The pack was originally designed as an extension to the Alice pack main pack it is designed to be attached to the lid flap of the slice pack. So that the main pack could be left at the base camp and the smaller assault pack can be detached and used as for the part where you think is a mistake or stitching come loose it is actualy a pocket designed to help carry a shovel or digging tools to bury clamores just under the surface of the ground leaving the triggering device on the top of the mine exposed.
Army, 00-12, had this issued from 05-07. I left it at home. Never really used it, the CFP-90 was big enough to hold everything and the butt pack was big enough to be an assault pack. Never really saw the need until I got one recently. Pack it with sustainment gear for a 2-3 day camping trip. Also, yes it was originally supposed to be the lid on the larger pack. Problem was, if it was loaded, it would start slapping you on the back of the head. They quickly moved it to cover the ALICE webbing on the back of the larger pack.
There wasn't a plastic frame sheet, just the pad. It was the lid for the field pack. It is not a great patrol pack, you don't want to double time with it on, but it was ahead of it's time, and served a purpose in the field. When not in field pack lid mode, it attached to the ELBV (the ALICE vest with the 4 ammo pouches and 2 grenade pouches sewed on) and was good for transporting MREs, snivel gear, and pogey bait that wouldn't fit into a butt pack to a LPOP. Nothing too heavy. It was good at limiting gear to only what was "needed". The slot is not bad stitching. I used it to stow my E-tool. High end gear companies like Kifaru undoubtedly borrowed from this and made their guide lid.
Agreed... a better "combat" pack would be the molle 3 day assault pack. They can be had, all day long, for about $35 and are modular for adding pouches etc. to increase the load They can be spray painted if you can't abide the ACU pattern.
So that's the small pack that's part of the CFP-90 ruck. When you said 'it's kind of square.' I remembered what those 'patrol packs' that attach to the CFP-90 looked like. I've never seen one for sale by itself - usually with large ruck or they sell main ruck by itself. I've read CFP-90 main ruck had some suspension issues - 1990s issue?
I just acquired one of those from a yard sale last weekend. I was thinking of doing just that with it. Making a pack lide for my ALICE pack project.... I will let you know how it turned out. I cinched it up with those barrel locks and it cinched up into something like a pack lid. I will play around with it and get back with you.
I believe we were issued one of those with a Vector Pack? I think that was just what we called them. I don't remember the full name maybe it was IIFS? Not sure. . Internal frame woodland pack, carried like a sack of potatoes. Never really used the small pack though as it wasn't super practical for our uses. Your improvement look great. The straps always were too small.
Yes, the Lowe pro Vector pack ... the first olive green version didn't have a lid. Those small straps were supposed to go over the shoulder pads of the Tactical load bearing vest and secured with the snap webbing straps, and with the LBV over the PASGT vest it would be enough padding :)
Something I just thought of, since you have those Male QASM Fastex style buckles because you've replaced the should straps you could take the should pads off and clip this onto an LBV88 that has the Females buckles on the shold pads [at least I think it was the LBV88 that had buckles on the shoulders.] Now for a way to secure the pack at the wasit of the vest hmm...
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 yes, some early prototypes had those buckles on the back of the shoulders.. I've seen Marines running the thin packstraps through the wide webbing on the back of the LBV like they did with the Camelback Mule, Viper, Thermobak etc in Iraq - neither were ideal solutions!
can you back that up with some documentation? the only way i can see that hole accomdating an e-tool is if you used the old vietnam era wooden handle etool.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 , my friend Lee was an Army Ranger in the 1980s, and he stated that is what it is used for. The entrenching tool slides down inside that hole. Dudes who carry a radio used a different type of pack. Hope that helps. The Army did still have some Vietnam era stuff in the 80s.
Odd shape, bad seem, hole in the side, thin back pad, and it's still a badass pack simply because it's woodland camo..!!!! Semper-fi sir
The pack was originally designed as an extension to the Alice pack main pack it is designed to be attached to the lid flap of the slice pack. So that the main pack could be left at the base camp and the smaller assault pack can be detached and used as for the part where you think is a mistake or stitching come loose it is actualy a pocket designed to help carry a shovel or digging tools to bury clamores just under the surface of the ground leaving the triggering device on the top of the mine exposed.
Nice to know about the shovel slot.
Thank you for sharing. I have the same pack and wanted to know more information about it.
The X-large ALICE Pack, the CFPO90 :)
Army, 00-12, had this issued from 05-07. I left it at home. Never really used it, the CFP-90 was big enough to hold everything and the butt pack was big enough to be an assault pack. Never really saw the need until I got one recently. Pack it with sustainment gear for a 2-3 day camping trip.
Also, yes it was originally supposed to be the lid on the larger pack. Problem was, if it was loaded, it would start slapping you on the back of the head. They quickly moved it to cover the ALICE webbing on the back of the larger pack.
There wasn't a plastic frame sheet, just the pad. It was the lid for the field pack. It is not a great patrol pack, you don't want to double time with it on, but it was ahead of it's time, and served a purpose in the field. When not in field pack lid mode, it attached to the ELBV (the ALICE vest with the 4 ammo pouches and 2 grenade pouches sewed on) and was good for transporting MREs, snivel gear, and pogey bait that wouldn't fit into a butt pack to a LPOP. Nothing too heavy. It was good at limiting gear to only what was "needed". The slot is not bad stitching. I used it to stow my E-tool.
High end gear companies like Kifaru undoubtedly borrowed from this and made their guide lid.
I am an old 0311 that was issued this pack and the main pack. I was a plank owner at CBIRF from 96-97.
Seabee were issued this POS with the CFP90. Most of us purchased other options.
The reason why the Eagle AIII type teardrop pack became so popular!
Thank you for posting this video. I appreciate it.
Agreed... a better "combat" pack would be the molle 3 day assault pack. They can be had, all day long, for about $35 and are modular for adding pouches etc. to increase the load They can be spray painted if you can't abide the ACU pattern.
So that's the small pack that's part of the CFP-90 ruck. When you said 'it's kind of square.' I remembered what those 'patrol packs' that attach to the CFP-90 looked like. I've never seen one for sale by itself - usually with large ruck or they sell main ruck by itself. I've read CFP-90 main ruck had some suspension issues - 1990s issue?
The cords were there to cinch up the pack if you were carrying a small load in it
I just acquired one of those from a yard sale last weekend. I was thinking of doing just that with it. Making a pack lide for my ALICE pack project....
I will let you know how it turned out. I cinched it up with those barrel locks and it cinched up into something like a pack lid.
I will play around with it and get back with you.
i am very interested in seeing what you come up with!
I believe we were issued one of those with a Vector Pack? I think that was just what we called them. I don't remember the full name maybe it was IIFS? Not sure. . Internal frame woodland pack, carried like a sack of potatoes. Never really used the small pack though as it wasn't super practical for our uses. Your improvement look great. The straps always were too small.
Yes, the Lowe pro Vector pack ... the first olive green version didn't have a lid. Those small straps were supposed to go over the shoulder pads of the Tactical load bearing vest and secured with the snap webbing straps, and with the LBV over the PASGT vest it would be enough padding :)
Looking for a Go Bag (Skram). Do you know it and know where to find one in the USA, please?
A bandoleer will snap into the snaps for the radio if not in use
Bummer..mine doesn't have the antenna port..how to date the pack? Thanks!
Something I just thought of, since you have those Male QASM Fastex style buckles because you've replaced the should straps you could take the should pads off and clip this onto an LBV88 that has the Females buckles on the shold pads [at least I think it was the LBV88 that had buckles on the shoulders.] Now for a way to secure the pack at the wasit of the vest hmm...
that was an earlier version of the LBV88 and yes that was what they were going for. i assume it didnt work
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 yes, some early prototypes had those buckles on the back of the shoulders.. I've seen Marines running the thin packstraps through the wide webbing on the back of the LBV like they did with the Camelback Mule, Viper, Thermobak etc in Iraq - neither were ideal solutions!
The hole in the top of the pack was for an entrenching tool to slide down in there. Not a radio antenna.
can you back that up with some documentation? the only way i can see that hole accomdating an e-tool is if you used the old vietnam era wooden handle etool.
@@renaissancemarinetv3536 , my friend Lee was an Army Ranger in the 1980s, and he stated that is what it is used for. The entrenching tool slides down inside that hole. Dudes who carry a radio used a different type of pack. Hope that helps. The Army did still have some Vietnam era stuff in the 80s.
The E tool used by then had evolved to the folding, triangle handle type. No way that handle would fit through that.
@@jbenn4379 , my friend Lee was IN the Army; he used THAT exact pack; he said that is what the hole was for. So what do you say it was for?