Atheist Experience 22.23 with Tracie Harris and Matt Dillahunty
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- Show starts at 3:22
8:43 Joel: Atkins, AL: Argument for Reincarnation
22:28 Ahmed: Pakistan: Skepticism in Islamic Country, Science in the Koran
52:33 Brian: Indianapolis, IN: “Almost an Atheist”, Purpose to the Universe
1:18:45 Sam: NY: Leaving Islam
1:33:15 Chris: Boise, ID: Human Traits are from God, Sacrifice of Jesus
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The Atheist Experience 22.23 June 10, 2018 with Tracie Harris and Matt Dillahunty.
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Every time I watch this show, I am exposed to totally new batshit concepts that I had no idea people believed.
It's both depressing and fascinating, yet always entertaining.
They say they don't believe and they fight for the belief of it don't make no sense
@@swaggyswag4999 uhh, no...your statement made no sense.
@Mark Rude Your remark is really well put. I feel exactly the same thing, and thank you for articulating it
@@swaggyswag4999 Atheism is a lack of belief. Fighting for the freedom not to believe, is very different from fighting for a belief in something. And both of those things are different from fighting to force others to follow your beliefs.
A lot of these atheists still believe in Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, even after I showed them the mistake in it. I figured this out when I was in high school Our physics teacher was telling us about Einstein. He said Einstein had proven that a moving clock would be slower than a clock that was not moving. So for the moving clock I imagined a clock in a flying airplane and for the clock that was not moving, a clock on the ground. It was obvious to me that if the pilot of the airplane had a slower clock than an observer on the ground had to time the flight of the airplane, the pilot of the airplane would get a faster speed for the airplane than the observer on the ground. Then I read Einstein's book on the subject and was surprised to learn that the equations that Einstein used for Special Relativity showed that the pilot and the observer on the ground would get the same speed for the airplane.
x' = (x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y' = y
z' = z
t' = (t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
inverse equations
x = (x' + vt')/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y = y'
z = z'
t = (t' + vx'/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
v is the speed of the airplane and is the same speed as seen from either frame of reference. We common people have to live in something called reality. In reality if the pilot of the airplane has a slower clock than the observer on the ground, as Einstein said he would have, then the pilot gets a faster speed for the airplane than the observer on the ground. So Einstein's equations for Special Relativity are really a mathematical description of a miracle or a supernatural event. If atheists want to have a miracle, I certainly have no objection. Watch how many atheists answer this post.
My two favorite hosts at the same time! I’m in “atheist heaven”!!!
The world needs more people like Matt & Tracie, These two are a joy to watch! Best wishes to all the presenters and crew from a loyal fan in the U.K.
I like Ahmed he genuinely sounds like he wants to figure this out. I remember when I was him, it takes courage to leave the indoctrination of youth.
The difference is, he might get his head cut off.
The indoctrination of my youth, adolescence, young adult, middle aged adult, was so complete I saw my whole world and life through it. It took the contradiction between the Bible promises and real life experience to overcome and break it. For me it was prayer and lack of fulfilled biblical promises. Why I never saw it earlier: indoctrination.
My indoctrination was complete and all-encompassing so that when it broke, it broke completely. It was all interconnected, so it all went away at once, in my moment of understanding. What a burden lifted and gone. What clarity and clearness of vision and understanding.
That was my personal experience. Family and friends did not see my loss of faith the way I did.
The real courage comes when you have children of your own and you are not at all convinced of the things that you now realise were told to you in your infancy through to your formative years and then suddenly in adolesence you are given 'freedom' to go on believing or upset everyone by asking the questions that til now would have been laughed at and brushed aside. While they are babies and even toddlers you have time to consider how to proceed with their delicate minds. It takes a coward to assert to them as absolutes what you yourself have to struggke with. By all means teach them what others believe IN THE FACE OF ZERO EVIDENCE so they will not be osteracized from the social group they share but also teach them skepticism and your own way of evaluating so called 'evident' beliefs.
Better to reveal to them Religion in general as a societal phenomenon that can and has had a chequered history and what is the current 'state of play' in your/their neighbourhood, school, family etc. If you truly are yourself cowed into conformity you MUST tell them your story fully and explain why act one way when they know you'd rather not. To be ALWAYS a source of reason for them to bring ALL their doubts, frusrrations and confusions to will be the greatest gift of love that respects their own travels and travails through life. Demonstrate then so that they will also know to do the same when they have children of their own the difference between unconditional love of an earthly father as opposed to the very conditional love of a 'heavenly' one and those that gobble your freedoms (free will) and easily dismiss and disown on a technicality
They will respect and love you for it.
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Does he though? Or is he simply yet another brainwashed muslim trying to sneak his nonsense under the guise of rationality??
I enjoyed Ahmed's call. He seems to be an honest and thoughtful person. He speaks beautiful English too.
@Michael Hope yeah, I'm sure you are very educated ,speak beautiful Urdu and totally not racist.
The first time I watched this show it made me happy that I was not alone with my thoughts and helped me solidify my thinking. When Tracie said “why should I believe if the reason is less than 50%”- she nailed it. Thank You. Also, like how foolish callers are exposed for the fools they are :)
Finally an arena of actual dialogue for those not a part of the masses, yet the majority of the masses hold no real means to truly explain what they believe in or is/are true. I think it's great making many of these callers THINK of what they are actually spewing out of their mouths and their autopilot minds. Time to release the indoctrination shackles.
Daniel M. Edwards wow, you hit the nail on the head so to speak. I’d be so frustrated and it’s because so many theists don’t even believe what they think they do and they want you to believe it too. If I can’t whole heartedly believe something is most likely true, I can’t make myself believe. I don’t know HOW they do that?
I feel sorry for them. Chris was clearly indoctrinated at an early age.
Tracie and Matt. Two hyper intellectuals. Both make me kind of dizzy. I don't want to pick favourites but I really like Tracies ability to ask just the right questions in a calm way. Great show, greetings from Sweden! :)
I gravitate to the Tracie and Matt combo. My two favorites... and even better together! Sometimes Jen the and Tracie combo is very satisfying too.
It’s a shame we will most likely not see the together hosting AXP again. Refreshing to see honest comments without sexual innuendos
@@douglasharris5216 why not?
Roman because Jen and Tracy left aca over the debacle last year.
I also wanted to comment the OP that maybe "hyperintellectuals" are a slight overstatement. They are intelligent obviously and I'm not trying to take anything away from them.
I wish I could argue like you too and be more articulate. Learning much from the show and you totally resonate with my intellect. Love from Kashmir, India.
I never became an atheist. People became religious and labeled me an atheist, and then tell me what an atheist is. Its really confusing how some people are so willing to believe in a story with so little evidence.
People are also more than willing to spin you as the enemy in their mind. They will fabricate a story of the kind of enemy you are so they will have justification to resent you and dismiss your arguments. To people like that you could even prove that you're telling the truth but it will be dismissed as a lie or nonsense to preserve their sense of identity. Their need for you to be the bad guy so they can be the self-righteous guy.
That first caller could feed a family of four with his word salads.
Ryan Calcaterra weed salad
Ryan Calcaterra hahaha, you’re right.
christian nutbag word salad with absoloutely no argument for the sole
@@rachelnuku3170 soul*?
That looong call with Brian got super facepalmy super quick.
I loved Ahmed’s call. He was as honest as he could be. Good for him! We’ll have another atheist at some point!!!!
Lori W well maybe not an out atheist because his very life would be in danger in his country. I have a few friends in Iran who are closet atheists. I can’t imagine be legislated to believe in this god, this book or else.
Allah is real
Jar Jar and you better believe or we will kill you for Allah....you know because Allah can’t do shit without PEOPLE DOING HIS MURDERING FOR HIM....almost like he does not exist. Funny that’s how all Gods work. They can’t do shit without actual HUMAN BEINGS reading ancient books and doing what is WRITTEN in books WRITTEN BY HUMANS. Gee, it’s like humans wrote these books for humans.
In Pakistan? If he wants a long & happy life he will NOT be coming out as atheist - fool!T
I don't believe for one second that that guy Brian is an atheist. He just said that later in the call so he could get more time to insert apologetic nonsense into the discussion.
Aoshi Shinamon,
I don't believe him or any of the apologists who claimed to have been atheists ever were atheists in the first place.. I was raised going to a General Baptist church and believed for 30 years but then actually read the entire bible. That combined with studying the history of the Levant caused me to lose my faith. Apart from Jesus actually coming back and seeing it for myself, there's nothing that could convince me that the bible's correct or a god exists.
I find it interesting that God hides and everyone believes anyway. Matt anyways makes people realize they are better than God.
After watching at least 30 of these videos, I finally figured out that the thing on the table in front of them is the spaghetti monster
I wondered what that was! So, it does exist!
God is right in front of you. Yet you do not see Him. Til you're ready.
Finally. You were ready. For spagheddy.
It was knitted either by Beth or by a fan.
Hmm. Took a few watches and a direct mention.
HAHAHAHA Well done
It's Balsphemy!!!
It is not even flying!
Amhed is the first Theist I actually like. And remember he can't just give up his faith. Maybe to himself but not to his family and the people around him. He would get killed or worse. Smart guy. I wish him the best.
Nice try "Brian" If that's even your real name! 😆
That is an impressive and brave man to be calling this show from Pakistan. I sure hope he remains happy and free to hold his own facts and truths.
I am so glad Amed called. Much appreciation to anyone who remains open minded when a lot is at stake for them. I believe this is a testimony to the resilient spirit of mankind. I hold the same regard for both hosts who it seems from looking from afar have made a similar sacrifice. Thanks so much to you all.
My two favourite host, I appreciate all the hosts and guest host, but these two are my favs ✌🏽💜
This is one of the best AxP shows I've seen. I kind of feel sorry for the theists who call in and walk into this buzz saw. The cognitive dissonance is palpable. The last 35 minutes or so was classic. I hope Chris from Boise ponders all that and finds that today was the day his mind was set free.
"God can't be a possible explanation, until you demonstrate God exists"
"Maybe Doctor Who went back and told them"
Amazing Atheist *snickers*
Hey you're not the Amazing atheist, he likes Bananas not Pears. 🍐🔫 🍌✔️
Dr Who did as when I prey he talks to me .
Tracy Harris never ceases to amaze me.... what a beautiful mind.
I have a 50/50 chance of winning the lottery, either I'll win, or I won't.
Pascal's Lottery Ticket. Do the quadrant. I buy a ticket and win or lose. I don't buy a ticket, I lose or lose...
First caller is a loon. He cannot prove anything he says but asserts it as true. That goes for every religion I have encountered. It is all magical wishful thinking. I also must say that I give high marks for Matt, Tracie, and everyone else on the show for their patience and restraint to reach out to the other side.
Seofthwa I bought my daughter a fantasma magic kit. I kept telling her it’s magic, yes, but magic is trickery and once you know it’s not real, it isn’t the same. So we were working out the magic tricks together and she looks at me and says it’s like the Bible. Once you see it for real, it’s fake magic. She’s 8 and we’ve been on this road to being religion free together.
That audience members laugh is awesome. Made the show!
I wish I had found this before I became an atheist. This would have been so helpful back when I was leaving religion.
Ahmed. I know you will probably never see this. But on the off chance that you do, I want to say, hang in there. Don’t get discouraged. Keep seeking answers. I relate with you so much.
You will always have someone there for you in this community. You sound so smart. I wish I were friends with someone like you in real life.
On my birthday, Facebook asked me for a good cause to ask my "friends" to donate to. I chose the atheist experience. No-one donated, i was sad.
Your friends suck. 😞
are you out to your "friends"? if not, i'm not surprised. they prolly were too horrified. (tho, i guess you're out now, huh? lol) ... are you in any atheists groups on FB? if not, you should join some. there are tons of them, of all different varieties, so i'm sure you can find your particular tribe. they will be much more likely to contribute on your next bday. hope that helps. :-)
Dump those friends! ;)
We miss you tracy come back.
Consciousness creates awareness, if you are not conscious you can’t be aware. What the hell was that first caller going on about?
Some people have some really strange ideas, the more we know from science, the more they seem to be clutching at straws to try and find reasons to believe in an afterlife. When you're dead you're dead... THE END.
People of lesser intellect who think they are thoughtful engage in this tortured reasoning in order to elevate themselves.
💖 The way tracie talks with a hint of sarcasm and laughter.. 🤣
Religious people you are slowing us down.. Your in the way.. You are keeping us feom evolving..
Someone at the asylum is going to get fired for leaving the door open so that Joel could get out.
im gonna donate soon. you guys/gals ROCK!
Yay comments aren't disabled!
Hugely enjoyable! With Love from London, England
There are no video in this channel in which I didn't, at least once, had a long breath expiration at a moment when a caller sees him/herself into a corner.
Go easy on these callers, they have been suffering abuse for all these years and now they're hearing the truth and they don't know how to process/handel it.
The moment when you asked, “if YOU Ahmed were god, would YOU reveal yourself this way?” And he says, “no. I would not.”
THAT right there was one of the most powerful arguments I’ve seen from you Matt.
It pays off when your REASON with people.
It only works with theist callers willing to engage with reason. Unfortunately, these are rare.
I'd, like to preface this by saying I love the other regular hosts Don, Jen, Phil and John, but Tracie and Matt are my favorites and I get giddy when they host together.
I love Tracie. Matt too of course.
The A team.
why don't we hear of near death experiences where the persons see relatives they hated as they fell towards the darkness
I imagine there are horror stories of nightmare like experiences when people experience hypoxia. Nitrogen narcosis is similar to hypoxia because they both tend to cause people to experience elated, euphoric feelings. Divers who experience nitrogen narcosis do irrational things like even take off their breathing source because they believe they can breathe in water. It’s called Rapture of the Deep. I never have experienced nitrogen narcosis but I have experienced hypoxia during simulated cabin blowouts at 40,000 feet at NASA/JSC. I felt elated from lack of oxygen but just before I passed out instructors put oxygen masks on my face and I realized how I was fooled by the elated feelings. I guess I had a near non-breath experience.
too that first dude , your story had me rolling in the floor , if you could only hear yourself .
Trac is gold. Miss her
20:06 I kind of like that Joel giggled a bit at the end, because he may have realized how confusing his own argument was as well.
I think Joel has read L. Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics" a few times.
Brian converted to atheism 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
2 words on that caller: superb cannabis.
People should know when they are beaten
Continuation of Consciousness cannot explain population increase!
Mithun Karmakar maybe split personalities?
Brian is pulling probability out if his butt.
-Edit- Oh he's an theist pretending to be an atheist me thinks!
Hey, how do you make a strike through?
Great Video.
One of the best shows I've seen or heard.
looks like Matt lost some weight
Yeah, he looks good.
its the shirt.....his neckfat looks the same xD unless that's where he hides his second brain
Joel from Atkins speaks with forked tongue.
Love this show!
It's the dream team. I am ready.
You don’t realize how ignorant people really are until they call into these shows.
David Ross Most people aren’t deep thinkers..
Amed falls for a random guess too easily. "The sky is either shrinking, static, or expanding. It's definitely not shrinking from what I can tell, I'll write down that I think its expanding, I must be an envoy from god!"
No person knows how this world came.
Yeah... but there are millions of theists claiming they do know...
he came down and he died? jesus was a paratrooper with faulty equipment?
grim
We ask, So your hebin is up in the sky? We pass it on way to Mars?
"No no no!"
But still you say "Came down"
WTF?
Bad drug trip, ending in a fatality.
Reminds me of the scene in Deadpool 2 where the guy parachutes down straight into power lines.
Airborne!
I'm not particularly "special" or smarter, more intelligent than anyone else. Based on my experience throughout my 40+ years of life, I'd place my intellect in the "average" category, if I were to categorize my opinion of my own intellect at all, and I don't understand how ANYBODY could come to the conclusion that ANY divine or supernatural phenomena exist at all.
I had a fairly normal childhood, maybe a little rougher than most kids, because I was the youngest, quite the troublemaker compared to my siblings, and even given up to multiple foster families and group homes and back to my parents from when I was in elementary school to when I began 8th grade.
One thing that was relatively consistent was living with families of one denomination of Christianity or another the whole time. I was baptized twice, once while living with my mother and stepfather and once while living with a foster family, I attended Royal Rangers youth camp/scout group every week for a couple years, and was "saved" many times.
Or, at least I went through the motions, essentially pretending because I never felt anything significant or even out of the ordinary lol I never heard any prayers being answered, and no matter how much I tried to overcome my natural feelings of skepticism so I could open myself up to it as much as possible, literally trying to force myself to believe I was receptive, I NEVER felt any divine presence or what anyone would consider the effects of a "Holy Spirit."
Eventually, as I was going through high school, I stopped attending church altogether, because I was so often just bored to tears and struggling to stay awake between looking at my watch to track the progress of the service through the little itinerary pamphlet they give you at the door lol but by then I wasn't even praying outside of those services, and that's when I was actually made to show up by my parents that particular week.
I didn't have anything against the Religion, but it had always just felt so far fetched to me. That some Invisible Guy was watching me everywhere I went and everything I did, judging me and considering whether or not my prayers were selfless enough to warrant answering.
And, that he made himself manifest in his "son" so he could die for the sins of everyone here on Earth a long time ago, but had essentially been virtually SILENT ever since and there was this rapture we all had to prepare for because the sky was going to split open during my lifetime and Jesus was going to return to the Earth.
It all seemed just as fantastical as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy to me.
And, it boggled my MIND that any sane, rational adult would actually believe any of this to be true, especially the people I knew who seemed to have their lives so "together" in every other conceivable aspect of their lives.
Watching this show lately has been a rather stark reminder of those days, for me, because I haven't been in such close proximity to those things for so long. And I'm hearing what sound like otherwise intelligent, rational people twisting themselves into knots trying to justify their beliefs in something that just seems so absolutely absurd it beggars belief!
I get the whole "indoctrination" concept. But, why would anyone use reason and evidence in every other aspect of their lives but for the ONE arguably most important thing they use Faith because there has never been presented any actual reasonable evidence?
HOW can anyone be so completely deluded?
HOW can anyone actually believe something for which there isn't even evidence to support a possibility, let alone probability? Or take the extra step to call it an actual "fact"?!
I'd be willing to bet I'm not the only one who was pretending, and I'd also be willing to bet that a good percentage of the people who claim to believe secretly really don't. Regardless of what they say.
I'd be willing to bet a not insignificant number of them are straight up lying, to themselves and to everyone else. I'd even calculate it's close to ¼ or even ⅓ of them ALL.
Because I'm not that much different than anyone else, and something built on such weak foundations cannot possibly hold up to someone's own scrutiny or self-examination or self-reflection.
I'm essentially convinced that a majority of the world's religions were wholly invented by human beings to give some seemingly much-needed significance to their lives, to create a light at the end of the tunnel. And then the concept was used to control and oppress others over the next couple thousand years.
I'm convinced that scientific literacy is the most effective inoculate against those beliefs, charlatans and those who would try to BULLSHIT you. And that the Universe and all the properties and processes we observe are FAR more meaningful and significant, more beautiful and profound than ANYTHING that can or has ever been dreamed up by human beings.
I'm convinced that if there WAS a "God," he would envy US, because we are mortal, every day could be our last and we will never be here again. Which makes this life, the only life anyone actually KNOWS we have, the only life we have ANY evidence to support, more meaningful than ANY imaginary "afterlife" posited by ANY man-made myth.
And, most importantly to this particular topic, at least, I'm absolutely convinced that there is no "God" or "Creator" even more so than most "Christians" are convinced that there is.
love u guys!
That last guy got roasted like brunch potatoes.
Amed is the best example of an actual thinking, logical human being who has taken the time to wonder where his path continues to go under the influences that was presented to him prior.
I really like those callers which come with a silly analogy, and after Mat destroyed their analogy to pieces, say "EXACTLY",
I would recommend a book on how the nervous system works for this caller. He is confusing normal neurological functions with mysticism.
Amed is such a cool guy. I'd really like to go grab a beer with him.
Chris in Boise: "christianity has spread worldwide"
Me: so has islam, judaism, Hinduism, buddhism, herpes, covid, flat-earth theory...
Doesn't seem to matter much which chair Matt sits in does it? LOL!
I wish that there was a clip from the last caller with Matt's analogy of Satan, Jesus, and the big scree tv. Awesome
Love these old shows. Brian was being dishonest from the start, these pretend ‘on the fence’ callers always reveal themselves.
A lucky Doc . Wonderful.
A 2 hour class on all the ways critical thinking goes wrong in the religious mind.....and all the ways the religious mind shields its religious notions from any real critical consideration.
Seems that Brian is on the fence teetering and the deciding factor is on which side he can 🍒 the most from.
Supernatural and science dont mix!
If "the supernatural" exists and manifests in the physical world, science could at least observe, conclude and even, perhaps, measure the effect. It couldn't relate that effect to a supernatural cause. But it could note similarities & differences as compared to other known things.
And if this supernatural whatsit DOESn't manifest in the physical world...there's no there there. At least yet. It's Tracie's visible jar of invisible transcendant dice.
And will never mix.
Joel puts finger in light socket, short circuits brain, and calls into the Atheist Experience to claim he is Matt and Joel at the same time. Am I missing something here? Or has Joel escaped from the looney bin?
The first caller talking about reincarnation I think was trying to explain an idea he got from teal swan. (She makes videos on youtube.) She talks about reincarnation because she believes are all the same energy and all learning through experiences.
Sam from New York is a really nice guy to listen to 👍
The Essential Mumbo. From the Baseline Jumbo. "I'll just read the first paragraph..." If that was para 1, imagine 2 pages.
2,05,xx All people do not experience love. I can assure you.
The last call was painful to listen to
Thank you Matt for all your efforts to educate the ignorant. And it's mind baffling of the numbers . I hope that the callers at some point go back and listen to their own babbling. No truer saying then that you can't fix stupid.
Joel……… stop….oh , he has , it’s the past, my bad
I interpreted the quote from the Koran as the mind, human thought was expanding. This just being one of many interpretations - and there's the problem.
As a former resident of Boise, it's pronounced "boy-see". The locals get twisted around the axle if you say "boy-zee".
I call it Smurfsville 😅
Amed has a serious problem. His questions can be interpreted as apostasy my fellow muslims. Apostasy can lead to a death sentence in Pakistan, in al-Islam. He may seem to be so far from sceptical to Matt & Tracie but in his community he has, as he said, moved a long way from where he started.
And...which of the millions of babies "in the womb" is caller Joel...or is he All of them?
When reason is against a man that man is often against reason!
thats a fat minus on us having even deserved to go on as a species.
Okay.. so Step 1 of this process appears to be - Define what it is that you're talking about (Gods, ghosts etc.), in a way that can be understood clearly, using physical evidence.
Interestingly, I've listened to several Alan Watts lectures, and he brings up a concept called "Neti, Neti" (it's a Sanskrit phrase for a Hindu expression) Alan Watts explains this as a quality of Deity to be necessarily undefinable.
So, I've watched the show enough to see a pattern, People call in - Fail step one (necessarily) - and result to chatting about their feelings.
Chris obviously has never heard of native Americans' accounts of seeing their spirit animals come to them while in a trance. He says people never see animals come to them, but they have.
Christians say "Jesus died for you".... But also say "he rose again"...... So which is it?...
The worst and BIGGEST lie is that god sacrificed his only begotten son. A sacrifice is a permanent LOSS. God did not throw a rock into the ocean. He threw a boomerang.
There's a woman vicepresidente in the US in 2020....
Matt you're the messiah....😅🤣😂
Exactly what I thought 😂😂😂
Chris is adorable. So dishonest
Zeus “revealed” himself to and on a bunch of women….
starting any possible answer with "it's a fact that" is not a fact of anything.
I get it. The asteroid that settled it for the dinosaurs was deliberately aimed at the earth so burrowing mammals could survive and develop towards us.
If you watch a comet in the sky for a few days and it pass earth you can easily think the universe is expanding.