LIVE: Eye Drops Murder Trial | Closing Arguments - WI v. Jessy Kurczewski DAY 15
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- DAY 15 - WI v. Jessy Kurczewski | #ClosingArguments - A Wisconsin woman is facing life in prison if convicted of killing a friend in her care by poisoning her with eye drops. Jessy Kurczewski, 39, is charged with one count of first-degree intentional homicide and two counts of felony theft in the 2018 death of Lynn Hernan. Opening statements began in the Waukesha County court of Judge Jennifer Dorow.
Prosecutors say Kurczewski killed Hernan, whom she was caring for, and staged the scene to look like a suicide by drug overdose. Hernan reportedly died after drinking a water bottle mixed with 6 bottles of Visine.
Kurczewski told police Hernan was suicidal and “had been trying to kill herself by drinking Visine in vodka,” according to a criminal complaint. Investigators say, in total, Kurczewski stole $290,210.06 from Hernan before and after her death.
TRIAL NOTES
00:00:00 Outside Juror Presence & Jury Instructions by Judge Dorow
00:39:32 State Closing Arguments
01:59:15 Defense Closing Arguments
03:25:41 State Rebuttal Argument
03:43:21 Add'l Jury Instructions
03:54:44 Verdict Watch Begins
05:54:22 Jury Question
05:57:02 Verdict Watch Continues
09:23:29 Jury Question
10:17:10 Verdict Watch Continues
11:00:07 Recess for the Day
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*Trial Notes*
00:00:00 Outside Juror Presence & Jury Instructions by Judge Dorow
00:39:32 State Closing Arguments
01:59:15 Defense Closing Arguments
03:25:41 State Rebuttal Argument
03:43:21 Add'l Jury Instructions
03:54:44 Verdict Watch Begins
05:54:22 Jury Question
05:57:02 Verdict Watch Continues
09:23:29 Jury Question
10:17:10 Verdict Watch Continues
11:00:07 Recess for the Day
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You should do timestamps on EVERY video. It's ridiculous to only do the final trial day.
Attorney Opper is in the audience!!!
She was brilliant in the Darrell brooks case
I saw that also and wondered if that’s who that was
She was brilliant!
Opper is an absolute legend
Her looks are mangling your sausage of a brain.
Im surprised the prosecutors didnt mention this. That Lynn was eventually going to realize that all her money was gone. The defendant had to get herself out of trouble and kill Lynn.
I thought that exact thing!
Well they actually did, just not in so many words
Prosecutors did a fantastic job in this trial. Great work. Hope they got a bit of a break after this long trial.
I want that golden flag Eagle thing it looks so majestic.
Absolutely love this judge always. Always thorough and professional.
So well groomed and calm too.
This judge has zero patience. She shouldn't be a judge.
@@lapa8334you obviously didn’t watch the Darrel Brooks trial. Judge Dorrow has more patience than 100 random people combined.
Her looks are mangling your sausage of a brain.
That's a great prosecuting attorney! I could not be a defense attorney for cases like this!
I wonder if Goldman Sac's is going to charge her also for fraud???
They should.
Lynn worked hard during her life. Anyone working as a Hairdresser works standing up and that has to be physically hard for years'. I noted how much she received after she retired from SS and it wasn't that much . She had to be a person who saved and didn't waste her money as was indicated by the defense seeing her bank statements . She was a woman who deserved to live and enjoy life as much as she could. But Jessy Kurczewski didn't agree. So she pretended to be her friend and indicated she was helping her . All of Lynn's money was taken before and after her death by Jessy who has no conscience . Then Jessy ended her life thinking no one would think about her dying from Visine eye drops . Also she expected to get away with everything concerning stealing anything and everything Lynn had . I hope this jury gives Lynn justice because she can't have it, without them ! May she rest in peace and may Jessy serve years' in prison !
@Sunnie yes my Mom was a hairdresser for most of our childhood & on her feet 12-14 hrs day, very hard work & deal with a lot! Thank goodness she went bk to college for electronics. SS based on what someone makes in certain quarters, so she probably didn’t get much. I was an engineer for 26 yrs before neuropathy forced my disability, I fought still for it & they never asked me or looked up what was in my checking & savings for determining SSDI. Lynn was a good hearted person & had such an active life until Jessy started poisoning her in 2016 & making her sick, feel so bad for her. Hope she flies with angels & her friends find peace 🙏❤️ especially after Jessy goes to prison for life.
During the trial and in their closing arguments, I noted the defense bringing out the fact that Lynn was receiving Social Security disability and food shares which may be like food stamps as if that was something to be ashamed of!! I dislike this whole victim bashing by the defense. Social Security is not an entitlement and people contribute to that their entire working career. Shame on the defense.
Pure evil. Keep an eye on anyone hanging around vulnerable people folks!
The defense attorney puts so much on the words, and there were lots of them, from
Henry Spiller. He was the worst witness I’ve ever seen!
Her lawyer is sure not very convincing in her defense!
The State’s Lawyer makes perfect sense and I believe totally proved guilt of this Defendant!
I'm about 5 hours into the defense attorney's closing and I am lost. What the hell is this woman rambling about???
How does Judge Dorow get all those notes down while still listening to all being said during the trial? It’s mind boggling to me. Maybe Court TV could provide some insight in the
Note taking logic, methods and organization of a judge?
Look at the golden Eagle in the flag its so shiny i want one
Love the prosecutor, good job, sis
She was just found guilty and will perish in prison. I am sure cleaning out her bank account after her death did not help either. Now prosecutors say they may go after her mom as well. WTH is wrong with people? My gosh, what greed. Nuts.
Her lawyers help the prosecution so much. The closing was horrible. Made her look so stupid.😂
So was her mother in on it too because they were both friends with her right? And she was straight up paying her mothers rent and all of her bills with that money her mom didn’t have any clue? She didn’t ask for that money was coming from? That’s hard to believe.
Atty Abbey Nickolie was amazing!!! Go girl! She got justice for Lynn!
Is the defense attorney arguing that Jessy is innocent or that her toxicologist is the best toxicologist that ever lived?
Literally!
Just watched people walk in and they all sat on the right. Nobody on the defence side
Ok?
That's evidence of what is called the "Guilty Stench Superstition." When you know of someone who is guilty of serious legal or moral crimes, you try to stay out of their physical orbit, for fear that you, too, will be sucked into a strange and evil whirlpool from which there is no escape.
Jesse is 100 guilty on all charges. She was obsessed with her gambling habits, and Jesse's motive was absolutely true, to steal Lynn harman's money to pay off her gambling debts.. Lynn was a Frugal woman, and whom was cognitive to maintain her life, and her expenditures that she was a organized woman.. Lynn enjoyed her life, as simple of her choice. Jesse's mind grew bigger, is she began to play it out her escape from her gambling debts, and how she was going to pay her debts of what money she owed to the gambling casinos. Jesse saw a way out of her greediness to take advantage of someone else. Her obsession for play rather than working for her money, as Jesse had no money, because she did not work, or as she think that she worked by taking care of Lynn, but unfortunately did not rightfully work for her income, rather Jesse took advantage of a good woman who had a good heart, but unknowingly to lynn, as she had her own health problems herself, then never expected that someone whom she considered to be a nice friend would have never taken advantage of her. Lynn was the kind of person home if you asked of her of anything, she would have given one a helping hand. However, Lynn unknowingly did not realize that Jesse was a thief in disguise. Yes, Jesse murdered Lynn to completely empty out her bank accounts, which Lynn herself worked for her money, and she worked hard for her money. Maybe she did not have a desire to frivolously spend her money outrageously. Lynn just had a simple life, which was becoming to her. Yes, she worked hard for her money, but she enjoyed her life as it was, and because she was a frugal Spender, and she maintained a organized life for herself, she was able to securely maintain her bank accounts, unlike Jessie whom did not have money to her name, because she was a freeloader, and whom took advantage of a good woman like Lynn. The words sums it up that Jesse is just a pure bum off the street, and Lynne home had a heart for helping people, she saw a way to take Jesse into her home, and into her life. However, if Lynn had lived, instead of having died, Lynnwood have realized regrets of having even with the very person whom she tried to help. But Lynn never had the chance to find out on her own her regrets, because Jesse murdered her, and cut her life short, and as well, Jesse took Lynn from her family, and her real friends. Jesse belongs Behind Bars, and on death row . There is no amount of money, or restitution that can be paid to the family of Lynn, because it would not be enough, because there is no monetary value to a person's life. Yeah, Jesse can sit in court, and shed her crocodile tears, but those tears are not remorseful tears of having murdered a good woman, and stealing Lynn's life savings. Jesse will have every opportunity to converse with her family, and or what friends she may have, but to the family of Lynn, all they will have is a grave to go to on certain occasions like Christmas Day, Thanksgiving Day and birthdays, but otherwise, there will always be a emptiness, which Lynn's family will always feel, and experience along with Lynn's friends. Jesse is a disgusting woman who should be ashamed of herself for what she did, except that there will never be an apology, because how does one apologize for having murdered a loved one, and having stolen from a loved one's life savings. There are no apologies that a person can make, which will reverse the crime, which Jessie committed. She will have her family to come to see her in prison, and or she will receive mail from her family, but to Lynn's family there will never be a phone call, or visits from a parent's daughter Karma a sibling sister, or even a letter to a friend sent from Lynn. There will always be a emptiness that Lynn's family and Friends will always feel. The sun may rise each day, but day after day, and night after night, and year after year there will always be a emptiness, which Lynn's family and friends will continue to feel. Jesse's only hope while she is in prison that she accept Christ as her savior . Does it mean that accepting the Lord as one savior that Jesus is going to set aside the crimes one has committed, no, because there are always consequences for what one does in life whether it be good or bad.. however, salvation means to have everlasting life, and to have a life beyond death. God does not dismiss a crime we commit, however, God forgives us when we call out to him.. punishment of our sins is a discipline not just from the courts, from the judicial system, but punishment also, comes from God , and from God's love. There are always going to be consequences Karma which we all are going to face up to our wrongdoings, and there are always rewards for the will to do right. But still there are no apologies one can make for having murdered someone else, and having stolen from one's life savings. Everlasting forgiveness only comes from God.
Carol, well said !
Most of that money was not Lynn's life savings. It was inherited from her mother when her mother died. But the rest of your comment stands true
@@autumnrene807The money was still Lynn's.
@@autumnrene807that's all you have you contribute as a response, eh? 🤡
@Claudia-lq3ns
ok you're the 🤡 if you took offense to anything in my comment. I wasn't trying to contribute anything, just correcting something they stated several times that was incorrect. I've seen your comments and you sure don't mind setting someone straight. Looking at your profile pic I can imagine you are one who takes offense to any and everything.
Thanks for the timestamps. I’m glad that jury is considering this carefully.
Are you kidding me, I hate those timestamps, they make it impossible to watch. They usually make it impossible to rewind or fast forward
That is what jurors do !!
Now charge her mom
Toats. Her mom is a scoundrel
Whats so hard about calling the Victim by her last name and be proper. The defense is so disrespectful
So at this point I have watched this whole trial. I am only mid way through the states closing argument but I have to say that man did they put up a great case . To see everything come together it is truly remarkable!!
Why did I get so excited to see Attorney Opper!!! 😂 I love her!!!
Just IMO I hope think Jessy had been giving Lynn small doses of visine for the 2 yrs she has been sick & the hospital didn’t test or detect it so is why they couldn’t figure it out, (but I do think the things they found were scary too!) as Jessy was using Lynn’s money & then running out, even the loan, which she never paid, she put the huge amount of visine in a drink & when Lynn was mostly out of it she gave her a bunch of pills thinking it would cover up the visine in her system. So much in this case just cannot be defended against, Jessy’s spending, lies in the interviews, all those checks, withdrawals, then the description of Lynn’s personality by her true friends & the opposite descriptions by Jessy & Jennifer. That last fake will was so ridiculous & so desperate of Jessy! Guilty!
Oh, I guess I missed hearing her friends testify! What day was it?
I think she was poisoning her with eye drops and that is what made her sick. I guess not though or they would have brought that up in some way during trial? Maybe they tried and I missed it? But she 100% killed that woman who was so good to her. Shame on her.
@@user-pi4vq9cg1h they implied it a couple times imo, but they couldnt necessarily say it. There is no evidence supporting that, so it wouldve been objected to for sure. The state would say things like lynn started having problems and was isolated when jessy came in the picture. I definitely think she was dosing her for a long time though. I wonder what jessy's mom knew also? I dont know if she's guilty, but she's suspicious to me! Jessy paid her mom's rent with lynn's money and she doesn't know anything? That doesn't pass the smell test with me.
I think the State also got distracted by Kuklor’s closing distractions becs i was shocked that in rebuttal she did not…In response to defense comment about Lynn’s dads DOGTAGS -& putting them on day she was found- as if that’s some meaningful evidence of Suicide…
The obvious point is how does Kuklor know Lynn didn’t ALWAYS wear her dads DOGTAGS?
Or that Jessy put them on
The one time I actually agree with mrs. Kugler, if the jury doesn’t get it now, they never will.
1:02:50 Does Jessy not realize how bad it makes her look to be shaking her head and mouthing "wrong" over and over during States closing makes her look?
KuKu Needs a head check never hire that if in trouble 😂
lol the levels of doubt staircase. Looked like a visual aid from an MLM presentation
Who would have thought eyedrops could be deadly.
I wonder if they will start requiring people to show an ID when purchasing eyedrops, the way they do for cold/cough medicine? 🤔
I think they constrict the blood vessels which is why they help red and swollen eyes.
How many other homicides have been committed this way? It’s all very sad and the fact she put that worms precious cats to sleep,she should be jailed alone.
@@TruCrimeQueen She had the lady's cats killed?? I hope with all my heart they find this b!+c# guilty on all counts!!
What the absolute F?
She killed the woman and the woman’s cats???????!!!!!!
To go drink & gamble?????
Un- friggn-real! 💔💔💔💔💔💔
Miss Jessy sure doesn't have that arrogant smirk on her grill during the closing arguments. Instead, she's got those pursed lips and the fluttering eyes. Pursed lips happen when your angry and eyes flutter when nervous.
She knows she lost this case... by a landslide. The prosecution said she's not stupid, but when you put all her activity and changing stories in one clear picture... wow, she really effed herself 🤡
She misled herself 😂
That's why she was already crying before verdict lol
Judging from the jury questions I think they might be leaning towards 2nd Degree or manslaughter on the count 1 intentional homicide charge.
Guilty on all Financial crimes.
I wonder what all her party friends think about all this?
DONNA ADELSON ARRESTED!!!!!
Look at Detective Hoppe he’s a awesome detective 🫶🏻🙏👍🏻
❤
I truly believed Lynn was being poisoned by Jesse for a long time and when Lynn went to the hospital several times and they never detected the THZ (eyedrops) Jesse kept increasing the dose to control Lynn or keep lynn so sick and out of it she didn't realize what was happening. And I'm so surprised the Judge didn't say anything to Jesse for shaking her head no and mouthing "no or not what i said or no i didn't do that" during the prosecutors closing argument especially since the judge reprimanded someone sitting in the back of the courtroom for shaking his head No
Well, you didn't see when the judge mouthed, "She's lying again." 😂
So hoping verdict comes in later today! I def think she had been making her sick and dependent on her over the past few years she was I’ll and hospital obv didn’t check for it in their blood panels. Lynn’s money was inheritance that she saved she didn’t get that much from state above that, defence getting in there that she was getting food stamps, as if she didn’t deserve them, then got in that she was a horrible alcoholic!
How thick does defence have to be- of course they thought suicide was only when they checked for that specifically did they realise there was a problem!! Hope jury don’t drop the ball on this one 🫣
So in the end her mom gets everything
IS THAT SUSAN OPPER SITTING IN THE GALLERY at 1:21:38 😮 I REMEMBER HER FROM THE DARRELL BROOKS TRIAL!
Why are you busting caps on us? Didn't you notice others don't use caps? It's like you're yelling oraybe you want the attention like "look at me, look at comment."
Is that Sue Opper sitting in the gallery next to the guy with the beard on the defense side?? Kind of looks like her…
Yes! Both from the brooks trial. Maybe Judge Dorow fans.
Why did the defense attorney keep referring to the eye drops as THC…?
THZ
Lol...
She thinks she should be charged with thefts only
This is a joke guilty come on it’s all their in front of them
You should be glad that they’re more careful about this than you are about your grammar and spelling. It’s a complicated case with a lot of evidence to consider and we don’t hang people in the town square based on accusations or gut feelings.
@@RozJohnson-xd1uxIt’s Dorow. And I think that explaining that “not guilty” does not mean innocent is important. The state has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and if they don’t, then that’s on them. You obviously think they did, and that’s great. I think the defense raised points that would personally give me pause as a juror and I’d want to talk it out. I appreciate them taking their time and making sure they come to a unanimous decision based on evidence.
@@nora__really? And here I thought only kids mocked a person's writing 🙄
@@RozJohnson-xd1ux She even seems confused by them.
Defense should have just asked for jury nullification just like Brooks did 😂😂
lol “you should be aware of the power you have. walk away from this with no regrets”
Her attorneys wanted him excused and threw a fit about it in the beginning and now that they will excuse him the defense wants it another way! I guarantee after conviction her attorneys will apply for an appeal due to impartial court or bias judge
I am a pharmacist and I can tell you that the toxicologist for the defense is right. There was a substantial number of medications in her system with potential for numerous drug interactions and toxicity. If you give tetrahydrazoline orally it would go through the liver and have first pass metabolism. There would be metabolites that could be measured and nobody looked at that. The toxicologist for the defense showed that the lady had to have ingested a large number of tablets. Another consideration is the validation of the lab that tested the blood. The prosecution should have had independent verification from the FBI lab to validate the results. I am not saying that the defendant is innocent but there is definitely substantial doubt and someone should take a look at the evidence again and reasonable doubt could possibly be established.I think the real thing that points to her guilt is the story about bringing the water bottle containing the 6 bottles of tetrahydrozoline. Despite sloppy forensic lab work that evidence in itself would probably be enough to convict.
Who?
Nobody knows what this person is talking about LOL. They don't know how to use timestamps apparently.
Juror 28 is who they are talking about. Right before defense starts closing. But not sure what the argument was. That’s why I came to comments
Just here for the view
Excusing a juror by pretending to drag his name out of a box, is that even legal? Really weird to me but OK I actually trust judge Dorow, think she is great. So yeah let’s just go along with it. For now
What’s taking sooooooo long with this jury?
Wish Opper were there. ❤
Did she go in the hospital before she died,,did she died in the hospital?
"Did she died in the hospital?" Learn proper grammar then with a little effort on your part, find the answer to your own question instead relying on strangers. Are you just too lazy to search yourself?
You did not have to say anything,,if you don't know..ok
@@deloisrichardson2636she did go to the hospital and was admitted several times. However, on the day she committed suicide, she died at home. Hope this helps.
@@ambat22What suicide?? She was murdered.
@@hollyjolly2066 I’m sorry-the day Jessy SAID she committed suicide.
A whole new jury should have been brought in when the 1 jury walked away because he felt the other jury members would pressure him…Talk among themselves already apparently
Caregivers get paid and CYA Cover Your Ass or you too may be arrested of a crime.
You'd probably TAKE someone's entire savings then. No need to cover your ass if you're doing the right thing.
I don't understand how Alex Murdaugh can be found guilty in 3 hours of deliberation and this jury is still out I don't get it
Alex was so guilty you could smell it through the video. As is this woman, just took the jury a little longer to ensure they had their definitions dialed in
Visited dose work
WTF.
JURY QUESTION 9:27:39 - WTF is “Practically Certain” Practically means “Almost; nearly” THIS IS REASONABLE DOUBT
So what? Clearly Jessy is guilty.
@@LakeGirl24Frank Sutton would be so disappointed in his granddaughter if he were alive.
This was a mess Dorrow compared Wisconsin to Mississippi this trial was a hot ass mess.
pray & invite King Jesus Christ the Holy Judge in these courtrooms & our Supreme courts. Let God win, do Matthew 6:10 invite Jesus in every case. thanks i am getting saved now
Someone's drunk commenting. Just rambling with no logical explanation. Good job! 👍
@@LakeGirl24Actually, it made perfect sense.
Repent and ask Christ Jesus to forgive you or you will be in hell eternally…
Doubtful
Weirdo
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@@hollyjolly2066 Amen❤️the deception is great in the world..they call evil good and good evil …God bless you..keep your eyes on Jesus Christ..he is the way, the truth and the light..
@@nellamaiorana6780 I accepted him into my heart at the age of four, and have never doubted the truth.
P. S. Thank you, and may God bless you as well.
Verdict is not on all count guilty, you’re welcome
The jury went home. No verdict found yet.
@@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654
Maybe she can see the future😮😂😂😂
Yes the jury went home for the night
Wrong!!! The jury went home. You’re welcome
I think she’s guilty but I also think it’s going to be tough for the jury to find her guilty of murder. Theft? Yep, guilty all day. But the murder is hard due to Lynn having all those meds in her system on top of the tetra.
This is the sloppiest trial I have ever seen judge do I think she can forget that Supreme Court seat….The charges were wrong and she passed it thru and the jury was pathetic.
This judge is inept. At around 9:29:00 she has no ready explanation as to what the term 'practically certain' means ('Defendants behaviour is practically certain to cause the death...). This is a most basic element in the jury instructions as to the meaning of 'intent'. Why does this judge not know the meaning of this after going to law school for decades? I mean what has she taken out of all her 'education'. She then proceeds to display her continuing helplessness by admitting that she can't find the relevant explanation and comment for the term in the code (Which she relied on the lawyers for it's source in the first place) because her 'search' in the Word document she has 'isn't working'. Just total disqualification for being a judge, and in a murder trial,where one's life is at stake no less! She should be fired. This is the same judge whose emotional instability and childishness was on full display in the Darrell Brooks trial.
"This is the same judge whose emotional instability and childishness were on full display in the Darrell Brooks trial" boo boo. That was Darrell, not Judge Jen. Get your head out your arse, quit listening to Joe Blow Rogan, and read a book.
Your jealousy of her success stinks through the screen.
Are you a judge? Another keyboard warrior.
I totally disagree with you. I watched that whole trial and he was a clown. She had the patience of a saint with that guy! This defense team was ridiculous. They were unprepared most days and rude to witnesses even with their own sometimes. They had to grasp at straws because they had no real testimony to provide reasonable doubt. Just my opinion.
Wow are you on the same planet as we are? This is one of the best judges. Knows the law, has immeasurable patience, especially with this horrible defense team and runs her court fair but firm.
We must not be living on the same planet 🤔
Judge Jennifer Dorrow is a very fair judge! She’s by the book in this trial and in others and was great in the Darrell brooks trial dealing with him!