Sonic being stronger than Shadow is so not true. And Shadow calling Sonic the ultimate life form is a dubbing error. Plus, I think Silver is more inspired by Cable from MARVEL comics. Being inspired and being a ripoff are two completely different things.
@@callumcrane241Shadow literally always fights Sonic with a chaos emerald or something and yet he always loses or the winner is ambiguous. And Shadow in Sonic Battle literally admits Sonic is superior to him.
Just to spread somore awareness, Sonic's design mentioned in the video was the modified western design by Greg Martin. Sonic's original design was from Japan, and was changed during the localization process. It was the base for Toei Sonic in the Sonic CD intro. That said, Sonic CD would likely have been many Americans' introduction to the more standard Sonic design during that time period, so the confusion is completely understandable. All in all tho, sick vid! I actually never truly understood all the discussions, but this was informative!
Fiction was always inspired by other fiction, since the dawn of storywriting. Inspiration =/= ripoff If it was the case, then Goku would've ripped off Sun Wukong at the beginning of the Dragon Ball, and by the start of Z, he became a copy of Superman.
Thanks for clarifying this that yes. Inspiration is different from ripping off. Inspiration is looking at something and taking ideas from it while not making it a 1 by 1 copy, more than likely will be different to it's original counterpart in some way. Ripping off is straight up copying someones homework on paper. In this case say if the chaos emeralds granted wishes instead of the form itself and you could argue the super form is a rip off however it also works differently from super saiyan and as of frontiers and a few other games has an entirely different moveset.
The answer is no. While there are similarities, like Silver, the Chaos Emeralds and Super Sonic. They aren’t direct copies. Even Shadow and Vegeta aren’t direct copies. If you look at Shadows backstory he has amnesia and is trying to get revenge by destroying the world. Shadow wants to destroy the world because he thinks that’s what Maria wants, Vegeta wanted to destroy earth because he wanted the Dragonballs. There’s no deep reason why Vegeta wanted to do this other then to defeat Frieza. We see at the end of SA2 Amy begs with Shadow to see the good in humanity and give them a chance, Shadow remembers what Maria ACTUALLY wanted and it was to protect humanity. Shadow goes super to help Sonic stop Space Colony Ark and dies in the process asking if Maria if he fulfilled her wishes. Vegeta is nothing like this, even when they are fighting Frieza, he wants revenge because Frieza killed the Saiyans. After when Frieza is dead we see Vegeta is still cold hearted and doesn’t really care for anyone, when we get to the Buu arc Vegeta grows and cares for his family and the earth but this is in an entirely different way then Shadow. Shadow went from a complete nihilist to a hero in the span of one game. This isn’t even mentioning Shadow the Hedgehog where we get the most insight on his character.
@@Codyiguess And Z pulls even further from American comics like DC and marvel. Cell is basically super skrull/super adaptoid, black arc was borderline superior spidey's arc, etc
@@chriss.249 exactly! Which, not to say it’s not a good idea to be inspired! Cells a Greta character, but people shouldn’t act like dragon ball is some kind of original creative brainchild.
@@Codyiguess Yeah, I'm pretty sure toriyama got the idea of trunks from terminators John connor too. The androids as well. Yeah it's never a bad thing to be inspired by the works around u.
There’s a difference between paying homage to or being inspired by a piece of media, and ripping it off. People who say sonic is a rip off of dragon ball don’t understand what that means.
usually Dragon Ball fanboys or anybody who hates Sonic says it's a rip-off of Dragon Ball, but anybody who knows Dragon Ball knows that it is directly inspired by Journey of the West and comic book characters.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Yep and he even drew goku wearing the journey of the west outfit its even in Xenoverse 2 Plus gokus hair is inspired by Astro boy and Mickey mouse but i might be reaching
@GokuBlack.. a lot of it true, but there are some things in DBZ and in DBS that are quite similar or stuff that already happened in the comics. And not everything about Super is original, they keep rehashing movies and storylines.
I like both and even I know there's a difference between copying and inspired by, you wouldn't call JuJutsu Kaisen a direct tipoff of YuYu Hakusho now would you?
a dragon that can give you power and way more stuff then the chaos emeralds and belive it or not super dragons can just give you universe eleminating powers and also you can basically wish for chaos emeralds and chaos powers
Bruh Chaos diamonds and Dragonballs have nothing in common plus The Chaos diamonds are way more similar to the Infinity Stones from The Marvel cinematic universe franchise than the Dragonballs
Sonic isnt a ripoff of holy but rather (with a quick google search) super sonic is a homage to dragon ball z. And some sonic games are inspired by holy but none are really ripoffs. HOPE THAT HELPS
There are stupid dragon ball fans who say sonics a rip off but still not knowing what the definition of rip off means (Also side sentence) shadow and vegeta are not alike at all maybe they both are evil in the first introduction but they have different back story’s Leave my boy silver alone 😭
Why does Tyrecordslol always gotta disrespect Silver? I mean I like both characters, but the way he said Silver "copied" Future Trunks is kinda disrespectful because Trunks himself is inspired by John Conner from Terminator and Cable from Marvel.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Just accept the fact, Shadow and Sonic are very similar to Goku and Vegeta. Only Sonic fanboys can't stand the FACT that Sonic is HEAVILY inspired by Dragon Ball.
@@RiasGremoryS54 I'm not a Sonic fanboy. Maybe you Dragon Ball fads can't stand the fact that DBZ characters are rip-offs of other characters and they get stomped by them too. If anything, Sonic is more like the Flash, and Shadow is like Mewtwo or Spawn.
For me, Silver is similar to Trunks but isn't much of an exact copy or inspiration. 1. Silver came back to the past timeline because the antagonist of 06 (Mephiles) told him to do so. Trunks however just decided to do that. Another massive difference is that Silver's purpose during 06 was to kill Sonic, the protagonist, but Trunks went to the past to help Goku, who is also a protagonist. 2. Trunks isn't seen mostly in the present timeline as he is supposed to belong in the future otherwise he could potentially ruin the whole db timeline. Except for Silver, he is always present in the present timeline ever since 06 and it doesn't seem to be messing up Sonic's timeline at all. 3. Number 3 is a pretty obvious one. Silver can use telekinesis and can glide in the air at times. Trunks uses his sword and flies around most of the time. This is a big difference that many leave out when talking about this. Nobody sees Silver with a sword and neither does anyone see Trunks move objects with the power of his hand.
You're right but I wanted to mention a point in the case where Silver's purpose was to kill Sonic (*whom he thought was Iblis) I think it's similar to how Trunks went to the past in Dragon ball super and woke up and saw Goku and tried to kill him thinking it was Black Goku, yeah the situations aren't the same but it's similar to how both were tricked to thinking other people were their enemies
@@جَنَى-م3ب i can see that but a major difference is that Silver got tricked by a person to kill Sonic, whilst Trunks had his mind fool him into thinking that Goku was Goku Black since they are similar.
After hearing his other arguments on why sega didnt copy dragon ball, I was ready to be disproven and told that silver wasn't a copy of trunks...only to hear that he argreed with me and I honestly felt so dumbfounded lol
@@chinlota682 Silver is clearly inspired by Future Trunks, he's not a rip-off. In other words, that like saying Future Trunks is a copy of Cable because he is inspired by him.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. The Sonic franchise does have a few inspirations from Dragon Ball, and denying that is just being in denial. BUT, there's exist a huge amount of differences to the point the similarities are pretty far and in-between. Silver was inspired by Trunks. I'm pretty sure there's even an official source for that. However, the two characters are drastically different. Trunks is basically just a regular saiyan. He's from the future, but he's no different than say Goku and Vegeta...just weaker. He's experienced and confident when we first see him. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it...when others don't get in his way. Silver is a hedgehog, but he's completely different from Sonic and Shadow. He doesn't even share their moves, instead having his own unique fighting style and set of abilities. Silver is a naive boy who got nervous when Blaze wasn't around the first time they got separated. He's lost, unlike Trunks, he didn't go back to save the hero. He got manipulated and went back to kill him. The two only share the "destroyed future from a threat and goes back in time to stop it". But their deeper purpose, personalities, comparison with their peers, and so forth are just too different to call Silver a clone.
@AndreLuiz-dz6ps What abilities does Trunks have? Looking through the entirety of Z and Super, he's barely any different from Goku and Vegeta. Sometimes, he uses his sword, I guess? But his core fighting method is pretty much 1:1 with the other saiyans. Ki blasts and physical attacks with no real unique gimmick.
Another big difference between silver and trunks is how they're usually presented. in vs shows like death battle, you guys know the xeno vs archie one? Well, it's basically a fight between strongest offense vs strongest defense. Trunks has the upper hand when he's up close. Same with Silver when at a distance. Ofcourse, silver can slip pass trunks while trunks can power through. Trunks has fighting edge, while Silver has the environment. And that's kind of what dragon ball and sonic the hedgehog is all about. One franchise is good for the superpowered fights and beat 'em ups, while the other is good for using environment and traversal. It's probably why don't see much strength feats coming from knuckles when compared to sonic's speed feats. B'cuz it ain't about the beat' em ups like dragon ball. (Another reason is that these characters are not handled pretty well in the series.) Though, I can't say the same about frontiers and idw.
No it isn’t a ripoff. there are some similarities between the two, but they can be seen as homages. Saying that sonic is a ripoff is saying that Steven universe is a ripoff too. No hate tho
@@Bye_everyone000rainbow form And White haired Form/state Early design of Super saiyan Was White haired with Red eyes Which came back as Best form of Gohan So Super saiyan was White way before Ultra instinct and Beast But just didn't appeared in manga and Anime
@@animeboy200p2 super sonic is Colorful? Its Yellow Hyper form is Colorful and Rainbow Super Sonic is Based on Super Saiyan Creator of sonic(i forgot his name) and Akira Toriyama are Friends so you can make simple conclusion that some things are inspired by dragon ball Cuz Its Transformation Its Yellow And It gives you Durability and Speed boost 7 Chaos emeralds are also Little bit inspired by 7 Dragon Balls There's is Similarities
@alibeknorbekov5963 I meant to say hyper sonic because you said hyper sonic kinda rip off the original super saiyan color so clam down ir isn't that big of a deal and chaos emerald aren't inspired by dragon ball there nothing alike only super sonic is inspired nothing else
if anything, Super Sonic came out only a year after Super Saiyan was introduced. but MUI came out in 2018, while Hyper Sonic only appeared in one game (S3&K) that was made in 1994 about a month before Super Saiyan 3 was introduced.
this is actually a great video, I wouldn’t mind more of these deep dive / informational videos more in depth compared to your regular TikTok videos. keep up the great work Tyre! 💯
The Chaos Emeralds were always meant to be a collectable power up. Sure Super Sonic is similar to Super Saiyan, but there's also the fact sonic NEEDS the chaos emeralds to do that transformation. Really the only similarity is that sonic turns yellow and his hair sicks up, but that being said, there are lots of characters that have their hair start to float when they power up due to their "aura". For some reason, in dragon ball I never feel like his hair is actually flying up, more like it just points up for some reason, because his hair never really has to much physics, but Sonic's quills do.
exactly. whenever somebody tries to explain why Sonic copied DBZ, they always say "Super Sonic ripped-off Super Sayian because he's yellow". 😑That doesn't mean it's a copy, and there's nothing similar to either transformation besides the color and Goku's hair/Sonic's quills sticking up.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14exactly plus if you look through the years the super syain started off more white then yellow it only after a couple of years that it changed to yellow
Whenever i hear ppl make the argument sonic copied dragonball, i fire back with dbz and dbs copying from Marvel/dc comics with their logic, and it truggers them At some point we are going to run into similarities with things, its not a bad thing, but claiming its a rip off or copy? Thats no good
Dragon Ball also copied more things from Sonic than Sonic did to Dragon Ball. whenever somebody says "Sonic copied Dragon Ball", it's always either people who hate Sonic or Dragon Ball fanboys. if that's the case, Goku is a rip-off of Superman, Vegeta is a rip-off of Thor, Gohan is a rip-off of Superboy, Piccolo is a rip-off of Martian Manhunter. And I can keep going on, but I don't want to offend anybody who likes these characters because they're not copies.
Yeah, people say that hyper form was copied from ultra instinct while hyper form was released in sonic 3 that was released in 1993 or 1994,and ui was released years later
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 I'd say their most lucrative character(Broly) is heavily based off the hulk. With Z broly being the interpretation of what he is while Super broly hits closer to what hulk actually is. Also, I see connections between frieza and mongol from DC, goku black and doc ock, dr gero and dr doom, morro and galactus/morlun/solus, jiren and a certain DC character(forget their name but masakoX makes a good video on it), dyspo and the flash/sonic, hirudagarn and Godzilla, etc. Yeah its mostly the sonic haters/db meatriders who say they copied dragonball. I say Lgeta is more like zod, cell is a copy of the super adaptoid/super skrull/doomsday, the list goes on fr
@@Magic_Dragon1 I have no idea how that works lol I also feel mui is similar to Megaman battle networks "Hub full synchro" form. A transformation that boosts Megamans powers by insane levels, covering him in pure light(like how mui was when it 1st appeared against jiren) at the cost of his stamina. He even does the hakai 1st. There's also a navi in the game called "Bass.exe", who shakes the cyber world with his presence like jiren and ui goku does. When I think about it, Sonic/marvel kinda did infinite zamasu 1st, as Solaris was going to consume all of time and space, the eggmen in sonic rush were going to erase sonic and blaze's dimensions and remake them as they wanted with the jeweled scepter, and thanos became the universe after absorbing the astral regulator. He even becomes an amalgamation of higher level beings in an earlier comic. A fusion of eternity, galactus, death, tribunal, etc.
While they aren't exact copies of each other, i feel that both Sonic and Dragonball as a franchise share an unspoken mutual inspiration from each other throughout the years and could possibly still do to this day.
I'm pretty sure the sonic design from sonic underground and all those american sonic cartoons are not the original design. His design in Japan was always the same from Sonic CD since the first sonic game, it was only changed over seas.
to clarify, Jaleel White voiced acted as Sonic the Hedgehog in three animated series from the 1990s: Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Sonic Underground.
@@shiroiku9314 my bad. you mentioned the american sonic cartoons, those cartoons of Sonic had the same voice actor who voiced Sonic. And in the encyclo-speed-ia, it mentioned SATAM or AOSTH. Plus, those versions of Sonic are basically Classic Sonic, they have a similar design to the 2D games. Sorry that I got you confused.
1:29 fun fact in sonic 3 & knuckles super sonic had his eyes be a similar shade of green & atleast 1 of the prototype design for super saiyan had red eyes
Sonic takes inspiration from just about everything. Shadow is an inspiration of Bass. Silver is Future Trunks. The Death Egg is inspired by the Death Star from Star Wars. Tails' flying ability is taken from Goku's ability to fly by using his tail during the 21st budokai tenkaichi. Sonic's super form is an inspiration of SSJ. The 7 chaos emeralds are just the 7 dragon balls with a different concept. Silver Sonic is a gag of mecha godzilla. I feel like many other characters like knuckles, rouge, amy, and tails are inspired by dragon ball characters and various other anime characters out there.
Why I see the similarities between the dragon balls and the Chaos Emeralds I feel like they're more like the Infinity Stones from Marvel you know multiple gems different colors all have their own different powers and when you put them all together you achieve great power
@@ElliottWilbur I mean, they went from 6 to 7. (The special stages in Sonic 3 & Knuckles are meant to be an inspiration of king kai's planet, apparently.) *Yuji Naka was a huge Dragon Ball fan*
super sonic was actually in concept during 1990, a full year before the official ssj transformation, it just wasn't able to be in the game due to time crunch
Sonic did NOT copy Dragon Ball! The only thing similar about the two series are the characters. Dragon Ball is heavily inspired by Sun Wukong and Superman. Sonic was created because Sega wanted to rival Nintendo’s mascot (Mario), but Sonic actually has way more connections to the Flash (more so Wally West) in my opinion. Shadow is very similar to Mewtwo, but was recently confirmed to be inspired by Spawn (which makes sense). Goku and Sonic are friendly and prideful, but Goku is naive and idiotic, while Sonic is adventurous or egotistical depending on which version of Sonic it is. Vegeta is prideful and egotistical but never wins, while Shadow is edgy and stubborn but he sometimes wins. Some characters from DBS are similar to other Sonic characters. For example, the Goku Black Arc is similar to Sonic 06 because of the story, the characters (Goku Black and Zamasu are similar to Mephiles and Iblis), and how bad the writing was.
Sonic and Goku’s personalities are definitely during but similar in a few instances. But Sonic possesses more common sense than Goku. Also the 7 Chaos Emeralds are a node to the 7 Dragonballs. The Super Emeralds are a better version of the Chaos Emeralds as the Namekian Dragonballs are superior to the Earth’s Dragonballs. Super Sonic was definitely inspired by Super Saiyan. Both have genius friends with Tails and Bulma. Both have friends and former rivals that are connected with the Dragonballs/Chaos Emeralds with Piccolo and Knuckles. Plus both Goku and Sonic are both similar and partially inspired by Superman.
@@porobotboyxxx the only thing I disagree agree with is Sonic beings inspired by Superman. I can see a few connections for both, but they're not similar. Sonic is often compared to Goku, but Goku has more connections to Superman than Sonic. And I personally believe that Sally Acorn is more like Bulma than Tails is. Goku and Sonic have two best friends (Krillin and Tails) who they have grown up with and fought. Both also have rivals who were enemies at first, but then became frenemies (Vegeta and Shadow). Both also have time-traveler friends who come from the future (Future Trunks and Silver) and they are enemies who try conquer Earth no matter how many times they lose to the main protagonist (Frieza and Dr. Eggman).
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Sally and Bulma aren’t similar except them being female and Sally actually dates Sonic while Goku and Bulma are definitely friends. Also Sonic and Superman are defined as a symbol of hope in their universes, they’re both extremely fast, plus Sonic acquired the capability of defeating main threat serious foes by himself at times like Superman, which Goku lacks.
@@porobotboyxxx Both are pure-hearted aliens from another world (Krypton and Mobius) that are leaders of a group/team (the Freedom Fighters and the Justice League). Both are enemies of bald mad scientists that use crystalline material that originates from their home world (green Kryptonite and the Chaos Emeralds) to empower themselves or their machines. there might be a bit more similarities.
Since the Sonic O6 game Shadow was a completely different person. I have proof : In Sonic Adventure (2001) final boss, Shadow had started respecting Sonic and even called him the ultimate lifeform. After 2006 Shadow appeared less in the games and mainly as a boss fight sometimes. And in his short appearances he used to call Sonic weak and boosted himself about being the ultimate life form. Like what happened to him saying to Sonic that he is the must be the ultimate life form. (6:04).
doing goated videos as always, but i think there is a mistake here, in 6:09 we see shadow calling sonic "the ultimate lifeform", but this actually does happen with vegeta in the buu saga too, im not sure if its anime only or not, but vegeta said "but, rather its my anger blinding me" and "You're better than me kakarot, you are the best"
Short answer no. The chaos emeralds, and super sonic while inspired and are a direct homage to super sayain and the seven dragon balls are the only similarities these two franchises really have outside of fighting literal gods. They have no real similarities out side of that, with maybe the adception of Siliver and Trunks, but even than dragon ball didn’t create the trop of a hero going back in time to save their future.
Short answer to the title is no. But no one ever says Sonic copied everything. It was just clickbait. Most people only ever think of Super Sonic and the 7 chaos emeralds. So short answer is yes to what's relevant to most people
Super sonic and the 7 emeralds were supposed to be a gag-thing, silver sonic from sonic 2 was litterally mecha Godzilla, sonic used to be a gag character.
The "Chaos Emeralds are knock-offs of the Dragon Balls" argument irks me more than any other. Just because there are multiple versions of them in groups of 7 doesn't mean the chaos emeralds are knockoffs. They are entirely different. The Chaos Emeralds are a power source, and The Dragon Balls are used to summon Shenron. The chaos emeralds down have any (known) consequences to spamming them, and the Dragon Balls can be corrupted if overused. Also, way too many 90's games have objects in groups of 7, so singling out the emeralds is stupid.
tbh, I don't see how the Chaos Emeralds are anything similar to the Dragon Balls besides there are seven of them. the Chaos Emeralds are more like the Infinite Stones than the Dragon Balls. the Dragon Balls can only summon Shenron and he grants wishes. but the similarities between the Infinity Stones and the Chaos Emeralds are that they grant you nigh-omnipotent levels of power and hax like reality warping and space-time manipulation.
@@christopherford39 yeah, and they can be used to unlock untapped potential and a transformation, just like Piccolo wished to unlock his true potential but also got a transformation.
Shadow isn't vegeta because shadow isn't prideful he is trying to protect earth unlike vegeta who wants to beat goku. And sonic is chill guy that wants to have peace while goku is a fighter who wants to get stronger and surpass his limits.
facts. also for people who say Shadow is Mewtwo, look up Adam Warlock from Marvel. 😂 Shadow is basically him, Mewtwo is Tetsuo Shima from Akira. Goku and Vegeta are basically the japanese Superman and Thor.
@SanslNess53 Obviously they changed a few things to make shadow a little different than vegeta but it’s still the same concept. They paying homage and it’s ok to admit it.
brotha rlly explained how shadow rlly is and should be portrayed. nowadays they always characterize shadow as an angry emo version of sonic with chaos powers, which he isnt.
I'm a fan of both of them and I say that it wasn't copied it was inspiration. I've played and watched both of them and there is some similarities yes, but it's not the exact same.
The Saiyans do have similarities with the hedgehogs.. although, their intent comes in different ways. We compare them in our childhood and we always thought that if they crossed paths, they’d make good teams upon their instinct.
I think with Silver and Trunks I think they both inspire each other. In silver’s case in 06 it was stated before the game came out that Silver was inspired by trunks in DBZ and his back story in a way. But in the Goku Black Arc there are a lot of similarities to 06 and silvers story being one of them like how it takes place in a dystopian future, Goku Black being like the Iblis in that story, Mai being Blaze and etc.
no😭crying rn Trunks is basically just a regular saiyan. He's from the future, but he's no different than say Goku and Vegeta...just weaker. He's experienced and confident when we first see him. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it...when others don't get in his way. Silver is a hedgehog, but he's completely different from Sonic and Shadow. He doesn't even share their moves, instead having his own unique fighting style and set of abilities. Silver is a naive boy who got nervous when Blaze wasn't around the first time they got separated. He's lost, unlike Trunks, he didn't go back to save the hero. He got manipulated and went back to kill him. The two only share the "destroyed future from a threat and goes back in time to stop it". But their deeper purpose, personalities, comparison with their peers, and so forth are just too different to call Silver a clone.
theres nothing wrong with taking something that you like or think was cool from other series and putting in your own. this is basically what everyone does. just take things that you like and keep them.
Honestly, it’s surprising how Sonic 06, out of all games has a better story then other 3D sonic games. Even if it has the worse gameplay, the story brings it up by a long shot. The only thing I didn’t like was **Sonic kissing Elise.** yea rule 34 got a kick out of that one
Sonic 06 was supposed to be THE Sonic game, it was highly ambitious. The game would've been awesome if it wasn't rushed. Thinking about it, the game only has 2 problems: Elise And the fact that it is unpolished and glitchy.
Namek arc Super Saiyan Goku had red eyes in an early magazine article. Super Sonic in Sonic 3 has green eyes Silver was outright inspired from Future Trunks because his character notes from the 06 developers say something on the lines of "Silver is Future Trunks from Dragon Ball" Also Perfect Cell is also stated to be the "Ultimate Life Form" 💀
The NEEDS to be another game like 06 where they had sonic shadow and silver teams in an adventure style game. I kinda wanna learn how to mod forces for this exact reason.
@@MagicDragonfiction true...but most Dragon ball fans believe that everything Dragon ball did, they did it first. I won't deny that Super Saiyan came first though.
As a fan of Dragonball an even bigger fan of Sonic this was a very useful and informative video which genuinely surprised me coming from you (no offense big fan). And I applaud you for even making this video cuz I could see how a lot of your audience wouldn't even care to watch it
@@Mudana28 Goku is directly inspired by Sun Wukong. Sun Wukong has 72 Earthly transformations. If anything, Goku has about 10-20 transformations, most of them are recolors.
Ripoff is a harsh word but they do copy from dragonball a lot. Many fans that love sonic also love dragonball and even fan creations with sonic takes inspiration from dragonball. I'm not saying it a bad thing but to disregard clear copies is silly. Super Sonic 2, sega said themselve they don't want to be compared to dragon ball and have stronger foes.
But the only thing they share is that they live in future that get destroyed and than they return to main timeline in order to neutralize a threat that destroyed world
That's so insane to me, to this day I don't see the, well I recognize the difference, but how is it BETTER? OR worse? Well, the quill length nerds must feel validated when even official marketing was like "nope, this one won't do, we have to change it". There must have been a spot missing in the tax deduction form, for character design, 1 pcs.
I consider Metal Sonic as Sonic’s true rival, he’s perfect and people want Shadow instead, so sega leaves him in the trash wich makes him even less popular I mean, metal sonic is litterally built by eggman, the main villain of the sonic series, he’s made to be an exact replica.
Regarding the rivalry part, there's actually some big context you've missed. At least in terms of Sonic and Shadow's power. More often than not, Sonic and Shadow are compared to one another and stated to be each other's physical equals in pretty much every notable way. It's technically more consistent than the large power gaps between Goku and Vegeta have had for a long time. There is more context to both the SA2 and Generations fights. Sonic possessed a Fake Emerald to perform Chaos Control while Shadow, actually had none. Shadow did not possess it since it was being used for the Eclipse Cannon. Therefor, Sonic was technically aided by specific equipment outside of his usual toolset. Whether the Fake Emerald amps him or just allows him to perform Chaos Control, I'm not entirely sure of. There's also the fact that they were stated to have tied with one another, however I'm unsure of how they would have played out. Many arguments regarding this are "It wouldn't be a tie as Shadow wouldn't let him get close to the Eclipse Cannon to destroy it.", "If Shadow won, the Blue Rat would be folded.", or "Sonic was just trying to stop the Eclipse Cannon, not kill Shadow.". Even if Sonic did win, it isn't indicative of him being outright stronger than Shadow. Which leads me to another point regarding the last quote. Just because Sonic was trying to get to the Eclipse Cannon, doesn't mean he wasn't going all out. You can beat someone up with all you got and not kill them. Especially since Sonic was on a time-sensitive endeavor. That argument of Sonic being implied to not trying his hardest seems like headcanon. There's also the fact that you can still BEAT someone up, but then lose to that same person on in another fight. Winning isn't ABSOLUTELY indicative of superiority in terms of power. Also in Generations, it's also a slippery argument because people like to point out that Sonic and Shadow could not do anything to each other in that fight without the aid of the Energy Cores. They were both equal in pretty much any way and the only real way to damage each other was to boost into either Sonic or Shadow when they're out of Boost Energy OR use the cores. Other than that, they had to be amped in order to deal actual damage towards one another. Thusly, they should be equal generally. Even in the same GAME, they are stated to be equals in the Character Bios. Typically, they are stated and implied to be equals in power base-to-base. Technically, he is more consistently equal to Sonic than Vegeta was to Goku for the longest time. These days due to Frontiers, I'd say that Sonic is stronger mainly due to the fact that he had a game, however there is dialogue in Frontiers where Sonic says something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind having Shadow's help right about now.", which implies that despite his own growth in power, Shadow would still be a great help. Which also implies some sort of comparability. Not to say that Shadow would be equal exactly, but definitely useful enough to greatly help Sonic in his adventure. Despite this, Sonic scaling in terms of power is rather swingy anyway. Everyone seems to scale to one another without there being a real power creep or eclipsing people in power. Everyone seems to just scale rather fine to each other in terms of statistics. I like the Sonic Verse for that as it doesn't worry itself with insane power eclipsing and just kind of scales itself. A very good system.
@delaware5407 Yet, you seem to not realize Shadow was not at his Full power during that fight. As a matter of fact the only time we've seen Shadow at Full Power was in Sonic 06 and Sonic X.
@@MrLaGzaLoT Sonic X? The non-canon series? 06? The game where Shadow literally admited being inferior? And yes, Shadow was at full power, so he was in the battle against Emerl and in the gens fight
No, Shadow was Actually Inspired By Bass From the megaman series & also Underworld (2003), Constantine (2005), and those in the Terminator series because Sega was influenced by there films.
fun fact super sayians og disign ha red eyes but then got chagned to green and with sonic its the other way around but sonic justgot insperation from db
Sonic definetly have a lot of inspirations from DBZ. but they are not the same, both franchises are vastly different. calling it a rip-off would be dumb.
I don't think SEGA ripped Goku off, they have some similarities but are still very different. If you wanna talk about a ripoff, take the final boss from Mario 3D World: Bowser's Fury. You basically turn into a Golden spiky form that jumps over ramps, collects coins and rings in a destroyed world in order to hit a giant water (and fire based) monster to a pulp. Sound familiar? Sonic Adventure DX.
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Sonic being stronger than Shadow is so not true. And Shadow calling Sonic the ultimate life form is a dubbing error. Plus, I think Silver is more inspired by Cable from MARVEL comics.
Being inspired and being a ripoff are two completely different things.
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@@callumcrane241Shadow literally always fights Sonic with a chaos emerald or something and yet he always loses or the winner is ambiguous. And Shadow in Sonic Battle literally admits Sonic is superior to him.
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Just to spread somore awareness, Sonic's design mentioned in the video was the modified western design by Greg Martin. Sonic's original design was from Japan, and was changed during the localization process. It was the base for Toei Sonic in the Sonic CD intro. That said, Sonic CD would likely have been many Americans' introduction to the more standard Sonic design during that time period, so the confusion is completely understandable. All in all tho, sick vid! I actually never truly understood all the discussions, but this was informative!
@@jaydenweidum1453 6 initially, soon afterwards it's 7 tho
Does tbh mean the but hole
Goku solos 🤓
@@bagochipzYes he does. But how is that relevant to this comment?
@bagochipz No he doesn't, but okay. 😐
Sonic and goku would be good friends tbh
We know
depends on which version of Sonic you're talking about
If there was enough Goku would love chili dogs and maybe even have a race to see who can eat the most
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Fiction was always inspired by other fiction, since the dawn of storywriting.
Inspiration =/= ripoff
If it was the case, then Goku would've ripped off Sun Wukong at the beginning of the Dragon Ball, and by the start of Z, he became a copy of Superman.
Thanks for clarifying this that yes. Inspiration is different from ripping off.
Inspiration is looking at something and taking ideas from it while not making it a 1 by 1 copy, more than likely will be different to it's original counterpart in some way.
Ripping off is straight up copying someones homework on paper. In this case say if the chaos emeralds granted wishes instead of the form itself and you could argue the super form is a rip off however it also works differently from super saiyan and as of frontiers and a few other games has an entirely different moveset.
It certainly doesn't help that DBS Broly made his backstory EVEN MORE similar to Superman.
@@cirnosnumberfan6449 no the backstory was inspired by dbzaf get your facts straight
I dont agree with inspiration = rip off that sounds dumb
But if you mean people saying that is dumb i agree
The answer is no. While there are similarities, like Silver, the Chaos Emeralds and Super Sonic. They aren’t direct copies. Even Shadow and Vegeta aren’t direct copies. If you look at Shadows backstory he has amnesia and is trying to get revenge by destroying the world. Shadow wants to destroy the world because he thinks that’s what Maria wants, Vegeta wanted to destroy earth because he wanted the Dragonballs. There’s no deep reason why Vegeta wanted to do this other then to defeat Frieza. We see at the end of SA2 Amy begs with Shadow to see the good in humanity and give them a chance, Shadow remembers what Maria ACTUALLY wanted and it was to protect humanity. Shadow goes super to help Sonic stop Space Colony Ark and dies in the process asking if Maria if he fulfilled her wishes. Vegeta is nothing like this, even when they are fighting Frieza, he wants revenge because Frieza killed the Saiyans. After when Frieza is dead we see Vegeta is still cold hearted and doesn’t really care for anyone, when we get to the Buu arc Vegeta grows and cares for his family and the earth but this is in an entirely different way then Shadow. Shadow went from a complete nihilist to a hero in the span of one game. This isn’t even mentioning Shadow the Hedgehog where we get the most insight on his character.
Not to mention dragon ball isn’t even originally inspired. It pulls a LOT from journey to the west.
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And Z pulls even further from American comics like DC and marvel.
Cell is basically super skrull/super adaptoid, black arc was borderline superior spidey's arc, etc
@@chriss.249 exactly! Which, not to say it’s not a good idea to be inspired! Cells a Greta character, but people shouldn’t act like dragon ball is some kind of original creative brainchild.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure toriyama got the idea of trunks from terminators John connor too. The androids as well.
Yeah it's never a bad thing to be inspired by the works around u.
There’s a difference between paying homage to or being inspired by a piece of media, and ripping it off. People who say sonic is a rip off of dragon ball don’t understand what that means.
usually Dragon Ball fanboys or anybody who hates Sonic says it's a rip-off of Dragon Ball, but anybody who knows Dragon Ball knows that it is directly inspired by Journey of the West and comic book characters.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Yep and he even drew goku wearing the journey of the west outfit its even in Xenoverse 2
Plus gokus hair is inspired by Astro boy and Mickey mouse but i might be reaching
@@m_c2022 I never knew that. Thanks for letting me know. That's funny how his hair is inspired by Mickey. 😅
Edit: It's not
@GokuBlack.. a lot of it true, but there are some things in DBZ and in DBS that are quite similar or stuff that already happened in the comics. And not everything about Super is original, they keep rehashing movies and storylines.
I like both and even I know there's a difference between copying and inspired by, you wouldn't call JuJutsu Kaisen a direct tipoff of YuYu Hakusho now would you?
Ripoff or non-ripoff, it doesn't matter to me. I just wanted to enjoy myself with these two franchises.
Edit: Wow, why is this so popular?!
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I'm pretty sure the 7 dragon balls can only summon a dragon, and the 7 chaos emeralds can give power by many different means including the super forms
Yeah, and people think that hyper sonic is copy of ultra instinct, even though it was released years later than hyper sonic
a dragon that can give you power and way more stuff then the chaos emeralds and belive it or not super dragons can just give you universe eleminating powers and also you can basically wish for chaos emeralds and chaos powers
@@bigchoppa1897 I don't think that you can wish super shenron for items from whole different series
Bruh Chaos diamonds and Dragonballs have nothing in common plus The Chaos diamonds are way more similar to the Infinity Stones from The Marvel cinematic universe franchise than the Dragonballs
@@BlueNinja-pw1ytsee? “Chaos diamonds” it’s called the chaos emeralds , and no, sega came up with this idea and no, sega did not copy and paste!!!
Sonic isnt a ripoff of holy but rather (with a quick google search) super sonic is a homage to dragon ball z. And some sonic games are inspired by holy but none are really ripoffs. HOPE THAT HELPS
There are stupid dragon ball fans who say sonics a rip off but still not knowing what the definition of rip off means
(Also side sentence) shadow and vegeta are not alike at all maybe they both are evil in the first introduction but they have different back story’s
Leave my boy silver alone 😭
Why does Tyrecordslol always gotta disrespect Silver? I mean I like both characters, but the way he said Silver "copied" Future Trunks is kinda disrespectful because Trunks himself is inspired by John Conner from Terminator and Cable from Marvel.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Just accept the fact, Shadow and Sonic are very similar to Goku and Vegeta. Only Sonic fanboys can't stand the FACT that Sonic is HEAVILY inspired by Dragon Ball.
@@RiasGremoryS54 I'm not a Sonic fanboy. Maybe you Dragon Ball fads can't stand the fact that DBZ characters are rip-offs of other characters and they get stomped by them too. If anything, Sonic is more like the Flash, and Shadow is like Mewtwo or Spawn.
@@RiasGremoryS54 You are correct sonic is inspired by goku BUT They didn’t steal anything
For me, Silver is similar to Trunks but isn't much of an exact copy or inspiration.
1. Silver came back to the past timeline because the antagonist of 06 (Mephiles) told him to do so. Trunks however just decided to do that. Another massive difference is that Silver's purpose during 06 was to kill Sonic, the protagonist, but Trunks went to the past to help Goku, who is also a protagonist.
2. Trunks isn't seen mostly in the present timeline as he is supposed to belong in the future otherwise he could potentially ruin the whole db timeline. Except for Silver, he is always present in the present timeline ever since 06 and it doesn't seem to be messing up Sonic's timeline at all.
3. Number 3 is a pretty obvious one. Silver can use telekinesis and can glide in the air at times. Trunks uses his sword and flies around most of the time. This is a big difference that many leave out when talking about this. Nobody sees Silver with a sword and neither does anyone see Trunks move objects with the power of his hand.
Not to mention the difference in personality.
They sated that sliver is from trunks
@@walkerzykeise_646 yeah they used trunks as inspiration for Sliver that doesn’t mean they’re exactly the same
You're right but I wanted to mention a point in the case where Silver's purpose was to kill Sonic (*whom he thought was Iblis) I think it's similar to how Trunks went to the past in Dragon ball super and woke up and saw Goku and tried to kill him thinking it was Black Goku, yeah the situations aren't the same but it's similar to how both were tricked to thinking other people were their enemies
@@جَنَى-م3ب i can see that but a major difference is that Silver got tricked by a person to kill Sonic, whilst Trunks had his mind fool him into thinking that Goku was Goku Black since they are similar.
After hearing his other arguments on why sega didnt copy dragon ball, I was ready to be disproven and told that silver wasn't a copy of trunks...only to hear that he argreed with me and I honestly felt so dumbfounded lol
But he isn’t a copy 💀
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@@lord-sama8562 in the creation of silver There was a note that basically said "just think trunks from dragon ball" so nah he kinda is
@@chinlota682 Silver is clearly inspired by Future Trunks, he's not a rip-off. In other words, that like saying Future Trunks is a copy of Cable because he is inspired by him.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 I'm just quoting what was on the creation paper
I said it before, and I'll say it again. The Sonic franchise does have a few inspirations from Dragon Ball, and denying that is just being in denial. BUT, there's exist a huge amount of differences to the point the similarities are pretty far and in-between.
Silver was inspired by Trunks. I'm pretty sure there's even an official source for that. However, the two characters are drastically different.
Trunks is basically just a regular saiyan. He's from the future, but he's no different than say Goku and Vegeta...just weaker. He's experienced and confident when we first see him. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it...when others don't get in his way.
Silver is a hedgehog, but he's completely different from Sonic and Shadow. He doesn't even share their moves, instead having his own unique fighting style and set of abilities.
Silver is a naive boy who got nervous when Blaze wasn't around the first time they got separated. He's lost, unlike Trunks, he didn't go back to save the hero. He got manipulated and went back to kill him.
The two only share the "destroyed future from a threat and goes back in time to stop it". But their deeper purpose, personalities, comparison with their peers, and so forth are just too different to call Silver a clone.
Agree.
one of the best argumentations about Silver and Trunks i've ever seen
Trunks has his own set of Abilities and his own fighting style.
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What abilities does Trunks have? Looking through the entirety of Z and Super, he's barely any different from Goku and Vegeta. Sometimes, he uses his sword, I guess? But his core fighting method is pretty much 1:1 with the other saiyans. Ki blasts and physical attacks with no real unique gimmick.
Another big difference between silver and trunks is how they're usually presented.
in vs shows like death battle, you guys know the xeno vs archie one? Well, it's basically a fight between strongest offense vs strongest defense. Trunks has the upper hand when he's up close. Same with Silver when at a distance. Ofcourse, silver can slip pass trunks while trunks can power through. Trunks has fighting edge, while Silver has the environment.
And that's kind of what dragon ball and sonic the hedgehog is all about. One franchise is good for the superpowered fights and beat 'em ups, while the other is good for using environment and traversal.
It's probably why don't see much strength feats coming from knuckles when compared to sonic's speed feats. B'cuz it ain't about the beat' em ups like dragon ball. (Another reason is that these characters are not handled pretty well in the series.) Though, I can't say the same about frontiers and idw.
No it isn’t a ripoff. there are some similarities between the two, but they can be seen as homages. Saying that sonic is a ripoff is saying that Steven universe is a ripoff too. No hate tho
Also hyper sonic came out wayyy before ultra instinct
@@Bye_everyone000rainbow form
And White haired Form/state
Early design of Super saiyan Was White haired with Red eyes
Which came back as Best form of Gohan
So Super saiyan was White way before Ultra instinct and Beast
But just didn't appeared in manga and Anime
@alibeknorbekov5963 yeah but super sonic is colorful so it nothing like ssj or ultra instinct
@@animeboy200p2 super sonic is Colorful?
Its Yellow
Hyper form is Colorful and Rainbow
Super Sonic is Based on Super Saiyan
Creator of sonic(i forgot his name) and Akira Toriyama are Friends so you can make simple conclusion that some things are inspired by dragon ball
Cuz
Its Transformation
Its Yellow
And It gives you Durability and Speed boost
7 Chaos emeralds are also Little bit inspired by 7 Dragon Balls
There's is Similarities
@alibeknorbekov5963 I meant to say hyper sonic because you said hyper sonic kinda rip off the original super saiyan color so clam down ir isn't that big of a deal and chaos emerald aren't inspired by dragon ball there nothing alike only super sonic is inspired nothing else
Nah it’s not a copy of dbz because dbz fans say that hyper sonic is a copy of mui but actually hyper sonic came out way before dbs came out
And even then it hasn’t even been used officially for more than a decade
if anything, Super Sonic came out only a year after Super Saiyan was introduced. but MUI came out in 2018, while Hyper Sonic only appeared in one game (S3&K) that was made in 1994 about a month before Super Saiyan 3 was introduced.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 I know that
@@GreenEyedPsycho bruh
But it still came first
this is actually a great video, I wouldn’t mind more of these deep dive / informational videos more in depth compared to your regular TikTok videos. keep up the great work Tyre! 💯
The Chaos Emeralds were always meant to be a collectable power up. Sure Super Sonic is similar to Super Saiyan, but there's also the fact sonic NEEDS the chaos emeralds to do that transformation. Really the only similarity is that sonic turns yellow and his hair sicks up, but that being said, there are lots of characters that have their hair start to float when they power up due to their "aura". For some reason, in dragon ball I never feel like his hair is actually flying up, more like it just points up for some reason, because his hair never really has to much physics, but Sonic's quills do.
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i like more of the concept of it being a useful form and u actually need it as a last resort unlike super saiyan which became just overused
@@Salheeeel yeah
exactly. whenever somebody tries to explain why Sonic copied DBZ, they always say "Super Sonic ripped-off Super Sayian because he's yellow". 😑That doesn't mean it's a copy, and there's nothing similar to either transformation besides the color and Goku's hair/Sonic's quills sticking up.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14exactly plus if you look through the years the super syain started off more white then yellow it only after a couple of years that it changed to yellow
Out of the 6 of them, Future Trunks and Silver were always my favorites.
Same
Whenever i hear ppl make the argument sonic copied dragonball, i fire back with dbz and dbs copying from Marvel/dc comics with their logic, and it truggers them
At some point we are going to run into similarities with things, its not a bad thing, but claiming its a rip off or copy? Thats no good
Dragon Ball also copied more things from Sonic than Sonic did to Dragon Ball. whenever somebody says "Sonic copied Dragon Ball", it's always either people who hate Sonic or Dragon Ball fanboys.
if that's the case, Goku is a rip-off of Superman, Vegeta is a rip-off of Thor, Gohan is a rip-off of Superboy, Piccolo is a rip-off of Martian Manhunter. And I can keep going on, but I don't want to offend anybody who likes these characters because they're not copies.
Yeah, people say that hyper form was copied from ultra instinct while hyper form was released in sonic 3 that was released in 1993 or 1994,and ui was released years later
@@SonicIsTheGoat14
I'd say their most lucrative character(Broly) is heavily based off the hulk. With Z broly being the interpretation of what he is while Super broly hits closer to what hulk actually is.
Also, I see connections between frieza and mongol from DC, goku black and doc ock, dr gero and dr doom, morro and galactus/morlun/solus, jiren and a certain DC character(forget their name but masakoX makes a good video on it), dyspo and the flash/sonic, hirudagarn and Godzilla, etc.
Yeah its mostly the sonic haters/db meatriders who say they copied dragonball.
I say Lgeta is more like zod, cell is a copy of the super adaptoid/super skrull/doomsday, the list goes on fr
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I have no idea how that works lol
I also feel mui is similar to Megaman battle networks "Hub full synchro" form. A transformation that boosts Megamans powers by insane levels, covering him in pure light(like how mui was when it 1st appeared against jiren) at the cost of his stamina. He even does the hakai 1st.
There's also a navi in the game called "Bass.exe", who shakes the cyber world with his presence like jiren and ui goku does.
When I think about it, Sonic/marvel kinda did infinite zamasu 1st, as Solaris was going to consume all of time and space, the eggmen in sonic rush were going to erase sonic and blaze's dimensions and remake them as they wanted with the jeweled scepter, and thanos became the universe after absorbing the astral regulator. He even becomes an amalgamation of higher level beings in an earlier comic. A fusion of eternity, galactus, death, tribunal, etc.
@@chriss.249 hm, yeah megaman's form and ui fr have almost same concept, the only difference is ui let you move without thinking
While they aren't exact copies of each other, i feel that both Sonic and Dragonball as a franchise share an unspoken mutual inspiration from each other throughout the years and could possibly still do to this day.
This crossed my mind but I think that one's just more " family friendly "
which one?
I'm pretty sure the sonic design from sonic underground and all those american sonic cartoons are not the original design. His design in Japan was always the same from Sonic CD since the first sonic game, it was only changed over seas.
to clarify, Jaleel White voiced acted as Sonic the Hedgehog in three animated series from the 1990s: Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Sonic Underground.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Idk what you mean, since I never mentioned the voice actors. So what exactly are you clarifying?
@@shiroiku9314 my bad. you mentioned the american sonic cartoons, those cartoons of Sonic had the same voice actor who voiced Sonic. And in the encyclo-speed-ia, it mentioned SATAM or AOSTH.
Plus, those versions of Sonic are basically Classic Sonic, they have a similar design to the 2D games.
Sorry that I got you confused.
“First of all, I am vegeta. Second all, your not vegeta, third of all, you wanna be vegeta but you can’t be vegeta because im vegeta”
shadow b!tch I'm more like mewtwo before I became like you
(also nice reference)
1:29 fun fact in sonic 3 & knuckles super sonic had his eyes be a similar shade of green & atleast 1 of the prototype design for super saiyan had red eyes
Sonic takes inspiration from just about everything. Shadow is an inspiration of Bass. Silver is Future Trunks. The Death Egg is inspired by the Death Star from Star Wars. Tails' flying ability is taken from Goku's ability to fly by using his tail during the 21st budokai tenkaichi. Sonic's super form is an inspiration of SSJ. The 7 chaos emeralds are just the 7 dragon balls with a different concept. Silver Sonic is a gag of mecha godzilla. I feel like many other characters like knuckles, rouge, amy, and tails are inspired by dragon ball characters and various other anime characters out there.
Why I see the similarities between the dragon balls and the Chaos Emeralds I feel like they're more like the Infinity Stones from Marvel you know multiple gems different colors all have their own different powers and when you put them all together you achieve great power
@@ElliottWilbur I mean, they went from 6 to 7.
(The special stages in Sonic 3 & Knuckles are meant to be an inspiration of king kai's planet, apparently.)
*Yuji Naka was a huge Dragon Ball fan*
super sonic was actually in concept during 1990, a full year before the official ssj transformation, it just wasn't able to be in the game due to time crunch
@@biggreen276 and how? super sonic shows clear inspiration to ssj goku. where's your proof of this anyway?
@@TheLegendofMys guidebooks, want me to send a link of a pic
I'm tired of hearing people rant about how "sonic is a rip off of dbz" dude giant differences between each other.
Sonic did NOT copy Dragon Ball! The only thing similar about the two series are the characters. Dragon Ball is heavily inspired by Sun Wukong and Superman. Sonic was created because Sega wanted to rival Nintendo’s mascot (Mario), but Sonic actually has way more connections to the Flash (more so Wally West) in my opinion. Shadow is very similar to Mewtwo, but was recently confirmed to be inspired by Spawn (which makes sense). Goku and Sonic are friendly and prideful, but Goku is naive and idiotic, while Sonic is adventurous or egotistical depending on which version of Sonic it is. Vegeta is prideful and egotistical but never wins, while Shadow is edgy and stubborn but he sometimes wins.
Some characters from DBS are similar to other Sonic characters. For example, the Goku Black Arc is similar to Sonic 06 because of the story, the characters (Goku Black and Zamasu are similar to Mephiles and Iblis), and how bad the writing was.
Sonic and Goku’s personalities are definitely during but similar in a few instances. But Sonic possesses more common sense than Goku.
Also the 7 Chaos Emeralds are a node to the 7 Dragonballs. The Super Emeralds are a better version of the Chaos Emeralds as the Namekian Dragonballs are superior to the Earth’s Dragonballs. Super Sonic was definitely inspired by Super Saiyan. Both have genius friends with Tails and Bulma. Both have friends and former rivals that are connected with the Dragonballs/Chaos Emeralds with Piccolo and Knuckles. Plus both Goku and Sonic are both similar and partially inspired by Superman.
@@porobotboyxxx the only thing I disagree agree with is Sonic beings inspired by Superman. I can see a few connections for both, but they're not similar. Sonic is often compared to Goku, but Goku has more connections to Superman than Sonic.
And I personally believe that Sally Acorn is more like Bulma than Tails is. Goku and Sonic have two best friends (Krillin and Tails) who they have grown up with and fought. Both also have rivals who were enemies at first, but then became frenemies (Vegeta and Shadow). Both also have time-traveler friends who come from the future (Future Trunks and Silver) and they are enemies who try conquer Earth no matter how many times they lose to the main protagonist (Frieza and Dr. Eggman).
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Sally and Bulma aren’t similar except them being female and Sally actually dates Sonic while Goku and Bulma are definitely friends. Also Sonic and Superman are defined as a symbol of hope in their universes, they’re both extremely fast, plus Sonic acquired the capability of defeating main threat serious foes by himself at times like Superman, which Goku lacks.
@@porobotboyxxx Both are pure-hearted aliens from another world (Krypton and Mobius) that are leaders of a group/team (the Freedom Fighters and the Justice League). Both are enemies of bald mad scientists that use crystalline material that originates from their home world (green Kryptonite and the Chaos Emeralds) to empower themselves or their machines. there might be a bit more similarities.
In my opinion Sonic is more of a copy of MegaMan than Dragonball Z
Since the Sonic O6 game Shadow was a completely different person. I have proof :
In Sonic Adventure (2001) final boss, Shadow had started respecting Sonic and even called him the ultimate lifeform. After 2006 Shadow appeared less in the games and mainly as a boss fight sometimes. And in his short appearances he used to call Sonic weak and boosted himself about being the ultimate life form. Like what happened to him saying to Sonic that he is the must be the ultimate life form. (6:04).
doing goated videos as always, but i think there is a mistake here, in 6:09 we see shadow calling sonic "the ultimate lifeform", but this actually does happen with vegeta in the buu saga too, im not sure if its anime only or not, but vegeta said "but, rather its my anger blinding me" and "You're better than me kakarot, you are the best"
Everyone: Sonic vs Dragon Ball
Also everyone: Sonic 🤝 Dragonball
Crazy how people still talking about this😭😭
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ball fans won't get over it
@@animeboy200p2you guys keep talking about toxic db fans but I don’t see them
@@CloverKyng because they in the bottom section of the comment
1:07 sonic after Amy in the bed
Wait I’m sonic…
'Sonic would come clean'
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Short answer no.
The chaos emeralds, and super sonic while inspired and are a direct homage to super sayain and the seven dragon balls are the only similarities these two franchises really have outside of fighting literal gods.
They have no real similarities out side of that, with maybe the adception of Siliver and Trunks, but even than dragon ball didn’t create the trop of a hero going back in time to save their future.
Short answer to the title is no. But no one ever says Sonic copied everything. It was just clickbait. Most people only ever think of Super Sonic and the 7 chaos emeralds.
So short answer is yes to what's relevant to most people
Super sonic and the 7 emeralds were supposed to be a gag-thing, silver sonic from sonic 2 was litterally mecha Godzilla, sonic used to be a gag character.
Hey trycolden i love ur videos ive been a fan for a long time!
I really hope you achieve all your goals this year dude! You're a great creator and such a hard worker! Rooting for you hard this year
Agreed!
The ppl who say that chaos emeralds are copy of dragon balls
By that logic I can say that dragon balls were copied from infinity stones💀
No doubt inspired, not a rip off.
Other people are already giving reasons, and I agree with them.
The Mewtwo thing was interesting.
That Mewtwo-Shadow comparison was so perfect
The "Chaos Emeralds are knock-offs of the Dragon Balls" argument irks me more than any other. Just because there are multiple versions of them in groups of 7 doesn't mean the chaos emeralds are knockoffs. They are entirely different. The Chaos Emeralds are a power source, and The Dragon Balls are used to summon Shenron. The chaos emeralds down have any (known) consequences to spamming them, and the Dragon Balls can be corrupted if overused. Also, way too many 90's games have objects in groups of 7, so singling out the emeralds is stupid.
tbh, I don't see how the Chaos Emeralds are anything similar to the Dragon Balls besides there are seven of them. the Chaos Emeralds are more like the Infinite Stones than the Dragon Balls. the Dragon Balls can only summon Shenron and he grants wishes. but the similarities between the Infinity Stones and the Chaos Emeralds are that they grant you nigh-omnipotent levels of power and hax like reality warping and space-time manipulation.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14don't forget the fact that you need all 7 dragon balls for them to work while the same doesn't apply to the chaos emeralds
@@christopherford39 yeah, and they can be used to unlock untapped potential and a transformation, just like Piccolo wished to unlock his true potential but also got a transformation.
And I'm pretty sure the chaos emeralds were first correct me if I'm wrong
@@TheAmazingAnimator it's the other way around
Shadow isn't vegeta because shadow isn't prideful he is trying to protect earth unlike vegeta who wants to beat goku. And sonic is chill guy that wants to have peace while goku is a fighter who wants to get stronger and surpass his limits.
facts. also for people who say Shadow is Mewtwo, look up Adam Warlock from Marvel. 😂 Shadow is basically him, Mewtwo is Tetsuo Shima from Akira. Goku and Vegeta are basically the japanese Superman and Thor.
Plus there's no Kamehameha and no fusion transformation and Sonic doesn't have a child or a wife like Goku
@SanslNess53 Obviously they changed a few things to make shadow a little different than vegeta but it’s still the same concept. They paying homage and it’s ok to admit it.
@@dewoodson3553 nope! The only thing remotely similar to dragon ball is super form.
This video truly drives my hype for Sonic Superstars even more!
brotha rlly explained how shadow rlly is and should be portrayed. nowadays they always characterize shadow as an angry emo version of sonic with chaos powers, which he isnt.
8:19 I think Super Sonic fits better with Green Eyes...
I like how there is 7 chaos emeralds and there is 7 dragon balls 😂
And 7 infinity stones
@@nahummythere are 6
Umm actually in Sonic 1 there was 6 chaos emeralds instead of 7 🤓
@@JeD.87 look at comics
@@nahummy ok
I'm a fan of both of them and I say that it wasn't copied it was inspiration. I've played and watched both of them and there is some similarities yes, but it's not the exact same.
The Saiyans do have similarities with the hedgehogs.. although, their intent comes in different ways. We compare them in our childhood and we always thought that if they crossed paths, they’d make good teams upon their instinct.
Sonic shares inspiration but I wouldn't say he reaches rip off material.
I never thought I miner would make a documentary about sonic and dragon ball 🤯
Dragon Ball super copied Sonic 06.
Specifically the goku black arc.
Sonic 06 was probably inspired by the movie Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon.
@@Diogo85 nothing I can think of from Sonic 06 is the same as that movie tbh
I think with Silver and Trunks I think they both inspire each other. In silver’s case in 06 it was stated before the game came out that Silver was inspired by trunks in DBZ and his back story in a way. But in the Goku Black Arc there are a lot of similarities to 06 and silvers story being one of them like how it takes place in a dystopian future, Goku Black being like the Iblis in that story, Mai being Blaze and etc.
Crazy how the future trunks saga has so many similarities to sonic 06
no😭crying rn
Trunks is basically just a regular saiyan. He's from the future, but he's no different than say Goku and Vegeta...just weaker. He's experienced and confident when we first see him. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it...when others don't get in his way.
Silver is a hedgehog, but he's completely different from Sonic and Shadow. He doesn't even share their moves, instead having his own unique fighting style and set of abilities.
Silver is a naive boy who got nervous when Blaze wasn't around the first time they got separated. He's lost, unlike Trunks, he didn't go back to save the hero. He got manipulated and went back to kill him.
The two only share the "destroyed future from a threat and goes back in time to stop it". But their deeper purpose, personalities, comparison with their peers, and so forth are just too different to call Silver a clone.
It was recently confirmed at the anime expo that shadow is based off some guy from an anime called spawn, not vegeta.
0:32 Goku Copied Sonic with UI being a Copy of Hyper Sonic
Tysm I didn’t have to say it
Dragon ball super fans should be grateful for sega making hyper sonic otherwise mui would never exist
When Shadow says that Sonic is ultimate form it’s just reference to Majin Buu saga, when Vegeta says that Goku is number one
I swear...hes like the most straight to the point, factually correct debater out there.
Dang and i thought it wasnt glazed cause silver was made first
theres nothing wrong with taking something that you like or think was cool from other series and putting in your own. this is basically what everyone does. just take things that you like and keep them.
I think the moment when trunks lost mai in dbs fits more as silver losing blaze, cuz they both lost their girls that moment
Sonic has a badass appearance.... His hairstyle I mean his spike hair is similar to Goku.
Sonic CD cutscenes were animated by junio while toei did the backgrounds
Why do people even care about all of this? Both did good job on their franchises, so why do we care about all of that?
because people still complain about this still to this day.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14bro those people who say sonic is a copy of dragon ball must not be sonic fans 💀
@@dee_torch5 they aren't and those people aren't the first Sonic haters I talked to.
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 oh ok
Because arguing is fun for people 😂
Short story: no just because sonic take inspiration doesn’t mean everything is taken
It's obvious that the creator of sonic was just a big fan of dragon ball
Honestly, it’s surprising how Sonic 06, out of all games has a better story then other 3D sonic games. Even if it has the worse gameplay, the story brings it up by a long shot. The only thing I didn’t like was **Sonic kissing Elise.** yea rule 34 got a kick out of that one
Sonic 06 was supposed to be THE Sonic game, it was highly ambitious. The game would've been awesome if it wasn't rushed. Thinking about it, the game only has 2 problems:
Elise
And the fact that it is unpolished and glitchy.
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bro showed hyper sonic as my home screen 💀
Namek arc Super Saiyan Goku had red eyes in an early magazine article. Super Sonic in Sonic 3 has green eyes
Silver was outright inspired from Future Trunks because his character notes from the 06 developers say something on the lines of "Silver is Future Trunks from Dragon Ball"
Also Perfect Cell is also stated to be the "Ultimate Life Form" 💀
They ofc were inspired, SEGA is a friendly community that makes or tries to make their fans happy.
Nah bro sega is not friendly
sega does NOT make us happy
The NEEDS to be another game like 06 where they had sonic shadow and silver teams in an adventure style game. I kinda wanna learn how to mod forces for this exact reason.
To be fair...Both of them inspired each other. Thats right Dragon ball! I know what you did Akira Toriyama...I'm on to you...🤨
Yeah that's why super sayain blue exist
@@DreaguiVII I was mainly referring to MUI 😅
Dragon ball fans love to say that Dragon ball did it first 😅
@@MagicDragonfiction true...but most Dragon ball fans believe that everything Dragon ball did, they did it first. I won't deny that Super Saiyan came first though.
@@Velocity_YT oh didn't know 😅
@@Velocity_YTpeople say mui is like hyper or something?
Not really because the creator of Dragonball was a friend of creator sonic the hedgehog
this man misunderstands goku so bad it hurts
I think they were based in it because like it would not be a copy because one of the creaters was friend of goku's creater
as a db and sonic fan i can strongly say that sonic just took heavy inspirations from not just dragonball content but from anime ingeneral
@MakaMalum what are u talking about
2:23 Fun fact: Sonic only looked like that in America, and he never looked like that in Japan
As a fan of Dragonball an even bigger fan of Sonic this was a very useful and informative video which genuinely surprised me coming from you (no offense big fan). And I applaud you for even making this video cuz I could see how a lot of your audience wouldn't even care to watch it
Tl;dr: sonic fans be in denial
SEGA has confirmed that the Sonic universe is based on the Dragonball universe.
anime and video game is garbage!
hollywood and scary movies Marvel/Dc movies is better
Another thing to note Ultra Sonic a form from the comics came first before Ultra instinct.
way before Super Saiyan God. Ultra Sonic is also my favorite transformation.
Just wondering, dbz impacted the thing “Transformation” the most in the fictional history. So how do u explain that
@@Mudana28 Goku is directly inspired by Sun Wukong. Sun Wukong has 72 Earthly transformations. If anything, Goku has about 10-20 transformations, most of them are recolors.
And Hyper Sonic too
Ripoff is a harsh word but they do copy from dragonball a lot.
Many fans that love sonic also love dragonball and even fan creations with sonic takes inspiration from dragonball. I'm not saying it a bad thing but to disregard clear copies is silly. Super Sonic 2, sega said themselve they don't want to be compared to dragon ball and have stronger foes.
super sonic 2 is a name that the fans gave not sega
@@NeoZero42 ok that make me feel better , whats the real name
I really wish this comparison died years ago
Bro they confirmed that Silver is kind of inspired by Trunks.
DEAD SERIOUS.
Kind of
But the only thing they share is that they live in future that get destroyed and than they return to main timeline in order to neutralize a threat that destroyed world
Sonic always looked like that in japan this was his American art work they changed to make it more appealing to Americans as they put it
That's so insane to me, to this day I don't see the, well I recognize the difference, but how is it BETTER? OR worse? Well, the quill length nerds must feel validated when even official marketing was like "nope, this one won't do, we have to change it". There must have been a spot missing in the tax deduction form, for character design, 1 pcs.
I consider Metal Sonic as Sonic’s true rival, he’s perfect and people want Shadow instead, so sega leaves him in the trash wich makes him even less popular
I mean, metal sonic is litterally built by eggman, the main villain of the sonic series, he’s made to be an exact replica.
He ain't a rip off even tho some people will stick to saying it is
Sonic (archie) would still body the shit out of goku
Regarding the rivalry part, there's actually some big context you've missed. At least in terms of Sonic and Shadow's power. More often than not, Sonic and Shadow are compared to one another and stated to be each other's physical equals in pretty much every notable way. It's technically more consistent than the large power gaps between Goku and Vegeta have had for a long time.
There is more context to both the SA2 and Generations fights. Sonic possessed a Fake Emerald to perform Chaos Control while Shadow, actually had none. Shadow did not possess it since it was being used for the Eclipse Cannon. Therefor, Sonic was technically aided by specific equipment outside of his usual toolset. Whether the Fake Emerald amps him or just allows him to perform Chaos Control, I'm not entirely sure of. There's also the fact that they were stated to have tied with one another, however I'm unsure of how they would have played out. Many arguments regarding this are "It wouldn't be a tie as Shadow wouldn't let him get close to the Eclipse Cannon to destroy it.", "If Shadow won, the Blue Rat would be folded.", or "Sonic was just trying to stop the Eclipse Cannon, not kill Shadow.". Even if Sonic did win, it isn't indicative of him being outright stronger than Shadow. Which leads me to another point regarding the last quote. Just because Sonic was trying to get to the Eclipse Cannon, doesn't mean he wasn't going all out. You can beat someone up with all you got and not kill them. Especially since Sonic was on a time-sensitive endeavor. That argument of Sonic being implied to not trying his hardest seems like headcanon. There's also the fact that you can still BEAT someone up, but then lose to that same person on in another fight. Winning isn't ABSOLUTELY indicative of superiority in terms of power.
Also in Generations, it's also a slippery argument because people like to point out that Sonic and Shadow could not do anything to each other in that fight without the aid of the Energy Cores. They were both equal in pretty much any way and the only real way to damage each other was to boost into either Sonic or Shadow when they're out of Boost Energy OR use the cores. Other than that, they had to be amped in order to deal actual damage towards one another. Thusly, they should be equal generally. Even in the same GAME, they are stated to be equals in the Character Bios.
Typically, they are stated and implied to be equals in power base-to-base. Technically, he is more consistently equal to Sonic than Vegeta was to Goku for the longest time. These days due to Frontiers, I'd say that Sonic is stronger mainly due to the fact that he had a game, however there is dialogue in Frontiers where Sonic says something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind having Shadow's help right about now.", which implies that despite his own growth in power, Shadow would still be a great help. Which also implies some sort of comparability. Not to say that Shadow would be equal exactly, but definitely useful enough to greatly help Sonic in his adventure. Despite this, Sonic scaling in terms of power is rather swingy anyway. Everyone seems to scale to one another without there being a real power creep or eclipsing people in power. Everyone seems to just scale rather fine to each other in terms of statistics. I like the Sonic Verse for that as it doesn't worry itself with insane power eclipsing and just kind of scales itself. A very good system.
Shadow hasn't fought Sonic using his full power. I strongly believe if they went all out Shadow would win easily.
Yes, you don't seem to learn, Shadow had intent to kill in the sa2 fight...
@delaware5407 Yet, you seem to not realize Shadow was not at his Full power during that fight. As a matter of fact the only time we've seen Shadow at Full Power was in Sonic 06 and Sonic X.
@@delaware5407 his line doesnt pmean anything,if he was at full power he would have remove his rings acting as limiters
@@aegislashkoW That's easy to explain, the limiter rings were an idea that SEGA hadn't thought at the moment, so it's just a retcon
@@MrLaGzaLoT Sonic X? The non-canon series?
06? The game where Shadow literally admited being inferior?
And yes, Shadow was at full power, so he was in the battle against Emerl and in the gens fight
well theres only like one thing that shadow and vegeta share they both (at one point) worked for an evil tyrant
Hyper sonic 1993 ultra instinct Goku 2015 😱😱😱😱
Those Sonic designs before CD were North American only.
No, Shadow was Actually Inspired By Bass From the megaman series & also Underworld (2003), Constantine (2005), and those in the Terminator series because Sega was influenced by there films.
Shadow's first appearance was in 2001
Sonic collects 7 chaos emeralds.
Goku collects 7 dragon balls.
Yeah obviously Sonic copied a lot but that's okay.
this comment is a lil sp£d icl
fun fact super sayians og disign ha red eyes but then got chagned to green and with sonic its the other way around but sonic justgot insperation from db
One minute in and this is already better then JUST A ROBOT’s video covering the similarities.
this is a stupid question, nobody thinks this
but they are 100% inspired and without dragonball sonic would be nothing
silver went back in time to kill the main character, trunks went back to help the main character
Trunks thinking " goku black " goku ?
But sonic use the chaos emeralds to turn super and goku just use his own energy to turn super saiyan
Facts Sonic does not have the power to become Super Sonic he needs the diamonds to transform
No, but Bubsy seems to be copying Sonic and Mario a lot more for me.
trust me alot of things copied DBZ
Like what?
name
@@KugoPlaysx Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and even Hunter x Hunter.
@@Diogo85 Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and even Hunter x Hunter
@@yamaspajamaz7718 ngl, I'm pretty sure the animation in DBZ is the same as Akira
Is no one gonna talk about the cover for that sonic comic 💀
Sonic definetly have a lot of inspirations from DBZ. but they are not the same, both franchises are vastly different. calling it a rip-off would be dumb.
I don't think SEGA ripped Goku off, they have some similarities but are still very different.
If you wanna talk about a ripoff, take the final boss from Mario 3D World: Bowser's Fury.
You basically turn into a Golden spiky form that jumps over ramps, collects coins and rings in a destroyed world in order to hit a giant water (and fire based) monster to a pulp. Sound familiar? Sonic Adventure DX.