Caller: "I Can Explain Why The Bible IS Moral" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
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Valerie strikes me as someone who has never actually thought about their beliefs, never had someone object to them, and never had to say their position out loud, hopefully she has realized how bad her thinking on this is
Sorry o don’t mean to be unkind, but she sounds deeply unintelligent.
Like 90% of christians then.
@@Criticalthinking_ and the ones who have are doubled down and are apologists or rejected it and are atheists
@@Criticalthinking_ I go one step ahead and it is 99%?
@@yohanvasanth9733 atleast in the US 👌
She said the prison system is bad because prisoners get raped and beat up, but that she would be okay being someone's actual slave, even though a slave can be raped and beat up and there's nothing they can do about it
And also that whatever happens to us in hell is fine. Its justice. And the Mercy Exception was off the table. Because reasons.
_"I'm sorry if what I say sounds like what I mean..."_
THIS! 😮
I love the cognitive dissonance in this lady is just a:
“Oh honey…” level of brainwashing
How I Met your Mother fan?
@@pdoylemi you know I am but oddly enough I think I did that before to, maybe it’s a midwestern thing, my grandparents grew up in Pennsylvanian and that’s just what they said.
But maybe I use it more because of the show so chicken, egg kinda for me.
@@havinfunfallin9458
Interesting. I grew up in the Midwest too, Michigan, but didn't hear that much, but it does work.
@@pdoylemi hmmm I wonder where they got it then, I just got it from my grandparents and always thought that’s why cause they would say a lot of stuff that was none specific to a region, more to a time period.
Like cool cats and such
@@havinfunfallin9458
I am sure that at least some of them had experiences like you did.
Valerie says dumb things and then laughs about it. What a way to live .
A lot, a LOT of theists exhibit this behavior.
@@-D-I-V-A-I believe that which is believable.
@@-D-I-V-A- Why? Why should I do any of that?
@@-D-I-V-A- Even if your "god" revealed "him"self to me, I wouldn't worship "him". Fuck your god.
@@-D-I-V-A- I don't believe in the concept of sin, god, or an afterlife.
I'm so glad I'm not religious.
I can't believe I ever fell for this shit, but in my defense I was brainwashed from birth.
Hahaha😂...me too...just sounds exhausting
She sounds articulate and sweet but her opinions are awful. She's the perfect example of the damage religion causes in our world.
But thats your subjective opinion. Its not a scientific or rational fact that you can demonstrate. If I were to ask the atheists here why YOUR morality is right, you would appeal to a logical fallacy as an excuse. So you're just as bad.
@@Is-your-logic-validwhy is my morality good? Because its based on not doing things to people I dont want done to myself. Expose the fallacy.. Please
@@stevenswitzer5154 Thank you for your response. Now I can't identify a specific logical fallacy with what you said. But the opposite moral principle is just as valid as yours. "Why is my morality good? Because its based on doing whatever I feel like doing". (Not my personal belief, by the way). Both your excuse for why your morality is good and one of an opposite nature are equally valid.
If you can assume that your morality is good just because its based on treating others how you want to be treated, then the opposite morality is just as valid for whatever foundation they give.
Morality by definition, is nothing by ANY, and I mean any, sort of standard of standard of conduct made by a group or person. Look it up if you don't believe me.
This is why objective value is so important to make the difference between an invalid and valid ought principle. Even the jesus believers realize that, yet most atheists don't.
@@Is-your-logic-valid "Morality by definition, is nothing by ANY, and I mean any, sort of standard of standard of conduct made by a group or person"
So when did god send the update that made slavery wrong? He's very much okay with it in the bible, both the old and the new testament.
@@Is-your-logic-valid I honestly don't understand your point. Morality is subjective. It changes as we progress as humans. There's no such thing as Christian morality. The same book but morality is vastly different today compared to 200 years ago. It's also very different between countries and cultures.
We have gay priests and gay hating priests in the same denomination. They clearly get their morality from different places.
This may be too harsh for RUclips but the mind of religious ppl is where real depravity lives
It’s all the things they imagine other people are doing. Makes you wonder where they got those ideas.
The most evil people I’ve ever known were religious, regular church goers. They use their religion to absolve themselves and project their ideas onto others to feel better. The deeper into their faith, the more depraved they actually were
No, that’s absolutely true. I know people who say god protects and provides, but when asked “how”, their logic regresses to that of a 5 year old. “I just know it”, “I’ve felt his presence”, “I can’t explain it, it just makes sense”.
It’s devoid of critical thought, and gradually strips away humanity.
It rocks me to my core that I was ever that way...
Hey there, stop for a second and read this:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." ~ John 3:16
Life is too short to just throw it away. Live it right for God, love God, and inherit eternal life in God's kingdom ❤️. The new Kingdom will be free of the curse of sin (death, suffering, violence, disease, evil, etc.) A true, spiritual journey awaits you! 🕊❤️
I was a militant atheist for years and later dabbled in the occult. I never imagined I would be a Christian. I hated the religion. However, I had a supernatural encounter with Jesus that completely changed me and my life.
Nothing this world can offer you even compares to knowing Jesus. His peace, love, and joy transcends all.
Jesus Christ loves you, He is your Creator ❤️🕊🙏 Seek Him with a genuine heart and He will reveal His existence to you. The truth shall make you free, friends! (John 8:32) ❤️🕊🙏
"So instead of being locked in jail, being graped and beet up. You'll be locked in the home of the person you wronged, so that *they* can grape and beet you up."
Did I just hear that correctly. She would prefer SLAVERY over our current system
How convenient that the god believers that say that always think of themselves as the Master!! lol!!!
If they were actually enslaved, they would realize just how f'd up it is. They believe it is moral to beat a person, when they have never been beaten up it their life
Yes, because as the "Chosen of God", the Bible Babblers are inherently narcissistic, and thus DESERVE to be the masters.
The fact that she can sit there and say she is no different than anybody in prison when there are child molesters and serial killers in prison and she has done none of those things is fucking awful.
Yes, we are all human. Yes, we all have base instincts. No, we are not all depraved.
Also, that she needs religion & god not to go out and do bad things!
What a confused lady. Except she doesn’t know she’s confused.
She's not confused it's the complete opposite.
@@LoveGOD-oe6wjnope she's so confused she thinks slavery is moral.
@@lifeinthe80sYou must be a poe, nobody is that stupid.
@@lifeinthe80s
Theists so obsessed with people that don’t believe. So weird.
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
I had to rewind like 5 times when she said live on air that she would rather be a slave under the rules in Exodus. I'm absolutely bamboozled. Shit left me speechless....
I think Valerie values propriety, politeness, and appearing cheerful over real justice
A perfect example of how the bible can make good people believe bad things
One of the things I miss about the newer atheist shows is the laughter of the behind the camera people.
ITS A LAUGH TRACK
@@garthh7314 Really, I thought it was genuine mirth.
@@earlofdoncaster5018it's not a laugh track
It’s not a laugh track. There are people in the studio off camera, like the call screeners. Sometimes a guest audience.
@@garthh7314no it's not, they've shown the ppl there b4
Fun Fact: Valerie won gold in mental gymnastics.
You can’t explain why the Bible is moral because in order to explain that the Bible would first have to be moral.
@@grantsmythe8625so it has good shit and bad shit, like us, the humans. so there's nothing really divine about it. just a man made book, with its good things and its problems
@@grantsmythe8625 "Others, usually those wanting to kick the Bible down, will refer to only the references to violence while ignoring all references to morality and love."
AS compared to those desperate to believe the bible g0d exists who will refer to only the references to morality and love while ignoring all references to hatred and violence against the innocent.
@grantsmythe8625 "The good parts are real, the bad immoral rules are just poetry". You didn't tell me anything about the Bible but you just told everyone that you are a moral person in spite of the Bible, because you use your own brain to decide what not to follow. It's just a shame that you have decided to use your functioning brain to justify something immoral and irrational
As Carlin says, "It's OK to sell shit, it's OK to f*ck, so what's wrong with selling f*cking?"
You got spanked by Jim Castleberry.
@@EdithBromfeld
That goober? Hardly.
@@EdithBromfeld Aren't YOU Jim Castleberry? So you are just declaring that you "won" something?
Typical of a loser too afraid to face reality. Probably can't even call the show.
@@pdoylemi You got spanked. You ran away. You had no answers.
Don’t trouble yourself with insults from children, OP. Being called a fool by a fool by a fool is not a dishonor.
Prostitution doesn't ruin marriages, cheating spouses ruin marriages
And before any wombat says that they couldn't cheat if there weren't any prostitutes
My answer is
Go to any club on a Saturday night.
Exactly! Put the blame where it goes
Prostitution doesn't ruin marriages, wow, great moral standard to live by. Somebody give this man a Kit-kat bar.
@@lifeinthe80sna
@@georgeaguilar6996yes, thanks
Who hurt you?@@lifeinthe80s
Valerie: "I don't believe in capital punishment either"
Me: " Okay, good start. Surely this isn't going anywhere unreasonable or insane..."
Prostitution can save lives. If a disabled person can't find any intimacy, it can lead to crushing depression and suicide. However, if those disabled people can access intimacy in the form of paid intimacy, it can help them immensely and give their life happiness. How is that wrong?
I’ve even seen a show where a sex worker said that clients like these make her feel fulfilled doing her job, so it seems like benefiting all sides (including government that loots the tax rates lol)
@@ivandankob7112 exactly. It can be very beneficial for those involved and for society.
But it’s a false intimacy. Get a sex doll if having orgasms are life-saving. Stop making it into something it’s not. You want to pay someone to give you an orgasm? Fine, your life your business. As long as it’s consensual between participants, it’s no one’s business. Unfortunately, we live in the real world where sex trafficking is a thing, severe drug abuse is a thing, sexual transmitted diseases is a thing, murder and violence against the sex worker is a thing. Prostitution causes much more harm than any good because of the horrors sex workers suffer from. There is no “Pretty Woman” scenario for the sex worker. Even the very high end escorts have gone through a lot of crap in their lives to end up where they are.
That’s a VERY rose tinted glasses view of prostitution. It is like a Christian defending the bible because Jesus. Then you gotta smack them back into reality and say “slavery” “murder” “sexism” etc.
There are good bits to everything if you try hard enough. But some things, the negative aspects of it, FAR outweigh the good
Some disabled people don’t kill themselves because they bought sex. … How many women have killed themselves because they sold it? How many women were murdered because they sold it? And which one outnumbers the other one? I’d say prostitution has cost lives more than it has saved them
It amazes me how These people (the religious) don’t ever think to themselves- shit, am I the bad guy?
The indoctrination teaches them that they’re right and any evil they do or support is justified, and therefore not evil. The ones who question are silenced, punished, or leave
When you convince a person to accept absurdities, its easy to convince them to commit atrocities
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
@@-D-I-V-A- may the spaghetti monster bless your meatballs. And may the hungry be fed by his body. When you are ready there will be noodles waiting for you at his table. He believes in you and loves you.
@@-D-I-V-A-
They got you, did they.
I hate how Christian people try to say God knowingly designed us all from a perfect point of view but made us all very faulty and sinful
You was born as an Innocent
Baby and through your own
Free Will, have decided to do
Sin and Evil every single time!
Nobody forced you to commit
Evil or Sin you've always made
your own choices! *R E P E N T !*
@@-D-I-V-A-How do you say the things you say and not think that your beliefs are anti-human?
@@-D-I-V-A- I have never sinned or done anything evil.
@@-D-I-V-A-ever heard of "original sin"?
i wouldnt call putting the sewer exit next to the pleasure dome "a good design"
Says "as a matter of fact," proceeds to state an opinion.
"But the fact is, I believe...blah blah blah" How do they accomplish stating 2 exact opposites that can't exist together without it dawning on them in the slightest.
They are not just an electric monk (who can hold 7 contradictory claims at the same time), they are a video recorder which can record 24 channels in parallel not even caring about any of the content.
And where in the bible is the punishment for non-consensual relations with your money? Nowhere? Where was the punishment of that in the chattel slavery of the American South?
But in the prison system prisoners get beaten and r’ed? Holy …. that is some suicide cult level brainwashing!
I mean technically it is a fact that they believe, it’s just they don’t believe in a fact.
19:30 This is what religion does to your brain.
😂😂😂😂😂
My jaw was on the floor, and I’m dead and sad at the same time
religion is helluva drug x'D
How did you do this?
Heartbreaking what religion does to them. 😢
it is radically depraved that some ancient tribal mythology book convinced this woman that she is broken and needs some zombie to 'save' herself! she presented herself in a somewhat less that complimentary way the way her religion made her and intended her to be.
She sees herself as radically depraved
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
@@-D-I-V-A- why?
@@Doe174 So you could become
Totally Forgiven for all of your sins
against a Holy God & to receive His
Free Gift of Salvation & Everlasting
Life with Him in Heaven? You won't
wanna be thrown into some Burning
Lake Of Fire for ALL Eternity, Right?
@@-D-I-V-A- thats ridiculous.
This conversation, like most religious conversations, reminds me of a "bridge to nowhere." Regardless, I'll wager that religions have destroyed far more marriages than prostitution. Any takers?
Her mind has been absolutely poisoned. Almost impossible to believe.
Infinite punishment for finite crimes is merciful?
Only if you havs a warped notion of mercy
Well, if your moral standard goes above Romans chapter 1, then you might be off the hook, but I doubt it....... infinity punishment my friend.
@@lifeinthe80sYou get a job Richard! What a childish response. 😂
@@georgeaguilar6996you don't have a moral standard George.
You believe in divine command theory
@@lifeinthe80sget a life, Dick
@@georgeaguilar6996 Speaking of moral standards, George Aguilar asked "if God took out the cananites in the old testament, why is that wrong since they for 400 year burned children alive on the red hot iron hands of the idol Moloch" while George himself will not tell us why he chooses to worship a g0d that slaughtered infants to punish the parents.
I don't want to ruin it for anyone but the caller once more fails to prove that the bible is moral. It is if you exclude all the parts about genocide, murder, human sacrifice, forcing people to marry their attackers, slavery, etc. If you look for one specific quote from the right section and I terpret it right then pretend the whole thing meant that, then the book is great
I doubt anyone expected the caller to prove the unprovable
@joshsheridan9511 thats fair, however, it would make the show incredible if any callers actually thought about their argument from both sides before calling and had answers to the questions they are likely to get
@@danielconroy6695I think a lot of callers don't expect questions
Well, thats exactly what the whole problem is with religion. Is that they don't actually read the whole book. They take one little snippet out and use that to brainwash people into thinking its all good. Don't look at all these atrocities over here that we did in the name of our religion, just focus on this one passage and all that stuff goes away.
@@danielconroy6695 they try to stay to their script no matter what and just say that the arguments brought up against them are wrong because their book of fairy tales says so.
My best friend is getting divorced because his IT job takes up too much of his day. This lady is suffering from a huge dose of cognitive dissonance.
Wonderful example of congnitive dissonance, the disconection from what is considered moral and not is unbelievable.
@@lifeinthe80s I already have... Jesus if existed (no firm evidence of that has been presented)... Did not know me and there's no evidence of the truth in the god tale.
As a fictional character it's ok if he loves me... Gandalf loves you as well. Read the Lord of The Rings.
@@lifeinthe80s there is no evidence at all of the tale you are trying to consider truth. I'm not the one in denial here.
@@lifeinthe80s
Prove it.
@@lifeinthe80s I don't know if he ever existed at all, so that fact alone makes me doubt he loves me.
@richardkamanitz176 Jesus(if he ever existed) would be dead, so how would a dead person be able to love anything. Also, saying Jesus loves you to an atheist means absolutely nothing to them.
"There's no slavery in the bible. I did a study."
"Slavery is actually fine. I'll be yours if you want. At least it's not prison."
I love how she sees your points, but decides you're just wrong anyways. It's like listening to 2 separate personalities at the same time.
We should all welcome our newest troll richard kaminitz, who due to an unfortunate accident is unable to write more than a few words at a time, and rarely coherent, but he tries, a cheer for richard!
Yay Richard!!!
I feel sad for Valerie. I think she is likely actually quite a sweet lady who has been bamboozled by her indoctrination
We feel the exact same about you!
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
@@-D-I-V-A-Critical thinking is not indoctrination. In fact, it's the opposite, because it requires one to question dubious claims.
@@secretagent4610
It's too much to type about... But
if you'd be interested in chatting
personally, I'll text ya my nubner?
*ARE YOU READY, JUST SAY YES!*
@@-D-I-V-A- yawn. Provide a good reason why i should
@@-D-I-V-A- which gospel? Written by whom? How do you know it was written by them? Why should i put any effort into reading "the gospel"?
Im just waiting to get baptized on my death bed so I can be a horrible person my entire life with no accountability. 😂
Are you my Ex-Wife?
You can get baptized and call yourself Christian and still do the most horrible things and get into heaven. That's the reason why Jesus died on the cross so that Christians can get to heaven just by saying what a great job that Jesus did. This was a change from Judaism where you had to be good and follow the laws.
The secret that no Christian will say out loud is that their morality is ONLY to judge non-Christians. You can say that Muslims are pedos but won't mention church leaders who prey upon the young. You can say that lying is bad, but go to prison for fraud.
@@Waltham1892 🤣
@@hellboundTX333
What exactly do you have to
do to GENUINELY become a
Born Again Christian & know
that you're Saved from Hell?
@@-D-I-V-A-absolutely nothing, because your cult has no basis in reality and souls do not exist.
Almost feel sorry for this caller Being completely brainwashed by religion. I hope one day she can break free from its control.
Why? She definitely sounds happy!
@@-D-I-V-A-Ignorance is bliss.
@@-D-I-V-A- Happiness through lies is empty happiness.
@@reneoosthuizen9210
*Check-out this my Friend...*
*THE ATHEIST'S DELUSION,*
*Living Waters.*
@@reneoosthuizen9210
*Check-out this my Friend...*
*THE ATHEIST'S DELUSION,*
*Living Waters.*
been an athiest for most of my life, and one day one of my co-workers asked if i'd like a bible to read and i said "yeah i'd love to read it, i've never really had a chance to read one." never got one in the end, think i was too outspoken in my views
“Which one? the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Quran?”
“The one with Jesus”
It's not what you sounded like, it is what you believe
He also created homosexuality if you believe in him.. If he is so against it why create it ?
I read somewhere (and thought it was cute): Christian conservatives should be all in favour of homosexual marriages and the legalization of marijuana.....it says right in their book that any 2 men who lay together ought to be stoned...
She must be loved in her church. She's gentle, acquiescent, easily confused and simple. Perfect pew warmer.
This was freaking scary. A person so brainwashed by their religion she simply could not think rationally about it anymore.
I've met so many people like this and it's so sad. Sad to see what people have turned them into, and sad to know the harm they cause in other people's lives without taking any accountability.
Valerie sounds like a lovely person, and I'm sure that she is a wonderful mum/daughter/wife etc. She is just one of the brainwashed multitude who needs some guidance with her thoughts.
I have more sympathy for this woman than anger. She seems like someone who tries to be a good person but has been too brainwashed to be good, or at least say good things.
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
No different than Jim Jones' cult, or Charles Manson's cult. Sad.
@@-D-I-V-A- Go to hell!
It may sound harsh, but I think IQ level has something to do with this.
I think that a disposition toward unquestioningly being led by authorities is the main requirement.
That habit of thought can come about in people with a cognitive deficit, while others with an equally severe deficit manage to achieve a state of independent thought.
I'm thinking in particular about the adult daughter of a former girlfriend. The daughter tested at an IQ of about 80. She could read and write well enough to leave notes and follow simple instructions. She couldn't quite manage to live independently because she'd leave the stove on or let the bathtub overflow. She could recount stories and appreciate humor as long as it was at the simpler end of the range.
But the point is, she grew up in an environment which encouraged her to think independently. She ended up being a remarkably strong participant in social issues, unafraid to challenge politicians and other authorities once she felt that she had put together a strong argument. And most of her arguments were strong, rational, and backed by clear evidence.
That's the wonderful thing about reason and evidence. Anyone can apply them, provided they're willing. This caller was not.
We don’t really need to diagnose the callers with conditions that we don’t know they have when we already know they have a psychotic condition called religion.
No not IQ, "smart" people believe dumb stuff too
The interpretation of plainly written laws by this women is exactly why no justice system can be trusted with capital punishment. Imagine how many wrongful convictions and releases Valerie and 11 of her peers would be responsible for.
This is a really interesting conversation, fascinating listening
religion, the thought police! perfect description!
How can anyone not know about the immoral things in the Bible. Just knowing that the God of the Bible condones slavery should be enough evidence of the immorality of the Bible.
Most Christians never read the whole bible, they rely on their pastor / priest to cheery pick verses for them.
But you're misinterpreting!
You're taking it out of context!
But they were paid servants!
Slavery in the Bible is not the slavery you're thinking of!
You're a slave to your job and bills!
And my favorite dishonest Christian response: _(sound of crickets as they run away and ignore quoted verses)_
@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712People pretend that every verse has hidden meaning when they are often very straightforward.
@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 Slavery in the bible is *EXACTLY* the kind of slavery the OP was thinking of, namely one human being owning another human being as property.
Leviticus 25 (NRSVA)
44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.
45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and *they may be your property.*
46 You may keep them *as a possession* for your children after you, *for them to inherit as property.*
You really should read your bible before coming out to an atheist channel to defend when most atheists have read the bible and know it better than you do.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz Indeed.
Valerie, A few months ago a young girl of eight died in an earthquake. Now, she has to go to hell just because she was born in . . . Turkey?
And what could she do to prevent it?
You on the other hand, I'm
guessing is an adult! So for
you to get in God's Kingdom,
U must become Born Again!
Because you're not a Child...
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
@@-D-I-V-A- 🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂 why ,,,
@@-D-I-V-A- So, no answer to my question then ????
And giving yourself a Like, isn't it a bit childish?
@@MrCanis4So you could become
Totally Forgiven for all of your sins
against a Holy God & to receive His
Free Gift of Salvation & Everlasting
Life with Him in Heaven? You won't
wanna be thrown into some Burning
Lake Of Fire for ALL Eternity, Right?
How many circles can someone go in without believing it when it's pointed out to them that they're going in circles.
How can the bible be moral when did god give us morals when its written by man its outdated book from 2000 or 4000 years ago this dont make sense
It's moral, because everything God says is moral.
No need to think for yourself, the bible has you covered 😊
And a good Thursday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤
Peace Love Empathy From Australia.
@@lifeinthe80s Not true. Not even a little.
@@lifeinthe80s Beer is king 🙏
Exodus 21 is very, VERY clear. God is fine with slavery
Valerie is a true believer and is not capable of questioning her religious leader or the bible. That is the biggest problem with religion it blocks rational thinking.
Morality IS subjective. Even if a god does actually exist and sets a moral code to live by. It would be that god's subjective opinion of what's moral and what isn't. And as far as i'm concerned, the god of the bible can spin on it if it thinks i'm going to accept the moral standard it lays down in the bible. My moral standard is higher.
I can tell, you will never last in Hell!
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!!*
@@-D-I-V-A-Telling people they will burn in hell is evil. Don't say this to people.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz
I'm warning people! Which is Loving!
A theist telling an atheist they will burn in hell has about as much effect as a child telling an adult that santa isn't bringing them any presents this year.
I think the caller is used to telling people what they want to hear, and that's why her answers don't seem to be consistent with each other.
19:38 when I say I GASPED
Same, though it was more like a groan. I was not expecting her response to be that dumb. 😅
Dawkins writes of Winston's son, Randolph Churchill, being challenged to read the entire Bible in something like two weeks, and coming back saying "D'you know the Bible says _this_ , or just "Gawd, what a *_shit_* God is".
This call was WILD
She's so dishonest.
I can't tell if she's laughing or crying half the time lol
I think it was a nervous laugh
I laugh when I’m nervous. I also do it (giggle) to try and defuse situations. I see that trait of mine, in this lady .
When someone asks me a specific question about my beliefs or position and I _can't answer it,_ I immediately re-think said belief or position.
Theists largely lack this ability of self-reflection. It saddens me they just ignore the question and parrot talking points, unwilling to accept new conclusions.
@@lifeinthe80s Which Jesus? In America alone there are like 240.000 Jesusi. Which one of them loves me?
@@lifeinthe80s "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me." (Jesus in Luke 19:27)
There's no hate like Christian love.
"Debate over" indeed.
@@cy-one "Jesusi"!
You win the internet today!
@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 Dunno if it'd be the correct plural, but it felt correct. And funny. :D
She said she would be rather a slave than be punished with jail? She said if someone stole something etc.... but Slaves don´t become slaves because they missbehaved, Slaves get born into slavery or get abducted into slavery or whatever, beeing a slave does not mean they were free once and only turned slave because they did something bad. Those 2 things do not connect, reliogion seriously indoctrinated her beyond believe
I like this woman, she clearly hasn’t thought through a lot of issues but she’s listening and hearing ideas she’s probably never heard before. She seems to be kind and open minded but she’s learned a lot of bad ideas in her life. I hope she learns from this and changes, I think she has more chance than most.
Prostitution is evil, but slavery is just and moral.
Fucking. Yikes.
Best episode ever in many ways.
They definitely should get "fucking medals"
Why does a god who is purportedly the ultimate dispenser of justice condone the suspension of justice in exchange for loyalty? I don't understand why a divine being would ever suspend morality. If God's laws are perfect, then any breach of these laws would logically necessitate justice rather than mercy.
It stands to reason that God, being omniscient and omnipotent, would have established these laws with perfect foresight and intent. Why then would there be a need for forgiveness? 'Mercy' itself seems to be an acknowledgement from God that his laws are entirely capricious, and his punishments are excessive and overwhelming.
A truly just system would require the consistent application of morality, where every 'wrong' is met with a proportionate 'right' or consequence. Ultimately, mercy and forgiveness only make sense from a human perspective, where laws are imperfect and compassion is necessary. For an omniscient and omnipotent deity, these concepts should be unnecessary.
Valerie, bless your heart!
Not liking prostitutes and not liking prostitution are not the same thing. How can you not tell the difference between an action and a person? You do this all the time. And thinking it's a sin doesn't mean you want to control other people's actions.
Wow, that is one of the most fucked up things I've heard today.
How convenient that the god believers always think of themselves as the Master!! lol!!!
Valerie's voice is grandma.
Valerie's words are Hanibal Lecter.
Religion turns grandmas into monsters.
Valarie had me saying “Wow” out loud. Smh 🥴
Prostitution and cheating aren't the same thing. Plenty of singles who visit prostitutes. There are even examples of relationship where 1 of them is an asexual and approves of the other fulfilling their sexual need through prostitution.
Yeah, prostitution is cheating when you've agreed upon a monogamous relationship with the other person.
@@chethanburre6016Who is doing the prostituting here? Is the actual prostitute, or the customer cheating on his wife?
None of these people REALLY believe they are depraved, but it is a good excuse for them mistreating people they think are. And what does that even mean? She spoke of her thoughts - which is one of Christianity's biggest crimes - making a bad thought a crime. I recall the first days after I decided to divorce my wife, and I was awfully pissed at the time (for good reason I still say, even though we became friends again later). The 2008 crash had recently happened and I had already lost a bunch of money, and a divorce was going to slam me more. After watching "Forensic Files" one night, I briefly considered ways I could probably kill my wife and get away with it rather than lose my ass financially AGAIN. But I am not depraved because I did not and never would seriously consider it or actually DO it! But in my anger, the thoughts crossed my mind. Maybe SHE IS DEPRAVED because she seems to think she WOULD do something like that without her god belief. If so, I guess she is depraved.
*REPENT & BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!*
@@-D-I-V-A-Another drive-by preacher/commenter … 🥱.
If there ever is a panel discussion, Valerie needs to be on it.
When she's not talking about religion, her views are completely normal and rational. As soon as the question is applied to a religion context, she completely changes her position in favor of the bible. It's like she's physically incapable of disagreeing with the bible even though her own expressed beliefs directly contradict it.
Valerie has problems with reasoning!
All religious people are like that.
It's difficult ... but I always try to think/remember that christians are the victims here :(
Like any other victim of cults
I don't think prostitution fosters intimacy anymore than one would believe a one night stand offers.
I would support that kickstarter.
Valerie has reached peak density.
She sounds so sick....
Suggesting that there's nothing problematic about prostitution overlooks the harsh realities faced by many individuals involved in sex work. Significant portion of sex workers are driven to the profession due to economic vulnerability, substance addiction, or desperation. Impoverished areas also tend to have higher concentrations of sex workers, highlighting the link between socioeconomic factors and engagement in sex work.
When individuals hire sex workers, there's a strong likelihood that they're exploiting the desperation of those workers. While the engagement may be consensual, it's crucial to recognize that many sex workers might not choose this profession if they had better options available to them.
To illustrate, consider a scenario where someone who is vehemently opposed to harming animals finds themselves stranded on a deserted island. In this situation, they may be forced to kill animals for food to survive, despite their moral objections. Similarly, individuals may engage in sex work out of desperation or necessity, even though they would never choose it under different circumstances.
However, not all sex workers are in dire circumstances. Some may willingly choose sex work because they enjoy it or find it empowering. In such cases, I see no issues with it.
Leviticus 25: 44-46
Bibles' idea of "morality"
The bible is an immoral book.
@@lifeinthe80sit’s a fact it’s immoral book. Do you want to be my slave under rules of exodus 21?
@@lifeinthe80syou are confused. Bible is immoral. Fact.
@@lifeinthe80s Stoning a young woman to death because she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night is OK for you? Killing all the Midianites as well as their children but keeping the women who were still virgins for their own use is moral?
@@lifeinthe80sin any free mind that actually reads it... Unless you support girls getting their father drunk to have sex with him
@@lifeinthe80sSo you're ok with the Yahweh saying it's ok for his people to rape, kill (including babies), slavery, incest, etc. ? 🤨 Who's the delusional one here?
How close you would need to get to God for you to admit that you don't know what good is?(Btw this came to me randomly yesterday. )
It's the right thought. I would also question as to why people think God owes them good things.
I don't know if your thoughts are confused or if the way you express your thoughts in writing makes them sound confused.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Its a simple question. There is nothing confusing about it.
@@gandalainsley6467 How can I get close to something that doesn't actually exist? Also what does a g0d have to do with humans knowing what is good?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Whole concept of good and evil dies if there is no good and evil. It all becomes subjective.
There are plenty of stories in the Old Testament, like Jacob & Esau, Samson & Delilah, protection of Cain, etc. that have ambiguous moral lessons at best. How do we know what moral lessons to draw from those stories?
"He who is without sin throw the first stone." I like that one. Because it was added to the bible when copying an earlier version.😅
Valerie is one person who has never really thought about their beliefs in specific terms even just a little bit.
How can Valerie be comfortable that there IS a god when her own reasoning and with her own words she says when talking about capital punishment, "we can't quite 100 % accurately determine what's goin on" therfore she's against capital punishment. Umm, that's exactly the athiests position on yours and everyone else's god.
A sweet voice can't hide a bad heart forever.
@@dixersdc3963
"A sweet voice can't hide a bad heart forever."
I like that!
And God, being omniscient, knows the secrets of the heart.
Caller is proven demonstrably wrong multiple times and has a hard time accepting it.
Every time I hear a religious person talking about morality all I hears is "let me explain why bad things are good"