Jeffrey Toobin: Patty Hearst Wasn’t Brainwashed | CONAN on TBS
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- Jeffrey draws a connection between Patty joining the SLA and kids being radicalized by ISIS.
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Jeffrey Toobin: Patty Hearst Wasn’t Brainwashed | CONAN on TBS
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Patty Hearst was kidnapped and ''thrown in a closet ... the size of a closet.'' Anybody see Drunk History's take on the Hearst kidnapping (it's on Comedy Central).
Tasha Komaroff brought me here
That's actually where I came from. I got curious and was looking for interviews. Too funny.
Tasha Komaroff
Okay yes I Agree
Never forget Toobin Toobin’d his tube on a Skype call with his coworkers.. what a peeerrv lol
Jeffrey Toobin just said Zoom brainwashed him.
Thank you
At least Toobin kept his pants on for this interview.
Blah-blah. He wasn't there, he isn't inside her head, he's just flapping those flabby gums.
Yes. No one was inside her head. She was a 19 year old kid, just kidnapped, struggling to stay alive. Maybe she DID conform to their views -- it was that kind of era -- but maybe she was trying to live. No examination of the material will ever bring anyone inside her mind.
HE BEAT HIS MEAT LIVE ON ZOOM, LMAO.
Jeffrey Toobin is trying to sell a book. He is profiting from her story. When she got out and got de- programmed, she married, had children and lived a "normal" life, which is testament to her character more than anything else. Before she was kidnapped, she was never radical and lived mostly a "normal" life, too. I believe she had Stockholm syndrome from the extreme stress she underwent in her initial days w/ the SLA.
This seems to have reappeared in the algorithm after Toobin was in the news for ... other reasons ... and all I can say is, this show should be ashamed of yourselves for giving this man a platform to profit off someone else's trauma.
Jeffy got caught playing his little instrument, but wasn't at Zoom band practice.
Funny how Patty Hearst....WHO actually went through all these experiences....might possibly have a whole different concept of those situations rather than some guy who is "guesstimating" and at best just throwing out his own interpretations and opinions. This clown is all about stirring the pot and somehow collecting a paycheck as well.....great job if you can get it.
+The Stuport +Stoney Curtis +Cosmonauteable thats it kids drink the koolaid, you 3 know whats *really* going on....
LOL....I've got my Tin Foil Hat on so the "koolaid" won't bother my system at all.....Cheers Slick
Agree with The Stuport. He isn't her, he wasn't even there, he's never even met her. And he doesn't have a book if he concurs that she was brainwashed, so he has quite an axe to grind...
Conan needs to call a cleaning service to clean the chair and everything Jeffrey has touched.
I cant wait for Toobins new cookbook TOOBIN'S SPECIAL SAUCE.
It's full of suspicious white liquid.
😂
Read Patty’s book, it explains everything. She had to convince her captors that she was with them, otherwise if they had even a small feeling that she was lying to them, they would’ve killed her.
But she had occasions to escape sometimes. And you can't forge your opinions about her based on what she wrote.
@@yogue3108 True. But nor can anyone develop an authentic opinion based on what we think we might have done under those horrible circumstances, and at that age. I'm about her age and was in the Bay Area then. If I had endured what she did, I have no idea what I'd have done -- what a horrible trauma!
Ha ha HA
To be honest, if I was in Patty Hearst's situation and I was locked up in a closet for weeks at a time. And then indoctrinated, the way she was, the way she was gang raped for revolutionary sex, for months at a time- by the SLA, who are known to kill using cyanide bullets, I would comply the way she did. She literally had no choice. All these people criticizing her cannot even understand or feel a part of what she felt during all of this. She went forced to go through revolutionary hell, and cannot get off the train.
The truth likely is somewhere in the middle. My opinion, after watching a few documentaries on this, reading Patty's book, listening to her captors side of it, even listening to her ex fiancé's side of it, is there is some truth in all that has been said, with lots of embellishments sprinkled in.
She was young, rich, and privileged. She was kidnapped and just trying to survive. It was the '70's in the middle of mass insanity(not much different than today) and got radicalized. She likely knowingly committed crimes. After the fire that killed 5 SLA members, she likely was scared of the police and the F.B.I. more than she was of betraying the surviving SLA members. I think it was the right combination of youth, background, equal amounts of fear of those who captured her, and fear of those who were working with her family to rescue her, that turned it into this mess that it became. She is a victim, and she is at fault, and she was traumatized.
The more you learn about the SLA, the more you learn they weren't sophisticated at all. They sort of bumbled through. The FBI bumbled through. The SF police department bumbled through. The LAPD just pretty much destroyed what they could. Just the ultimate hot mess, there is really no other way to put it. Who to believe, who not to believe??? I guess it's whatever agenda you buy into. I listen to it all and make the best conclusions I can, but this is a special hot mess.
If anyone wants the answers to the big mysteries I recommend reading the book by Patty Hearst herself, "Patty Hearst her own story." I was appalled to see that Toobin interviewed her criminal kidnapper and abuser for the sake of his book. He glorified a lunatic and romanticized the victimization of a young girl. Now that I see who Toobin is I am not so surprised, I've seen him sink low many times. She was treated so inhumanely she's lucky she even survived. She had a will to live and surviving was all that was on her mind then. She has told her story and it's disgusting that Toobin would try to rewrite it. He has no moral obligation to anyone, just him and the dollar.
Sick in his head
she wasn't *brainwashed*
she had *Stockholm Syndrome*
I think when some of us are very sheltered and end up in scarey, what we believe to be life threatening situations, we will betray ourselves to stay alive. Part of that was Patty convincing her kidnappers that she agreed with them on everything. Stockholm syndrom is where you actually do. It takes a very fragile very broken mind and I don't buy that this was her. They had her convinced only that she would never be found or rescued which imho supports her choosing to be so submissive. I am not saying she wasn't raped but simply she felt like it was an environment in which it didnt even feel safe to voice her own thoughts let alone have thoughts of her own.
Elizabeth Smart is another example. If you see Dave Chappelle skit on her vs the 7 year old who was kidnapped the same time. Smart was 15... Left alone & could have walked out the front door at anytime. Only 7 miles from home for 6 months. She had no street smarts. She was from a wealth family (Hearst). Being closeted will do that to you.
However that 7 year old wasn't broken yet. She still had a child's view on right & wrong & knew to run when you're scared. She didn't understand the finality of death. She wanted to go home. It was much more simple to her due to her age. She chewed through the ropes & was home that night. End story. It never made the news because we glorify these victims who have more complex cases when instead they should be sent somewhere to get help professionally & the "smart ones" no pun intended should be given the attention so anyone else knows what to do. We have it so backwards & that actually helps perpetuate the victim culture.
stockholm syndrome is a type of indirect brainwashing though when you think about it. Psychological trauma that forces somebody to build connections with their captors and empathize with them? Same ballpark.
Stockholm syndrome is just media buzzed thing. it's not real, you don't just easily get brainwashed unless you yourself has been believing into the same thing as your kidnapper. it's complicated.
@admin sucks
That's bullshit... To brianwash someone is very easy if you're willed to rape and torture a person over a longer time..
And yes, Stockholm Syndrom has been made into a pop cultural bullshit buzzword, but there are studies about it and in 8% of als abductions people got positive feelings for their abductors.
The question is why any individual felt like that and I'm sure the definition of what's meant with Stockholm. Syndrom won't fit on more than the half of them..
Anyways.. It's a live threatening situation and that over days, weeks, months.. There will come a point where you do anything they want, just in the hope to stay alive and that they won't hurt you anymore or not more than they still do..
I had to read ur book "the nine" for my AP gov class and it ruined my summer I don't appreciate how long it was
School sucks!
ahh yess... what we need... yet another man telling a woman that what she experienced wasn't actually true....
Still sounded like brainwashing to me lol
'Brainwashing' really doesn't exist outside of perhaps a trip to the CIA.
Hypnotism does exist, but the subject has to be willing.
Stolkhome isnt brainwashing exactly it's a potential psychological reaction to abduction. It's very easy to induce. Isolation combined with kindness when they take you out of isolation with a couple other things in the mix. It's a type of conditioning but not brainwashing exactly.
Bunch of Bullshit -- would she have done any of this if she hadn't been kidnapped and brutalized by a government informant Donald DeFreeze? Toobin is a fool or a government shill himself, or both.
I'm not young and impressionable, yet I feel rationalized by Conan.
As Dostoyevsky wrote: It's like a stick with two ends.
Patty's daughter married Chris Hardwick
And....?
I read Toobin’s book. It was very well annotated and well written. I believe Hearst was a willing participant, but wouldn’t have been had she not have been kidnapped. She was considerably younger than the rest of those scumbags.
Read " Revolution's End " by Schreiber
She had a sexual relationship with Defreese while he was still in jail
She was actually conspiring with Defreese to kidnap her sisters
@@paulsansonetti7410 Is Revolution's End a good book in your opinion? This bitch went down on some of the charges and, as you know, received both commutation of sentence and a full on pardon. But I believe she was, and maybe is, morally insane.
@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj look at the recommendations , David Talbot,Peter Dale Scott ,two highly credible authors imo
I'd argue it is
I wouldn't even say she was insane
Personally I think the US deep state has committed a trillion times more evil imo
I would imagine when you grow up as rich as she did and you are very young ( still highly idealistic typically)
It creates a tension,unease
Most jihadis world wide come from the upper class and the young
I think personally their energy was completely misdirected, largely because they were CIA controlled on some level, but I don't argue with their politics mostly
The atrocities of the US empire completely" spill the banks " imo
To me the two big sides on Patty Hearst are the informed people that know a lot of the CIAs fuckery previous to this and believe Schreiber's narrative is completely believable and a bunch of naive boomers mostly right wingers that want to excuse her largely because she was a girl , plus she gets a free pass for being rich when many poor kids would never receive an ounce of their sympathy despite many of them being brainwashed their entire childhood
@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj presuming you are interested, you should be able to find it free at Anna's Archive as an ebook
@@JaimeGarcia-pe7bj look at how lightly " the weather underground " were treated
" Days of Rage " tells an incredible story
Although I've heard others argue that the " thousands of explosions "
were mostly firecrackers in post offices
Surprised Jeffrey didn’t whip it out like he did on that zoom call
Love how people dedicate there life to writing ✍ books and spreading gossip on others
the Hearst Family being middle class. thats funny Conan
Jeffery too in was 14 yr old when the Patty Hurst trial began
drunk history Comedy Central brought me here
Conan being serious is always fun :)
Tobin's hand kidnapped his pen15!.
Glad to see most these comment's are dunking on Toobin and standing up for PH
Fun fact: Chris Hardwick from Nerdist/ Talking Dead just married Lydia Hearst, Patty Hearst's daughter.
Patty Hearst was kidnapped and kept in a closet for 2 weeks. She was told she could be killed at any time. First Willie Wolfe (Cujo), then Donald DeFreeze (Cinque), raped her in that closet. I agree with PH: "It's insulting to anyone who has ever been raped to suggest a rape could turn into a seduction and a romance." In romance novels, women fall in love with their rapists. In real life, they become so terrified they can no longer think straight. This reminds me of Ariel Castro's shocking claims, "I just held them there without their being able to leave. I wasn't forceful on them. Most of the sex was consensual. There was a lot of harmony in that house. Sometimes they would even ask me for sex, many times." I don't believe Castro and I don't believe this guy.
A lot of his book seemed to be based on one of her kidnapper’s version (Bill Harris). He seems to paint Harris as very sympathetic and having good intentions.
she didn't fake her kidnapping. She was locked in a closet for 2 months, raped, and mentally abused. She was 19 years old. as Patty said "everyone likes to think oh this couldn't happen to me I'm too strong. Easy for them to say bc they weren't kidnapped and locked in a closet". The Movie "Patty Hearst" implies she was given an abortion when she was caught. Very likely and I doubt she wanted to be impregnated by "cinque". She went through more than any 19 year old should.
Who is he to say what happened in someone else’s life?? Talk about your life buddy not your opinions about someone else’s. How dare he speak for her. I’d like to write a book about this guys most painful moments and cash in on his trauma.
can i get tickets to your show sir. its been a dream
They free
plane tickets too?
+onjoFilms that be great!
+Cordell Canfield really? you sure!?!?
his show has always been free which makes getting tickets that much harder
am I the only one that sees Tina fey in the thumb nail?
Fascinating clip, great stuff Team Coco
RIP Toobin.... that's probably coming next
Don't choke your chicken JT
This Man isn't right in the Head.. Eh.. he's creepy.. why would he argue against a teenaged Girl
That's alot of words without actually making a point; Alot of presumptions without actual supporting evidence. I really wanted to hear about PH's personal behavior which supported this dude's claim. I mean, who wants to actually speak to anyone who has a history demonizing his subjects of his books? Too bad. For real.
Close your eyes for one second.....IMAGINE IF THIS PERSON WAS NOT HEARST.....BUT A BLACK POOR MAN!! ..HONESTLY, WHERE WOULD HE BE TODAY???
We can all make fun of Toobin over the Zoom incident. Which is fine. But he's right about Patty Hearst. And he correctly identified the SLA as "radical terrorists," because they were.
Was he brainwashed on zoom 😳
if you're brainwashed, it is forever. She is not. I think she just ..... young.
Will Trump start calling Jeffery Toobin little Jeff?
Kidnapped my ass! She left on her own free will.
How quickly we forget how foolish and childish we really were at 19. Except for a few people like Toobin.
There is being foolish, and then there is felony murder.
If you learn about the full extant of what happened it clear she wasn't a victim in anyway aside from the initial napping
we are brainwashed every day by Coke and Mc Donalds.
When will we have another jibber jabber?
Rub-A-Dub
She was with a guy that she was unhappy with,
her mom didn like him either. So whats the problem? Anyone forceing her
to do anything? i think she is just crazy
keep featherin' it brother
I will if you touch my camera through the fence
Not brainwashed. Proceeds to describe brainwashing.
Patty Hearst also fell in love in with the SLA leader Cinque'....I leave that right there...
She supposedly fell in love with ''Cujo,'' who was Willie Wolfe.
No she fell in love with one of them named Will, Cinque was a different person. Although she later claimed to have been sexually assaulted by people in the group and said everything was nonconsensual.
ALsleasty h
i'm not sure if hearst led a "right life" during her year in the SLA or in the time before and after
*This Toobin chap is a two-bit armchair analyst - he's selling a book and wants money from giving his flimsy account based on the premise of his own conclusions. The Irish have an illustrious history of brilliant writers (Joyce, Beckett, Heaney), but I suppose this one is the exception that proves the rule*
*PS: I'm certain O'Brien only interviewed him because that lot always stick together*
Jeff Toobin has… a passion for the obvious. Always. It’s easy to connect the dots and sound insightful if you just summarize ANYTHING for a living. Oy vey.
Toobin/Weiner2024!
Allahu Snackbars brave tire warriors will always prevail.
How can you be kidnapped when your 19?
By being kidnapped when you're 19
+THE.WRIGHT.FLIGHT lol. Yup, I checked the math. You're correct. (Great answer!)
because Liam Neeson didn't make a movie yet by the name of taken.
How can you not be kidnapped when you're 19? Let's say 5 guys throw you into a van - without you consent of course - drive and then lock you inside a room, etc. What would you call that?
PJ
I think it's clear that the OP thinks that "kid"-napping refers only to kids. The term actually did originally refer to absconding with a child specifically, but the legal term today includes people of any age. Maybe I shouldn't be so harsh but I thought this was pretty basic knowledge.
Jeffrey Toobin was brainwashed.
Just listen to her eulogy of her comrades I don’t know what level of Stockholm she had there had to be some choice there
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She definitely yearned for a bit of rough, then miraculously " returned" once she was arrested, I agree with this author.
he is correct.
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