Also: "You are reading, interpreting and understanding it[my fantasy book, that isn't actually "mine"] wrong." (Which implies he does) That is called arrogance. The "purest" and holiest form of it ... hehehehe
I'm a critical thinker as well, Steve. When I finished reading the ENTIRE Bible and not just the cherry-picked, feel-good stuff that churches point us to, I was crushed. That is when the blinders were removed from my heart and mind about the deity I was taught to worship. There is NO WAY an all-knowing and loving divine being inspired the hateful, misogynistic, bigoted, violent, contradictory, and confusing mess that is the Bible. The actions of the deity in the bible are that of an arrogant man-child with no emotional regulation or maturation whatsoever. The atrocities it commits against children alone was enough to deconvert me. 😢
Maybe it's a good thing that most churches do not promote reading and accepting most of the unconscionable stuff in the bible. At the same time reading all of it in an unbiased manor inevitably creates more atheists.
"I debunked every claim every atheist has ever made and every time they immediately convert and raise me on their shoulders and cheering me as they hold a parade in my honor!' "Awesome, which claims did you debunk?" "All of them" "Yeah but specifically which ones" "I proved god." "How?" "Because what i said was so true." "But what did you say" "That i was right" Theist disillusion of ego.
You honestly know that's a strawman. Thus is why youtube is so negetive. People constantly saying things about people in a very Stawman manner. You should actually be ashamed.
“Better to trust in the lord to have confidence in men” Literally taken from a book written by men. This is three minutes after saying he’s a “critical thinker”
It’s always interesting when a Christian argues they have special access to the truth of Christianity. It’s like watching a new sect being formed by arbitrarily favouring their own understanding.
Maybe you should deeply go into yourself and reflect? I don't know if its that healthy if you get your entertainment out of those absurd interpretations and right out madness of strangers (meaning: their misery). (Well, I am guilty of that, too ... and also this is meant nothing else but satirical, hehehe)
This was over 20 minutes of relentless preaching that should have been cut off much earlier. Allowing him to go on like that was a disservice to everyone listening; my ears were practically on the verge of bleeding. A more effective approach would have been to intervene sooner, ensuring a more balanced and engaging discussion for all involved.
This is because to bring the catholics practice of self-castigation into your experience. After this call, I just wanna clean the house, make the dishes, wash clothes and so on. And I really hate doing housework. Hehehehehe
Shaw's expressed views were often contentious; he promoted eugenics. Shaw was a socialist and a member of the Fabian Society. The Fabian Society promoted political and ideological subversion rather than open revolution. That's why the symbol of their organization is a wolf in sheep's clothing. 😂 You people just keep proving me right about why you're all here bad mouthing every other view and experience but your cults own
I love how Steve spent the entire call insisting on having done his due diligence, and pondered _really hard_ about his beliefs, and wanted us all to know that his rigorous analysis of the faith has led him to the undeniable conclusion that it's true. Twenty minutes in and he still hasn't proven anything, and something tells me he isn't going to.
He finds no contradictions because when he reads something that doesn’t make sense he decides it actually says something else to make it consistent in his own head.
I love how he pulled that out of his ass. That phrase is NOWHERE in the bible. I don't know if he was trying to claim that it specifically was, but to just claim that we're not supposed to blindly believe, that's so the opposite of what is in there.
I’m endlessly fascinated by people who read an ambiguous, highly interpretable, often contradictory text and feel that they have the One, True subjective interpretation that is obviously correct and ignore the thousands, if not millions, of other subjective interpretations that exist that oftentimes contradict their favorite pet subjective interpretation.
Yes! Thank you. I’ve pointed this out so many times. There is something so fascinating (and very disturbing) about people who seem to truly believe that they have superpowers… people who think that they know the mind, motives, and moral values of a magical, all-knowing, all-powerful deity… or people who think that they alone are capable of accurately interpreting an “ancient code book” that contains the will, wishes, and word of an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal and infinite being.
I'm gonna stand up and say "Objection 18:36 your honor. Relevance?" "Assumes facts not in evidence." And maybe "Prosecution requests a directed verdict".
I mean, Russel is literally just wrong. America has a Christian heritage, it's just not a Christian nation in a legal or formal sense. Some Christians (usually racists) like to argue that the country is supposed to be Christian. They're obviously wrong. However, it's impossible to deny that Christians have heavily influenced the structure of our nation's politics. That remains true to this day. So what Russel should have said is, "It depends on what you mean by heritage". It makes no sense to deny it outright.
@@Big-Papa-Smurf Christianity played zero part in making it a superpower. That's why Russel objected. It is just a superpower that happens to be a Christian nation but not because it is a Christian nation. If Christianity made a nation to be super power, then all Christian nations would've been in good shape.
"I'm a critical thinker." 😮 😅 😅 "Unlike aaallll the other 'Christians', _I_ have figured out the True Meaning of the Bible. By reading it. And rereading it. And digging into it. And thinking and thinking more about it. And critically thinking about it. And reading it some more. And spending time telling others how WRONG they are about it. And writing a book about my Journey. My Journey of reading and thinking. Can't you you tell just how gosh darn RIGHT I am? Cuz i sure can."
Yep. It’s because there isn’t a single theist that can defend their beliefs without looking stupid. What’s sad is that they are aware of that shortcoming and that’s where the dodging comes in.
@@jayrose8638 they should just admit it isn't factual and state faith is their choice to believe, however, the church tells them they would go to hell for questioning the "Bible"
I love how Christians make an arbitrary decision to believe some of the most extraordinary claims in the history of mankind purely by faith - and then, pretend that they have special knowledge from God that only people who believe what they believe can ever possess. They seem to think that their choice to believe the Bible allows them to know that the Bible is true.
Yes! Exactly! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary EVIDENCE, not extraordinary faith. No amount of faith will ever make an extraordinary claim true, no matter how much the faithful purport to have special access to secret knowledge about that claim.
And another thing, if we are not supposed to believe man, WHY did God leave it up to man to write the Bible? Why didn't he just do it himself with his all-powerful hand? That is illogical.
People such as this caller choose to avoid these obvious issues, or begin the tap dancing act when asked about it. He's so indoctrinated that instead of being rational, he's making up his own version of Christianity as he goes along.
@@rethinkyourself1 First of all, I don't believe God exists, so I did not comment on IQ level of non-existent, imaginary entity. If anyone was stupid, it was New Testament's anonymous authors, who did not think how to explain the fact that despite being son\part of omniscient deity, Jesus didn't leave a single written word. Remember the accounts of how Jesus supposedly stumped educated priests at the temple? Too bad he didn't stop there to learn how to write.
Preaching the bible, as if it's evidence for God... No, it's a claim in the same way the Harry Potter books are evidence for Hogwarts existing.... Libraries need to put religious texts in the fiction section.
Another theist who is incapable of having a conversation. He said on multiple occasions “I’ll answer that but I have to say this first” then preach and not answer the question. Loves the sound of his own voice.
What does Steve mean by, “IF the Bible contradicts itself?” Like, how does a self-described critical thinker not realize that the Bible is full of contradictions?
@@queuecee I feel like if animals could talk during biblical times, all the animals that Noah left behind would’ve screamed, “Build a bigger fckn boat, a$$hole!” 😂
I'm so glad that they don't let these people prattle on and on and on like this anymore. Don't ever have these conversations with someone who isn't listening and responding to what you say. It's a complete waste of your time, and the tactic is to wear you down. Don't let people disrespect you like that.
@anubion42 I think a lot of theists wouldn’t find it convincing, but are so sure that their feelings of God are real that it doesn’t matter. I think people overestimate how accurate their feelings are at leading to the truth. On top of that, if you’ve built your entire life around something, and all of your community and family are so ingrained, it’s so hard to reconcile with the fact that it could all be false. It would be world-shattering for them. It’s pretty sad to be honest.
You'd figure that an all powerful being that invented all of the languages would be able to create scriptures that could be understood no matter what language they are translated into.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Those people do have all kinds of miracles they claim. The illiterate being able to read the bible first glance would be a miracle.
A piece of advice to all theists out there. Nothing bores the shit out of an atheist more than sermons, testimony, personal experience and witness! Don’t do do it … we don’t care!
Callers claims he’s a critical thinker while the first thing he says is literally a magical fairytale ffs 😂 Massive red flag: If you’re an ACTUAL critical thinker, you don’t have to incessantly brag about being an astute critical thinker ffs.
OMG, he keeps quoting the Bible as if that's fact. Yet he said it's written by man and he's a critical thinker. ALL of that is nonsense and boggles the mind to hear it. This guy is indoctrinated and is about as critical a thinker as my orchids.
When theists claim that they are a critical thinker, they mean when they say how evolution can't be true because a rock did not come from a bang and man did not come from a mud puddle. That's their idea of critical thinking.
@@queuecee Good observation. So, in other words, what they’re really saying is not that they’re critical of their own religion, but that they’re critical of anything that refutes or undermines their religious beliefs.
If this guy was really investigating the bible honestly he'd be an atheist by now. Early Church fathers knew already that trying to use reason to prove the bibles veracity was a waste of time, evidenced by this extract: Ignatius Loyola summed up the traditional Christian view when he said, ‘We sacrifice the intellect to God’ and Martin Luther was even more direct in expressing the view that ‘Reason is the Devil’s harlot’.
Critical thinking. = Criticizing that which you believe. Where did you learn it? When did you learn it? Is there any tangible evidence that supports what you believe? And a whole bunch of other thought processes that will take place after you answer the preceding questions.
Rambling, rambling at every opportunity about matters of interpretation of scripture, instead of bringing forth the external evidence they keep asking for.
It seems like Steve only “thinks critically” about stuff he doesn’t want to believe. And he only “asks questions” about facts that refute Biblical scripture or undermine his religion. In other words, Steve isn’t a unique, critical thinker. He’s a typical Christian.
Christ said nothing (we have no audio recordings nor live witnesses from that time; no signed writing from any author named Christ). At best, versions of the book in question, when translated into various versions indicate that others said that Christ said something 20 years before it was first written down in another language than would have been spoken by Christ, and the 3 other narratives reporting what others said that Christ said (which followed over the next 80 years - also not written in the language Christ would have spoken) all conflict with each of the others. The bias going on in your brain is called "wishful thinking". To test for 'wishful thinking', compare how you consider this writing to others that purportedly may be from Buddha or Mohammad, etc.
Steve "I'm a critical thinker" Steve certainly is a critical thinker but not like us. Where we like to analyze claims & facts, steve likes to criticize anyone who doesn't believe in his fringed warped beliefs & his special book the bible.
I am a 78 yo male and I am happy everyday that I wasn't raised with that religious stuff, you know😂. What all religions have in common is WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED.
When a theist claims to be a critical thinker they mean they think everything the bible says is fact and everything that contradicts it is wrong, even the contradictions in the book are being interpreted wrong, I've heard that so many times.
During the whole call he had a story to preach, just like the others he criticised. Right at the end they nailed him on Genesis, shame thet didn't do it at the start over the flood, exodus myth etc.
Steve, honey. Your religion isn’t special. Nearly ALL religions claim to be the word of the “one true god.” Nearly ALL religions claim that all the other religions are false. Entire wars have been fought between people who believe that their religious beliefs are right and their adversary’s beliefs are wrong. Countless people have been killed throughout history, because some religious group was convinced that those people were demonic, or wrong about God, or “worshipping the wrong way.” Steve cannot POSSIBLY know that his religion is correct. And the very idea that he thinks he’s a “critical thinker” is laughable.
Yep. There's known text about Jack climbing a beanstalk. It must be true because we know there was someone in the past named Jack and we know that beanstalks exist.
10:29 "a hunnert and six, or whatever, a hunnert and thirty-six different denominations" where in the ever-loving fuck are you getting that number? There are over 30,000 in the US ALONE
According to The Centre for the Study of Global Christianity, based in New College, the School of Divinity at the University of Edinburgh, Estimations show there are a staggering 45,000 Christian denominations globally.
... and the REAL point was - step outside Christianity for a moment - what about ALL the other religious beliefs in the world (including the world's oldest mono-theistic religion... which is most certainly NOT Judaism).
"A lot of people don't want to believe the bible is true." As a former Christian I wanted to and still want to believe WHAT is true. Whether that be the bible or anything else. This caused quite a bit of conflict during my time as a Christian. I was interested in finding out what the truth was and I was surrounded by believers that only wanted to believe that the bible was true.
Steve loves himself , does lots of talking and says very little ......yawn , you guys are too polite, I recommend reads the BROS GRIMM or Hans Christian Andersen , they wrote fantasy fiction too.
These type of Christians really seem bizzare to me because I will never understand why, just because a delusion is ( in some places) common, its still not considered a mental illness because just because its gets the label "religon"
Did he ever answer "heres how I originally assessed whether the damn thing has any truth at all"? I caught that its America's book. And America is the super awesomest. So ipso facto, pudding tested..." But other than that?
I'm so glad we heard the end of the story and learned that the wife was the ACTUAL creator of Christian Myth Busters. That was extremely useful for the rest of the story.
At 15:27, the lady who’s husband died of a heart attack said that Steve was an answer to her prayers. I’m wondering weather she prayed that her husband not die from his attack?
"I take these passages as true, as they are written." And, "we'll never know what was actually intended unless we've read them in their original languages, the Greek and Hebrew." So, what validates your prejudice is true, and what is unintelligible needs to be considered in the language of those that were "divinely inspired." 😂😂😂 GTFOH 😂😂😂
If you are a "critical thinker" and you just walk up to me and say "I believe in a god that can snap their fingers and create universes" and when I ask "and where did HE come from" and you of course answer with "he always existed", I am going to point out you are not a critical thinker.
"I'm a critical thinker...." immediately followed by " and the bible tells me.." LOL
@@samuelstone242 Critical thinker? More like critical comedian! 😂
Russell raises eyebrows - says it at
That was the first warning sign that this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit, and think he's the dog's bollocks.
Also: "You are reading, interpreting and understanding it[my fantasy book, that isn't actually "mine"] wrong." (Which implies he does)
That is called arrogance. The "purest" and holiest form of it ... hehehehe
Yes, that one stupid statement
I'm a critical thinker as well, Steve. When I finished reading the ENTIRE Bible and not just the cherry-picked, feel-good stuff that churches point us to, I was crushed. That is when the blinders were removed from my heart and mind about the deity I was taught to worship.
There is NO WAY an all-knowing and loving divine being inspired the hateful, misogynistic, bigoted, violent, contradictory, and confusing mess that is the Bible. The actions of the deity in the bible are that of an arrogant man-child with no emotional regulation or maturation whatsoever. The atrocities it commits against children alone was enough to deconvert me. 😢
It was clear to me AS A CHILD, when i read the bible front to back, that these were words clearly written by humans, and not "divinely inspired".
The actions of the man-child deity in the bible you mentioned are probably what appeal to this idiot, he is confirmation bias personified
Maybe it's a good thing that most churches do not promote reading and accepting most of the unconscionable stuff in the bible.
At the same time reading all of it in an unbiased manor inevitably creates more atheists.
I'm not Christian but your comment is arrogant weather you accept this truth or not. This is an objective understanding.
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail It's whether, not weather. You're welcome.
"I debunked every claim every atheist has ever made and every time they immediately convert and raise me on their shoulders and cheering me as they hold a parade in my honor!'
"Awesome, which claims did you debunk?"
"All of them"
"Yeah but specifically which ones"
"I proved god."
"How?"
"Because what i said was so true."
"But what did you say"
"That i was right"
Theist disillusion of ego.
Theist doesn’t understand that they didn’t win an argument just declared victory obnoxiously
Steve is nothing but a preacher in love with his own voice.
All narcissists are lol😂
And an ignorant, ill informed and self important one at that.
You honestly know that's a strawman. Thus is why youtube is so negetive. People constantly saying things about people in a very Stawman manner. You should actually be ashamed.
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail You have no idea what the strawman fallacy actually is. Merely insulting your opposition isn't a strawman.
@RighteousnessWillPrevail you need to look up the dictionary definition of strawman. As your comment makes, you look ill-informed.
Caller " I'm going to answer the question"
Caller fails to answer the question.
“Better to trust in the lord to have confidence in men”
Literally taken from a book written by men.
This is three minutes after saying he’s a “critical thinker”
It’s always interesting when a Christian argues they have special access to the truth of Christianity. It’s like watching a new sect being formed by arbitrarily favouring their own understanding.
Maybe you should deeply go into yourself and reflect?
I don't know if its that healthy if you get your entertainment out of those absurd interpretations and right out madness of strangers (meaning: their misery).
(Well, I am guilty of that, too ... and also this is meant nothing else but satirical, hehehe)
Kept hearing myself say "who cares?" out loud again and again
2:55 "I'm a critical thinker" - I spit my coffee on that one!
And yet throughout this entire call, this guy demonstrates he is in fact a very very poor critical thinker
This was over 20 minutes of relentless preaching that should have been cut off much earlier. Allowing him to go on like that was a disservice to everyone listening; my ears were practically on the verge of bleeding. A more effective approach would have been to intervene sooner, ensuring a more balanced and engaging discussion for all involved.
This is because to bring the catholics practice of self-castigation into your experience.
After this call, I just wanna clean the house, make the dishes, wash clothes and so on. And I really hate doing housework.
Hehehehehe
No Christian ever believes that the bible means what it says:
The Christian is always convinced that it says what they mean.
Geo. Bernard Shaw.
"God thinks like me.
When...oops, if...I change my mind, so did God."
Shaw's expressed views were often contentious; he promoted eugenics. Shaw was a socialist and a member of the Fabian Society. The Fabian Society promoted political and ideological subversion rather than open revolution. That's why the symbol of their organization is a wolf in sheep's clothing. 😂 You people just keep proving me right about why you're all here bad mouthing every other view and experience but your cults own
@@brucebaker810 Bingo! That's exactly how they operate.
If the Christian doesn't like what God's word says, it's always taken out of context. When they agree, no context necessary. 😂
@@Childfree334 They imply "bible context". What they mean is their own preferred/comprehended context.
A very convoluted version of "The bible is true because it says so in the bible."
This was just preaching
And the most random "testimony" (I hate that word) ever.
I love how Steve spent the entire call insisting on having done his due diligence, and pondered _really hard_ about his beliefs, and wanted us all to know that his rigorous analysis of the faith has led him to the undeniable conclusion that it's true.
Twenty minutes in and he still hasn't proven anything, and something tells me he isn't going to.
He finds no contradictions because when he reads something that doesn’t make sense he decides it actually says something else to make it consistent in his own head.
"God's looking for inquiring minds." But remember, you can't question the veracity of the bible!
I love how he pulled that out of his ass. That phrase is NOWHERE in the bible. I don't know if he was trying to claim that it specifically was, but to just claim that we're not supposed to blindly believe, that's so the opposite of what is in there.
I’m endlessly fascinated by people who read an ambiguous, highly interpretable, often contradictory text and feel that they have the One, True subjective interpretation that is obviously correct and ignore the thousands, if not millions, of other subjective interpretations that exist that oftentimes contradict their favorite pet subjective interpretation.
Yes! Thank you. I’ve pointed this out so many times. There is something so fascinating (and very disturbing) about people who seem to truly believe that they have superpowers… people who think that they know the mind, motives, and moral values of a magical, all-knowing, all-powerful deity… or people who think that they alone are capable of accurately interpreting an “ancient code book” that contains the will, wishes, and word of an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal and infinite being.
steve: "it's kinda hard to deny america's christian heritage, which became the greatest superpower in the world"
russell: "yeah, i'm gonna deny that"
I'm gonna stand up and say "Objection 18:36 your honor. Relevance?"
"Assumes facts not in evidence."
And maybe "Prosecution requests a directed verdict".
I mean, Russel is literally just wrong. America has a Christian heritage, it's just not a Christian nation in a legal or formal sense. Some Christians (usually racists) like to argue that the country is supposed to be Christian. They're obviously wrong. However, it's impossible to deny that Christians have heavily influenced the structure of our nation's politics. That remains true to this day. So what Russel should have said is, "It depends on what you mean by heritage". It makes no sense to deny it outright.
@Big-Papa-Smurf -- if the nazis had won world war 2, steve would be telling us that america's founding fathers were all habsburghs.
@@Big-Papa-Smurf That's just your subjective opinion.
@@Big-Papa-Smurf Christianity played zero part in making it a superpower. That's why Russel objected. It is just a superpower that happens to be a Christian nation but not because it is a Christian nation. If Christianity made a nation to be super power, then all Christian nations would've been in good shape.
"I'm a critical thinker." 😮 😅 😅
"Unlike aaallll the other 'Christians', _I_ have figured out the True Meaning of the Bible.
By reading it. And rereading it. And digging into it. And thinking and thinking more about it.
And critically thinking about it. And reading it some more. And spending time telling others how WRONG they are about it.
And writing a book about my Journey. My Journey of reading and thinking.
Can't you you tell just how gosh darn RIGHT I am? Cuz i sure can."
That's a good tl;dr!
Steve is one of the rare theist callers who is more of a bore than he is an idiot. Not MUCH more, but still somehow more.
I can see what you mean - his monumental idiocy wasn't even amusing, it was so smug and self aggrandising.
I'm 8 minutes in, and this cultist has yet to answer a direct question. Just dodge, dodge, dodge.
Both sides will often dodge if they feel like there's a trick or trap
Yep. It’s because there isn’t a single theist that can defend their beliefs without looking stupid.
What’s sad is that they are aware of that shortcoming and that’s where the dodging comes in.
Same! 😂 I'm at 7:15
@@jayrose8638 they should just admit it isn't factual and state faith is their choice to believe, however, the church tells them they would go to hell for questioning the "Bible"
"Critical thinker" caller can't answer a single question. I have a feeling he just kept talking to the air after the phone call ended.
I love how Christians make an arbitrary decision to believe some of the most extraordinary claims in the history of mankind purely by faith - and then, pretend that they have special knowledge from God that only people who believe what they believe can ever possess. They seem to think that their choice to believe the Bible allows them to know that the Bible is true.
Yes! Exactly! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary EVIDENCE, not extraordinary faith. No amount of faith will ever make an extraordinary claim true, no matter how much the faithful purport to have special access to secret knowledge about that claim.
And another thing, if we are not supposed to believe man, WHY did God leave it up to man to write the Bible? Why didn't he just do it himself with his all-powerful hand? That is illogical.
People such as this caller choose to avoid these obvious issues, or begin the tap dancing act when asked about it. He's so indoctrinated that instead of being rational, he's making up his own version of Christianity as he goes along.
Jesus was illiterate. Jesus is 1\3 of God. God is illiterate.
@FrikInCasualMode so god is stupid....ohhh now this makes sense 🙌
@@rethinkyourself1 First of all, I don't believe God exists, so I did not comment on IQ level of non-existent, imaginary entity. If anyone was stupid, it was New Testament's anonymous authors, who did not think how to explain the fact that despite being son\part of omniscient deity, Jesus didn't leave a single written word. Remember the accounts of how Jesus supposedly stumped educated priests at the temple? Too bad he didn't stop there to learn how to write.
@@FrikInCasualMode Keep it simply. All religions are myths. The End.
This guy really likes to hear himself talk.
Preaching the bible, as if it's evidence for God... No, it's a claim in the same way the Harry Potter books are evidence for Hogwarts existing.... Libraries need to put religious texts in the fiction section.
steve: "i'm a critical thinker"
steve: "here's the key: you gotta let [the bible] interpret itself"
King crimson pfp?
@@AXKfUN9m one the most famous album covers ever!
“God wants inquiring minds.” Vs “Lean not on your own understanding.” 🤔
Another theist who is incapable of having a conversation. He said on multiple occasions “I’ll answer that but I have to say this first” then preach and not answer the question. Loves the sound of his own voice.
Russell's looks at 2:50 when caller says "I;m a critical thinker"
What does Steve mean by, “IF the Bible contradicts itself?” Like, how does a self-described critical thinker not realize that the Bible is full of contradictions?
But is it REALLY a contradictions that a donkey can talk when the Bible ALSO has a snake that can talk? That seems pretty consistent.
@@queuecee I feel like if animals could talk during biblical times, all the animals that Noah left behind would’ve screamed, “Build a bigger fckn boat, a$$hole!” 😂
Special Pleading. Moving the Goalposts. Mental Gymnastics. 😆
@@elisawhitman8526 Or. They could say, "why the hell are we getting punished for your beef with mankind?"
"But they aren't contradictions, they are mistranslations"
That's how my deluded kid sister tried to explain them away.😁😁
Steve is just preaching. "trUsT mE BrO!"
I'm so glad that they don't let these people prattle on and on and on like this anymore. Don't ever have these conversations with someone who isn't listening and responding to what you say. It's a complete waste of your time, and the tactic is to wear you down. Don't let people disrespect you like that.
I don’t get how people think this is convincing
@anubion42 I think a lot of theists wouldn’t find it convincing, but are so sure that their feelings of God are real that it doesn’t matter.
I think people overestimate how accurate their feelings are at leading to the truth.
On top of that, if you’ve built your entire life around something, and all of your community and family are so ingrained, it’s so hard to reconcile with the fact that it could all be false. It would be world-shattering for them. It’s pretty sad to be honest.
You'd figure that an all powerful being that invented all of the languages would be able to create scriptures that could be understood no matter what language they are translated into.
Even better, a perfect and all-powerful god would be able to create a holy text that even the illiterate can understand with a single glance.
Also, an all powerful god could have simply implanted the words of the entire bible in all our minds... so it can never get forgotten...
@@t800fantasm2 Nor would those words be up to interpretation. There would only be one sect of one religion.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Those people do have all kinds of miracles they claim. The illiterate being able to read the bible first glance would be a miracle.
A piece of advice to all theists out
there.
Nothing bores the shit out of an atheist more than sermons, testimony, personal experience and witness!
Don’t do do it … we don’t care!
Oh boy. That's 25 minutes and a whole lot of words to say "You're taking it out of context, bro".
Callers claims he’s a critical thinker while the first thing he says is literally a magical fairytale ffs 😂
Massive red flag:
If you’re an ACTUAL critical thinker, you don’t have to incessantly brag about being an astute critical thinker ffs.
OMG, he keeps quoting the Bible as if that's fact. Yet he said it's written by man and he's a critical thinker. ALL of that is nonsense and boggles the mind to hear it. This guy is indoctrinated and is about as critical a thinker as my orchids.
When theists claim that they are a critical thinker, they mean when they say how evolution can't be true because a rock did not come from a bang and man did not come from a mud puddle. That's their idea of critical thinking.
@@queuecee Good observation. So, in other words, what they’re really saying is not that they’re critical of their own religion, but that they’re critical of anything that refutes or undermines their religious beliefs.
This caller actually gave me a headache.
You know what they say. You'll know a leopard by its fruit.
The leopard doesn't fall far from the tree.
@@canderson5098Out, out, damned Spot.
@@brucebaker810that fell on def ears.
@@canderson5098 Pour some sugar on it.
@@queuecee Yall are hysteric.
Listening to this caller preach is like watching someone try to convince a cat to fetch-entertaining, futile, and a bit of a divine comedy! 😈🐱
At least watching cats is entertaining. Not so with this guy.
😂😂😂😂"the proof is in the pudding" what a clown
proverbs 18:2 says, "a fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in speaking his opinions."
did the caller actually ever answer phil's excellent first question ?
This is "special pleading" the phone call.
If this guy was really investigating the bible honestly he'd be an atheist by now.
Early Church fathers knew already that trying to use reason to prove the bibles veracity was a waste of time, evidenced by this extract:
Ignatius Loyola summed up the traditional Christian view when he said, ‘We sacrifice the intellect to God’ and Martin Luther was even more direct in expressing the view that ‘Reason is the Devil’s harlot’.
They were not wrong.
"I'm a critical thinker that's why I believe in talking snakes and talking donkeys😂
There’s no critical thinking with this person
I also like to tell you Spiderman is true. 😂😂
Critical thinking. = Criticizing that which you believe. Where did you learn it? When did you learn it? Is there any tangible evidence that supports what you believe? And a whole bunch of other thought processes that will take place after you answer the preceding questions.
"The sleeping giant of Christianity"? Yeah, it's been so quiet and just hanging around in the background for the last 2000 years....
Rambling, rambling at every opportunity about matters of interpretation of scripture, instead of bringing forth the external evidence they keep asking for.
It seems like Steve only “thinks critically” about stuff he doesn’t want to believe. And he only “asks questions” about facts that refute Biblical scripture or undermine his religion. In other words, Steve isn’t a unique, critical thinker. He’s a typical Christian.
If you have to keep arguing for 2000 years that something is true that's a good indication that it probably isn't.
As popularism was never a good argument my guy
@@MarkyMark1221neither is the Bible
@@georgeaguilar6996or maybe you just have really really crappy material and you're really bad at selling it.
@@georgeaguilar6996projection
holy shit. it's so annoying when they're asked a question and then they start spewing garbage for the next 5 minutes without answering the question
how is he even able to do that. how do you talk for minutes about nothing.
Christ said nothing (we have no audio recordings nor live witnesses from that time; no signed writing from any author named Christ).
At best, versions of the book in question, when translated into various versions indicate that others said that Christ said something 20 years before it was first written down in another language than would have been spoken by Christ, and the 3 other narratives reporting what others said that Christ said (which followed over the next 80 years - also not written in the language Christ would have spoken) all conflict with each of the others.
The bias going on in your brain is called "wishful thinking".
To test for 'wishful thinking', compare how you consider this writing to others that purportedly may be from Buddha or Mohammad, etc.
"I don't assume things...... except bible true"
"Not watching sports and cleaning my yard"..........
I though cleanliness was next to godliness.
Steve "I'm a critical thinker" Steve certainly is a critical thinker but not like us. Where we like to analyze claims & facts, steve likes to criticize anyone who doesn't believe in his fringed warped beliefs & his special book the bible.
Steve is sure that his biased approach to the Bible is the way to getting to the "truth."
Holy crap, they let him talk WAAAAY too long. Very rarely do I hear someone talk for so long while saying absolutely nothing of substance.
Let them talk enough they prove themselves wrong
I am a 78 yo male and I am happy everyday that I wasn't raised with that religious stuff, you know😂. What all religions have in common is WOMEN ARE OPPRESSED.
When a theist claims to be a critical thinker they mean they think everything the bible says is fact and everything that contradicts it is wrong, even the contradictions in the book are being interpreted wrong, I've heard that so many times.
100 denominations? Try 45,000. Inspired word of god? Pull the other one.
During the whole call he had a story to preach, just like the others he criticised. Right at the end they nailed him on Genesis, shame thet didn't do it at the start over the flood, exodus myth etc.
Steve, honey. Your religion isn’t special. Nearly ALL religions claim to be the word of the “one true god.” Nearly ALL religions claim that all the other religions are false. Entire wars have been fought between people who believe that their religious beliefs are right and their adversary’s beliefs are wrong. Countless people have been killed throughout history, because some religious group was convinced that those people were demonic, or wrong about God, or “worshipping the wrong way.” Steve cannot POSSIBLY know that his religion is correct. And the very idea that he thinks he’s a “critical thinker” is laughable.
The caller is full of ME and I. Very quick at setting himself above ordinary people, and lecturing.
Typical of people like this guy who think they have it all figured out... he won't answer questions
Jack in the beanstalk is true also...
Yep. There's known text about Jack climbing a beanstalk. It must be true because we know there was someone in the past named Jack and we know that beanstalks exist.
4:18 "can't think right now"
Dude, I'm pretty sure you haven't been able to think anytime in the recent past.
10:29 "a hunnert and six, or whatever, a hunnert and thirty-six different denominations" where in the ever-loving fuck are you getting that number? There are over 30,000 in the US ALONE
According to The Centre for the Study of Global Christianity, based in New College, the School of Divinity at the University of Edinburgh,
Estimations show there are a staggering 45,000 Christian denominations globally.
... and the REAL point was - step outside Christianity for a moment - what about ALL the other religious beliefs in the world (including the world's oldest mono-theistic religion... which is most certainly NOT Judaism).
When someone refuses to give you a straight answer to a simple question, you know they know they’re spewing nonsense.
"A lot of people don't want to believe the bible is true."
As a former Christian I wanted to and still want to believe WHAT is true. Whether that be the bible or anything else. This caused quite a bit of conflict during my time as a Christian. I was interested in finding out what the truth was and I was surrounded by believers that only wanted to believe that the bible was true.
Steve loves himself , does lots of talking and says very little ......yawn , you guys are too polite, I recommend reads the BROS GRIMM or Hans Christian Andersen , they wrote fantasy fiction too.
These type of Christians really seem bizzare to me because I will never understand why, just because a delusion is ( in some places) common, its still not considered a mental illness because just because its gets the label "religon"
Did he ever answer "heres how I originally assessed whether the damn thing has any truth at all"?
I caught that its America's book. And America is the super awesomest. So ipso facto, pudding tested..."
But other than that?
I'm so glad we heard the end of the story and learned that the wife was the ACTUAL creator of Christian Myth Busters.
That was extremely useful for the rest of the story.
I kept waiting for Steve’s critically thinking to manifest itself but sadly it never materialized. Kinda like his god 😒
If the guy tells the truth about himself, what a waste of his time.
"Members beyond the animal kingdom"? Plants?
Steve was long winded to say he knows the truth because he is a special thinker.
This guy is just proselytizing and these hosts just let him
slipping n sliding
I have evidence the Bible is correct! It’s the Bible!
At 15:27, the lady who’s husband died of a heart attack said that Steve was an answer to her prayers. I’m wondering weather she prayed that her husband not die from his attack?
Sounds like god didn’t want the Christian Mythbuster series to go ahead, or he wouldn’t have given the guy a heart attack in his 50s.
"I take these passages as true, as they are written." And, "we'll never know what was actually intended unless we've read them in their original languages, the Greek and Hebrew." So, what validates your prejudice is true, and what is unintelligible needs to be considered in the language of those that were "divinely inspired." 😂😂😂 GTFOH 😂😂😂
I miss these AXP classics.
I belive in Harry Potter because I read Harry Potter vibes
If you are a "critical thinker" and you just walk up to me and say "I believe in a god that can snap their fingers and create universes" and when I ask "and where did HE come from" and you of course answer with "he always existed", I am going to point out you are not a critical thinker.
This is the cosmology of David guy
What a talk-talk-talk-talker!!!!!
If I ever saw this guy watching a movie I'd ask him why he isn't letting the movie watch itself.
By 'critical thinker', he means 'repeater of claims in a book'. That's why he couldn't process the questions posed to him.
My goodness this guy likes to hear himself talk. Haven’t heard someone so full of himself in a long time.
Confirmation bias in spades.
A critical thinker!😂😂😂
First thing buy bull tells you is to be an idiot and knowledge is forbidden.