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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2019
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Grey and Brady discuss: Dinosaurs Attack! follow-up, Panini Cheapskates, Polymath University, YTWTBTVC: Premieres, and It's Always Christmas at Hello Internet.
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Recorded two weeks ago.
*Discuss this episode on the reddit: / *
H.I. #118 RUclips edition: Dinosaurs Attack!: • HI #118: Dinosaurs Att...
Bob Heffner's Dinosaurs Attack Page - please form a queue and only visit one listener at a time.: www.bobheffner.com/dinosaursa...
LOTS OF MONEY OR NOT LOTS OF MONEY!? 1993 The Black Lotus Edition: • The Black Lotus | A Hi...
Panini Cheapskates: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...
Calculator Unboxing: • Calculator Unboxing #1...
Discussion: / cgpgrey
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1:21:15 "notice me senpai" -CGP Gray
Brady nods along pretending he understood.
*WHAT?!!*
Grey*
@SZYMON KULIK I think you mean "Nandato"
Brady is rigging the Dinosaurs Attack market. He's inflating the price at the same time by destroying unopened packs and potentially launching the remaining packs into orbit. He is the greatest economic mind of our time.
40:28 "wishy washy around the campfire kumbaya degree" lol
And so it ends. After two years of listening, I have finally gone through every episode. I am caught up.
Thank you for everything.
What now?
@@endrankluvsda4loko172 I'll keep watching HI when it comes out, but now I'm catching up on Cortex. Episode 20 so far!
4:19 burger barn was in one of grey’s voting videos
It actually made me sad that the cards didn’t appear in this episode
“Notice me senpai.” -CGP Grey
I had a totally irrational state of disappointment yesterday when I saw the episode was mid-premiere, despite not being inconvenienced in any way by it.
The only thing I can definitely say irks me, is the branding 'Premiere' - Grey nailed it, they want to be TV. But TV has no respect for my schedule. "If you want to watch X, then you better be here at Y o'clock, buddy!"
Again, this is obviously not analogous, and we are freely able to watch this whenever we like. It's just the branding RUclips is going for seems to be counter to the exact reason I watch RUclips a lot more than broadcast TV
It’s not live guys, it’s just being broadcast on RUclips as a live watch
Edit: I’m no criticizing, I love Grey and through this podcast have come to love Brady, just pointing out to others that it’s not being recorded live. It’s a new RUclips ‘feature’ I hope the duo talk about x
ty
well you get the feeling of exclusivity and thats what counts
So it's just like a normal video except it starts part the way through if you aren't early enough and you can't rewind it?
Defenestrated Window you can rewind, but you can’t fast forward. Like live TV, and as Grey days, RUclips’s trying to be TV
At the hour mark! :)
My experience of premiers is my feed getting populated by videos I can't watch. Incidentally, I go to youtube to see videos that I can watch.
You could almost do the meme with 2 Spiderman costumes. You just need a 3rd and then point finger guns at each other. Best part is that there would be no face spoilers for Grey.
I get irritated when I see the premier filling up space in my subscriptions page. Worse is that the video is pushed down the page and by the time it's released I need to remember that I didn't watch it and scroll down to the day it was announced.
Same here. Well, sort of; I use an RSS feed to get my RUclips vids fed to me and by the time it's gone live it will be marked read and gone if I don't make the effort to leave it unread at the top of the list, clogging things up. And since I'm just auto-playing that list on my TV it doesn't even warn me that a video was skipped so I usually just miss them entirely. It's silly that they get fed into the RSS before they are live, that's just weird.
I feel like we have hit some sort of grey point in greys statistics to deserve so many episodes
I'll be sure to cross off Dinosaurs Attack! on Media Inexplicably Compared to The Wire on Grey Podcasts Bingo.
Here's a solution to the live chat problem: have multiple chat rooms. If you get a number of concurrent users in the chat above a certain threshold, start putting new users into a new chat room. You can keep repeating this as more and more people join, and you can merge chat rooms as people leave. I think that would be way better than deleting people's comments at random.
I love how you talks about that new degree. I read the article and found it really interesting. I think we need more well rounded people who are also very good at a specific subject. That's what would make them very employable. When I was reading the article, the aim seemed to be a lot more about what businesses want and not necessarily very high skilled domains.
I liked the creator could toss comments, like special interacted moments, and they can take the temperature later for reactions. But those watching in real time get that extra interaction from the creator about that creation. Lots love that aspect.
About chat box issue, I remembered someone working on it & i thought it is unique idea.
it's a "Brute Mind" chat box.
1) Brady asked the audiences "can you hear me?"
2) let's say 65% yes, 30% no & 5% asking for plane crash corner within 30secs (example)
3) Among the comments, the filter found "yes", "I","can" dominate the most.
4) Select 1 comment that contain least words & obviously words of "yes","I","can"
5) On the "Brute Mind" chat box, after 30secs Brady asked the question, 1 comment appears -> "Yes I can."
*) Of course, after the 1st comment is selected, the 65% comments will be deleted & next largest group will be selected. Rinse & repeat until may be CGPgrey decided
It would need to have a built-in thesaurus to group together like concepts for the analysis like "yes", "yeah", "yup" or "too quiet", "too weak", "not loud enough", etc. And ideally it would give the top three gestalts with percentages attached so you can judge how much agreement there is and what the strength of other opinions are. It would act sort of like a live open-ended polling system showing the gestalt of the conversation in a floating time window. That would be a very useful tool for any large chat room to make them more digestible for everyone involved, like big twitch streams (the specific use case that comes to mind for me is the annual madness of the Desert Bus Chat).
I love this idea. I have a feeling something like this will become essential in live online spaces soon.
15:00 if you rip it open it will have a red bar in the cardstock
Something Grey didn't mention with his random comment allowance as a method of rate limiting is that it makes the quality of the conversation much worse; people can no longer be guaranteed a chance to use their message to respond to somebody else, or for a reply to their reply. Questions wouldn't work, and people wouldn't be able to help each other.
One of the best things about these chats is that the quick eyed people can and will reply to people who ask questions; but there wouldn't be as much incentive to do so when your message might simply get devoured by the RNG.
Battle tested, hard as nails.
i am living for these releases!!
THIS IS ADDITIONAL CONFUSIUON
I have no strong feelings one way or the other about premiers
The thing I hate about Premiere is that RUclips is all about me watching at my time preference so having a set schedule is abrasive.
Guess what: you don’t have to watch it during the premiere: you can still watch it
The only benefit I see to premiere is that it can help avoid "spoilers" by making it so people can't skip ahead
I realize this came out a very long time ago but with some channels specifically Oversimplified I’ll just wait until both of their premieres are over so I can watch it all at once so I think it kind of ruins the purpose but with some thing like a Nintendo direct it’s very good
Sounds like you lads need to reach out to BLUNT umbrellas for a sponsor. You can put a Tile on those things and you won't lose them.
Something that could be interesting is if you could see a list of all videos on RUclips about to premier in x minutes or x hours
Re Live chat: Has any system ever tried to limit the pace by giving each user a limited number of "guaranteed" comments per full premier screening? I could imagine getting say 5 comments that I know would for sure appear in chat, with any additional room for chat being populated by randomly selecting from all other chats. A user would need 2 different send buttons: One "comment" button throws your comment into the lottery, a second button uses up one of you "garenteed" comments.
I'm not sure if Grey doesn't understand the issues with Premiere or if he's trying to sweep them under a rug. I dislike it because youtube isn't something I want to tune in to at a specific time, it's what made me stop watching traditional tv. I want to go on and watch a vod whenever I want to or have the time to, hence the term video on demand.
If the premieres had their own page with upcoming whatevers on them, it'd be fine, but I don't want to find them in my subscriptions list before the vods are available.
I watch twitch streams if I want some live content, but it's less of a full video, but more a live interactive experience, which is totally different from watching a vod together while chatting about it. Not saying that's a bad thing or anything, but it's not for me, and I really don't want the premieres mingling with my subscriptions. I understand youtube totally disagrees with me, with them pushing notifications and premieres, but I'll reserve the right to ignore those features.
????? You can literally just watch them whenever you want still
(IANAL) There is a thing called trademark fair use, which is analogous to copyright fair use.
@Hello Internet
You didn't put "A nice steak' as a sponsor in the description.
Just for my two cents I frequently click on the super chat bubbles 1:20:20
about the Chat conversation: their is also the option of having multible chatrooms.
Here's the reason why RUclips Premieres are bad, if I look at my subscriptions or notifications, I click on the premiere and when it finally airs, I feel like I've already seen the video since I remember the thumbnail
I use superchat to contribute, it makes it easier and the creators DO try to shout to those folks. But yes, the live chat is impossible to track!
Battle Tested Doctor Brady Harron
Still listening in 2022 for the 3rd or 4th time
Trilobite with a South Australian accent
The soccer story involved many recurrent themes: Relevant news, trademark/copyright dispute, sportsball and trading cards.
Edit. Also, I am utterly interested in the HI collectible cards
The thing I have against premiere is it forces me to wait until I can watch the video from the start. I don't use twitch because I like watching things from start to end, the videos on youtube are gonna be around to watch whenever I want. They fit to my schedule, I don't fit to theirs.
The reason I hate premiers is because I can't listen to the show on 2x if I show up on time. I like the concept of a count down to a video releasing, but the show becomes unwatchable at regular speed. I guess I can just wait or use a podcast app, but I like RUclips more.
My only problem with premieres is that if you only watch some of the premiere, youtube will forget where you were when you come back and watch later
I feel like the only way the Premier function would work would be to have the ability to add a trailer to it. That way the actual video can get some hype built behind it. If they keep Premiere as is, it will fail miserably.
I don't want a notification until I can click the notification and watch the video.
What if you had a random system like Grey said but the more comments ready the shorter the wait time?
I'm betting comments are going to explode at a certain point in this video...
Hey a comment on rate limiting or a suggestion of a system. Chat instancing, sort everyone into random chats and then give the creater the ability to switch between and maybe have their default tab be your idea of a lottery. Maybe as a link to the originating tab so you can see context
Edit: oh this is months old my bad
To rate limit comments, one could have a realtime chat and apply the lottery filtering solution Grey mentioned, but keep the real chat intact for the users and only affect the chat that is displayed to the streamer. That would be more ok in my book.
What you could then also do is have some sort of algorithm to try pick out the most relevant topics mentioned, basically compressing a buncha comments down into one.
"hello, is this thing working?" lmao
I bell'd so I can try to catch the next one live
To solve the comment issue on the live premier you could use a sort of reddit "hot" system. Where the system will balance the ranking of comments(threads) by time and popularity(Comments, upvotes ect.). In this system the creator could have a slider where they can choose the balance between time and popularity. For example a gaming premierer(Idk what to call it) could have the threads be more time based. And a informational premierer(again:( ) who would be trying to start intellectual conversations could make it more popularity based. Also the premierer(ugh) could personaly move comments around based on preference. In the comments or main threads there could be replies or subthreads based on the same system and on and on until the you have conversations on the tinest little details. This system would solve the issue of comment overflow and would start intellectual( or not) conversations in chat. Also the premier would retain the little reddit you created as a section of comments so people can still be having fun conversations far after the premier is over. I Hope Grey or Brady will see this. Bye.
Why not use rooms with the live chats?
Everyone gets one free comment, after that you have to pay, and you have to pay more each time you want to make a new comment. That way everyone gets a say, while also limiting the ammount of messages in the chat. Downside is that very rich people get to speak more, but if you increase the cost exponential that will be a small downside to pay.
i am ok with this premiers as long as it gets released simultanously on my podcast feed, i dont want to listen to hellointernet on youtube on my PC, the way it is now is stupid :/
The chat problem could be solved by having multiple rooms
check out Scotty from strange parts he got screwed by youtube premiere. If your looking for the penalty for premiering something
COMMENT POLL: Do you feel like you want to see a live broadcast mess up out of "arsonists delight"?
No, not even slightly. Grey u r evil. ;)
This is for My friend
1:10:24
1:22:00
London's got a lot of very rich people. The University sounded like it had a low intake. The students are staying together for the first year.
It's a general degree for the next generation of elite. :/
meanwhile i am studding mechanical and electrical engineering so its "hard" with more "hard".
I just ate some doritos and got a belly ache. Good podcast, guys! Keep it up!
Did Grey just say "Notice me senpai."
i thought it was going to be talking about pewdiepie vs T series
Shard the chats, so after 200 people another chat is made for the next 200
yeah, the chat distracts me from the podcast.
Is this thing live?
ooh! youtube-premiering the H.I. episodes sounds fun, although i didn't know the previous two episodes had been. maybe you'll keeping doing it..? 🤞
Jay No.
@@Pigggles ah, a valid point
#battletested
I hate the premiere just because I know the video is done, yet I couldn't skip forward. For example, I have terrible anxiety about flying, so I always skip over plane crash corner. I don't have the luxury to do things like that during the premiere which can be annoying.
I'm not a fan of the live streams if there are over 40 people watching since it's all about the live comments for me. If there's a small number of people watching, you can chat with them and get to know them and interact with the uploader and it's like a community. If you go to some live video where there's several people watching, everyone just talks but no one actually interacts with one another. No one replies to anyone else and the person making the video can't reply to ever comment and usually doesn't reply to any comment unless it's that automated comment made when someone gives money to the live streamer.
There's a channel called Let's Play with Brigands where the channel owner will play a game live about once a month. He, and the comment community, will turn the game into a drinking game so we're all at our computers with our choice of spicy beverage and it's always tons of fun and the chat is engaged and even though there's never more than 20 people watching the live stream, it's always a lot of fun. It's definitely the best part of youtube that I know of. It would be really cool if Brady or Grey ever did something similar. I couldn't imagine them ever making their videos into a live drinking game and perhaps their too big to have a live chat where there's that magic number where it's a crowd but one small enough where it's not just people shouting into a void that's deaf?
And the super chat option completely sucks. The idea that a person has to pay to say something seems deeply wrong, even if it's in a place where more people wanna talk than wanna listen. Letting the few of the many that wanna talk based on the money they can spend seems like a terrible solution. Really, if so many actual people (not bots or trolls) wanna participate in a live chat, my solution would be for the content creator to give priorities to people in the chat based on their relationship with them. So if Grey wants to have a live video and 1,000 people wanna join, he (or a moderator he give authority to) can prioritize commenters based on how they want to. So when a person joins, the moderator assigns "high priority, intermediate priority, low priority, and noob" (or whatever terminology desired that won't be offensive and is most marketable) to each person joining. Some can have automatic priorities so they don't have to be assigned manually each time. So in that live chat, Grey's friends or subs that post great comments and have been there many times before and are insightful but don't spam might be given the high priority so all their comments are shown immediately. All will be automatically assigned the lowest level when joining for convince or the moderators but can be upgraded. The level a person is at determines the amount of time required between their comments. They can be told in a pinned post how to be upgraded based on creator desires for commenters. That might be a way for people that have tons of live viewers to have a good chat. As of now, I have no desire to watch any live video with more than 40 watchers cause making comments during those videos is pointless. This might help.
Why not make a live show ?
7:00
I think you're missing the point of watching things live. You're not "watching". You're participating. You can talk to the person, and they talk to you back. For me, at least this is only interesting with smaller channels. When it gets too big with too many viewers, it's just screaming into the void.
i think it's annoying that now this is on youtube before it's in the podcast feed
Hello Internet Crack-a-Pack!
first 1500!
lol
Live podcasting??
Luciole ! It’s not live. Pre recorded
Lol nope, that way we would discover that Grey is an actual robot and Brady is an unironic caveman.
The day I have to pay to comment is the day I stop listening to this podcast. Very very sad to hear someone I admire be okay with that.
Joseph Carrasco he’s not saying you should pay to comment, he’s saying superchat should stay onscreen longer
i do like premiers lol
Your comments about STEM degrees and ‘all-rounders’ are ridiculous.
Care to explain why?
Still milking dinosaurs attack... :( Boring...
They're not really milking it, it's just their usual follow-up to the big Dinosaurs Attack! episode. It's also not really boring either, and I thoroughly enjoyed this "saga". Each to his own, I guess.
I have no strong feelings one way or the other about premiers