00:00 Madeline Soto Case Background 01:36 New Documents 04:16 Expert Analysis #CourtTV Catch up on the #MadelineSoto case here: www.courttv.com/tag/stephan-sterns/?
@COURTTV I can't get over the bit about MS having a 'night time' medication. (This specific med was probably Benadryl HOWEVER when SS was around did he perhaps substitute MS's typical med with another, stronger pill? Does he have any Rx history of Ambien, Xanax, etc refills at local pharmacies in OC or North Port? Did he arrive separately to MS's home because he said had to 'pick some things up at Walgreens'... like a Rx refill!?!?) Strange how he was at the party but she was dropped off @home by her aunt- arriving home before SS did... MAIN Q: Is there anyway to find out if MS is visibly AWAKE, CONSCIOUS in any of the CSAM recovered from SS's grim caché of pics & vids on his phone? Perhaps on that night, specifically SS had been to 'eager' 🤮 to abuse MS after his long absence from the home (& Maddie) that he didn't wait long enough for the substitute 'night time' med to work. That could have resulted in being the 1st time that Maddie had FULLY & CONSCIOUSLY recognized IN REAL TIME what was really going on- The weight & terror of waking to find SS in the process of both pleasing himself & abusing her seems easy to conclude WAS A TOTAL UNWELCOME SURPRISE TO THE YOUNG GIRL because if the abuse has been something which was previously known to MS, if she had been 'groomed' to accept the abuse as 'love' or 'special' or 'regular' or 'routine' the MURDER would NOT have been (what we know now from the recently released LE docs) committed DURING THE ACT OF SEXUAL ABUSE. IF SS thought MS was pregnant, or going to tell, or ...... he could have taken her hiking, fishing in a boat & staged an 'accident' No, the fact that her murder happened DURING an act of abuse shows that MADDIE PANICKED and if she knew full well about the abuse - that it has been a pattern, a routine @ SS's hands FOR YEARS & YEARS she would never have PANICKED- However she panicked & probably tried screaming for help much so that this obviously sent SS into a PANIC that he in a split second decided that his only choice was to murder MS and figure out the rest, later. I'm sure he'd had 'close calls' w MS while he had waited long enough for the 'special night time meds' to completely knock her out cold. But- although she may floated in & out of consciousness as he preyed on her lifeless body he had gotten used to her always quickly passing right back out, & then continuing his abuse with zero resistance or concern she would remember. Just a thought 💭
Of course it makes sense he would say that. His narcissistic toes can’t check the temperature of how far he can push his will… if he doesn’t leak a little truth into his humor.🤦🏻♀️Fact; it seems M’s too scared to tell anyone? Hypothetically, if I wrote this into a movie… (which I’m not) From a V’tms point of view… the kid’s rarely afraid for their own safety after a benefactor uses her. We feel like we should have “seen it coming” as if it’s a personal failure, in many cases. All he has to do is prove to her, he would hurt someone she loves or take something away she believes she needs. You have no idea how easy it is to be trapped into these circumstances. I grew up witnessing this over and over on the Wear coast. We even knew to stay away from the fancy black cars with no plates. Epstein years later… everyone’s surprised? How does THAT happen? That’s what I want to know.😢Why can’t you see us before it happens.😔
A girl isn’t going to come out and say she’s being SA’d by a trusted adult-she’s going to say he’s “weird” and makes her uncomfortable. This should have been a HUGE red flag.
Shocking that the counselor didn't zero in on that statement and use it to dig deeper for answers. Maddie would've been better off anywhere else, besides the place she stayed at. You can't really call it a home, because a home is where you feel safe.
As an adult and survivor of SA as a child I would have zeroed right in on that comment. Weird? What do you mean? And chances are good if an adult had reported uneasy feelings , that child would be alive..
I couldn't agree more! If that counselor had asked more questions, she may have saved this girls life. Unfortunately, she's only human and humans make mistakes 😢 RIP sweet angel 🙏💙
FYI you pause and read the statement the counselor said “when pressed” she said it was because he ate all their food. So it seems she did try to get her to elaborate but Madeline clammed up (which is to be expected. That’s a lot of weight for a little 12 year old to carry not knowing what would happen if she let it go. And who knows if this monster was threatening her if she told anyone.)
@leyley1970 I thought that, too! If a child/teen has ‘creepy’ feelings about someone, find out why! The counselor should’ve asked what made her feel uncomfortable. Maybe she was going to bring it up more gradually instead of all at once?
@@supme7558not speculation. Jennifer Soto stated it to the police that she would send her boyfriend and Maddaline to sleep in a different room so she could get better sleep
I agreed with you l am sure she has no idea that was happening to her daughter l have 3 girls l learned by watching movies then l got paranoid and protected my girls l never leave any man alone with my children only their dad and all mothers should teach their children about sex so that they can know what is happening to them
@@colleenpeck6347 Jennifer's mom was around there, worked & lived close to them, but DID tell Jennifer, her daughter, that she didn't like or trust Sterns but Jennifer apparently didn't believe it...or didn't WANT to believe it. You gotta remember that Sterns has been around Jennifer & Maddie for about 7 years. Probably why Jennifer apparently trusted him so much, even suggesting they sleep somewhere else together (which I would NEVER had done...but Jennifer did). My opinion (and others) is that Maddie wanted to sleep with her mom because if she slept alone, Sterns would come over and he'd insist on s^x with her. That's why Maddie apparently preferred to sleep with Jennifer, if Jennifer insisted on Sterns being there also or not. If Jennifer was there, he couldn't S.A. Maddie. Poor girl.
I think Maddie, this girl, had some special needs. She was afraid to sleep by herself. It still doesn't make sense to me why this Momma let this Sterns guy just take control of her child. And even more so if the child has special needs! What does Momma mean she needs her sleep? Sterns was sleeping with her child and Momma was okay with this!!
A 13 year old disrupting mother's sleep? This is not a toddler. Mom had no other children. 4 bedroom home? She willingly let this monster ravage her daughter. Poor girl had no one to help! 😓
@@americangirl1344 exactly!,If she told i believe Madeline would be alive right now, and wtf is she letting her daughter, sleep with Stephan ,Jen is so clueless if she never ever thought he'd do it. She knew i'm sorry,she needs to do time too.
As a childhood SA survivor you never tell the deepest darkest secret. The threats of harm seemed much worse than the abuse. They build trust with you then use it as a weapon to yield against you. The abuse is horrible and sickening, but the “consequences of telling anyone” (at least the way it’s conveyed) makes you more fearful than the actual abuse. It makes me so unbelievably sad, sick, and angry that no one was able to protect her!
@@NutsNBerries we need more courage?! Do you understand how out of touch and disgusting that sounds? My SA started when I was 5 years old! It didn’t end until I was almost a teenager! Have more courage? You mean I needed more courage when I had to throw away my bloody panties because I was so afraid I was going to get in trouble?! As a 6 year old, I should have had more courage that my mom was going to stop loving me and would give me up and I would never see my family again?! At 8 years old I told a teacher and she said it was a personal problem and she couldn’t help me?! As a 9 year old I should have had more courage to scream loud as he snuck in the shower and said he would slice me open with a razor?! You’re right! Why didn’t I think of that?!?! If you’ve never been abused (and I pray you haven’t been victim to it nor ever will be!) then you have NO IDEA what we go through! You have NO IDEA the fear and sickness that accompanies abuse!! I should have been braver when he was choking me and said how easy it would be for me to never wake up again! Why as a child should I be more responsible than the abuser?! I/We just want to survive and be protected! I pray that you reread your comment and really consider how you processed terror at 5 years old!! Of course I/we don’t want anyone else to be abused ever! But they steal our power, our voice, and tell us how worthless and disgusting we are and how no one will ever love us again!! That no one will ever believe me/us, they will call me/us a liar, and send me/us to orphanage and no one will want me/us because they will think I’m a liar!! Your comment is sooo misguided!!! Do you know how many years of counseling it takes to no longer blame yourself?! The amount of self loathing we feel is beyond what you can imagine!! Do you know horrible the PTSD is at night when you can’t wake up and get away from your abuser?! I still have nightmares!! The horrors that we live can’t be understood by others and I accept that, but please don’t EVER tell an abuse victim that they should be stronger, have more courage, to be more brave! We have lived through hell and managed to survive, and that’s miraculous! I still struggle speaking up for myself!! Maddie didn’t need to be more braver or have more courage!! She needed a mom that protected her and didn’t send her abuser to go sleep in bed with her daughter!! Maddie deserved to be protected and loved! She deserved to have someone fight for her!! She deserved to have a happy childhood and not have her purity ripped away from her!! She deserved to sleep alone in a bed a night and not have a monster come slip beneath her sheets!! She deserved to feel safe in a house and not constantly looking over her shoulder! Do you know how many times her skin crawled as she felt him looking towards her?! Do you know how many times she crawled in a shower and bawled as she tried to scrub the smell of him off her and stem the blood that flowed down her legs from being torn?!?! Is this graphic?! Yes it is! But it’s the truth!! So please, before you post a response please think and consider what you say because your words carry more weight than you will ever know!! Victims have worked for years and decades to be able to function and not blame ourselves!! I pray this shines some light on what we have to overcome to even begin healing!!!
This poor girl had a horrific mother. Her mother’s number one job was to protect her daughter! There’s no way this went in for YEARS without the mother knowing!
Didn’t one of the interviews or documents say they gave her sleep aids? I wonder if she even knew the abuse was happening. He could have kept her drugged the whole time
I also was thinking the same thought. Maybe she didn't know she was being SA. I believe she was addicted to whatever they were giving her@shannonhorch3781
She had some developmental delays, I am think her mother must have as well. I had a foster child that would freak out if left alone to sleep. She was raised in a home with bed sharing,I think because of this a 12 year old refused to sleep alone. I had to set up a recliner next to her bed & hold her hand for a few weeks until she was able to sleep alone. She was with us a short time but I really think she learned a lot . She was able to graduate HS from the special school too.
Not necessarily. People can make people feel uncomfortable for a variety of reasons. A child could just be saying that because they are jealous that mom or dad’s partner is taking time and attention away from them. The person could be mean, or just really quiet and that could make you uncomfortable. They could have an intimidating presence and that can make you feel uneasy. It’s not fair to blame the guidance counselor. Perhaps they could’ve asked her more questions but at the end of the day, they can only do so much with a statement like that. Victims are often groomed into silence using fear tactics. Abusers will say things like, “your mom will get mad at you”. “You will have no where to live”. “Your dad won’t love you anymore” or “people will blame you!”. “I’ll get arrested and put in jail., I don’t think Madeline ever would have told a school guidance counselor; sadly
I’m sorry but any sane person would want to ask “why?” & I’d even ask has he done anything to make you feel uncomfortable and I’d watch her facial expressions and eyes when she answers vaguely. Why wouldn’t they ask further questions on the reasoning why she was uncomfortable.
They fear being alone, accepting any affection they can get. Children are vulnerable, it's up to us, as those who bring them into this world, to protect them.
Yes! She was born into a mess that was not her fault. Dad left Jen, Jen was a bad mother and cared more about finding a boyfriend than solely focusing on her daughters well being. She was failed by many!
Duh trust 🙄 would you have any of those you listed baby sit alone ..no ..no you wouldnt its alomost always in a family setting and trust is broken ...what you described is paranoia
@@supme7558 Any idea as to the lifelong effects of being SAed as a child? Better paranoid than ending up with a child so damaged that they would rather unalive themselves (from the psychological & emotional pain). Trauma changes a persons' brain function on a physical level- affects the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex. You speak ignorance.
@@supme7558those are all people that may be in a position of trust! That is what the person is trying to say. More often than not the abusers are in a position of trust which gives them easy access to their victims.
Why oh why did they think a 13 year old needs to be “put” to bed? And even worse by the monster. And even more appalling to go to bed with him. Unbelievable!! Mom prioritized her own sleep and likely used sleep aids that’s why she wasn’t aware of what was going on. But I think deep down she knew!!! How do you send a grown man to sleep with your child? I’ll never understand as a mother of a 13 year old daughter myself.
Exactly what I thought! As a mother I didn't have to put my 13 year olds to bed ever! I may have had to tell them to go to bed but they got themselves ready for bed. What a strange thing to say...
So he basically told a woman he was dating that he was abusing this little girl and she didn’t tell anyone? People like her are a big part of the problem. SPEAK UP!!!!!
Wellllll, I guess I would have done the same as her. Just because he said this doesn't mean he actually d-i-d this, and so if she called the police, he could just deny it (and it looks like Jennifer & Maddie would probably deny it too, for each their own reasons)...and then Sterns could come after the woman who reported him. On the other hand, the counselor at the school is a mandated reporter that legally h-a-s to report anything like this...sadly, Maddie didn't feel comfortable enough with the counselor to tell what was r-e-a-l-l-y going on.
@@bettywith2girlsit would have AT LEAST given Maddie a CHANCE TO BE HEARD AND BELIEVED...... YOU DONT KNOW THINGS LIKE THIS AND SAY NOTHING. WE HAVE TO BE THE VOICE FOR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That woman he was dating that stopped dating him because of the weird crap he was telling her about his relationship with Madeline, really should have called child protective services. People need to start watching out for children.
Yep, just like Casey Anthony. Women who bear children who are never in any way maternal. They aren’t Mom’s, Mama’s or Mother’s…they’re ‘Breeders’, plain and simple. As gross a word as that it is, it’s the only word that describes their lack of care, concern, affection, warmth, mama bear protectiveness. Breeders.
The fact that Mom was okay with him laying in bed with her is so far beyond disgusting it makes me want to vomit. At the very LEAST mom is guilty of neglect. It was her responsibility to PROTECT HER CHILD. She failed miserably. Charges need filed against her as well. Charges have been filed on others for far less!
@@lisaleidy344 no parent is that naive about their child.. their daughter particularly. And if they are they shouldn't have children. She PUT her in harms way. There are zero excuses for that. Not even being naive. So many red flags. He had to "put her to bed"??? As a parent I haven't ever had "to put my 13 year old to bed".. perhaps tell them to go to bed but never gotten them ready as if they were toddlers. She "had to cuddle" to fall asleep.. that sounds made up. Especially since there is documentation of her telling the school counselor that she didn't like him. The ball was dropped.. multiple people should have seen the red flags flying everywhere and yet no one asked more questions or even cared.
Yea seemed like she put her in the too hard basket and let him take over when she couldnt be bothered what on earth was she thinking making her child go to bed with him maddie must have felt trapped
I hate that she came out on television holding Stephan too, whiled he cried, but never came back to condemn him when she learned the truth. Instead she was in denial and went in hiding. That alone is why I dgaf what the real reason or excuse is anymore. She was a shitty parent. Period. Don't matter if she knew or not. Actions will always speak way louder than words.
This case hurts me deeply. Madeline reminds me of myself. I was m0lested repeatedly by my sister's husband from the age of 5 until I was 12. I was afraid to tell anyone because he always said I would get in trouble. I didn't have the ability to see that he was 100% at fault and not me. It eventually came to light when I skipped my period and had a pregnancy scare. I don't know how to encourage a child to be more honest about things like this, but please please PLEASE listen to children when they you someone is making them uncomfortable. Ask more questions, but in a kind way. Dont let your fear scare them into thinking they said something wrong. Never let them around that person again. You may think that sounds extreme, but children don't just say these things at random. Poor Madeline. 😢
Most of the time victims of abuse are afraid of consequences and some are ashamed as well. So many pedophiles thrive on silence. I'm so sorry you had to endure this abuse from your sister's husband.
Same my first memory was of 8 yrs old. I finally spoke up at 14. That's how long he silenced me, when I began my first relationship at 14 and realized he was jealous and got more controlling of my whereabouts, is when I reported and only after a school assembly with detectives warning children about abuse. I seriously felt like the detective was telling my story. I then realized for the first time. I was not alone, and I told my best friend who made me report it to my Dad. The relief I felt after telling and just knowing no more, it will now stop. Unfortunately, he was arrested and charges were dropped shorly after by my Dad because my sister threatened my Dad with his secret... Sister / family did not believe me and blamed me for not saying anything to them. Shameful just Shameful. I was kept away from him for 4 yrs but family acted as if nothing ever happened. I got my justice, 4 yrs later he lost his eyesight, got toes amputated. I forgave my family because I loved them although they did not protect me. It's heartbreaking... when I think of Maddie... I did not suffer as much as she did. I am a survivor. Justice for Maddie💚
@franceskonwai823 I am so so sorry your family wasn't there for you. I experienced the same. No one wanted to believe me because my sister's husband was "the funny guy." Everyone liked him. I was called a liar by everyone in my family. My mom offered to pay for him to take a lie detector test to prove his innocence. He, of course, refused. I spoke up and said I would take it. My family was shocked and threatened me that I better not be wasting everyone's time and money (those tests are not cheap and my mom was not well off). I did it anyway. The man who ran the test said it was the strongest positive response he had ever seen, and he had no doubt I was being honest. It took all of that for my mom and others in my family to finally believe me. But my sister didn't. She refused to believe the truth. She told my mom the only way she was going to see her grandchildren was if I was locked in my room when they (my sister and her husband who raped me) visited. And my mother complied. Every holiday I spent locked away in my room. Thanksgiving meals were brought to my room like a prisoner being brought a food tray. I spent Christmases alone locked in my room, same with food being brought to my room. I was the one who was shunned, not the child molester. I am now 36 years old and I still struggle with finding how to forgive my family for this. I love my mother, but I'll never understand why she chose to allow this man in our home for so many years while locking me away like a prisoner. It still hurts, but it's gotten significantly better as time has moved on.
Vinnie... Do you not find it strange, that Jenn called Stephan to come back after he had been gone for a month, And the very night he returns, Madeline is killed. They need to CHARGE HER MOTHER TOO.
Absolutely!! 💯% I also thought it was rather odd and too quick for something unplanned or not premeditated to be gone wrong so fast!! He didn't show up until sometime later, the night of her birthday. What could have transpired and escalated the situation to have led him to do what he did to her?? 😢😥😭 The thoughts and speculations that are going through my head just wouldn't stop. I genuinely wonder how and what could've happened for him to have done this to poor Madeline. Sadly, she's not here to speak and defend herself of what happened. Only God knows. May His Devine Power defend and speak on her behalf. 😢❤
Why did the aunt left her there knowing her mom was not home instead she should've kept her at the grandma and have her pick her up they also are responsible for leaving her knowing that sicko was there alone.the family also have different stories.
Unfortunately this sweet girl was disposed of within a couple of miles of my home. I await justice for Maddy. Both by conviction of Stephan and this so called mother.
I would never let a man who isn't the children father sleep with them I the same bed, sit on their lap, text all day, kiss them.. where are the damn boundaries with this mother???
Not even a biological father would let this behavior be ok my dad taught me very young about healthy boundaries and that sitting on laps and especially not sleeping together. All good dads should be teaching their sons and daughters these.
@zyrosqrd2552 Clearly not. I am a mother with no girls and I set boundaries with my sons from young, kids needs to be independent and have some safe spaces. When it comes to the internet, friends, school etc I am in their business but interms of bathing them, sleeping with them I don't cross that line unless the come to me with personal questions or scared and we talk it through but this lady was aking for trouble
They need to pick up the "Mom" for her own protection. If she has mental issues, she might take it upon herself to self-harm, instead of answering in a court of law....
@@gembearer67 I agree, I don't think she's all the way there, she seems gullible and naive, so I'll hold off on directly blaming her because these predators choose victims they can easily manipulate.
Nothing New,The same happen to me also I told the school and nothing happen, I call workers and told them If you dont get me out of this dam house I am going to ????????
I hope you are coping ok & healing somewhat, now😢. I am sorry to hear that ppl failed you. You are brave for speaking out and hold your head up high, you are precious.
I’m absolutely SURE that the woman he was dating, who broke it off with him after that confession, is racked with guilt now. This case is equal parts heartbreaking and infuriating on just SO many levels. 😢🤬
She may not have known this behavior wasn’t “normal”. My abuser convinced me that everything going on in my home was normal, that everyone else outside our home were the one’s who weren’t normal. That what was happening was away to show “love.” Loyalty and affection. He convinced me it was unique, special, and made me superior. It is sick what these monsters can do to a child’s mind and beliefs. Her mother Jen MUST BE PROSECUTED!
Letting Jen Soto off the hook send a bad message to Mothers that they're not responsible for their children. The woman is just as sick , just as guilty, just as disturbed and offered her daughter up to the devil so she could have a man. Absolutely disgusting. The school counselor , the system and especially her mother failed her.
When I was a young girl age 6-11, I never told anyone about what was happening to me. Stepdad put great fear into me about bad things that would happen. Very common.
This happened to me as well! Same age and by my step dad..he threatened me with killing my mom and brother. I would go away for summer break to my grandmas in Mexico and it wasn’t until I was 10 that I told my family over there because I was in another country and felt safe. I couldn’t take it anymore. Have I told while I was in the same vicinity I think I would have been in danger just like Maddy. I think she was tired of the abuse and probably threatened to tell on him. 😢 I hate that there are monsters that do this to children. I hope that you continue to heal & live a wonderful life 🙏🏻✨
@@mayramoreno7816 bless you. I’m glad you could escape the situation safely. Yes I have spent most of my life healing from this but I’m ok now. Maddie’s case is so close to our hearts. Much love. 🙏❤️✨
I’m a nurse and I’ve dealt with many deaths, and if he was able to move her body at that time and she was limp, then she hadn’t been deceased for very long at all. Rigor mortis kicks in pretty quickly, like within an hour or so.
As a survivor, I want to make this clear! No child victim is going to come right out and say I am being abused. We give signs and hints for HELP and grown up's SHOULD be wise enough to inquire further. To care enough to inquire further, especially a COUNCILLOR! Maddie gave the red flags saying he makes her uncomfortable, he's weird. Why did that councillor not pull out more info?! The co-worker/ex-girlfriend dating the pedo, WHY did she not report what he told her. Nothing about what he told her is normal!!! EVERYONE failed this girl and I can tell you as a survivor, EVEN when they are told straight out, they choose to pretend it can't be true!! Wake up grown up's! Question children who say such concerning things. Take the time to care & believe what you are hearing, what your gut is telling you! 💔
@clairebrown4470 Yes, the fact he went on telegram that night makes me think he was distributing whatever it was on there. Maybe she refused him or said she was going to tell, and he lost it.
@@clairebrown4470YES! I was thinking this exact thing when I heard about this. She was taking “sleeping pills”? What 13 year old needs sleeping pills?? A very disturbed one! She may have been having nightmares and her “MOTHER” got her meds! I wonder if they were narcotics! I’m guessing if she was asleep during most of the videos I would think she would wake up and be scared to death to speak! 😢😢
Not always. My parents got me ready for bed at 13. I did my kids. Made sure they did everything they needed to do and make sure they got to bed on time. It doesn't mean following them around watching every minute. It just means staying on top of things.
Those were your PARENTS.This guy was her moms boyfriend. THATS the big difference. He had zero business cuddling with her to go to sleep etc. MOM is a pos. For allowing this. @MM-ik7cs
@@lizzie2323 Do you realize this thread is about helping kids getting ready for bed, not about the sleeping arrangements? I said nothing about where anyone sleeps!
Mother doesn't love herself, didn't loved her daughter but she sure is trauma bonded to her daughter's "dad". Sick calling your on and off "boyfriend" your daughter's dad. He would only come back to her for her daughter, he didn't cared for the woman. He wanted access to that innocent child!!
And I think Jen KNEW that but was fine with it as long as she had Sterns back in the house, for WHATEVER reason. She really did trade her daughter for the monster's company.
@ohbebe I would have probed more but that does not mean that is what everybody has to do as well. To be fair, I was not there in the room. We do not know Maddie's behavior. Her tone of voice, body language and exact words used as well as the whole conversation. Maybe things were said flippantly. We also do not know the whole context where these key points were brought out. We will never know because Maddie is not here to ask our questions to. As for me, I will wait until the trial for answers. If it comes out before in discovery, great, I'd love that.
This case is haunting me like no other. Oh how I wish the clocks could be turned back and Madeline saved. Heartbreaking what this monster did to her. Thanks for covering this case so well!
If a student reports that a man is creepy and a counselor doesn't pick up on that and dig deeper, then that person should not be a counselor. I hope that counselor feels terrible for her own inability to do her job cuz she should!
Depending how many times she met with the counselor, she likely didn’t feel comfortable sharing her secret due to lack of rapport. School counselors aren’t trained in the same way that mental heals counselors are.
@@anabellys exactly - sounds like it was a standard school counselor check-in, not that the two of them had built any relationship for Madeline to divulge everything
School counselor did ask proceeding questions and Madeline wasn't divulging further.... name one teen or preteen that doesn't have some sort of complaint or criticism about their parents, step parents or a parent's GF/BF?
Why does a 13 yr old need help getting ready for bed, or doesn't even know her own address? It seems at home mom and BF treated her like there was something wrong with her. I suspect Sterns began working on Jen early on to believe this also, so he could easily gain access to Maddie.
YES. All their texts should be visible. I can't wait for him to get his due from the prison population of fathers, brothers, uncles, and grandfathers. His future is sealed with a new kind of party, with HIM as the 'playmate'!
This story is a soul stealer !! The mother needs to be arrested immediately !! There's no freaking way a mother sends her child to sleep with a boyfriend !! FREAKING SICKENING
She text with Sterns a whole lot and talked with him on the phone. That was voluntary. If anyone was scared of someone, and they are not around, you are glad and do not try to communicate with them. In the case of grooming, fear tactics are not needed. Groomers are the ones that build a relationship of trust. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. It is a misconception that fear tactics are necessary.
Casey Anthony said she work for universal- doesn't Jenn supposedly work for Disney or is it universal? I'm so over theme parks due to weirdos around them. But that's been going on for decades of course.
@@IH8YALLL I hear you, but I think that she did actually work there. Briefly, there's some picture of her wearing an ugly uniform at universal, like khakis or something. But she didn't work there at the time of Kaylee's death, no.
Poor Madeline - unless she had interactions with her friends' families, she may not have even KNOWN what is NORMAL behavior on the part of adults/families.
This is why you don't let your boyfriend move in with you when you have kids, especially a teenage daughter. I don't care how much you trust the guy. Not a smart or protective mom.
This is beyond the pale though to be fair. You obviously don't allow him to sleep in bed with your daughter. I'm certain there are great stepfathers out there, and bio dad's that sexually abuse kids. It was just so obviously inappropriate in this case. Shame on the mother no question.
This is a huge red flag that she told them to sleep in the bed alone with a grown man. Children stop co sleeping with their parents at an early age. The fact that he made her feel uncomfortable was another huge red flag. What in the world was her mother thinking?!
This is sickening, how can a mother or should I say so called mother allow this! I’ve been single 8 years because I just don’t trust men around all three of my daughters!
Surprise! There are lots of mothers who do not prioritize their children's safety and many who directly abuse their kids. Being a "mother" doesn't automatically make a woman a good person. Many fathers are just as protective of their kids' safety as the best of mothers; it's not a gender thing!
There’s really nothing to report there and it certainly wouldn’t have saved Madeline’s life if she had. He would’ve just said something like “Yeah I must’ve been having a sexual dream because I woke up and realized I had an erection and I rolled over on my side to make sure Madeline wouldn’t see it.” A guy waking up aroused isn’t anything the police or cps can or would do anything about. You have to look at things in the context at the time, not with the hindsight we all have now that everything has come out. All that was revealed to the other woman was that he woke up aroused and was scared Madeline would see that, which actually can be seen as him being protective and wanting to make sure she’s not sexualized. Nothing would’ve been done about it had it been reported.
In light of this, how could Jenn not know? Your former, 30 something year old boyfriend just comes over to your house to hang out with your young daughter? In what world does that make sense?
@@supme7558seriously? You’re watching a video on how this little girl was abused and murdered and you think we are wrong for “thinking like that” This monster is the exact reason why WE ALL should “think like that”
Yeah there's literally no valid reason a 30+ year old needs to be hanging out with a teenager. They have no business with them whatsoever. Abnormal behaviour from somebody with alterior motives.
@supme7558 no. Nope. Naw. He'll no. There is no reason a ex boyfriend to be spending one on one time with a child. To think so is naive at best and dangerous at worst.
He didn't go over just to hang out with Madeline. I think he told the woman that he was dating that he goes over to sleep with Madeline, not her mother.. Pure evil !
I want to know what the Counselor did with the information that Mom’s boyfriend “makes me feel uncomfortable”??! IMO, they needed to have Jen in their office, immediately.
that doesn't go to every person, nor every child. Every child has their own way of speaking and what they mean. Depending on what they learn growing up, what makes them comfortable, etc. Please don't place all children in one scope..all children are different. the word weird alone doesnt mean that all children should be checked out if they say that word . There might be other words that other children use .
I think many believe that. I wonder if they are trying to keep her "onside" through his first trial on the CP. They don't need her as a witness necessarily but keeping her off guard and complacent might help? Also, once he is convicted maybe it helps them solidify her charges and ensures HER conviction? I'm super curious about the strategy. I can't imagine they think she was unaware and/or not complicit in her death. The public won't trust them if they don't
@@Utoobeh4tesfreespeechAgreed, they don’t need Jenn to prosecute SS. My theory is there are more perpetrators and victims in this case. When you see one cockroach, you have an infestation.
It didn't sound like Madeline sought out going to the counselor for help - just that the counselor met with her per a scheduled basis as counselors are meant to speak with each child in the school, especially with ADHD or when there's issues with grades
I'm shocked at the amount of people in maddie's life that just ignored the weird relationship and red flags overall. Including that "friend" of the creep. The mother the main one. There's no way she didn't know
I have a feeling that Jen actually really his this strange dynamic from her family. I think that is why she used the term “WE dropped her off” because her mother and family would have questioned why the hell he was dropping her off. They are Hispanic and we typically don’t even let our children stay the night away from home or around strangers. Grandparents are usually very involved and even more likely to be strict with rules. I do find it odd the grandfather knew Sterns lived there and would be in the room with them for long periods of time… very unusual but that grandmother and the aunt seemed to sense something was off right away. I think Jen was covering the situation up from them hoping Madi would show back up and she wouldn’t have to admit he took her to school that day.
I saw that but for example my little ones have this condition from their dad that have very dark tone under the eyes... So I thought maybe she has it too. But yes it could also be a sign of not sleeping or crying a lot.
MS not telling anyone is a classic sign of being threatened by SS. I also was abused as a child by my sibling. I finally told my mom when I was in my 50s and her reaction is why I never told. She didn't believe me due to he was her golden boy. Arg.
@@supme7558do you have a better explanation? I’ve experienced this from men on dating apps (years ago now). They’ll tease out some info about their sexual preferences to see whether you’re someone who shares them or is intolerant of them. Most guys just want to know if a woman will be in a threesome with them or talk dirty but some have far darker interests.
NOOOOO - it's not what the creep is thinking - WHAT THE HELL IS JEN THINKING to continue the relationship with him and still allow her to sleep with her child.
The fact she mentioned anything about SS to the counselor was a plea for help! That counselor failed her by not making her feel safe and asking more detailed questions!
why would she tell? her own mother sent her to sleep in the same room with him 🤢 parents are to protect their children and she does NOT seem like the type of mother that would believe or protect her child. she was FAILED in so many ways! all of those signs are clear signs that something is really wrong with that dynamic, and a reasonable person wouldn't have allowed the things her mother allowed, smdh
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@COURTTV I can't get over the bit about MS having a 'night time' medication. (This specific med was probably Benadryl HOWEVER when SS was around did he perhaps substitute MS's typical med with another, stronger pill? Does he have any Rx history of Ambien, Xanax, etc refills at local pharmacies in OC or North Port? Did he arrive separately to MS's home because he said had to 'pick some things up at Walgreens'... like a Rx refill!?!?) Strange how he was at the party but she was dropped off @home by her aunt- arriving home before SS did... MAIN Q: Is there anyway to find out if MS is visibly AWAKE, CONSCIOUS in any of the CSAM recovered from SS's grim caché of pics & vids on his phone?
Perhaps on that night, specifically SS had been to 'eager' 🤮 to abuse MS after his long absence from the home (& Maddie) that he didn't wait long enough for the substitute 'night time' med to work. That could have resulted in being the 1st time that Maddie had FULLY & CONSCIOUSLY recognized IN REAL TIME what was really going on- The weight & terror of waking to find SS in the process of both pleasing himself & abusing her seems easy to conclude WAS A TOTAL UNWELCOME SURPRISE TO THE YOUNG GIRL because if the abuse has been something which was previously known to MS, if she had been 'groomed' to accept the abuse as 'love' or 'special' or 'regular' or 'routine' the MURDER would NOT have been (what we know now from the recently released LE docs) committed DURING THE ACT OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
IF SS thought MS was pregnant, or going to tell, or ...... he could have taken her hiking, fishing in a boat & staged an 'accident'
No, the fact that her murder happened DURING an act of abuse shows that MADDIE PANICKED and if she knew full well about the abuse - that it has been a pattern, a routine @ SS's hands FOR YEARS & YEARS she would never have PANICKED- However she panicked & probably tried screaming for help much so that this obviously sent SS into a PANIC that he in a split second decided that his only choice was to murder MS and figure out the rest, later.
I'm sure he'd had 'close calls' w MS while he had waited long enough for the 'special night time meds' to completely knock her out cold. But- although she may floated in & out of consciousness as he preyed on her lifeless body he had gotten used to her always quickly passing right back out, & then continuing his abuse with zero resistance or concern she would remember.
Just a thought 💭
Why didn't the co-worker report that evil snake?
The truth makes me so scared 😱
Of course it makes sense he would say that. His narcissistic toes can’t check the temperature of how far he can push his will… if he doesn’t leak a little truth into his humor.🤦🏻♀️Fact; it seems M’s too scared to tell anyone? Hypothetically, if I wrote this into a movie… (which I’m not) From a V’tms point of view… the kid’s rarely afraid for their own safety after a benefactor uses her. We feel like we should have “seen it coming” as if it’s a personal failure, in many cases. All he has to do is prove to her, he would hurt someone she loves or take something away she believes she needs. You have no idea how easy it is to be trapped into these circumstances. I grew up witnessing this over and over on the Wear coast. We even knew to stay away from the fancy black cars with no plates. Epstein years later… everyone’s surprised? How does THAT happen? That’s what I want to know.😢Why can’t you see us before it happens.😔
A girl isn’t going to come out and say she’s being SA’d by a trusted adult-she’s going to say he’s “weird” and makes her uncomfortable. This should have been a HUGE red flag.
Shocking that the counselor didn't zero in on that statement and use it to dig deeper for answers. Maddie would've been better off anywhere else, besides the place she stayed at. You can't really call it a home, because a home is where you feel safe.
As an adult and survivor of SA as a child I would have zeroed right in on that comment. Weird? What do you mean? And chances are good if an adult had reported uneasy feelings , that child would be alive..
I couldn't agree more! If that counselor had asked more questions, she may have saved this girls life. Unfortunately, she's only human and humans make mistakes 😢 RIP sweet angel 🙏💙
FYI you pause and read the statement the counselor said “when pressed” she said it was because he ate all their food.
So it seems she did try to get her to elaborate but Madeline clammed up (which is to be expected. That’s a lot of weight for a little 12 year old to carry not knowing what would happen if she let it go. And who knows if this monster was threatening her if she told anyone.)
school counselor didn't pick up on that - too bad the woman he dated & told about sleeping with Madeleine didn't call police.
When a child says HE CREEPS ME OUT? the counselor should have asked questions why she says that.. That is a red flag right there..
They answered that clearly.
Amen!!! What kind of mom does that 😞
@leyley1970 I thought that, too! If a child/teen has ‘creepy’ feelings about someone, find out why! The counselor should’ve asked what made her feel uncomfortable. Maybe she was going to bring it up more gradually instead of all at once?
@gointothedogs4634 I heard it, too.
INCOMPETENT SCHOOL COUNSELOR DIDN'T PROBE
Sickening as a Mother to have your daughter sleep in the same bed as your boyfriend while you sleep alone. 🤬
Is that a fact or speculation
Poor baby. Her mother, who was supposed to keep her safe, fed her to the wolves.
@@supme7558not speculation. Jennifer Soto stated it to the police that she would send her boyfriend and Maddaline to sleep in a different room so she could get better sleep
I agreed with you l am sure she has no idea that was happening to her daughter l have 3 girls l learned by watching movies then l got paranoid and protected my girls l never leave any man alone with my children only their dad and all mothers should teach their children about sex so that they can know what is happening to them
On the night of a party she wasn’t there for us would think she would stop thinking of herself
Every adult in Madeline's life failed her. Every single one.
Where were any grandparents?
Absolutely
Sad facts 😢
Yeah, a lot of Mexican families do that and there’s a lot of child predators where I live and other border towns 😢
@@colleenpeck6347 Jennifer's mom was around there, worked & lived close to them, but DID tell Jennifer, her daughter, that she didn't like or trust Sterns but Jennifer apparently didn't believe it...or didn't WANT to believe it. You gotta remember that Sterns has been around Jennifer & Maddie for about 7 years. Probably why Jennifer apparently trusted him so much, even suggesting they sleep somewhere else together (which I would NEVER had done...but Jennifer did). My opinion (and others) is that Maddie wanted to sleep with her mom because if she slept alone, Sterns would come over and he'd insist on s^x with her. That's why Maddie apparently preferred to sleep with Jennifer, if Jennifer insisted on Sterns being there also or not. If Jennifer was there, he couldn't S.A. Maddie. Poor girl.
I can’t imagine how unsafe she felt every day of her short life.
He could have more victims. Possibly even killed more than Madeline. 😢
Exactly. Poor girl.
So why is anyone having to get a 13-year-old ready for bed? And why didn't Madeline have her OWN bed to sleep in?
Exactly !
She did have her own bed
That makes this even more outrageous.
I still don't get, why she didn't know her own address at 13.
I think Maddie, this girl, had some special needs. She was afraid to sleep by herself. It still doesn't make sense to me why this Momma let this Sterns guy just take control of her child. And even more so if the child has special needs! What does Momma mean she needs her sleep? Sterns was sleeping with her child and Momma was okay with this!!
A 13 year old disrupting mother's sleep? This is not a toddler. Mom had no other children. 4 bedroom home? She willingly let this monster ravage her daughter. Poor girl had no one to help! 😓
One sick man and his equally sick "girlfriend" 😭
Both have a 1st class ticket to hell where they belong.
Yep, PAEDOPHILES!
The fact the other woman didn’t say something when he told her is sick too.
Your right with that!!
@@americangirl1344 exactly!,If she told i believe Madeline would be alive right now, and wtf is she letting her daughter, sleep with Stephan ,Jen is so clueless if she never ever thought he'd do it. She knew i'm sorry,she needs to do time too.
Every time he talks about Madeleine being “happy” or “I would comfort her” I want to throw up! Absolutely disgusting! Put him under the jail!
I agree. We don't know how many more victims he's damaged. And we know he can not be rehabilitated. There is no point in his existence.
@KatVogIf his acquaintances from the past are to be believed they're all creepy
me too... it is sickening...
He deserves a double orchiectomy, a penectomy and regular injections of Depo - Provera. Oh, and feed Sterns the medical waste😅!
I can't listen to his voice again.
As a childhood SA survivor you never tell the deepest darkest secret. The threats of harm seemed much worse than the abuse. They build trust with you then use it as a weapon to yield against you. The abuse is horrible and sickening, but the “consequences of telling anyone” (at least the way it’s conveyed) makes you more fearful than the actual abuse. It makes me so unbelievably sad, sick, and angry that no one was able to protect her!
yall need more courage...we need the victims to speak up...if yall don't creeps like him will always get away with it and hurt more little girls
@@NutsNBerries we need more courage?! Do you understand how out of touch and disgusting that sounds? My SA started when I was 5 years old! It didn’t end until I was almost a teenager! Have more courage? You mean I needed more courage when I had to throw away my bloody panties because I was so afraid I was going to get in trouble?! As a 6 year old, I should have had more courage that my mom was going to stop loving me and would give me up and I would never see my family again?! At 8 years old I told a teacher and she said it was a personal problem and she couldn’t help me?! As a 9 year old I should have had more courage to scream loud as he snuck in the shower and said he would slice me open with a razor?! You’re right! Why didn’t I think of that?!?! If you’ve never been abused (and I pray you haven’t been victim to it nor ever will be!) then you have NO IDEA what we go through! You have NO IDEA the fear and sickness that accompanies abuse!! I should have been braver when he was choking me and said how easy it would be for me to never wake up again! Why as a child should I be more responsible than the abuser?! I/We just want to survive and be protected! I pray that you reread your comment and really consider how you processed terror at 5 years old!! Of course I/we don’t want anyone else to be abused ever! But they steal our power, our voice, and tell us how worthless and disgusting we are and how no one will ever love us again!! That no one will ever believe me/us, they will call me/us a liar, and send me/us to orphanage and no one will want me/us because they will think I’m a liar!! Your comment is sooo misguided!!! Do you know how many years of counseling it takes to no longer blame yourself?! The amount of self loathing we feel is beyond what you can imagine!! Do you know horrible the PTSD is at night when you can’t wake up and get away from your abuser?! I still have nightmares!! The horrors that we live can’t be understood by others and I accept that, but please don’t EVER tell an abuse victim that they should be stronger, have more courage, to be more brave! We have lived through hell and managed to survive, and that’s miraculous! I still struggle speaking up for myself!!
Maddie didn’t need to be more braver or have more courage!! She needed a mom that protected her and didn’t send her abuser to go sleep in bed with her daughter!! Maddie deserved to be protected and loved! She deserved to have someone fight for her!! She deserved to have a happy childhood and not have her purity ripped away from her!! She deserved to sleep alone in a bed a night and not have a monster come slip beneath her sheets!! She deserved to feel safe in a house and not constantly looking over her shoulder! Do you know how many times her skin crawled as she felt him looking towards her?! Do you know how many times she crawled in a shower and bawled as she tried to scrub the smell of him off her and stem the blood that flowed down her legs from being torn?!?! Is this graphic?! Yes it is! But it’s the truth!! So please, before you post a response please think and consider what you say because your words carry more weight than you will ever know!! Victims have worked for years and decades to be able to function and not blame ourselves!! I pray this shines some light on what we have to overcome to even begin healing!!!
@@melissareznick4441 Amen!
This poor girl had a horrific mother. Her mother’s number one job was to protect her daughter! There’s no way this went in for YEARS without the mother knowing!
Madeline was not a toddler, and he’s getting her ready for bed? And mom is sending her to sleep in same bed as him? Ugh so sick 😢
I know that waa very peculiar what teenager needs help getting ready for bed??
Didn’t one of the interviews or documents say they gave her sleep aids? I wonder if she even knew the abuse was happening. He could have kept her drugged the whole time
I also was thinking the same thought. Maybe she didn't know she was being SA. I believe she was addicted to whatever they were giving her@shannonhorch3781
She had some developmental delays, I am think her mother must have as well. I had a foster child that would freak out if left alone to sleep. She was raised in a home with bed sharing,I think because of this a 12 year old refused to sleep alone. I had to set up a recliner next to her bed & hold her hand for a few weeks until she was able to sleep alone. She was with us a short time but I really think she learned a lot . She was able to graduate HS from the special school too.
Whe a young girl says “ he makes me feel uncomfortable “ that’s the BIG RED FLAG 🚩
However if the young girl says “eating all the food and always staying there” then there is little to move forward with
Not necessarily. People can make people feel uncomfortable for a variety of reasons. A child could just be saying that because they are jealous that mom or dad’s partner is taking time and attention away from them. The person could be mean, or just really quiet and that could make you uncomfortable. They could have an intimidating presence and that can make you feel uneasy. It’s not fair to blame the guidance counselor. Perhaps they could’ve asked her more questions but at the end of the day, they can only do so much with a statement like that. Victims are often groomed into silence using fear tactics. Abusers will say things like, “your mom will get mad at you”. “You will have no where to live”. “Your dad won’t love you anymore” or “people will blame you!”. “I’ll get arrested and put in jail., I don’t think Madeline ever would have told a school guidance counselor; sadly
@@lilmsmunchkin84exactly. I guess the counselor is supposed to be a mind reader too.
HUGE!!
I’m sorry but any sane person would want to ask “why?” & I’d even ask has he done anything to make you feel uncomfortable and I’d watch her facial expressions and eyes when she answers vaguely. Why wouldn’t they ask further questions on the reasoning why she was uncomfortable.
Single moms are you LISTENING?? Please learn, be vigilant, and trust no one with your children until 100% certain!
Monsters don't need to abduct children, they just need to date pathetic single women.
Not only single moms , EVERY MOM SHOULD BE AWARE!!
It has nothing with being single .
I have to remind you that incest exist
LOL THESSSE AWARENESS!! MOMS WILL STICK CHOOSE DICK OVER THIER KIDS!!
They fear being alone, accepting any affection they can get. Children are vulnerable, it's up to us, as those who bring them into this world, to protect them.
The counselor failed her. They rarely ever ask the right questions or report any concerns. Speaking from personal experience.
Her own mother failed her.
I agree.They are trained to see red flags.She should have investigated the family
Definately lots of red flags that should have been reported. The counselor should have done better! I hope they do better in the future.
How did the counselor fail her? They asked questions and she didn't want to say anything
@@enchiladabeansIf there is any concern about abuse they need to report
This was not just abuse it was torture. May she rest in peace
I hate it when a child _never had a chance!_
Yes! She was born into a mess that was not her fault. Dad left Jen, Jen was a bad mother and cared more about finding a boyfriend than solely focusing on her daughters well being. She was failed by many!
@@JenJenCoco She should've given up Maddie for adoption.
@@JenJenCocoDid dad also leave Maddie? I haven't heard anything about him.
😢😢
Surrounded by pathetic adults.
This could be your neighbor, your doorman, your local store owner, your server.... You simply cannot trust anyone with your child other than yourself
Duh trust 🙄 would you have any of those you listed baby sit alone ..no ..no you wouldnt its alomost always in a family setting and trust is broken ...what you described is paranoia
@@supme7558 Any idea as to the lifelong effects of being SAed as a child? Better paranoid than ending up with a child so damaged that they would rather unalive themselves (from the psychological & emotional pain). Trauma changes a persons' brain function on a physical level- affects the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal cortex. You speak ignorance.
NO ONE, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents.... NO ONE
I absolutely agree. Pedophiles comes in all shapes & sizes… they walk amongst us Every Day.
@@supme7558those are all people that may be in a position of trust! That is what the person is trying to say. More often than not the abusers are in a position of trust which gives them easy access to their victims.
Why oh why did they think a 13 year old needs to be “put” to bed? And even worse by the monster. And even more appalling to go to bed with him. Unbelievable!! Mom prioritized her own sleep and likely used sleep aids that’s why she wasn’t aware of what was going on. But I think deep down she knew!!! How do you send a grown man to sleep with your child? I’ll never understand as a mother of a 13 year old daughter myself.
Jenn Soto is sick and selfish to have forced her precious underage daughter to sleep and "snuggle" with an adult man. It is absolutely disgusting.
She was aware.
The mother knew everything...maybe even enabled and/or encouraged it. She should be in prison along with her sick bf.
@@LifesPeachy321 knowing how many s3xual videos and photos there were of SS abusing Maddie, i think mom helped.
Exactly what I thought! As a mother I didn't have to put my 13 year olds to bed ever! I may have had to tell them to go to bed but they got themselves ready for bed. What a strange thing to say...
So he basically told a woman he was dating that he was abusing this little girl and she didn’t tell anyone? People like her are a big part of the problem. SPEAK UP!!!!!
Wellllll, I guess I would have done the same as her. Just because he said this doesn't mean he actually d-i-d this, and so if she called the police, he could just deny it (and it looks like Jennifer & Maddie would probably deny it too, for each their own reasons)...and then Sterns could come after the woman who reported him. On the other hand, the counselor at the school is a mandated reporter that legally h-a-s to report anything like this...sadly, Maddie didn't feel comfortable enough with the counselor to tell what was r-e-a-l-l-y going on.
I KNOWWWWW LOCK HER BEHIND UP, TOO!!!!!!!! SHE IS AS DISGUSTING AS HE IS FOR NOT REPORTING HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@bettywith2girlsit would have AT LEAST given Maddie a CHANCE TO BE HEARD AND BELIEVED...... YOU DONT KNOW THINGS LIKE THIS AND SAY NOTHING. WE HAVE TO BE THE VOICE FOR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That woman he was dating that stopped dating him because of the weird crap he was telling her about his relationship with Madeline, really should have called child protective services. People need to start watching out for children.
There's something mentally wrong with the mother.
She's supposed to have Bipolar Disorder and taking meds for it.
so. obviously there is something wrong with Sterns too. they're the same...predators
That is NOT an excuse for what she failed to do for her child. Which is PROTECT her daughter.
Add evil to that.
@@anonymousfx486 my response wasn’t directed at you but hettie
Vinnie, I'll say it again and again. This "Mom" did not love nor care about her child. She never did. It's a fact, not all "women" are "maternal."
Absolutely!
The fact that we never saw even a tear or any kind of feeling from this woman says it all
Yep, just like Casey Anthony. Women who bear children who are never in any way maternal. They aren’t Mom’s, Mama’s or Mother’s…they’re ‘Breeders’, plain and simple. As gross a word as that it is, it’s the only word that describes their lack of care, concern, affection, warmth, mama bear protectiveness.
Breeders.
And the father don't care either
@KatVog I was thinking the exact same thing regarding jealousy.
🤮🤬
The fact that Mom was okay with him laying in bed with her is so far beyond disgusting it makes me want to vomit. At the very LEAST mom is guilty of neglect. It was her responsibility to PROTECT HER CHILD. She failed miserably. Charges need filed against her as well. Charges have been filed on others for far less!
It seems she was very naive.
@@lisaleidy344 no parent is that naive about their child.. their daughter particularly. And if they are they shouldn't have children. She PUT her in harms way. There are zero excuses for that. Not even being naive. So many red flags. He had to "put her to bed"??? As a parent I haven't ever had "to put my 13 year old to bed".. perhaps tell them to go to bed but never gotten them ready as if they were toddlers. She "had to cuddle" to fall asleep.. that sounds made up. Especially since there is documentation of her telling the school counselor that she didn't like him. The ball was dropped.. multiple people should have seen the red flags flying everywhere and yet no one asked more questions or even cared.
Yea seemed like she put her in the too hard basket and let him take over when she couldnt be bothered what on earth was she thinking making her child go to bed with him maddie must have felt trapped
He took a body into the trunk and NOBODY called the police??? Wtf is wrong with people?? Shame on them
You assume someone saw it. They are talking about seeing it on camera well after the fact, not in the moment
I want to hear from the mother and how she allowed a grown man to groom her daughter and didn't protect her.
I hate that she came out on television holding Stephan too, whiled he cried, but never came back to condemn him when she learned the truth. Instead she was in denial and went in hiding. That alone is why I dgaf what the real reason or excuse is anymore. She was a shitty parent. Period. Don't matter if she knew or not. Actions will always speak way louder than words.
This case hurts me deeply. Madeline reminds me of myself. I was m0lested repeatedly by my sister's husband from the age of 5 until I was 12. I was afraid to tell anyone because he always said I would get in trouble. I didn't have the ability to see that he was 100% at fault and not me. It eventually came to light when I skipped my period and had a pregnancy scare. I don't know how to encourage a child to be more honest about things like this, but please please PLEASE listen to children when they you someone is making them uncomfortable. Ask more questions, but in a kind way. Dont let your fear scare them into thinking they said something wrong. Never let them around that person again. You may think that sounds extreme, but children don't just say these things at random. Poor Madeline. 😢
Most of the time victims of abuse are afraid of consequences and some are ashamed as well. So many pedophiles thrive on silence. I'm so sorry you had to endure this abuse from your sister's husband.
Praying for your healing, Dear Sis. Sorry for your pain and lost innocence. ❤✨🙌🏾✨❤
Same my first memory was of 8 yrs old. I finally spoke up at 14. That's how long he silenced me, when I began my first relationship at 14 and realized he was jealous and got more controlling of my whereabouts, is when I reported and only after a school assembly with detectives warning children about abuse. I seriously felt like the detective was telling my story. I then realized for the first time. I was not alone, and I told my best friend who made me report it to my Dad. The relief I felt after telling and just knowing no more, it will now stop. Unfortunately, he was arrested and charges were dropped shorly after by my Dad because my sister threatened my Dad with his secret... Sister / family did not believe me and blamed me for not saying anything to them. Shameful just Shameful. I was kept away from him for 4 yrs but family acted as if nothing ever happened. I got my justice, 4 yrs later he lost his eyesight, got toes amputated. I forgave my family because I loved them although they did not protect me. It's heartbreaking... when I think of Maddie... I did not suffer as much as she did. I am a survivor. Justice for Maddie💚
@franceskonwai823 I am so so sorry your family wasn't there for you. I experienced the same. No one wanted to believe me because my sister's husband was "the funny guy." Everyone liked him. I was called a liar by everyone in my family. My mom offered to pay for him to take a lie detector test to prove his innocence. He, of course, refused. I spoke up and said I would take it. My family was shocked and threatened me that I better not be wasting everyone's time and money (those tests are not cheap and my mom was not well off). I did it anyway. The man who ran the test said it was the strongest positive response he had ever seen, and he had no doubt I was being honest. It took all of that for my mom and others in my family to finally believe me. But my sister didn't. She refused to believe the truth. She told my mom the only way she was going to see her grandchildren was if I was locked in my room when they (my sister and her husband who raped me) visited. And my mother complied. Every holiday I spent locked away in my room. Thanksgiving meals were brought to my room like a prisoner being brought a food tray. I spent Christmases alone locked in my room, same with food being brought to my room. I was the one who was shunned, not the child molester. I am now 36 years old and I still struggle with finding how to forgive my family for this. I love my mother, but I'll never understand why she chose to allow this man in our home for so many years while locking me away like a prisoner. It still hurts, but it's gotten significantly better as time has moved on.
parents have to tell kids...some parents don't have these conversations with kids
Vinnie...
Do you not find it strange, that Jenn called Stephan to come back after he had been gone for a month,
And the very night he returns,
Madeline is killed.
They need to CHARGE HER MOTHER TOO.
Absolutely!! 💯% I also thought it was rather odd and too quick for something unplanned or not premeditated to be gone wrong so fast!! He didn't show up until sometime later, the night of her birthday. What could have transpired and escalated the situation to have led him to do what he did to her?? 😢😥😭 The thoughts and speculations that are going through my head just wouldn't stop. I genuinely wonder how and what could've happened for him to have done this to poor Madeline. Sadly, she's not here to speak and defend herself of what happened. Only God knows. May His Devine Power defend and speak on her behalf. 😢❤
I’m not following . . . could you clarify for me?
Maybe Mom killed her that is why she phoned him to come back and help her
Why did the aunt left her there knowing her mom was not home instead she should've kept her at the grandma and have her pick her up they also are responsible for leaving her knowing that sicko was there alone.the family also have different stories.
In the beginning the family said he was at the party now all of the sudden the aunt drop her off
Unfortunately this sweet girl was disposed of within a couple of miles of my home. I await justice for Maddy. Both by conviction of Stephan and this so called mother.
I’m so ANGRY, why did no one report this!!! Especially the counselor
What MAN has to get a fully functioning 13 year old girl READY FOR BED?? Or ready for school for that matter??!!
him talking in past tense is a red flag , ''i loved her'' , ''she was a joy'' , she was already dead before the search even began
Mom also talked in past tense
I hope the mother gets charged too
And the father also
And the counselor that she told "he creeps me out" to !!!
@KatVog thats what im wondering too
I hope so too,
Hope her ass gets handed to her in jail too
I would never let a man who isn't the children father sleep with them I the same bed, sit on their lap, text all day, kiss them.. where are the damn boundaries with this mother???
Do you imagine that being a "mother" automatically means that a woman cares about her kids' safety and well-being? Cuz NOT.
Not even a biological father would let this behavior be ok my dad taught me very young about healthy boundaries and that sitting on laps and especially not sleeping together. All good dads should be teaching their sons and daughters these.
@zyrosqrd2552 Clearly not. I am a mother with no girls and I set boundaries with my sons from young, kids needs to be independent and have some safe spaces. When it comes to the internet, friends, school etc I am in their business but interms of bathing them, sleeping with them I don't cross that line unless the come to me with personal questions or scared and we talk it through but this lady was aking for trouble
How exactly do you get a 13 years old ready for bed? Gross.
How do you get a typically developing 13 yo ready for bed?
“Hey- go to bed!. Now!”
I wonder how many times Maddie told her mom " I HATE HIM MOM " STOP LETTING HIM BACK !"
Right!????? ARREST HER NOW!!!! What's the hold up???
My mom would have slapped me into the next millennium if I had said anything like that to her.
The mother should be locked up right now.
They need to pick up the "Mom" for her own protection. If she has mental issues, she might take it upon herself to self-harm, instead of answering in a court of law....
@@gembearer67 I agree, I don't think she's all the way there, she seems gullible and naive, so I'll hold off on directly blaming her because these predators choose victims they can easily manipulate.
@@beeeazy9818she is not gullible or naive. u just don't feel comfortable admitting some1 like her does these things.
She makes me SICK. LOCK HER UP NOW!!!!!
The counselor knew he made her uncomfortable and didn't report it?!
Just like the exgf knew about the "cuddling" and did not report it
Nothing New,The same happen to me also
I told the school and nothing happen, I call workers and told them If you dont get me out of this dam house
I am going to ????????
I hope you are coping ok & healing somewhat, now😢. I am sorry to hear that ppl failed you. You are brave for speaking out and hold your head up high, you are precious.
Because eating food and being weird is not signs of abuse. Nor is it criminal.
It happens all the time. I was abused, and people knew it and just ignored it. If it's not someone's problem, they don't care.
@MM-ik7cs making her feel uncomfortable. Telling the ex what he said about sleeping in the same bed and the other gross stuff. Yeah ok 🙄
I’m absolutely SURE that the woman he was dating, who broke it off with him after that confession, is racked with guilt now.
This case is equal parts heartbreaking and infuriating on just SO many levels.
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She may not have known this behavior wasn’t “normal”. My abuser convinced me that everything going on in my home was normal, that everyone else outside our home were the one’s who weren’t normal. That what was happening was away to show “love.” Loyalty and affection. He convinced me it was unique, special, and made me superior. It is sick what these monsters can do to a child’s mind and beliefs. Her mother Jen MUST BE PROSECUTED!
Letting Jen Soto off the hook send a bad message to Mothers that they're not responsible for their children. The woman is just as sick , just as guilty, just as disturbed and offered her daughter up to the devil so she could have a man. Absolutely disgusting. The school counselor , the system and especially her mother failed her.
ARREST HER NOW!!!!
They got him now arrest the pathetic mother that handed this poor girl to the monster
Why the girlfriend didn’t call the police and said I have suspicions this guy is molesting this girl
Generly thats not my business.... that its so sad.
When I was a young girl age 6-11, I never told anyone about what was happening to me. Stepdad put great fear into me about bad things that would happen. Very common.
This happened to me as well! Same age and by my step dad..he threatened me with killing my mom and brother. I would go away for summer break to my grandmas in Mexico and it wasn’t until I was 10 that I told my family over there because I was in another country and felt safe. I couldn’t take it anymore. Have I told while I was in the same vicinity I think I would have been in danger just like Maddy. I think she was tired of the abuse and probably threatened to tell on him. 😢 I hate that there are monsters that do this to children. I hope that you continue to heal & live a wonderful life 🙏🏻✨
I'm so sry that happened to you sending love
@@mayramoreno7816 bless you. I’m glad you could escape the situation safely. Yes I have spent most of my life healing from this but I’m ok now. Maddie’s case is so close to our hearts. Much love. 🙏❤️✨
@@marieandrew3695 thank you. Blessings 🙏❤️✨
So sorry to hear that, I was assaulted when I was 5 and I didn't tell anyone for 30 years, hope you're doing well ❤️🩹
I’m a nurse and I’ve dealt with many deaths, and if he was able to move her body at that time and she was limp, then she hadn’t been deceased for very long at all. Rigor mortis kicks in pretty quickly, like within an hour or so.
Exactly what I have been thinking.
As a survivor, I want to make this clear! No child victim is going to come right out and say I am being abused. We give signs and hints for HELP and grown up's SHOULD be wise enough to inquire further. To care enough to inquire further, especially a COUNCILLOR! Maddie gave the red flags saying he makes her uncomfortable, he's weird. Why did that councillor not pull out more info?! The co-worker/ex-girlfriend dating the pedo, WHY did she not report what he told her. Nothing about what he told her is normal!!! EVERYONE failed this girl and I can tell you as a survivor, EVEN when they are told straight out, they choose to pretend it can't be true!! Wake up grown up's! Question children who say such concerning things. Take the time to care & believe what you are hearing, what your gut is telling you! 💔
Poor, poor Madeline, the horrors this poor child experienced at such a young age. Stern is beyond creepy, he”s revolting
He is a repulsive PEDO!!!!
Sounds like he groomed her into being in a gf type of role. Very possessive and controlling. I'm so very sad for this baby
I was going to say the same thing about grooming.
And he drugged her at night to live stream to his predator friends because they said she was asleep in a lot of the videos
@clairebrown4470 Yes, the fact he went on telegram that night makes me think he was distributing whatever it was on there. Maybe she refused him or said she was going to tell, and he lost it.
The mother needs to be accountable and charged for the murder and abuse of her child too 😡 RIP little girl
@@clairebrown4470YES! I was thinking this exact thing when I heard about this. She was taking “sleeping pills”? What 13 year old needs sleeping pills?? A very disturbed one! She may have been having nightmares and her “MOTHER” got her meds! I wonder if they were narcotics! I’m guessing if she was asleep during most of the videos I would think she would wake up and be scared to death to speak! 😢😢
You don’t get a 13yr old ready for bed. Mom knows more than is out.
Not always. My parents got me ready for bed at 13. I did my kids. Made sure they did everything they needed to do and make sure they got to bed on time. It doesn't mean following them around watching every minute. It just means staying on top of things.
Those were your PARENTS.This guy was her moms boyfriend. THATS the big difference. He had zero business cuddling with her to go to sleep etc. MOM is a pos. For allowing this. @MM-ik7cs
@@lizzie2323 Do you realize this thread is about helping kids getting ready for bed, not about the sleeping arrangements? I said nothing about where anyone sleeps!
That little girls heart SANK to find him there …alone. I know because I remember.
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It looks like the mother did that on purpose.
Mother doesn't love herself, didn't loved her daughter but she sure is trauma bonded to her daughter's "dad". Sick calling your on and off "boyfriend" your daughter's dad. He would only come back to her for her daughter, he didn't cared for the woman. He wanted access to that innocent child!!
And I think Jen KNEW that but was fine with it as long as she had Sterns back in the house, for WHATEVER reason. She really did trade her daughter for the monster's company.
Why wouldn’t “he creeps me out” not warrant further questioning? 🤔
Because that is not abuse nor criminal. Same with being weird and eating peoples food.
@ohbebe I would have probed more but that does not mean that is what everybody has to do as well. To be fair, I was not there in the room. We do not know Maddie's behavior. Her tone of voice, body language and exact words used as well as the whole conversation. Maybe things were said flippantly. We also do not know the whole context where these key points were brought out. We will never know because Maddie is not here to ask our questions to. As for me, I will wait until the trial for answers. If it comes out before in discovery, great, I'd love that.
JENN SOTO HAS TO BE CHARGED & ARRESTED A.S.A.P.
they won't because so many people are making up excuses for her!
ARREST HER NOW!!!!!
So freaking weird ….. you’re not dating the guy anymore yet you let him come over and sleep with your teen daughter ?
So weird ! Who does that ? If they were not dating he had no reason to be at their house.
This case is haunting me like no other. Oh how I wish the clocks could be turned back and Madeline saved. Heartbreaking what this monster did to her. Thanks for covering this case so well!
Same.
The fact that he told coworker something like that, proves to me that Jen knew because if he tells someone new, he is sure af telling Jen
If a student reports that a man is creepy and a counselor doesn't pick up on that and dig deeper, then that person should not be a counselor. I hope that counselor feels terrible for her own inability to do her job cuz she should!
I'm sure they do! They'll have guilt for the rest of their life.
Depending how many times she met with the counselor, she likely didn’t feel comfortable sharing her secret due to lack of rapport. School counselors aren’t trained in the same way that mental heals counselors are.
I hope all school counselors learn from this.
@@anabellys exactly - sounds like it was a standard school counselor check-in, not that the two of them had built any relationship for Madeline to divulge everything
School counselor did ask proceeding questions and Madeline wasn't divulging further.... name one teen or preteen that doesn't have some sort of complaint or criticism about their parents, step parents or a parent's GF/BF?
This poor child
Why does a 13 yr old need help getting ready for bed, or doesn't even know her own address? It seems at home mom and BF treated her like there was something wrong with her. I suspect Sterns began working on Jen early on to believe this also, so he could easily gain access to Maddie.
Madeleine’s cell phone should be a treasure trove of information.
YES. All their texts should be visible. I can't wait for him to get his due from the prison population of fathers, brothers, uncles, and grandfathers. His future is sealed with a new kind of party, with HIM as the 'playmate'!
This story is a soul stealer !! The mother needs to be arrested immediately !! There's no freaking way a mother sends her child to sleep with a boyfriend !! FREAKING SICKENING
This is because abusers scare you into saying NOTHING. I said nothing for the 4 years I was abused.....until I felt safe that he was gone.
She text with Sterns a whole lot and talked with him on the phone. That was voluntary. If anyone was scared of someone, and they are not around, you are glad and do not try to communicate with them. In the case of grooming, fear tactics are not needed. Groomers are the ones that build a relationship of trust. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. It is a misconception that fear tactics are necessary.
I understand. I'm sorry you had to endure abuse.
@@MM-ik7csvery true. Fear tactics are not necessary often times.
It was 50 years before I was said a word to anyone.
Yes!! And it starts from a young age, she was getting older and was realising she needed to say something and get away from him.
Between Casey, Anthony and Jennifer, Soto, the women in the Orlando area raising children are real questionable
Thats not the only place with mothers like that. It happens in every state, every city, throughout the country, throughout the world too.
Casey Anthony said she work for universal- doesn't Jenn supposedly work for Disney or is it universal? I'm so over theme parks due to weirdos around them. But that's been going on for decades of course.
@@lunarphoenixforyourfaceCasey lied about working at universal. She didn’t work and only wanted to party.
@@IH8YALLL I hear you, but I think that she did actually work there. Briefly, there's some picture of her wearing an ugly uniform at universal, like khakis or something. But she didn't work there at the time of Kaylee's death, no.
Poor Madeline - unless she had interactions with her friends' families, she may not have even KNOWN what is NORMAL behavior on the part of adults/families.
I was a single mom with 3 daughters and never ever had a boyfriend, I dedicated my life to my daughters. Now they are grown adults.
I hate it when he says "She was such a good girl".
Regarding Jennifer, I’m guessing that the elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top floor!
Agree.
Stern's doesn't either. theyre both child predators who know right from wrong.
I find the fact that her friend said the SS never brought her to school gives some indication as to her “mothers” involvement in her murder
Exactly what I thought.
SS said he'd taken her to school a few times. Another lie.
Absolutely! 💯
This is why you don't let your boyfriend move in with you when you have kids, especially a teenage daughter. I don't care how much you trust the guy. Not a smart or protective mom.
This is beyond the pale though to be fair. You obviously don't allow him to sleep in bed with your daughter.
I'm certain there are great stepfathers out there, and bio dad's that sexually abuse kids.
It was just so obviously inappropriate in this case. Shame on the mother no question.
She was 8 when he moved in or started staying there and began abusing her.
It’s sad how many single moms are desperate and put some guy before their children. Absolutely sickening.
Agreed
Considering 93% of children are s’ abused by someone they know … I agree 100%.
Jen was never his real girlfriend. Maddie was. Jen was just the person he had to appease to get to his prime interest. DP.
This is a huge red flag that she told them to sleep in the bed alone with a grown man. Children stop co sleeping with their parents at an early age. The fact that he made her feel uncomfortable was another huge red flag. What in the world was her mother thinking?!
This is sickening, how can a mother or should I say so called mother allow this! I’ve been single 8 years because I just don’t trust men around all three of my daughters!
Surprise! There are lots of mothers who do not prioritize their children's safety and many who directly abuse their kids. Being a "mother" doesn't automatically make a woman a good person. Many fathers are just as protective of their kids' safety as the best of mothers; it's not a gender thing!
Shame on this creeps ex-girlfriend who did not report what he said. Madeline could still be alive today. Insane.
Yes I agree, just points out what sort of women he was with
There’s really nothing to report there and it certainly wouldn’t have saved Madeline’s life if she had. He would’ve just said something like “Yeah I must’ve been having a sexual dream because I woke up and realized I had an erection and I rolled over on my side to make sure Madeline wouldn’t see it.” A guy waking up aroused isn’t anything the police or cps can or would do anything about. You have to look at things in the context at the time, not with the hindsight we all have now that everything has come out. All that was revealed to the other woman was that he woke up aroused and was scared Madeline would see that, which actually can be seen as him being protective and wanting to make sure she’s not sexualized. Nothing would’ve been done about it had it been reported.
I would have sped to the police dept so fast with that info. She could still be alive and that is another heartbreak that no one stepped up.
@trickortrump3292 After that happened, he shouldn't have ever slept in the bed with her again.
@@SweetCravingPrincess What info?? That the man woke up with a boner?? The police would laugh in your face.
He spoke about Madeline in the past tense. She 'was' happy. She 'was' a good girl, etc. Over and over.
It's always the boyfriend. Put your kids first and worry about your love life later.
I wish someone could have helped Madeline. I wish I could have been there for her. RIP Madeleine.
In light of this, how could Jenn not know? Your former, 30 something year old boyfriend just comes over to your house to hang out with your young daughter? In what world does that make sense?
In a platonic one where you dont think there like that ...its not so hard to comprehend
@@supme7558seriously? You’re watching a video on how this little girl was abused and murdered and you think we are wrong for “thinking like that” This monster is the exact reason why WE ALL should “think like that”
Yeah there's literally no valid reason a 30+ year old needs to be hanging out with a teenager. They have no business with them whatsoever.
Abnormal behaviour from somebody with alterior motives.
@supme7558 no. Nope. Naw. He'll no. There is no reason a ex boyfriend to be spending one on one time with a child. To think so is naive at best and dangerous at worst.
He didn't go over just to hang out with Madeline. I think he told the woman that he was dating that he goes over to sleep with Madeline, not her mother..
Pure evil !
SS told the lady he dated about sleeping with Madeline to gauge her reaction. The possible reasons why are horrifying.
My thoughts exactly.
I agree. I wonder if that GF had a young daughter. Perhaps poor Madeline was getting "too old" for him.
'He loved her like she was his own" DISGUSTING.
He doesn’t even have his own kids. So how the hell would he know what that is like?!
His own what?…his own sexual plaything.
Because he literally thinks she belongs to him.
I want to know what the Counselor did with the information that Mom’s boyfriend “makes me feel uncomfortable”??! IMO, they needed to have Jen in their office, immediately.
The woman he told this stuff to, should feel very guilty for not coming to the police about it.
That tells me when young kids use the word “wierd” means more to it ! Try peel the onion once they say WIERD
that doesn't go to every person, nor every child. Every child has their own way of speaking and what they mean. Depending on what they learn growing up, what makes them comfortable, etc. Please don't place all children in one scope..all children are different. the word weird alone doesnt mean that all children should be checked out if they say that word . There might be other words that other children use .
@@joelsommer5765 yes like I said PEEL the onion 🧅 it might not be anything !
Peel the onion??
I honedtly think they sre bullding a case against Jenn. She needs to be held accountable for HER DAUGHTER
I think many believe that. I wonder if they are trying to keep her "onside" through his first trial on the CP. They don't need her as a witness necessarily but keeping her off guard and complacent might help? Also, once he is convicted maybe it helps them solidify her charges and ensures HER conviction? I'm super curious about the strategy. I can't imagine they think she was unaware and/or not complicit in her death. The public won't trust them if they don't
I hope you are correct. I feel the same way. She's been off the radar for the most part. They're letting her feel safe enough to slip up.
@@Utoobeh4tesfreespeechAgreed, they don’t need Jenn to prosecute SS. My theory is there are more perpetrators and victims in this case. When you see one cockroach, you have an infestation.
I don't think so because so many people are making up excuses for her
ARREST HER NOW!!!!
If a child goes to a counselor it takes Alot. Any and all concerns should be addressed.
Madeline had ADHD. Very common.
It didn't sound like Madeline sought out going to the counselor for help - just that the counselor met with her per a scheduled basis as counselors are meant to speak with each child in the school, especially with ADHD or when there's issues with grades
I don't know how some people didn't see these red flags?
It should have been A DONE DEAL for that egregious vile predator the minute Madeline stated, "HE MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE"!!!! WTAF!????😢
I'm shocked at the amount of people in maddie's life that just ignored the weird relationship and red flags overall. Including that "friend" of the creep. The mother the main one. There's no way she didn't know
I think it has been said that Jennifer's mother didn't like SS. I think most of Jennifer's family didn't like SS.
I have a feeling that Jen actually really his this strange dynamic from her family. I think that is why she used the term “WE dropped her off” because her mother and family would have questioned why the hell he was dropping her off. They are Hispanic and we typically don’t even let our children stay the night away from home or around strangers. Grandparents are usually very involved and even more likely to be strict with rules. I do find it odd the grandfather knew Sterns lived there and would be in the room with them for long periods of time… very unusual but that grandmother and the aunt seemed to sense something was off right away. I think Jen was covering the situation up from them hoping Madi would show back up and she wouldn’t have to admit he took her to school that day.
This world is so far gone man, I swear.
She offered her daughter on a platter to the monster. Unreal...😢
What a dummy ! I don’t even want my kids sleeping in the same room as me. And my boys have a camera in their room.
It’s really as bad as it’s always been we just have more eyes on things now with all of our modern media. Sad as hell though
How does no one mention this poor child’s panda eyes in every single photo??
Exactly
I saw that but for example my little ones have this condition from their dad that have very dark tone under the eyes... So I thought maybe she has it too. But yes it could also be a sign of not sleeping or crying a lot.
@@sunshinelife2064 Panda eyes indicates sodomy.
That 'look' Sters gave in the backseat of the squad car sent chills down my spine....
I noticed that look .
I don’t believe ONE WORD this mother has said. Not one.
Exactly!!!! Not 1 word!
The mother seems brain dead. It's obvious he wasn't coming to the house to sleep with Jennifer.
the mom knew! she's not brain dead....the people who believe her act are insane
MS not telling anyone is a classic sign of being threatened by SS. I also was abused as a child by my sibling. I finally told my mom when I was in my 50s and her reaction is why I never told. She didn't believe me due to he was her golden boy. Arg.
SS told the coworker he was dating about sleeping next to MS bc he was testing her tolerance for sexual deviance.
Yeah right
@@supme7558do you have a better explanation? I’ve experienced this from men on dating apps (years ago now). They’ll tease out some info about their sexual preferences to see whether you’re someone who shares them or is intolerant of them. Most guys just want to know if a woman will be in a threesome with them or talk dirty but some have far darker interests.
Exactly
Looking for a like mind.
NOOOOO - it's not what the creep is thinking - WHAT THE HELL IS JEN THINKING to continue the relationship with him and still allow her to sleep with her child.
The fact she mentioned anything about SS to the counselor was a plea for help! That counselor failed her by not making her feel safe and asking more detailed questions!
I never told about a teacher until I graduated and had kids of my own. I'm 64...my parents died without knowing.....
I'm sorry 💔
I'm sry you went through that
So sorry you have to endure that alone. 😢
I’m so sorry 💔 you didn’t deserve that
If I was that co worker, I’d have reported that. I’ve reported less!!
why would she tell? her own mother sent her to sleep in the same room with him 🤢 parents are to protect their children and she does NOT seem like the type of mother that would believe or protect her child. she was FAILED in so many ways! all of those signs are clear signs that something is really wrong with that dynamic, and a reasonable person wouldn't have allowed the things her mother allowed, smdh
She would believe her. She just wouldn't do anything about it.
Madeline’s Mom should be charged exactly the same as the POS she allowed to be around her child!