No The New Sword Is Not Overpowered (Probably)
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I can't wait for callouts like "The toothbrush killed me!" or "Watch out, there's a toothbrush behind us!"
To response or if you kill it: "i can brush my teeth by myself
Nikolinii ahh response
Holy shit it's suspicious temmie Mints behind me 😭😭
TEETH BEHIND ME
People when the weapon trailer designed to show the strengths of a weapon shows the weapon’s strengths
Real tho, biggest downside is the ink consumption
@@fantarat464 and range, ink consumption can be made up for with main ink saver, range can’t be increased like that
I appreciate the mentioning of how the splatanas aren’t the most easy to pick up and play weapons for people, because that is very true for me as I struggle with them. So the Mint seemingly being an easier to pick up and play with sword is really exciting for me, that and the look so cool!
i guess i'm kinda unique, then again i went from inkbrush to wiper so i think going from one rush weapon to something i use as a rush weapon is... yeah, pretty not hard
@@elicenyneWiper is not really all that hard, it has its lows tho. stamper is genuinely difficult on the other hand
@@helladiscreet i can definitely see why stamper is hard i cannot play that
I think the worst part of the weapon is honestly how if you mess up and dash slash on accident, you get sent FLYING into the enemy team with no way to cancel out of it, it's like zipcaster in that way, where if you zip too close to somebody but don't kill them you're locked into that decision, and it really acts as a fair counterbalance to how strong the slash is when you DO land it.
You can jump to be sure you don't dash, and as long as you don't hold far forward on the stick it shouldn't dash ever.
i gotta be fr. i think nintendo has done a REALLY good job of making the new weapons feel balenced and fair to fight against so im personally not really worried that its gonna “break the meta” or whatever people are saying on twitter.
They dropped the grizzco stringer in ranked bro but in all seriousness yeah it looks cool
I think you forgot 52 gal spammers
@@justapotato26777 52 gal was never a new weapon though
@@justsplatthey dropped it with stamp and wavebreaker to balance it out a bit but I think it’ll still do fine
Wat disappoints me is that non of the new weapons have came off as strong.
I'm sorry but they cuck these weapons too hard for me to give them a pass.
We cant even get sensible changes, like the endlagg removed off of dynamo/tenta so that you don't due just for engaging the enemy.
People are always scared of one shots and the video showing it off is made to show it's strengths so yeah something with a one shot that doesn't have an immediately noticable downside its gonna be assumed to be broken
People don’t like one shots because of how laggy the game can be, dying to essentially nothing only to be shown a one shot weapon that is no where close to you makes people annoyed.
@@0070Link *people don't like one shots because they can blame their own failings as a player on lag
@@theghostcreator776 u act like youve never died behind the wall to a charger
@@reti5828 i haven't. Maybe it looked like I did but to the charger they hit their shot. And that's what matters, the charger isn't having an easier time hitting you and you're not having a harder time reacting. It just looks like it so you get mad.
Except that chargers have been killing ppl near instantly with the most range in the game for 3 titles.
Mfw when the promotional video for the new weapon shows off its strengths and not its weaknesses 😮😮😮
Inconceivable
Truly the Painbrush of the Splatana's
It's more like a toothbrush but yeah
TENT + MINT COMBO, OPEN THE TENT AND LET THE MINT SHARK NEAR THE TENT
Competitive teams aren’t dum
@@greyiscarrot I know but I like to do this trick whenever I see a tent in solo, some ppl try to shred the tent and some not but still funny
@@greyiscarrot well yeah but the thought of it existing can be a great deterrent for anyone near it still
The moment i saw Mint I knew that they were gonna make it a practical sidegrade to Stamper because it seemed too realistic for them to somehow make a weapon stronger than Stamper in power and versatility, but also make it have the same feel as stamper in most cases
Calling it, decavitator players are gonna be big money for lower level teams searching for new members, a big support weapon is huge imo
I'll edit after watching the video:
I don't see it being better than Stamper. Not having zip, not having the vertical for ledge peeking, not having instant aoe without line of sight, makes it significantly weaker at play making and displacement than stamper, which is a big part of why you pick the weapon to begin with esp in pencil meta
For that reason I think under the BEST of circumstances, it'll still be worse than Stamper assuming a high skill level. At lower skill levels, this weapon pulls ahead bc that charged slash is just nasty
This is a very map and meta dependent weapon with map and meta dependent kits that just aren't as flexible as Stamper
It's still a very good weapon but it's not overpowered
Edit:
Yeah I agree with the range assessment as well. I think it won't matter most of the time but stamper is just so good at shutting down pushes while the enemy team is setting up and range/the bomb combo plays a major factor in that. Another tally for stamper tbh
I hadn't considered it as a paint support but rather an enabler for your frontliners that is also a frontline weapon itself since it can get around well on its own.
I think i see the playstyle different from how you described it but i think functionally the idea is the same in that it's not going for crazy picks or plays like stamper will
Yeah im not confident in the playstyle yet til i get a feel for it in matches but I agree w ur assesment
Honestly even if the weapon turns out to not be the best it'll prob still be really fun in casual
@@MaeIsOkay hard agree, it looks great to play and i think that's more important than meta relevance
Tbh I think decaviator is gonna have a similar ideology to dread where it fights and uses AOE for the team a lot but when it needs to paint it paints.
I don't think It will be playing support a lot bc of the massive ink usage(unless it has a 190p jetpack I don't see the kits playing for special because of the downtime. Instead it will probably fight and paint a bit so it can chain specials into pushes)
As a dynamo main, I graciously donate my vertical flick to the Mint Decavitator for their pleasure.
Accidental vertical swings are the worst. That said, I'm looking forward to the Decav since it seems to have the kind of supportive but powerful playstyle that I like (e.g. Dynamo, pain, and dread).
Nuh uh :)
Me, an Octobrush main: *Nervous sweating.*
hey i just noticed 1:17 that thing didnt even one shot recycle with its CHARGED slash. stamper one shots it with a horizontal. This means either this sword has quite low object damage, OR they buffed recycles shield HP
a splatana that's more supportive is such a cool idea. this is like my dream weapon man i can't wait to use it
I'm glad you brought up accessibility as a factor in this weapon. I've played both Wipers and Stampers up to one star freshness and had a miserable time because those weapons are so difficult to use effectively. I couldn't get a hang of them and it turned me off from the whole class. Mint on the other hand looks like a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to try it out!
Something else worth noting: it seems to have lower object damage multipliers than every other splatana (at least on brellas). One charged projectile would be enough to destroy a recycled's launched shield in one hit on any other sword since they have a 4.8x multiplier but decav needs a charge plus uncharged hit to destroy it. Its multipliers against other objects are probably also lower
Or maybe they finally realised that their mad object damage should only apply on contact and we'll get multiplier nerfs next patch.
Doesnt vertical stamper shot also not oneshot launched recycler brella
Imagine if Stamper was released today and people saw its ohko and 2hko and very little else.
I think a lot of weapons are capable of killing the toothbrush during the charge slash just because of how delayed it is. Not the easiest thing, but some very satisfying counterplay.
we shouldn’t be worried about the big hit box when splat roller exists
i've had a splat roller miss me point blank, head on before, trust it is NOT as big as you think
like i mean they were looking dead at me, pixels away from me, and i lived
What people are missing... there are a few instances in this video that the slash goes out depending on where the camera is looking instead of where the inking is looking and you can do this correction mid animation.
So if you do make the slash and see someone to your sides, the strike goes where you're looking at by the end of the animation. So it this will be considered a tricky weapon.
It would be a nice test to have one person standing far away on a side and someone right in front and check if you can like hit both players on a single animation.
Edit: Also, it seems at close - mid range the shot itself can one shot you. Not the hit of the weapon.
You can even see the toothbrush player in the wellstring demo video accidentally charge slashing too far and going completely past
I still find it incredibly funny that the second kit for decavitator has the same color scheme as johnny from guilty gear. I'm gonna have to do a combo video with this weapon synced up to Johnny's theme from guilty gear strive
After getting too much attention for most of the series, im happy to hear that other weapon classes are beginning to push shooters off
The max range may be less but the range of the one shot is actually longer and obvsly wider than the other swords, and def farther back than where like V Roller needs to be since that has a similar width hit box. When it directs the bambrella, if you tried that on roller that's a 2 shot at least from where they're standing. But yeah it struggled to get that guy on tower.
the hidden downside of this weapon that no one will feel until like 2 months in is that people will learn to flick you even at a slight off angle. your options to get the insta kill dash against a good enough player is to shark them at a 90 degree angle and these maps do NOT allow that at all.
Goodbye Dread, hello Decavitator
Why do I want to eat the Toothpaste on the Mint Decavitator?
(I was Team Mint Chip btw)
I miss torpedo Chara. He was just a little guy.
4:06 why does it kill slower than stamper? I get the ink efficency but it looks like it's charge time and projectile speed are pretty much the same. I would even say kill time is better on this one since hitting with charged vertical shots is more difficult and you are more than likely to miss some, while in this case you don't have to worry about that since it's more consistent.
It's charge and attack speed are slower
@@chunkymonkey7983 no? at least it doesn't look like to me
@@Zefiro151 but it is, you cant just trust "look like"
I'm not sure that's how kill time is discussed for the second part
@@modelingcloy218 source???...ok no I belive you it's just strange to me, I honestly don't see that much difference.
Are you going to use the new sword
Chara said that he would try it out but isn’t sure if he will really play it in comp in a different video
Ye
Yes, thanks for asking me specifically
I just seems fub
It's really frickin cool, so yes
It’s just like Big Swig. I get a big hitbox, but not a lot of damage.
Kind of a weird comparison to make considering sword is a lot better at fighting and is ink hungry.
Looooool yeah right. This does way more damage, and the one shot is so much easier than a vertical melee big swig
@@BigPro1123 I meant that a big hitbox comes with some downside(s).
What annoys me is it seems to be the same speed as a flick from normal roller except the damage is actually consistent. I mean really the reasons to pick roller are becoming even smaller
Dynamo Rollers will understand the pain of and importance of main saver with this it seems
i think this weapon is similar in a meta stance to the painbrush, it probably won't break the upper 25% of gameplay but for causal players it's a nightmare
If midline-centered metas truly are the best ones then having another strong, but not overpowered option to push the game in that direction can only be a positive thing
Kinda what I've been thinking about since the showcase video came out, I feel like this kinda is the clash blaster of the class, but to a way lesser degree, and also it's still the splatana class so it's not gonna be unga bunga, but at lower levels, people will complain about it, while at top level it'll be healthier.
I'm glad that it can support and playmake a bit more as well, and I'm really looking forward to both kits, although the jet one especially, I dropped ballpoint a while ago so I haven't been playing jet for a while, and now I can actually enjoy myself doing so
So….. is wiper still viable?
I’ve been playing since it was d tier, and it just feels nice to me, but I don’t want to get stuck one-tricking an only mediocre weapon.
Imo, it is map and mode dependent. If you wanna compete and play at the very top level, wiper is not worth playing in zones, and ultra stamp needs some serious buffs to make the wep a viable frontline. Wep stats are insane and torpedo is hella nice, but there are more consistent options right now
i appreciate the vanilla decavitator because as a jr. main, im not afraid to admit that they basically gave us a version of jr. that (still) may not be able to fill a slayer roll, but at the very least can skirmish a tad bit better and defend itself easier
to reiterate what Chara said, while decavitator’s kill time/potential isnt the quickest/highest in comparison to other splatanas, i still think in 8 out of 10 cases it’s a step higher than jr. (whom i love) and thats enough for me to dedicate myself to maining it next season
I'm noticing two levels of charge slash in the video that I don't see anyone talking about, holding it for a bit charges it, but there's a further charge level with a flash and a sound effect that supposedly does something different. Maybe more damage? More range? Wider hitbox?
I literally thought of this weapon as a 3rd splatana weapon before it was announced. The large ink trail, charged horizontal, and long dash. But I crossed it out of my head cause I thought it would be too broken. Now, here we are.
Got a cavity in one of my back teeth years ago that was so painful and large I couldn't chew on the right side of my mouth for a couple years. Had to get a root canal for it (they drill into the tooth and cavity itself to open it up since it's too big for a filling)and now have a silver tooth. Luckily it's a back tooth so people can't see it and I don't asked about it. Dental hygiene is important, those two years were miserable having a constant sharp pain in my mouth.
the dread and slosher comparison is SO smart and true
That blade is going to go very well with the ink saver build I got
I really want to see the right side slash of the Minty Acheron sword
Despite the inevitable nerfs, and downsides like ink consumption, I will still love this weapon because of how fun it is. Passion can be better then meta imo
I’m pretty decent at splatana wiper, but I tended to play supportively rather than as a slayer. This looks perfect for me!
Everyone better be cosplaying Jetstream Sam with this sword
I wonder if mint can shoot around corners like other splatana can shoot around ledges
idk why but I keep comparing it to big swig since they have both have wacky ranged hitboxes and one shot potential. Perhaps this weapon is meant to assist in team fights instead of being a 1v1 weapon like the other 2 splatanas, maybe this can be a splat roller trade for people who wants a weapon that can fight in bubbler well but can also actually poke outside and still do some damage
Woo more weapons. It looks good though
I honestly was kinda worried new sword was gonna be the next clash blaster with how wide the slash hitboxes are
Regardless of if it's good or not, this weapon is gonna be really fun
I still swear the charge slash has wider paint then the normal slash
This is just convincing me once again that Stamper is what needs a nerf lol. Its range and use cases are insane. This is like the “easier” but less good version
Does nobody notice that Lumeria Hub is a double zone map?
Why do the swords have so much range, why does stamper outrange squiffer
Funi
Stamper has a better effective range than Jet Squelcher. Let that sink in.
Cause wiper is the short range sword and stamper is the mid line sword.
@AquaQuokka man that's crazy
@@unluckify1yeah but isn't JetS a backline
I've been waiting for this video😂
Where can you see the amount of times a weapon has one in the random weapons challenge?
stat.ink/entire/event3?event=3&schedule=10
I love using dread wringer as well
What does roller do against this 😭😭
Well at least in solo que it will at least be higher up. I am still hoping for squiffer with a bomb and kraken.
>It's got about the range of .96 Gal
...In what is essentially a roller with no damage falloff, no commitment, quick slash for mobility and range and a dash to gain ground on opponents in ways literally nothing else can. It's going to be an absolutely insane 1v1 weapon with the advantage states it seems to exhibit. And it's an excellent inker to boot! Imagine if something like H3 was this effect-dense, even in its prime when it was one of the best mains around it could do less than this thing with more effort than this thing.
Funnily enough, I feel like it's gonna get hard countered specifically by Squeezer. But so are a lot of other small to midsize slayers.
i dont think its gonna be that good, people are gonna complain for the first week because its a new weapon, but it cant ledge peak like stamper and has shit ink efficiency.
@@HeDronHeDronHedron peeking will find a way, there's nothing really special about it from technical perspective and many other guns can do similar things (obviously things like shooters do it less effectively because of continious firing), but even if not, it's still got a lot of blatantly overtuned qualities.
Nevertheless, I feel like it'll be in the exact same spot Wiper and Ballpoint are now, a powerful weapon with big strengths that is nevertheless not a common pick solely because the rest of the meta is hostile to it. Stamper can not just coexist with but outright dispose of both Snipewriter and Squeezer, Wiper can coexist and Ballpoint can't even do that, and I feel like Decav will join them in the camp of "will be much stronger when/if they nerf the odd two out mains and specials into the ground".
@@TheLaXandro yeah i think it will be good but not like pencil good. i dont think anyones gonna be saying "Well I could pick X but decavitator can easily destroy it". They could completely revert ballpoints rng nerf, nerf pencil, and it wouldnt even be that broken. I think decavitator is gonna be the same
Is... this the first ever weapon that can *left side* peak?
This weapon is gonna be gas in SR
I think this weapon will play more like a roller, with less sharking under ledges and instead sharking around corners.
Rollers do shark under ledges, though, since their hitboxes can hit pretty well over them.
@@freuner-merris Yes, exactly. My comparison was that, unlike a roller, which primarily sharks under ledges, since the charged slash is horizontal, this sword's strength will come from its ability to "shark" (peak) around corners and cover.
6:14 thank you chara now a few people might actually realize octobrush isn't skilless omg
The thing that I’m going to hate is a lager hitbox with a one shot all the laggy kills this thing is going to get is going to make me mad. I already hate blasters and chargers for laggy unjustified kills and now this. Can’t wait to swim out of its range only to still be killed by it.
??? Wiper was first. It was showcased in the Direct and was the only sword available on the World Premier.
We have datamined info in the games earliest version (1.0.0) stamper exists and wiper doesn't, which includes when they were designing the alterna levels. Wiper was prolly added and shown first over stamper because of how hard it is to use. Every base weapon in the class is made to be an introduction to it and statistically in events like the random weapon challenge, stamper has crazy low win rates.
The version of the game we have on launch is NOT 1.0.0, wiper is the light version of the weapon but it was changed to be the first one you unlock.
This is also why Stamper is the default Splatana in Side Order.
My whole point about that statement was to talk about why the devs prolly wanted to add an easier splatana to the game and why I think its a good idea.
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It’s definitely going to be a slow TTK compared to many other weapons, but I think it’ll be hard to deal with solely because of that ridiculous paint output it has
I love the lack of rollers in the discussion.
This is what rollers were meant to be, this is a powercreep to all rollers
Not really, rollers were not in discussion because this weapon class does not compete with them, especially this one. Rollers are good at ledge peaking and sharking which is not how any of the splatanas play. This weapon is most similar to dread a slosher, wiper to inkbrush, a brush, and only stamper is most comparable to a roller being carbon deco. And carbon deco has been fine in comp alongside this weapon since its release. Rollers will be totally fine.
This looks like the thing that would be really good in solo q but horrible in comp
8:26 Doesn’t it have a suction bomb?
Anyone gonna talk about splatana wiper
ok but do we really need more counters to short range weapons
poor poor short range weapons poor low tier vshot warriors
Im at a dilema on whether or not i should play decavitator or custom range blaster as a new main. Help 😫
Why not both?
Because too much grinding having to play both especially since they play differently
So it's the latest noob slayer?
roller but its longer
Yesn't, it's still gonna be your usual progression curve with ups and downs, lower players will learn to hold on to dash slashes anywhere with 0 awareness and also not try to hit people in such a manner as well
So this weapon has good teaching potential in my opinion, though I SINCERELY do hope people won't start saying "STOP USING THE DASH ALTOGETHER" a bit after release because this tend to be a trend in games for options like these, when they still have utility
I think this weapon is meant to be an easy sword for newer players. Looks to have a lower skill floor and ceiling, making it satisfying and easy to use at shorter ranges while at the same time not being as flexible as its wiper and sword siblings. This thing is good at fighting midline’s on ground level, but if you change height slightly it definitely struggles.
Ultimately, I’m glad there’s a splatana that is meant for weaker players. It’s like tri slosher or big swig, not meant to be the absolute best but can still be fun and even used situationally at higher levels because of their consistency.
My issue with it is that it still basically outclasses rollers.
roller ledge camps and sharks which does have aoe and ledge camping, this weapon does not, they do not compete with each other and in fact this wep is prolly a p good teammate for most rollers since it paints lines for them.
I love support weapons
Still looks beginner friendly that was put in 2 years after release lol
Honestly I disagree. I think that the new kits will enable it to approach and deal with midliners it would usually struggle with. It's got incredible paint output as well, meaning it will get a lot of inkjets and bubblers. I can see it's downsides, but ledge peaking is map dependent and it's ink efficiency can be alleviated with Ink saver main. I see immense potential with this weapon.
its probably good but not broken. i still think this is gonna be a heavy edit situation where people find out the weapon isn't bigswig levels of shit so they whine and cry for nerfs until someone actually figures out how to beat it
Thank god they didn't give this thing zooka
why does wiper have longer range than splattershot tho
because itd suck if it had vshot range
because its kill time is very bad so it plays around range and mobility to win fights
It's odd seeing the community reactions when weak vs. stong kits/weapons are put in the game. People will always complain about something. Best you can do is just to play the game and enjoy yourself, no matter what anyone says
12 days late I have probably 200 kills
“the main example is jr.” bruh .52 is RIGHT THERE
Cant wait for this to age like milk
Idc it looks cool
I’m just another hopeless Tent main lol
op or not she getting 5 starred by me that's all i know
Hopefully no smash 4 bayonetta
I don't think there will ever be anything that broken in a multiplayer Nintendo game ever again.
I could have SWORE wiper was first not stamper, am i going insane?
It was first, they just showed off wiper first
iirc stamper is listed first in the code and I think that’s why people say that
@@cosmy no its because it literally was made first, its in the story mode too, but not wiper
My own reasoning is that, Judd pretty much hints at it iirc. At the beginning of the game, I used to talk to him, and when he introduces a class to you, he then mentions its main/flagship weapon. He mentions Stamper for the splatana class, and I believe even says it's the medium version of the class, but I haven't checked since, which is almost 2 years, so take it with a grain of salt @@cosmy
@@cosmy ah
why are you like that? xD
No rusher saw this video and got concerned. Plebians ruin games, so many more weapons in this game could be powerful if it werent for "balance"...
(Except in the cases where the player base is full of normies maining the same type of weapons available in any shooter, which by default demands that class be generally stronger to be viable more more numerous and even less talented players)
Ive given up hope that any non shooter would stand out or even worse, drive the meta. Machine had a good run for what it was worth.
(And i also dont include much nor concern myself with competition. For +95% of the player base the "proffessional" tier meta will never matter to us normies.
It not being meta doesn't mean it's not gonna be a chore to deal with. Seeing such a big hitbox just discourages me from playing short range cuz why make the effort of learning to aim when shit like this exists lol. A dualie's dodge roll might not be enough to escape its one shot range.
Of course people are freaking out, the game is already full of weapons that one shot you, which at it's core is just unfun.
And yeah this'll struggle against higher range like every goddamn short range because of map designs and balancing issues. The thing is the part this weapon's good at looks so easy to achieve compared to the others.
"wah wah i cant adapt"
also i dont think youve played splatans if you think they're easy
@@HeDronHeDronHedron I didn't say splatanas were easy though, i was talking about this particular one. I am admittedly not the top 1 splatana player but i do pick them up from time to time and while they're not baby easy they're definitely not hard.
The post above was moreso about big hitboxes that immediately kill you in general and why people get apprehensive looking at this. If you faced early SP1 dynamo you'd know what i'm talking about
@@akety3570 i mean annoying is subjective
@@akety3570 this is just gonna be a heavy edit situation
weapon comes out, is not immediately bottom tier
community whines and cries for "EMERGENCY PATCH"
some guy who doesnt use r/saltoon develops counterplay
noone cares until next non trash tier weapon comes out
inb4 the main weapon is nerfed to shit. Sorry if yall wanted it to be busted but even if its dogwater, just looking at the charged shots screams “nerf my hitbox size please and thank. you”
Chara, im sorry, but I like Wiper better than stamper, because i feel like Stamper is a bit to slow for my ADHD self, I'm hoping that the MintD is a happy middle ground between the 2