Corporals Corner Mid-Week Video #19 Old School Gear Challenge the LBE Versus the LBV Which is Better
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My Australian Grandfather was at a place called Pozieres Ridge in 1916. The Krauts had made a breakthrough with Stormtrooper superior forces . Eight Australians digging out of a Bunker .Reliable reports say it was 20 to 1 against the Australians who went at the Krauts who had Captured other Australians who had been devastated after Eight Hours of Shelling, mostly wounded ,captured and being taken back to the Krauts Lines. All Eight, in Eyewitness reports being Hit multiple times, rounded up the Krauts killing or capturing the Enemy forces ! Freeing their Mates !....now my People the Australians have been covertly exterminated and covertly replaced with mostly moronic third world migrants ...Lest WE forget.
Thank you for this video
very helpful info on how and why to set up the gear. another reason to have the belt at your navel is if you feel yours sides at that level, that is actually where the top of your hips are. you want the wait distributed onto your hips at the waist. chainmail is worn with a belt at the waist to help the weight of the chainmail to be distributed to your hips and not left solely to your shoulders. 🤗
Thank you for your Service Brother! Great mid week vid and info!!!
Does the wide mouth canteen have the attachment to accept the gas mask straw like the plastic one you have?
Semper Fi!
I went in in '88 and had LBE...as you know, it was All Purpose for an Individual!
As a old fart, I like the LBE. The nylon is better than the cotton, for at least one reason. The nylon doesn't rot away in hot humid conditions.
I like the weight being mostly on the hips with LBE. The vest puts the weight and stress on the lower back.
When my unit moved to the vest it was so hated our company commander had to threaten Article 15's for us to use them.
We switched back to our LBE's when two guys ended up with back injuries. Those giant shoulder pads hung up their rucks when we were dropping packs.
As a child growing up in the 80's, with all of the action movies, Soldier of Fortune magazine, and the cold war raging in the news on TV, for me, having a complete set of ALICE gear was the Holy Grail of all military equipment.
I can still remember the smell of digging through a used gear bin at the local Army & Navy store, dreaming about building a perfectly correct infantryman's loadout. Oh the memories!!!
Ultimately my Mother actually helped me fill out a paper order form from the Brigade Quartermaster's catalog, sign a check, stuff it all in a stamped envelope, and drop it in the mailbox. I don't remember exactly how long it took to finally receive that order, but it felt like an eternity. 😃 lol
Once it arrived, I put it all together, and my friends and I were off to the woods, to run around acting out our favorite military movie scenes.
Great times! 🙂
Like you, my personal preference, after all these years, is still the good old LBE. I combine it with my ALICE pack, and I'm good to go.
Ah, deuce gear! I took my swing at the Corps with OCS in the '70s. During the first increment in '75, I was issued WWII 782 gear and an M14! In '77, we got ALICE and we thought we were on top of the world!
I far prefer the M1956 pattern with the H-harness, for all the reasons you mention. IF I ever have to go prone for protection, I want as little as possible between me and the Good Earth! Carrying a bunch of gear on a chest rig just looks like it keeps the wearer too high.
There's also an episode of 'Magnum, P.I.' where he wears an LBE rig for a day hike.
Hey Corporal....I've been with you for over 3 years now, went back and watched Every single video from your start and I've learned a few knots, Many shelters, and Hundreds of hours of
Invaluable information...so my Brother, I'll be right here for the last Ever video !!!!....
Which I Hope never comes....Ever Forward !!
One of your best midweek videos, I've never been in the military nor will I ever do what you do, but, I truly enjoy watching and flowing you. You are doing what you want to in life and that rocks.
We wore the ammo pouches directly in front on the belt when I was in the Air Force. There’s an eyelet on the ammo pouch the suspender can attach to.
Might be a little critical to assume someone wasn’t in the military or hadn’t use this setup based on where the mag pouches are. Because that would be a broad assumption
The SAW pouches almost require the use of those eyelets. A 200rd drum is heavy and worn on the side, tend to flop.
Old infantryman here, old school LBE for me.
putting one together again to have put up.
Same here 11B4H
Hey corp. I don’t remember if you’ve ever done this, but a neat reminder for a midweek clip would be to remind people to make charcoal whenever the opportunity comes up. I was homeless for a short 30 month stint in the early 70’s living in a low cider lock hut I built in a patch of woods behind a grocery store, and I had to be careful about smoke from my cook fire because the local talent would call the cops. In my frequent scrounging I found two sections of 6 inch clay sewer pipe. Whenever I had a fire, I had this pipe stuffed with dry oak chunks (be sure to seal the ends with clay) against the fire so I had a steady supply of slower burning, relatively smokeless fuel. Easy to do and takes very little effort.
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Hang in there Kelly!!!!!
We Need You, FRIEND
I'm an LBE kinda grunt.1982 baby.
Long Live the Republic 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 God Bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
As a Brit, I have to say I love the molle gear and gucci stuff the kids have these days, but our version of the LBE was 58 Pattern webbing, still have it, still love it, still use it.
Thanks! You did a better job explaining the load out than my drill sergeant did 43 years ago!
Those ammo pouches, I cut the plastic inside, then a Sawyer Mini Filter Kit fits inside, it makes a great water kit to have on the belt.
I love the old school gear. When I was in the Army back in the late 80's, I wore and used the LBE. It was great gear, versatile, light weight and very functional. I do miss it. If I ever come across another one, I'm getting it. Great video Shawn; definitely a trip down memory lane for me.
This us what you do best. Equipment comparisons and how to wear and use. While I am recovering from throat cancer surgery this Tuesday, I will be catching up on some of your past videos. Keep up the good work.😊
First! Great video man. I love seeing the older gear in play.
I am a Vietnam Vet and the y harness is my favorite because it is what I am familiar with and used. I have adaptive my y to hold bedroll for overnight or multi day trips. Good info and examples with your video. Thanks for your service.
I love this-thank you so much for posting-I use so much surplus and have brought my children up on these types of load outs and gear. Proud moment they have continued doing this into their own adult years.
I'm with you, LBE all the way. I wasn't always this sweet little old grandma.
The LBE/LCE is still best for the Infantry on foot. The LBV is more for being in a vehicle; Hummer or M113 or any armored vehicle. The LBV has it's own rear pack, not shown in the video. More of a camelbak looking thing. Basically, less snagging going in and out of a vehicle, esp. a hatch. Using a modded pilot vest with an LBE seems to work too. You can load up or load down depending on the situation. Great video!
When I was at USMC boot in 2004 we used these, I got exposure to MOLLE vest at MCT, and I had a MOLLE MTV while I was over seas, aside from protection. I like the aesthetics and ease of the ALICE system.
I have 3 setups; M1956/M1967 H-Harness, ALICE Y-Harness, and Enhanced Tactical Vest. My favorite is the LBV, however I do like the H-Harness also.
The real answer is they are all good. The Y-Harness has the least material on your back so you cool off better. The H-Harness has better weight distribution, and the M1967 Harness has hooks for a second buttpack if you need it. The LBV lets you load up a ton of stuff with extra pouches. They all work well. They are all battle tested. They all get the job done on a small budget.
I say get all 3 systems so you can have the flexibility of using whichever one fits the role best. I have about $200 in all 3 setups. I do still need a couple buttpacks and an ammo pouch for the 56 gear, but you can set up an LBV and ALICE for about $120. That's total, not each. Throw in an ALICE pack and you are GOLD.
My LBE was like my best friend in the Army in the mid to late 90s went every with me and always had my back😜🇺🇸
First,enjoy your mid week videos. Next, what great info you share . Interesting how new equipment is designed. I like the old school one.
Old school gear will always be king
When I came in the military in the mid 70's they were transitioning to the nylon LBE. It was all green and had the Y harness. I liked the bit older gear and chose the cotton web belt the old H harness and buttpack which was made for it. This is what the old salts from vietnam wore and to me, it just felt better. The only downside was it needed more care in asian locations due to rot when being wet . When I was stationed in europe in the early 80's I found a older X harness that was from WW2. Although it didn't have the padding the H harness had, it did distribute the weight of the gear better. It wasn't until the mid to late 80's, when I changed to the LBE nylon Y harness. Our unit was transitioning to the LBV when I left the military early 90's, to pursue a career change into law enforcement. Good video with a bit of individual history wrapped into it.
The LBE sure brings back memories!! 😊
Thank you for another great video!!
The LBE is my favorite for all the reasons you stated. I have a slightly larger butt pack. I tried a commercial mesh vest , to hot , not adaptable. For day hikes nothing beats the LBE.
Been using US military gear since a neighbor gave me his WWII Musette pack when I was a kid. Later I acquired a USMC WW II 1945 issue pack. Purchased a Alice pack when a senior in high school in 74 and also purchased the all-cotton LBE with H Harness at the same time and later the nylon version. Also have a LBV with padded shoulder and all mesh use primarily for mtn. biking. The LBE still used for hiking and overnighters in Arizona. Though not military I did thirty-four years in the fire service, and I appreciate you reviewing the proper way to wear the LBE which I have been doing since using the gear. Lot of hikers/backpackers advise me I should lower the belt and wear it like a hip belt.
I still use both. If I HAD to grab one, id grab my alice gear. Including my medium alice pack , with frame, and woodland pack cover.
I'm old school I retired in 1994. Like you I use the lbe for a long time even after I retired I was using it on my hikes in the woods. I was introduced to a late 90s zippered FLC vest. M81 Woodland camouflage you know God's camouflage. That one is very comfortable I've got the canteens on there, Old School Woodland butt pack, and my Woodland Poncho rolled up like we used to carry it on the upper back portion. It's basically a military-style Daypack with all the accessories that you would need for bushcrafting out for the day. As always stay frosty AF
That titanium bottle would be an awesome upgrade as the green plastic made the water taste terrible. Good video bud
I can see why you like the one system. Especially if you're carrying a sidearm. Thanks for sharing the difference between the systems Corporal Kelly. Have a great day.
I still prefer the H harness LBE. It took me digging through several pallets of old gear to find mine when I was in, but when you are a medic, you need a little bit more support for your gear.
Great to see some kit info, I miss the old gear reviews!!
I still use the LBE (web gear) as my standard for hunting and hiking Alice gear for the win
I love your military midweek videos. Especially the history of military and products.
ALICE gear with the "butt pack" and utility belt. Old school, but it works for me.
Holly shit that brings back memories of having that gear !! Nice job on video as always!!! Keep kicking ass and taking names!!! 🤝🤝🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🔪👍👍
Shawn , We called in it Duce gear (782). We had a entrenching tool . And Bayonet.
so did we, but most didnt so I used the legit name
Awesome and makes a lot of sense. Can tell some times that the people designing the equipment are not the ones wearing it in the field. Dad had several plastic canteens that when he got out we used to deer scout and while hunting. Outstanding
I like Alice deuce gear as a low vis option for hiking/PT as well. Nobody knows if you have 180 rounds of ammo in the pouches or not and it's none of their business. For day hikes you can cram the pouches full of snacks, light medical gear, your powerbank, keys, wallet, phone, sunscreen, bug spray, whatever. Yes, all that junk would fit in a backpack but a backpack would get your back soaked and never dry, and a large fanny pack can't hold a real amount of water!
I was notified by youtube. I'm also subscribed so they are doing their part imo with all Your videos because I get all your notifications 🙂
I'm old & still prefer the "harness." The vest has its points, but to me, falls short of the harness.
I received the notification from YT about your midweek video before your email. Awesome 👍. I appreciate your time and effort making this for us. See ya Sunday.
I like the LBE. Free open chest area so you can get real low when you have to hit the dirt.
I was in during the 80's. We were issued LBE. I preferred the H-harness. If you had a pistol the cheesey leather holster attached to your web belt. We wore ours lower, if you wore it high it got in the way of your ruck. Great videos , keep up the good work.
The best part of the LBV was cannabalizing the shoulder harness portion and using it in place of the issued Y harness. Super easy mod and hella comfortable in the field.
@@TexasNationalist1836 concur, the older M1956 suspenders were better in this respect as they were 4-point harness. Chopping up the LBV shoulder harness recreated that suspension though. All you had to do was unlace the panels, snip the front adjustment straps on the front and replace them with the front straps off a Y harness. If you grabbed a couple Y harnesses from the surplus store then you could get really fancy and use the rear, y-shaped straps on the front of your modified LBV harness. This helps spread the load around your waist and give better support. Of course you stripped those buckles and replaced them with 550 like everyone learned after the first ruck and them digging into your body.
@@TexasNationalist1836Get a Condor H harness. I rig the belt with Paracord loops for the suspenders. My butt pack is a SpecOps S.O.B. The big D rings are perfect for the Condor straps. Pack dropped? Use the loops.
I was in before you so I kept all my deuce gear. I have the H harness on mine and the belt has the metal buckle. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it so I’ve used it for years. Good information
I have both, use them effectively, depending on my needs.
Right? I can never choose so I figure I'd let the situation dictate and do my best with the advice of people who've done it
Building out my own LBE currently. Great video, Corporal!
I just mixmaster stuff for my uses.
One time i was running a cobbled together load bearing harness from an old BAR belt, a nylon H harness, a non gi butt pack, 2 Lowe pouches.
Great video and very informative.
I learned a lot, as always.
Please keep your videos coming.
I never miss an episode.
Thank you, Shawn
My 782 issue had parts dated 1942 -- even in RVN. Afterwards, my new job required also using Load Baring gear. I agree with you. The LBV had better shoulder pads but I still like the older Alice LBE with H harness (improved with various mods for wear comfort). Besides being cooler, and it is more adaptable; I like being able to adjust on the belt. I still use a stainless canteen and cup (also a Camelback and newer pack). It also seems old is new again as there are gear discussions ongoing regarding best JUNGLE types of LBE. I still have my LBE available but my movements capability has down graded. It an aging thought process and an aging guy thing. I recently gave my blues, uniforms, old 782 gear and associated uniform gear to a younger family collector for exhibition. We collect when we are younger and pass it on as we get older. Weapon use gear stays with the weapons. More space is nice. Good topic.
Wholeheartedly agree, definitely use the LBE for day trips, I use the old first aid kit in lieu of mag pouches though. They were great for keeping Copenhagen cans dry during a PEX and still are.
Only had the LBV for the first 9 months I was in, but some of us brought them to Squad Leaders Course, they came in handy for some training evolutions, where we didn't have to wear flak jackets and SAPIs.
I wore both in the USMC. 93-03 . The LBE was far superior!! As comfort goes, the arm rest and brain bucket holder "ammo pouch" vs the LBV which you couldn't rest your arms or hang your bucket from... Also, all the loops from the vest made it harder to attach your gear and hook on my beloved Vietnam era canvas butt pack for storing Chef B and my stove. It was also harder when we had to wear a flak jacket. I fielded the LBV at MCT in 93 for trials and coming from the old stuff at P.I. from boot, we didnt care for it. Fast forward 30 years and I am wearing OCP body armor with all the high speed garbage and I still rather have my canteens and ammo pouches as trying to get in and out of vics at 50 is starting to suck! GO National Guard!!! lol
This video will definitely get a lot of reviews from me.
I do foam flinging (Nerf blasters), and I'm using homemade pouches and belt packs.
All based on the 1956, and later iterations of load carrying gear.
And this video will help me make my gear setup more comfortable to wear.
At least ten thumbs up from me, Corporal, if I could.
Alas, I can only give you one.
Hey Corporal. You content is awesome. Everything is tough and watching your stuff is a great little escape and for me to get away from it all and be out there in the field with you for a bit.
Always liked the LBE. That's what I use. Reminds me of what my Pop used in Vietnam n I still have!
Very cool video....thanks for explaining....I like the old school as well!!
67-93, Nam 1969-70, That's familiar equipment that I still have and have used on occasion. Good stuff Marine, as usual!
I love my LBE. And the whole ALICE system. I was issued it in 1988 when I joined the Army and still use it today. I’m just an old school old fool I guess.
87-93 ... I got old school LBE to
I like your videos,I was in the Corps in 79 still had sateens and canvas, and e.r.t.l. camoMy favorite.After I.T.S. when assigned to 8Th and I Marine barracks we got the newer Alice gear and woodland camo.After 2 years in D.C.,transfered to F.M.F 24th Mau wore both old camo and woodland till I believe 83 then all nylon Alice gear and kevlar flack jackets with helmets, before the Vietnam style flack jackets plastic plates,and steel helmets we used worthless for movement.On reconnaissance missions I got rid of most unwanted gear,vest,steel pots and pack, put c-rats in socks then in pockets used canvas 782 gear,poncho,liner,extra canteen,swung both magazines pouches to firing side,hip and side buttocks.Asspack had survival items,tape ,camo paint, cordage, lighter, extra c rat .accessories packs etc.until mres came out.
I kept older components of my LBE for years after they'd been officially swapped out, more notably the H harness and the backpack.
I always found the Y harness cut in to my neck. I lifted very heavy back then and my traps and neck were thick.
When I was in the guard the supply SGT during one drill wanted everyone to turn in our buttpacks, they were being declared obsolete or some BS. These weren't going to be replaced though. Everybody wanted to keep them, they were too useful. He hit us with the dreaded "if you don't turn it in you'll get a statement of charges". So out of curiosity I asked him how much that would be. He had to look it up, turned out to be $1.85, so I told him I'd take three of them. He was angry when the whole platoon decided to keep the butt packs.
Thanks for breaking it down for us sir. Catch ya Sunday.
I have an LBV 88 Enhanced with associated ALICE gear, I can hold 12 magazines, but looking at how you set up your stuff makes me think I should reorganize.
Thanks sharing your expertise. You always give great lessons.
There's alot to be said about "old school" gear, I tend to tell my kids it's "experienced, and field proven".. lol 😂 Love the comparison sir. 😊
LBE all day every day. Ours was a different configuration.
2 F88 rifle mag pouches on the left, F89 minimi to the right, water bottle/cups canteen each side and bum bag rear.
Aussie setup.
I preferred the H-Harness.
Still wearing canvas H rig
Dude that's REAL old school lol
I use the H harness as well 👍
Same here.
Still have my H harness, ALICE gear x3. Using a Blackhawk H harness now and love it.
Actually when I was in the Marines (77-95) we were instructed to place the magazine pouches in the front. Placing them off to the side was a later, field type improvisation.
I had the 2nd gen 88 in basic, and the LBV in AIT... in 2007 lol
nice history lesson. Good point about wearing old school vs tactical. That's why I prefer old school. Other hikers don't seem to be intimidated or afraid when I pass by. I'm not trying to draw attention just trying to mind my own business.
You need an LBV-88, the newer vests with the mesh and slanted mag pouches are way better.
I preferred the LBE because it was easier to sling carry a bandolier and a belt for the M60 as was SOP for every rifleman. That said I only had vest for brief period before MY ETS in 93.
@@guyring8912 Yeah, I have both, I prefer the LBV-88 but both vests are very good.
@@therocknroller184 I like the old one best.
Buddy! Think of us as hitchhiker's!
We are along for the ride!
The manner in which you get us there is not open for debate. I for one am just happy to be in the car.
Thank you for the video!
Have an OUTSTANDING week!
See you Sunday!
LBE all day, every time. Heat management is critical for me, and the LBE is king for that.
Cpl. KELLY, OUTSTANDING AF Video, I still have my L.E.B. Gear '79-'86 ,W.E.B. Gear was a name change I think in 1980 ,also have the most of my TA-50 . I Greatly Appreciate All Your Videos. Also Sharing Your Time and Knowledge and Wisdom and Experience and Passing on the Craft and Your Time In Service and Keeping Us Safe..Tim L. U.S. Army Vet.
The problem with these is finding a good pack that will be compatible and not sag on the rear part of the belt or a buttpack. A chest rig with a zip down the middle or one you can unhook fast and lift up to go into prone is much more compatible with a pack. Though I like the idea of the LBE is you are not using a sustainment pack.
Thank you as always. Enjoy each and every video 🙏🙏🙏
You are a true sheep dog. Thank you for your service and for providing us with the benefit of your experience.
I love my y harness system. I also use it with a small backpack at times. Its a great combination when you dont need a full pack but a little more than just the harness system. GOD BLESS AND STAY SAFE!
We were issued the exact same gear (non-mesh version) in the Air Force and no one explained it to us like you did. Figures. Of course we were non-combatants- as in medical- and carried different gear on the loadout. Although we flew out of Scott AFB, we exercised in the mosquito infested swamps of Louisiana and I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to heat, chafing, and embracing the suck.
Love the old school military gear it just works and last a long time
The old lbe was simple and still works....
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise and hello from romulus Michigan brother thank you again and GOD-BLESS
I was issued LBE in Army basic, and then AIT. Once I became a UH-60 crewchief ('88-'89), I was issued a survival vest that I often thought should be the basis for the Army LBE...
The LBVE I own now is exactly what that is-- way better than my LBE was
What's your LBVE recommendation?
@matthewhamilton9031 Really depends on your goals-- if you're wanting 'high speed' gear (and have the funds) I'd look into some plate carriers (and plates), etc. - Agilite is a good company, imo. And their stuff is being developed under combat conditions, as we speak. But there's a few good ones out there.
Me? I wanted quality gear that I'm decently familiar with (since I'm 'old school'), that won't break the bank, and can be paired with soft armor or small plates and MOLLE ammo pouches.
I went with my LBVE-88: the base vest cost me ~$25 at my local surplus store. And I've sourced MOLLE ammo and canteen pouches anywhere from $3 to $10+
And my 3-day assault pack carries whatever else I need
The self reliance system you had a couple years ago is nice also. I use it a lot
Lbe personally. run a padded belt under the carrier with ifak, self sustainment, and a couple mags.
LBE and well packed small Ruck sack good to go for a lot of situations I have found
Speaking the truth brother.
I always do, and some cant handle the truth.......
I had entered the Air Force in 81 and went straight to England after the police academy. I was issued the pistol belt with the steel nob that was used to secure it, and a H harness. Butt pack, 2 ammo pouches, fist aid / compass pouch. Canteen with cup. ( I acquired the stove later) 37 years later I still have all of it minus the magazine pouches, plus a solid handle shovel.
I had both and prefer the LBE.
That was fascinating! As always you deliver stuff that engages this aussie fan. Come to Oz for a while
If you do drop down your belt a little lower you can get away with wearing a short back ruck or a very large assault pack with it. I know it’s counterintuitive to the points stated but it’s actually quite comfortable and when your ruck rests on the buttpack it effectively turns your lbe belt into a kidney pad if you have a padded belt
Haven’t worn any of them for 40 years. Been looking at some would work out great for riding in the back woods
LBE I absolutely hated when the ARMY switched.
I have something very similar to this but it's high vis. It was used for mountain rescue where you need the kit but you also need as much of your upper body clear as possible. Plus it is actually an advantage for people to be able to see you. For a SHTF situation I tend to go "grey man" rather than tactical. The odds are I would offski to my main food store and just stay there for a year. I have loads of isopropanol to burn and that has an invisible flame if you use the right burner. The burner is tiny too so a small bottle of fuel (enough for a couple of days) and the burner and stand will fit in an ammo pouch. The biggest issue I ever have is the "quart in a pint pot" you get packing any kit up.