking it be absolute shit but then truthfully enjoying it. I get taste differences but they found every aspect of it as trash. I tried defending it but they just were unable to be convinced on any level.
edit: just realized an other artist with the same situation for this is MGK such an amazing and misunderstood artist. honestly so sad to me that he is looked down upon as much as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You lost me at MGK. lmao
awesome video
I agree with literally everything you said, especially the parts about "fans" memeing about the Yung Lean and Donda stuff. I thought I was the only one who realized that and how offensive/cringey/overused it is.
I think it’s definitely all relative. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned to pause and reflect on what I see, hear, feel etc. So with art, music, fashion, design (and living in NYC has accelerated this btw), I can usually appreciate it for what it is even if I don’t really like it or it’s not my style. With that being said, I think a lot of artists and brands that are taking wild risks want and expect the hate to some degree. In my opinion, that means they’re doing something right. Your Balenciaga reference is on point - they have really zeroed in on their AUDIENCE.
Additionally, I believe that artists and celebrities who have gained notoriety AND are “edgy” (for lack of better terms) are always in the crosshairs for becoming Internet memes, jokes, etc. Look at Yeat for example. Just my 2 cents on the whole thing. But like you, I challenge my friends and others to take a step back before judging any sort of creative work.
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why do you only have 9k subs, i love the way you think so much dude. really good videos
first thing i had to think of was bladee reaction videos where people are reacting, expecting to just bop their head to the beat and they hear something that theyre not accustomed to instead and just immediately badmouth it, like..u didnt even try to understand it, its just bad cause you couldnt bop your head and get hyped wtf
You could reflect this back to how the trend cycle is completely out of wack. How people exact clothes or art to just be in infinite supply. Its people trying to gain social points off of appearing a specific way. People don't like new things until its trendy. People want individuality but they want to fit in, its a contradiction. We live in a society of conflict. People don't like the state of American society but don't do anything to support change. Change is not supported. Its a ouroboros.
Loving your content 💚😊
dont ever stop making vids bro
"it aint that deep bro" is the worst phrase popularized by our generation
yeah having any sort of emotional investment and passion in anything is "cringe" nowadays
I think it’s a common theme, ‘the refusal to understand’ relates to many other societal issues.
preach
really sick video!!
people wont get it yet but they will
this is a really good video
I hate when people call Ride from Death Grips a "screaming homeless guy"
His writing alone is some of my favorite. It's rich with cryptic darkness and imagery, and the fact that he's able to perform with the energy and power it deserves is so awesome. Imo his contributions are what makes Death Grips such a unique and strong project
It's so disrespectful to reduce his work to "lol crazy homeless guy." Don't call yourself a fan if you do that.
I also think there's a racial undertone to it. His vocals are punk/metal influenced, but I don't see people listening to white-fronted bands like IDLES or Nails and saying the singer sounds like a mentally ill person on the street. Maybe it's some kind of gatekeeper response to seeing a black guy doing punk/metal in an innovative way, or maybe people just see a black guy raising his voice and see that as a threat. Either way, it's fucked up
always struck me as inappropriate for them to be labelled a 'hip hop' group just because of ride, when so many of their songs are noise rock/hardcore punk/industrial rock
@@Hedgieguy11 I think that's a fair assessment, but it's also worth noting that Ride does have a hiphop background. He was in a rap group called Fyre with his brother, and went by Mxlpxl. It's definitely an influence for DG, but sound-wise they definitely fall more in the electronic/industrial/punk category
There's also an old photo of him with a Revenge (metal band) shirt, so I assume he has metal influences as well
This is such a based video
Yeah basically most people don't make an effort to understand art that makes them uncomfortable in any way and they don't wanna make an effort, they just mock it. Which is a shame since such art is usually the best, very interesting and understanding it will make you a more open minded, accepting, sophisticated and mature person. You don't have to like it, but you should understand.
people don't give a fuck about the soul of anything, they just want whatever they've been made to believe gets the most clout in their social group
good video man
back2life reaction when
I agree with most the stuff but the barry dillion part didnt make sense
It’s easy to jump on the bandwagon and be conditioned to hate on things. So many people have their phones and having a quick laugh doesn’t hurt, and how the artist feels doesn’t affect them so they don’t care
The donda song is literally an INTRO. It's obviously not supposed to be listened to by itself and isn't supposed to be a SONG. How do they not understand that???
i dont know if these people hate art but just might not have such a high value on it or may not be as interested in as most of us on this video are
adding onto the donda track, it amazes me how listeners cannot see that an “album” does not mean that every piece of it will be digestible or have a catchy melody; an album is a piece/collection of art in the way that it can tell a story with a beginning and end (w interludes if needed). should music always be digestible and comfortable? i don’t believe so.
cool video idea
thank you vsauce matt
my mom loves semetary now
but for real ive been kinda upset by the closemindedness concerning art of some people for a while, you put it into words beautifully
nobody hates art, they just interpret the art differently, sometimes they don’t value it as much as you, sometimes they value it more. the real problem for the artists is feeding a fanbase that doesn’t value the artists art. because than the community can rip the artist apart, and the artist is powerless.
so really, its the artist fault.
Hey what u think about new thaiboy
Haven’t heard yet. Filing reaction when I get home from thanksgiving
Most People Hate Art .
i think the stuff going on with sematarys fanbase is a lot worse than the barry dillion comments. The sematary fanbase has doxxed nearly everyone in hm and has turned the entire collective into a big joke with all of the unfunny memes that come out of the community. they also don’t respect the artists at all, continuing to harass and spread things about them that they have made clear they want no part of.
Agree. Totally should’ve used this as an example. Definitely the phenomenon I was discussing
are you yun leam
Capitalism
Bingo. It’s the commodification of art that makes people behave this way.
Correction: The Balenciaga show Haute Couture, it was Ready to Wear.
Yeah I know haute couture just sounded better for the point I was making but would’ve been better to say that. Thanks for the correction.
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i dont know your political standing but anti-intellectualism and classifying things as “degenerate” (not real art for example) is literally the root of fascism and we should remove this way of thinking as much as we can in everything we do.
ok this is a serious -cancel all my meetings someone's wrong on the internet- kind of situation.
but your take is complete and utter garbage lol
- you seem to an art fan. you like to research the background, the context and the meaning of the art forms that you consume.
- people are different, most of them do not deeply specialize in anything (which is not necessarily a bad thing, that's just how we were built)
- the few that do specialize, will not necessarily specialize and care about art. There are many other things to explore, fuss and be particular about.
- every human has a limited capacity on what they can care about, caring about things and being curious actually consumes a lot of energy.
- people like familiar things, familiar things feel safer.
- you assume that every one should do the same as they do, otherwise they're lazy, or they "refuse" to understand it.
- if you make money out of art then it's a job
- that job is called 'entertainment'
- if your job is to entertain me, you don't get to choose what I prefer and what I do not prefer
- there is definitely value in placing your own character and vision into art
- if you can place that vision while still keeping me entertained, you're good at your job
- if you don't consider art to be your job then who cares if people like it or not?
- you do not blame the masses for not understanding something, you blame the individual who was not clear in communication
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- jk iloveu
- bye