The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- A review of the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament (ISBN 9781586174842). This volume is a large footprint sewn hardback with a large attractive font. The paper is thick and ghosting is nearly nonexistent. Footnotes and essays make frequent mention of the Council of Trent and reflect orthodox Catholic theology. A large "concise" concordance is included, as are seven color maps.
Detailed contents
00:00 Dimensions, margins, layout, font ... (four charts)
00:48 Size compared to the Ignatius Press RSV2CE complete Bible
01:03 Size compared to the Didache Bible
01:15 Size compared to the Revised New Jerusalem Bible (RNJV) New Testament
01:28 Size compared to the Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) New Testament, Portable Edition
01:50 Page layout
02:24 The text is usually line matched
02:47 The margins
03:12 The font in the text
04:05 The references
04:29 The layout of the page-bottom notes
04:45 Paper qualities
05:39 Print non-uniformity (fading)
06:13 The layout of the book introductions
07:27 Headings in the text
07:57 Each book of the Bible begins on a fresh page
08:28 The words of Christ are in black ink
09:05 The concise concordance
09:47 The indexes in back
11:19 The seven color maps
11:43 The lines of stitching, which indicate the binding is sewn
12:19 The black and yellow head and tail bands
12:30 The front cover
12:50 The volume lies open in Matthew and Revelation
13:50 Imprimatur and nihil obstat
14:30 The table of contents
16:08 A close-up look at the text
17:03 The font compared to that in the Ignatius Press RSV2CE complete bible
17:26 The font compared to that in the Didache Bible
18:10 The font compared to that in the RNJB New Testament
18:37 The font compared to that in the EOB New Testament, Portable Edition
18:51 The font compared to that in the St. Joseph NABRE Medium Sized Edition
19:15 Deuterocanonical books are generally not mentioned in the references section, but they are sometimes listed in the notes
20:00 First example, 1 Tim 1.17, "King of Ages" -- a reference to Tobit 13.7 & 11?
21:30 Second example, 1 Tim 6.15, "King of Kings" -- a reference to 2 Maccabees 13.4? Not in the references section, but mentioned in a footnote.
22:47 Third example, Rev 8.2, the seven angels -- a reference to Tobit 12.15? Not in the references section, but mentioned in a footnote.
24:09 The footnotes (introductory remarks)
24:45 First example: Christ gave his life as a ransom for many
26:00 The entry in the Index of Doctrines on "Ransom"
26:18 The entry in the Index of Doctrines on "Atonement"
26:39 The entry in the Index of Doctrines on "Sacrifice"
27:21 Galatians 1.4 and "Sacrifice"
28:15 The footnote at Galatians 5.6 against justification by faith alone
29:00 The footnote at Hebrews 2.6 on the New Testament's quotation from the Septuagint
29:40 The footnote at Matthew 24.1-25.46 on the Olivet Discourse
30:18 The footnote at Revelation 20 and the Millennium
31:11 The footnote at Romans 5.12 and Original Sin
31:52 The footnote at Acts 2.38-39 and Baptism
32:49 The footnote at 1 Cor 10.17 on The One Bread
33:49 The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament includes the Revised Standard Version's text and translation notes
34:12 The footnote at James 5.14 and Extreme Unction
35:09 The footnote on Titus 1.6 and Bishops
36:23 The introduction and Biblical inerrancy
37:15 The topical essay on the historical character Matthew's infancy narrative
38:30 The apparent discrepancy between the Synoptic Gospels and John on the nature of the Last Supper
42:54 An example in-text map
43:13 Some observations on the RSV & RSV2CE as translations
46:46 Summary
As a Catholic I thank you for the great service you provide in your reviews through your channel and the great openness you have to Bible translations made by Catholic institutions, as well as other Christian traditions, such as the Orthodox. Thanks again.
Thank you for that kind comment,
Jesús Salvador Perez Rodriguez
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I have today been informed by Ignatius that the complete Study Bible is now scheduled for Autumn 2024! We will just have to see if it actually appears! 🤞
This review is a couple years old, but I just have to say thank you for the thorough and respectful reviews of Catholic bibles on your channel! It can be hard to find detailed reviews on bibles in general, and many people who do not share our faith won't review the Catholic translations/arrangements. Thanks!
I actually emailed Ignatius Press' customer service department about when the Old Testament volume would be coming out. The rep told me that they are hoping for next year. I know that's not much but that's all we've got. I also told her that I'd love to see the two volumes combined into one large study bible.
I really love this series. My only complaint would be the hemming-and-hawing about the historical truth of Genesis.
@@mehmeh217 idk, i guess its nice room for wonder at least
Its coming out in the fall of 2024
I love the notes in this book. Really hope the old testament comes out soon
Will be ready for pre order soon
I bought this wonderful study Bible after watching your video. Thank you for your excellent video.
Thank you for that kind comment, Truth Seeker!
Just ordered mine tonight, thank you for your generous overview. Really looking forward to studying it. Thanks again 🙏🏻
Wow! What a great review! Thank you so very much.
I have not seen a better Bible review than yours.
Another great video! I do own and use this Bible (the leather bound edition). It is a treasure. I am anxiously awaiting the final, complete Old Testament. It is long overdue. Chris Plance is actually a friend of Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch. So I bug him about it from time to time, hoping for updates.
Please keep it up, we need the whole Bible complete and finished I have been waiting and I'm not alone that I know!!!!
Thanks for the very detailed review. Your review is a very good reference material for this study bible.
Thank you for the review of this Bible.
I have the non study version, and love it. Thank you for explaining the cover, very interesting.
Thanks for presenting this Bible. I am looking the right version for me ;)
As a document designer and Bible nerd, I love the extensive detail in your videos! I would love to see you review the Word on Fire Bible.
Thank you so much for doing this review on this Bible. This is extremely helpful!
Thanks for the kind comment, Joel!
I hope one day you can also review The Navarre Bible and The Catholic Scripture Study International [CSSI] Bible. Thanks!
Fantastic review as always!!!
Thanks very much for that encouraging comment, ABC ABC!
Very thorough, thank you!
Fantastic review. Just bought it today.
Thanks for the encouraging comment!
Great video, This is indeed a very good study bible, I am waiting for the Old testament to be released, supposedly it will be in 2 volumes because of the amount of notes, That means that a total of 3 Volumes, when you buy all of them. I think I like this study bible because it gives alternative theories to some of lords mysteries but still bases it all in faith.
Would love to see your thoughts on the Little Rock Catholic Study Bible! And this review is AMAZING. Thank you so much for this in-depth review!
Thank you for the suggestion! That looks interesting. It appears that the words of Christ are in black ink, so that's good. Do you happen to know whether the text block is sewn?
R. Grant Jones, hello! It is a NABRE Study Bible and I have seen others say the text block is glued for the deluxe version but the hardcover version seems sewn. I’ve attempted to find out for you but cannot find information with regard to the binding on their website or retail websites.
@@ongraymatters7224 - ok. Thanks.
@@RGrantJones thank YOU! I'm looking forward to future reviews, as always.
@@RGrantJones I'm not sure how to tell if it is sewn for sure, but the hardback lays very flat despite the large size.
The notes are disappointing, though (just the standard notes that come with the NAB as far as I can tell). And they spend a significant amount of the book introductions questioning the authorship of various books and explaining the documentary and two souce hypotheses rather than providing real insight that would help a believer get more out of the scripture.
I will be returning my copy. But I would be curious what you would say about the print and formatting (I liked that part a lot actually).
Thank you for the review Mr R Grant Jones I have found a NT edition to study.
You're welcome, William Taylor. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@RGrantJones Your welcome. I ordered a copy of the Ignatius CSB NT last night along with a copy of the Jerusalem Bible c1966 Bible, as I I prefer orthodox editions of the BT and Bible.
Wonderful review - thanks.
Thank you for the kind comment!
An excellent review, thank you so much for doing these! They are very helpful. Do you think you would ever do a review of the Abbey Psalms and Canticles? Obviously very different from reviewing a bible, but they will soon become the official translation used in the Divine Office in the United States and are expected to be part of the liturgical bible currently being written in the basements of the USCCB, so I think they're significant enough to merit some attention. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on them (as a devotee of the Divine Office and a fan of your reviews).
God bless you brother!
I can’t wait for the Old Testament to come out
When is it gonna be released bro?
@@vibrantmontefalcon354 I have heard in the next year but no clue... It was originally supposed to come out five years ago
Just received my copy. Now to figure out how to add the tabs.
As a traditional Catholic, I prefer the Douay-Rheims Translation, the Challoner Revision, and I wish this study bible was based on that instead of a "Catholicized" Revised Standard Version (2nd Catholic Edition). Otherwise, this was an excellent review of what appears to be a good Catholic study bible. Please consider adding the DRB to your comparison charts. Thank you!
I much prefer the original 1582/1609 Douay Rheims to the Challoner revision. The Knox Bible comes highly recommended from me also
Thank you for this excellent review. I purchased this edition recently and have found it useful and handsomely made. As you noted, there are places with no explanatory note where one would be expected, which is a little disappointing. I wonder if you could review the Great Adventure Catholic Bible in future.
Thanks very much for the comment and recommendation! I may review the Great Adventure Catholic Bible, but it's unlikely. It has a glued binding and the red letters don't appear to be very dark, so my sense is that it's overpriced. But if I come across a decent copy in a used book store, I'll review it.
R. Grant Jones Good luck finding a good copy in a used bookstore. I was in a catholic bookstore a few weeks ago and a new Great Adventure Bible’s book block was already starting to fall out of its cover just from being displayed on the shelf!
@@HandJvlogs - I believe you! I've seen review videos that display that poor build quality.
@@Joey51670 - OK. I'll take a look. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@HandJvlogs l know I have this Bible and do like it but I don't use it too much and I keep it in it's box when I am not using it and I do keep some of my Bibles in there box's that are built better, it a shame they built it the way they did it's a good one .
I just got this study bible a few days ago. So it's a great coincidence you put up this review and I love your channel, so detailed.
I have to say I am going to enjoy this study bible. The build of it, and the weight of the pages just gives you the sensation of wanting to slow down and absorb everything on the page, as apposed to quickly flipping between chapters. Since the whole bible is broken up into different volumes, it's not meant for people to be flipping back and forth between books of the bible to verify cross referencss but concentrate on understanding every passage. For that you could never fit the whole bible in one volume. But I figure for most cases, do I need the whole bible with me when reading? Probably not.
I case see this is a beautiful collection to have to buy over time, while still having your favorite reading bible.
Thank you for the kind comment about the channel! I agree that there's compelling reason to print the complete study Bible in a single volume.
Thank you.
There were at least two different calendars observed by Jews at that time. John Bergsma in Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls (Chapter 7) (Image Books) argues that the Synoptics followed the Temple calendar, whilst John followed an older calendar observed by the Essenes, in which Passover fell on tuesday evening; the Essenes,a group with which John apparently had many connections. So Bergsma concludes that both accounts are correct, each according to it's own calendar. It's a fascinating book and well worth a read.
Thank you for the recommendation!
Another work that broaches this subject in a commendable way is Brant Pitre's Jesus and the Last Supper.
Another wonderful review! I particularly enjoy your comments on the footnotes and how they compare and contrast with other bibles.
I own this bible. I must have the first printing because I note some minor differences with the edition you are reviewing. For example, on the Title page my copy does NOT have "With Introduction, Commentary, and Notes by Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch. Maps by David Notley" My copy also doesn't have the "by Scott Hahn, Ph.D." on the "Introduction to the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible" page.
Thanks for all you do. I also suggest reviewing the Little Rock Catholic Study Bible, the Word On Fire Gospels, and the Great Adventure Catholic Bible (unfortunately it uses red letters for the words of Christ).
Thanks for the kind comment, acardnal! My copy arrived last month, so it's likely recent. Someone else mentioned the Little Rock Catholic Study Bible in a comment here, and it does look interesting. I've added it to my wish list. I'd say it's more likely that I'll review it than either the Word on Fire Gospels or the Great Adventure Catholic Bible. There seem to be quite a few reviews of the Word on Fire Gospels on RUclips already. The Great Adventure Catholic Bible has red letters and a glued text block, so I'm not especially eager to own one.
@@RGrantJones LOL! Aha! I should know by now no red letter editions and no glued block texts for you!
According to the publisher, the Great Adventure Catholic Study Bible has a hybrid binding - both sewn and glued.
Great video. I have had this study bible for some time now and it is quite good. I sympathise with Catholicism too and there is very little similar to this on the market especially for traditionally minded Catholics. Would love to see you do a review of a 1962 missal. Any idea when the complete Ignatius sb will be published? It has been a long time in the making...
Thanks for the encouraging comment, Henk de Vries. Perhaps someone with inside knowledge can answer your question about the publication schedule for the complete edition. I searched the internet and found a page that claims the complete study Bible will roll off the presses by the end of this year (2020). Perhaps that's accurate, but maybe not. Regarding the missal, I could do such a video, but I think someone with more experience using one would do a much better job.
Tyler Booska Thanks for checking!
Tyler Booska Just now saw dr. Hahn speaking about the TLM on You Tube. Never saw him talking about it on EWTN etc... the traditionalist movement is growing because of dr. Taylor Marshall and others!
As a newcomer to the church- I’m curious which you would recommend. Looking for something that provided teachings and history along with scripture. Thanks in advance.
I saw another reviewer showed that the binding of this edition as a mixture of sewn (within each signature) and glued (between signature). May I confirm please? Thank you for this thorough video and thank you in advance for your time if you respond to this question. (I am not sure what I think of the Pope and the Council, but I am curious about this book).
It's not unusual to see a layer of adhesive on a sewn binding. I believe glue is used to reinforce and seal the spine.I doubt it's possible to tell whether the signatures are sewn to each other without destroying the binding, but perhaps an expert in book binding will see your question and let us know. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Where can I buy the ignatius Bible with both new and Old Testament together? I can’t find it anywhere.
Alicia - thanks for the question! As far as I know, the Old Testament hasn't been published yet, though some of the Old Testament books are available as individual volumes. I recommend you keep an eye on this web site: www.scotthahn.com/ignatius-study-bible .
Thank you very much!! By the way, did you already review the Eastern Orthodox New Testament you showed at the beginning? I've had my eye on it and would be curious to know what it is like! (I assume it uses some sort of Byzantine Form text as the basis? Though I assume not the Textus Receptus?)
Not that edition. I reviewed a large paperback copy many months ago. Yes, the textual basis, the Patriarchal Text of 1904/12, is Byzantine. It's very much like the Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine Textform, though it goes its own way from time to time. Thanks for commenting!
@@RGrantJones Thanks! I just saw your reply to another comment that says you will do the EOB pocket NT as well -- I've seen it and just from the short view you gave it looks quite pleasing to the eye. And it would be interesting to study the text, given the textual basis you've just described!
Loved your review here of this Ignatius Catholic study bible. Thanks again for the time and detail you put into these videos.
What are some of the best complete study bibles to get? I’m used to Protestant 66 book bibles and trying to get a good catholic study Bible with all 73 books
Thank you for these reviews. Stumbled on them this morning and I’ve learned much more here than I could from other online sources. I have a question regarding this edition and the Didache Bible. Am I correct in saying both bibles use the same translation? If that’s correct, what separates the two in terms of content? The Didache includes references to CCC and this one uses a mix of sources for a rounded perspective? In essence, I’m trying to to determine which of these bibles is better to gift to a young person to help in their formation. Thanks again for all that you do.
Thanks for the questions! I believe the Didache Bible is also available in the NABRE, but the edition I reviewed on this channel uses the RSV2CE, as does the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible. The notes in the Didache Bible focus on the CCC, as you observed. I think you characterized the notes in the Ignatius edition well, except I would add that they are more detailed. The most important difference is that -- as far as I know -- the complete Old Testament of the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible has not yet been published.
That was an incredibly quick reply! So, currently, the Didache would be a better one-stop shop because it includes the full Bible; however, the ICSB provides another layer of insight to the New Testament through greater historical analysis as opposed to insight on doctrine. Is that a fair assessment?
Do you have amazon affiliate links? I would like for you to benefit from whichever I choose to buy.
@@MrVenezuelamagic - yes, you summarized the situation well. No, I have no Amazon affiliate link.
What is the music at the start of this video please?
"Lord Jesus, think on me." The tune is called Southwell, I think. Thanks for asking!
Pax! I've not come across the EOB NT yet. Looks beautiful! Have you reviewed this volume on your channel? Does it use inclusive language? Thanks, as ever, for a new video! Blessings!
Thanks for the question, Paul! I did review the EOB NT, but not the edition shown in this video. The copy I reviewed is a large paperback ruclips.net/video/Vx6WTuAvBWw/видео.html . I'll likely post a review of the portable edition in a few weeks.
@@RGrantJones Many thanks! Yes, looking forward to your review of that portable edn. (Your reviews can determine my purchases!) You might comment on which RC bible it most resembles (NAB, NRSV, RNJB?). Two other review suggestions for you are the Great Adventure Bible (an RSV-2CE, published by Ascension Press; words of Christ in red ink) and the new Word on Fire NT (NRSV; a Bishop Robert Barron project). Cheers!
Hello!
What does he mean?
Is the Acts of the Apostles the original form of baptism, not the one sent in Matthew 28:19?
Thank you.
You are an excellent master in these translations / versions of the bibles.
Congratulations.
I don't interpret the note at Acts 2.38 to be saying that the original form of baptism employed the name of Jesus alone. Instead, the Trinitarian formula of Mt 28.19 is "a complete baptismal formula" while the name of Jesus is "a thematic expression used in several ways in Acts." Thanks very much for your words of encouragement!
Do you have a website where where your charts are available for viewing?
Thanks for the question, David! No, but I do post charts to the "community" tab on my RUclips channel from time to time.
@@RGrantJones thanks
I read some of this Bible on Kindle, it reads really well. Will prefer it over the Oxford Catholic Study Bible. Do you know when will the complete study bible will be published? As I understand it has no essays, unlike other study Bibles?
Hassan - I believe you're right about the lack of essays, but some of the notes are fairly extensive. I like the way it reads also, but I've always admired the RSV. Some of the Old Testament books are available to be purchased separately, but I'm not sure when the project will be complete. A number of Catholics have grown quite a bit older waiting for it.
@@RGrantJones Do you think ESV study Bible is better than Ignatius? I need to buy one of these. Which one is better with notes, quality etc.? Cant buy both as it will be impossible to read them. I think ESV is the best and most extensive study Bible out there.
@@hassanmirza2392 - The ESV Study Bible covers the Hebrew Old Testament, while this one doesn't, so that's a point in the ESV Study Bible's favor. If you were a Catholic, I would recommend the Ignatius Study Bible; and if you were a Protestant, I would point you to the ESV Study Bible. But since you're Muslim, it's difficult to know what to say.
I prefer to read the RSV, but I think the ESV is more accurate in places. The RSV is written in better English, in my opinion. (As you doubtless know, the ESV is a moderate revision of the 1971 RSV, and the RSV-2CE is based on the RSV-CE, which is a mild revision of the 1959 RSV, so the two translations are closely related.)
I am in the process of making a library of Abrahamic scriptures, so I will include some Bibles too, but very confused about Christian Bibles as they vary in OT canon. No use of buying every canon. Maybe I will go towards ESV/RSV protestant canon. ESV reformation bible is good too.
I think I can use Oxford RSV as readers and ESV as study Bible. My focus is on Quran, so need to study what we believe are the previous scriptures. Thanks to many resources like yours I know a lot now, but never knew anything about Jewish-Christian scriptures half an year ago.
The most surprising thing for me was to know about skepticism in Christian Bibles supported by both Protestant and Catholic religious authorities. I cant imagine this happening with Quran. Also, translation matters for Christian Bibles, but for Tanakh and Quran it matters much less.
Granted, it is only the New Testament, but this work of sacred scripture set things off for me. I cannot recommend it enough.
Terrific review, thanks! Regarding the lack of References in 1 Timothy 1:17 (at 19:15 in the video), that is not unique to the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament. The References are the same in any RSV/RSVCE bible. (aside: in the RSVCE, "...King of ages" is in Tobit 13:6 and :10 rather than 13:7 and :11). But you are fair to note the commentaries by Hahn and Mitch could have made more references to deuterocanonical books.
Thanks for the comment, Lemming FiftyOne! I can't say that I'm clear on your point about references in *any* RSV/RSVCE Bible. My RSV Reference Edition lists Rev 15.3, 1 Tim 6.15-16, Col 1.15, John 1.18, John 5.44, and Jude 25 at 1 Tim 1.17.
@@RGrantJones I could be wrong, I often am ;-). And I don't have as much experience comparing bibles. I was just going by the several RSV editions I have, including New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha, Navarre, and Didache.
I see you've got reviews of the Allan NRSV1 Classic Reference Edition and Cambridge NRSV Reference Edition, are one of these the edition you're referring? or is there an RSV Reference edition rather than NRSV that I missed?
@@lemmingfiftyone - mine is a Nelson RSV Reference Edition.
for catholic study bibles, i like the nab Little Rock Catholic Study Bible.
Sir are you aware of anyone that has created a AUDIO of Tyndales N.T. ????
No, I'm not aware of any such audio. Thanks very much for commenting!
I have had this Bible for a long time, but seldom use it, because the typeface is so tiny.. it’s a fabulous study Bible.. Injust cannot read it.
Catholic bibles you should review:
1. NLT Catholic Edition
2. Saint Joseph Edition New Catholic Bible
3. Word on Fire Bible
4. Christian Community Bible Revised Edition
5. Great Adventure Catholic Bible
6. Navarre Bible New Testament Expanded Edition
Thanks for the list of recommendations!
Waw!
@@RGrantJones Pardon me my brother. Just noticed that my words seem to command you or something. English is not my native language so my words sound arrogant sometimes.
@@johnericpamintuan4800 - I didn't take it that way at all. Your English is very good!
Would a non-catholic benefit from reading the rsv2ce if they preferred the tyndale house gnt? The alternative would be the rv and asv but their language is quite outdated. Anything to watch out for?
Edit: purely reading it for the nt, not ot
Why do you not like the red text or capitalized pronouns? Is it just sight preference or are there pros/cons?
Red letters often cause me eye strain -- actual physical pain. Publishers seem to have difficulty printing them evenly, so you’re more likely to find faded sections of red text. Black text is often printed on the opposite side of the page, causing show-through/ghosting, and I find red characters on a cluttered background harder to read than black characters on the same background.
I made a video on this topic, which can be viewed here: ruclips.net/video/Bzz2Bu9IjrA/видео.html .
Regarding the practice of capitalizing pronouns, I object to them primarily because I find them distracting. But that practice also seems to require the translators to make a choice (does this pronoun refer to God or not?) when the context is ambiguous. I prefer to leave what is ambiguous in the original ambiguous in the translation.
Thanks for the questions!
Regarding that Tobit reference, Do you believe in praying to saints? Or asking them to pray for you?
Or do you think that “saints” in that passage refer to all Christians?
Are you referring to Rev 8.4, where the smoke of incense is pictured as ascending to the presence of God with the prayers of the saints? If so, I see no reason to limit the saints there to a particularly holy class of saints who have died.
R. Grant Jones - No in Tobit it talks about the 7 angels that carry the prayers of the saints up to God. It was when you discussed Tobit in this video.
In general, I notice that you are very open to much of what is in Catholicism. Would love to hear your thoughts on this tradition since you’ve read so much.
@@ConciseCabbage - oh, ok. I checked Tobit 12.15, but in the Jerusalem Bible it reads, "I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who stand ever ready to enter the presence of the glory of the Lord." Since I didn't see any reference to prayers of saints there, I thought you might have had the related passage in Revelations in mind. It's true that Tobit does mention prayers in 12.12, but the prayers he offered before the glory of the Lord there were those of people who were still alive. But perhaps there's some other passage in Tobit I'm overlooking.
Personally, I would like to be a Catholic, simply because it's the largest group within Christianity and my realignment would do a tiny part to heal the division within the Lord's Church. But I'm confident that the Catholic Church wouldn't admit me because I don't agree with a number of doctrines that church teaches. I'd prefer not to go into detail over those disagreements, because I respect Catholics and my goal here is to help everyone, including Catholics, find orthodox study tools, like this Bible, to assist them on their spiritual journeys.
@@RGrantJones Same here, I would love to be Catholic, but currently I have some issues with some of their practices. I've been looking into Eastern Orthodox or Episcopalian but I don't know. 😩, I'm in no man's land right now
@Christianus van den Eijnden doctrine or dogma?
What do you think about this academic hypothesis of early Christianity being divided in two parts: Jewish Christianity (Advocated by James, Brother of Jesus) VS Pauline / Gentile Christianity (Advocated by Paul)? In some Muslim circles, and secular humanist academic circles too there is a hypothesis that Jewish Christianity never advocated Trinity, Deification of Jesus, observed Jewish laws, and was in competition with Pauline Christianity, and lost to it by 3rd CE. I think Hans Küng also advocated this theory.
Proponents of this theory also say that James and Paul were quite bitter opponents of each other, and James considered Paul to be a heretic. Is the current Christianity Pauline in nature? What is standard Protestant or Catholic scholarship about it? And what do you think about this alleged feud of James with Paul? I hope the question is not offensive for you, just curious about this hypothesis.
postbarthian.com/2019/05/02/the-repression-of-early-jewish-christianity-and-the-succession-of-islam-as-its-rightful-heir-ft-hans-kung/
Hassan - the topic isn't offensive, but it's one that I haven't looked into deeply. Clearly, Paul had opponents who required Gentile converts to be circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses. Acts 15 gives me the impression that James would not have agreed with Paul's opponents, since there James requests only that Gentiles abstain from things polluted by idols, fornication, things strangled, and blood. The author of the epistle of James, who was likely the same James as in Acts 15, seems to disagree with Paul regarding justification; but it isn't very difficult to reconcile their views.
Regarding the deity of Christ, early Christian writers do mention groups such as the Ebionites who viewed him as merely human. Whether the Ebionites were related to the Judaizers of Paul's time, I don't know.
I'm aware of one modern Christian movement that affirms Christ's deity but asserts that the Holy Spirit is just an energy or a force. These binitarians place themselves under the Old Testament law, and consequently keep the dietary laws, the Sabbath, and the Old Testament feasts. They're split into many competing denominations, all of which derive from the Worldwide Church of God, founded by Herbert W. Armstrong in the 1930s. Although they attempt to trace themselves back to the early centuries and view some early Christian sects as their ancestors, it seems clear that their heritage goes back to William Miller and his Saturday-keeping followers, modified by the interpretations of a man named Greenberry George Rupert.
@@RGrantJones Hmm, I was surprised that Hans Küng, the very famous Catholic theologian, will say that Islam is the heir of Jewish Christianity, which got wiped out by 3rd century. The article I posted gives good information, no idea what mainstream Christians think about this. Also, In Islam Holy Spirit means Spirit of God (that is God himself, not separate from Him), or it can also mean Angel Gabriel.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity
Simply way too many notes. I'd also add the OT will likely not be out for 20-30 years. We've (I think) waited that long already for this to be completed.
I think Christians should work to make an ecumenical Bible and a Study Bible, like the Jews. Do you think in future the Catholics and Protestants (maybe Orthodox too) can agree to a single Bible? That will help people like me to read ONE Christian Bible and will save people the confusion of owning several Bibles, with different Apocrypha books. It took a lot of my time to get my head around different Bibles ^_^
No, I don't see that happening. It's a good idea, though.
@@RGrantJones Technically Apocrypha books should not be included in Bibles, but since it is part of LXX and Latin Vulgate the Catholics and Orthodox have to include these books as well. That is why NRSV translation is a must have for any person.
@@hassanmirza2392 - I prefer the RSV. The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha is still in print in the RSV.
@@RGrantJones Is that not a humanist Bible, going against Christian teachings? :O
Catholics like RSV translation, I also like Catholic Bibles for some reason. But RNJB is more like a semi study Bible, not a complete one. I will buy Ignatius Study Bible instead of Oxford Catholic Study Bible (it has cheap paper and bad formatting), but it is not complete as of now. RNJB reads very well though.
@@hassanmirza2392 - yes, but it's mildly humanist and lightly annotated compared to many study Bibles, including the NRSV edition of the same book. It's easy to ignore the notes. The RSV is written in standard, mid-twentieth century English and it doesn't avoid grammatically masculine pronouns.
The only English Version Bible that is a Traditional or REAL Catholic Bible is the Douay Rheims! Others are cheap imitations!
This is not a bible!
Thanks for commenting, east wood!
Yes it is.