Could Mario Beat Sonic The Hedgehog in a Fight (Responding to Mario Fans)
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I’ve talked to the Biggest Mario Sweats and I’ll be doing a video showing how Mostly Every Mario is the same. No Matter if you think Super Mario Paper Jam Retconned that. (Check My Community Post For More Info)
my mans 🙏
Kratos solos both in a 2v1
Not to put pressure could we have a Sonic vs Goku video
He made a new response are you going to make another one
All I know is that if it's Manga sonic he will be able to beat almost every character in games and cartoons
Mario power scaling is...weird. On one hand, Mario runs at a normal pace in games like Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, etc. But on the other hand in the Mario and Luigi series, both brothers can dodge light beams and lasers. I'm not a power scaler so I don't know how any of this works but I'd imagine it's hard to power scale Mario.
He explains it by saying very game of Mario is a different Mario with the exception of a couple of games.
Theres a difference between reaction speed and movement speed.
@@rexyjp1237I mean he did say he doesn’t power scale so he wouldn’t know this
@@awesomeblacka4423 What does ap and hax mean?
Reaction speed is very different from movement speed
It doesn’t make sense for him to bring up Paper Mario because he’s a separate character from regular mainline Mario.
Technically speaking, Paper Mario is Mario, as Miyamoto has stated that Mario has no canon and that all Mario's are the same Mario. The Paper Mario that appeared in Paper Jam is a separate Mario tho
@@shinyxz9So, not all Mario's are the same Mario? Bro, you just ruined your whole argument ☠
The Paper Mario from Paper Jam is a parallel character. Paper Jam isn't reliable due to all the inconsistencies it has like Pokey contradicting established lore and most likely is an unrelated dimension. Mario and Paper Mario being confirmed to be the same countless times>Paper Mario being shown as separate in only one inconsistent game.
@@KalikoAF Did you even read his comment. He said the Paper Mario that appeared in Paper Jam is a parallel character to the characters we see in the Paper Mario Series. Paper Jam Paper Mario is not the same one in the Paper Mario Series.
Now I know you don't Know mario lore I can prove there the same on discord
Something I don’t see much (even if it’s not as impressive as other feats), is at the beginning of City Escape in SA2. When Sonic breaks the door of the helicopter before ripping off a panel and using it as a board while sliding downhill like a snowboard. The amount of strength he’d need to tear out bolted panels of metal without even grunting in effort would be an insane amount of strength given how durable military aircraft are built.
He is a anthropomorphic god killing animal, after all
Huh, never thought of that. Why have I never noticed before now?
Yeah and he DEF got stronger since then who knows what he can do with his raw strength now
Mario still gaps him but I like how you think
@@kermittheconqueror8554 Did you watch the video?
The fact that sonic in games and sonic in death battles/cutsenes durability is different.If we look up on Sonic Frontiers,if Sonic didn’t taunt or didn’t made fun of sage,giganto would throw him a little slower,but then when sonic taunted them both,giganto throw him to two towers and a massive rocked wall,but Sonic didn’t die yet,he was only fainted and wake up in like 15 seconds.
not to forget that giganto is powered by the chaos emeralds so it makes sense the titans would be powerful enough to harm sonic
@@awesomezebroz_2949 yeah
Not to mention in forces sonic flat out mention he can grow and get more powerful every second. So yeah it make sense for sonic winning against Mario.
In the DLC Sonic was falling from space and he still survives
Sonic obviously demolishes, mario may be stronger and better than a normal human and can use powerup items but, sonic is a super fast hedgehog that has natural op powers and can change time. Sonic SOLOS
Exactly
@@Steadyasylumyea like bro the way he said sonic can be taken out of his super form I was screaming “HE WAS TRICKED”
Bruh are you talking about movie mario???
"A normal human"
- a dumbass
Bro Mario isn’t just a human, he was born a star child, meaning he has enough power to conquer a universe. MOVIE Mario is a normal human
Here’s what I usually say. Sonic definitely beats Mario in a fight in terms of stats but Mario is a complete god with items. Also with the new moves sonic can do in sonic frontiers it just makes everything else more confusing as hell. I hate when people brag about who can beat who’s ass. I love both characters none the less. They’ve both made huge impacts to the world.
The fight was much more straight forward post Odessey and forces.
Now everything post Bowser’s Fury and Sonic frontiers has changed it from a match up that can go many ways to a weird one
@@gabrielgarcia3524 yeah that’s usually why whenever this topic gets brought up it just gets confusing as hell because these characters continue to get stronger every game
@gabrielgarcia3524 Well, I mean, if you think about it, mario becomes a giant being in bowsers fury, and in Sonic Frontiers, every boss fight is against a giant being sooo...
Another reason why sonic uses emeralds in 06 is because then he can time travel with his friends
sonic likes a challenge running back in time will be too easy for him
I feel like some people forget that just because you have the ability to do something on your own,if you have a easier option given to you that can do the same thing, you're gonna use that👀Love how you explained and debunked that video in such a chill and funny manner vs his response.I honestly love both characters as well as they shaped my childhood but these arguments be crazy🤣
I have the new Mario game, and I can confirm. He actually can control it. Using the power ups.
What are you referencing in the first sentence of your comment? Genuinely curious
@@execentralwikithe game hasn’t even released yet
@@ViksSon- Yeah, and I played it.
@@execentralwiki what is blud on?
actually there is a way you could argue against the whole invincibility power up.
1. Sonic has his invincibility power up that’s way weaker than his Super form
2. You have to show HOW invulnerable the invincibilities are considering that each different has their own, so take it as you will
3. Even when Mario can use his power ups, you don’t really see Sonic using any of them in his adventures except for the chaos emeralds and wisp but he hasn’t used after a long time, that’s literally about it
Mario without power ups compared to Sonic without power ups is sorta day and night.
Also, Sonic only uses his Super Form when needed, as proved in Sonic Frontiers, where he tries to fight Giganto without it, believing he can homing attack right through it, and after that says "I'm going to need the Chaos Emeralds"
@@deaconaligoodyup and even the titans who aren’t even stronger than two of Sonic’s most strongest villains ever, was able to push Super Sonic back. not damaging him per say but still enough force to push him back yet Super Sonic was still able to manage through them (literally lol)
The super star doesn’t make you that invincible as lava can kill you
In the end, I just want to say that Mario and Sonic are both legends and have shaped my gaming childhood. I don’t care about Death Battles, debates, and or comparisons. I just want these two GOATs of gaming to still be relevant. And Tbh a Mario and Sonic collab game (excluding Olympics) would be FIRE.
SmashBros
@@fogflame2289 excluding Smash Bros (I forgot about that one😰😂)
@@V0idless-c9m lol
@@V0idless-c9m though i do agree, it would be cool to have them work together to save the world or something, like a 2D game or maybe even 3D.
Have u seen super Mario bros Z (the original one, not the reboot) ? Its the coolest collab between Mario and sonic (not a game but still awesome)
hyper sonic IS cannon. in mania you can see the super emeralds are broken, from the last time he used it in 3&K
Okay, it’s canon, but the emeralds are broken, no hyper form for sonic.
@@jacksonvoet8312there is no way chaos emeralds take damage hyper in sonic 3 don’t you see chaos emeralds are still working still today and future?
@@maxkingjoe5460 No, the emeralds used to go Hyper are the super emeralds, a different kind of energy gem, while the chaos emeralds are fine, without the super emeralds, there’s just not enough power to go hyper.
@@jacksonvoet8312 It still can be used in a deathbattle.
@@leticianeal9147 Okay, fair, but we do realize who won that death battle, right?
There is a gap there, you see Mario also has a time limit of sorts! in his games when he had that leaf and you beat a level, it’s invincibility dies out and goes back to a regular power up! This shows it isn’t permanent and can die out
Well that actually has the same reasoning behind it as to why Sonic leaves his Super form when he moves on to the next level even though he has a lot of rings on him still.
@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official Exactly.
@@RaccoonThunderMario_OfficialDifference here is
Sonic has been shown multiple times to stay in super for a LONG time
Mario’s time limit was never shown outside for his most busted powerups so the only way to actually calculate it is with what we have.
Point being, Sonic has been shown to canonically have thousands of rings on him, able to stay past his time limit, and super isn’t even the only one(Hyper IS canon and its just a even better super.)
@@BoughtCanoe Do the rings really do something for Super Sonic or is that just a game mechanic since in Sonic Advance he's able to stay in Super for a week?
@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official rings are just a game mechanic. i think the only piece of media that tried to force some actual canonical purpose onto them is sonic prime?
One quick counterpoint to Solaris and super Dimentio
Ian Flynn stated that Solaris would take his time when destroying timelines (may be authors fallacy), while Super Dimentio was quicker and destroyed multiple different dimensions instantly
Plus unlike Solaris, we’re actually shown the extent of the voids destruction in sammer kingdom.
Considering the voids job is to destroy an entire dimension, I’m pretty sure it’s past and future would go with it.
Just thought I’d add this.
It’s stated theres a possible infinite amount of timelines in Sonic
@brogee2123 fair. Still, the void still erases an entire dimension, along with everything in it.
During Solaris' destruction, the landscapes were still around while the destruction was happening, along with the fact sonic and friends were in an area that kept them safe.
It's why Solaris vs Super Dimentio is weird. Sure Solaris may be able to destroy more in context, but Super Dimentio has a more dangerous source of power and is a lot quicker with it.
It's why they really shouldn't be used to scale sonic and mario, considering they both had help destroying the entities.
@@mrrd2600 don't matter smt sonic folds any mario i not talking about Archie sonic btw
@@rimurutempest9733thecraggle on disc
@@brogeefrongso is Mario in dream land
A lot of you might not know this but sonic has a lot of abilities from the games but they don't appear often because sonic doesn't rely on them as much as mario
That's... Actually a good point.
@@cirnosnumberfan6449 thanks
Also whenever mario fights a new foe or Bowser at the start of a game he almost ALWAYS goes in to fight unprepared with like no powerups and completely underestimates the opponent which is why they catch him off guard and take him down with no effort
@@Wizardwarlock324 That's probably because Mario is impulsive, he's not much of a strategist. It's pretty much his version of how Sonic is always cocky.
@NormalYoshiMfthat really doesn't change anything. Sonic relies on the cows and was because of their there and he knows when to use them to get the job done. Mario uses them continuously throughout the entire games.
The "Can he beat Goku?" crowd: (Sweatin...)
Fr, these two characters are literally a dimension higher
@@meachy1 ''mario destroys higher dimensions''
@@p1000-ratti both can destroy higher dimensions. Your point is useless.
Archie sonic about to clap Goku
Goku slams either of them
Your response is amazing! I still have the same problem from the last video, and that is you keep saying that all Mario's are different. Miyamoto saying that all Marios are the same is not a writer's fallacy cuz it's not like he stopped helping on Mario games after Sunshine and retired or something, he still helps out. I'm not gonna go on a tangent like i did on my last comment but, dude, come on, if that were the case, how tf are Rosalina and Captain Toad in 3D World? Also there's nothing said by anyone at Nintendo proving your take either
(Edit: just googled it and from an article from THIS YEAR, Miyamoto still produces basically every Nintendo game, so yes is word does have weight)
I didn’t notice most some of m you would take it so literal, so I’ll clarify. Every single Mario isn’t the same exact Mario, yes some are the same but not all. That’s what I mean I understand the confusion
@@Tyrecordslolit doesn't feel right to say there's a different mario because of differences in gameplay. having fall damage in 64 and not other games is simply differences in game design. if we counted that as a different mario, we could also say that sonic in generations is a different sonic from in the adventure games/unleashed, since one needs certain shoes to perform the light speed dash, while the other has the ability innately.
@@Tyrecordslol I didn't expect you to reply lol
@@Tyrecordslol also, thanks for clarifying though
@@inazumarai7690Except it's confirmed from generation that it's the same Sonic, since the story is about them reliving the past. And Sonic frontiers even confirmed them to be the same Sonic.
Ian Flynn once said he was going to put Hyper Sonic in the Final boss in Frontiers, but denied by Sega. Sega you can keep denying Hyper Sonic, but he still exists. Even Hyper Sonic was used in fighting sprite videos with other characters.
That was a huge L move on SEGA.
Even if those Sprite animations are non-cannon. Super Sonic 2 would be an instant execution for even Super Star Mario. But Hyper will exist in our hearts.
Everything was great expect the “not very Mario is the same Mario” the only exception to this is paper Mario which exists in a book in the normal universe. Mario and Paper Mario exists as two separate entities but Mario has also went on all the paper mario adventures.
Every*
not all of the adventures
Paper Jam is NOT canon I repeat, if it was it would be a time paradox according to Mario canon
@@LCLGod Paper Jam is canon. It's not a paradox in the slightest.
@@SatisfactionVIP Yes all the adventures. They all fit pretty perfectly together. I can send you a link to the marioverse mario timeline subreddit If you want.
I swear some people forget what a death battle is about, it's about characters at their full potential and who would win
Their*
@@metal_pipe9764 thanks, didn't notice it
A death battle doesn’t always need them at their strongest, that isn’t a “NEED” it’s just makes sense to do so
You should do another video with the side characters. Everyone has gone back-and-forth on sonic and Mario and we all have the same arguments. It would be cool to see tails versus Luigi or Amy versus peach. Or even Bowser versus Eggman.
fun fact: to do a strong attack, you also need to be able to tank it yourself. and since strength = mass + speed (or something like that, just mainly focus on speed in this comment), and since sonic is definitely faster than time due to being able to traverse universes and go through time, his attacks would realistically probably be able to shatter a fucking universe in one casual attack
Maybe the reason why Mario doesn’t take fall damage in 3D World and in 64 he does is probably because he learned from his mistakes
he learnt to bend his knees
@@inazumarai7690Because Mario learns from his mistakes
The lore is real.
Mario can basically ground pound while falling a bit lower to the ground.
I will never understand why Sonic fans have a need to latch onto Mario.
This is what a decade of having no good games does to a fandom lol
That… is actually a fair point.
Frontiers wasn't good? Mania? Tf 😭
Every sonic game had a potential of being good but hated on critics of ign. Like come on, they gave unleash a bad score when that game was good. There’s lots of people who say it’s better then oddessy.
There was good games what are you talking about?
@@xliteisaiahheheyeah, the people who say that are bots on twitter
Mario has travelled through universes in seconds and simply said "yes". Beats one of the most godly enemies in his small form. Escaped a black hole for "fun"
Snic doesn't play around since hes the fastest rizzhog around the sonic universe
Sonic got that rizz fr fr
💀
That dude literally sounds like this emoji : 🤓
I don't really see a reason why these two would ever fight each other. I could see them competing like in Mario & Sonic in the Olympics, or in Mario Kart series (btw, Sonic deserved to be in MK8 Deluxe more than Link, Isabelle, Villager, and the Inklings), but never the reason to fight against one another. If they ran into some kind of fued or war like Captain America and Iron Man, the two of them wouldn't even go that far into destroying or massacring themselves.
20:05 Also, in 06 he wants to travel with his friends. Not all of his friends are fast enough to time travel
In regurds to time travel Mario's friends can ALL keep up.
As the creators of Death Battle said on their first battle if we take Base Sonic and base Mario without power ups , Sonic simply defeats Mario by speed alone. Sonic's speed doesnt have a limit and the faster he goes the faster he hits. Mario needs power ups to stand a chance. The moment however Sonic goes super or hyper its game over. There is nothing that can hit him and there is nothing that Mario can do from Hyper Sonics instant erasure ability.
People downplay Sonic for the same reason they downplay Spider man. They’re happy go lucky. They’ve never seen what they both can truly do.
Sonic Vs Kirby is a whole other discussion, and there’s gotta be some ground rules
Honestly a fight between them would be stupid as hell, sonic hits mario, he gets small and uses a mushroom. Mario his Sonic and he loses rings but gets them back, Sonic hits mario and he gets small again but uses a fire flower. Then Mario roasts sonic and he loses rings. Then it just keeps repeating.
First of all:
ruclips.net/video/pXJta830qtw/видео.htmlsi=plOqPferB4JxYQuJ (and this isn’t the only debunk to this video. There 2 other ones from other people)
Second of all (get ready for an essay of yapping), while I’ll keep everything else I said up, I can’t really say this was a good response anymore. I used to think so, and while it has some fair things in it, it’s not that good after realizing that I basically had my comment section bombed with some poor arguments and had multiple vids full of comments of people hating on me over some debate between Mario and Sonic. I feel like this couldn’t have been avoided regardless of if my channel was shown or not, since searching up a debunk to his video doesn’t take that long. But Why do Sonic fans care so damn much about him beating Mario anyway? To feel better about how much more stuff Mario is better at than Sonic? (Even though Sonic has other things he’s better at than Mario.) I don’t really understand other than what some of them described as a “let us have this” type thing. Sure, my original video had some poor points or minor toxic or aggressive stuff on my end that I admit in my second video about this (and being hateful wasn’t my intention as stated in the end of the video), but I didn’t expect to basically get dismissed in various points rather than responded to even though people in this and other comment sections called out that I had fair points, or that Tyre had flaws in his video he wasn’t willing to acknowledge. And I’m not gonna talk about the short he made calling me a clown on one of the points I wasn’t aggressive about. I didn’t want to, but I ended up walking out with a tainted image of Sonic and loss of interest in watching the RUclipsr who created a community of miners… filled with younger and immature (or just older but still immature) people who apparently get off on making fun of a different opinion, because heaven forbid someone has a take that isn’t glazing Sonic. (And he still hasn’t followed through on correcting his main argument that got disproved by a “Mario sweat” on his own discord. I really wish that last statement would age poorly, but I can’t get my hopes up.) And I’m not gonna talk about the fact he left out me bringing up his “Mario isn’t even planet level” claim. If you’ve made it this far, just know I don’t hate Tyrecordslol at all, as he’s pretty funny, and it’s not like his video is 100% wrong, as he’s done his research on some aspects that I could’ve, but not all of them, and what I do hate is the fan base of the character he clearly likes more that most people including me already looked down on. Of course I’m well aware of the non toxic people in the fandom or in the debate that are self aware. I’ve spoke with plenty of them, and can definitely come to respect THEIR opinions.
And third of all, my original stuff: I never knew I used to sound like that much of a kindergartener when I record 😂
But I will say that every Mario from the games is still the same. There’s no good proof except game mechanics (which are self-explanatorily wrong) or Paper Jam, but that game as well as Paper Mario games show that Mario’s adventures are illustrated in that Magical book that can bring things to life, meaning Mario still went on those journeys, they’re just being told with a different aspect/perspective. (And Paper Jam arguably has too many inconsistencies to be a valid way of determine canon for Paper Mario.)
And the Black Hole Mario couldn’t escape was the ones in game, not in the end cutscene. I forgot to mention that but that should’ve been kinda self explanatory… (the black hole in the final cutscene was also destroying everything, not just stars and planets…)
Honestly, even tho he did actually make some correct points, it is still very wrong.
It is okay man everyone makes mistakes just be right
How is this not the top comment and why did it only have 1 like 💀
It was a good response, but I still don't like how he keeps saying that all Mario's are different, because there are 2 different versions of Mario, therefore that must mean that all Mario's are not the same, and that there are inconsistencies with him out swimming the black hole in Mario Party but not doing the same in Galaxy, so that must mean they are different! And there's an Indian Mario, and Black Mario, so yeah all Mario's are Total different!
I do agree that there is a Mario multiverse, all Mario's are the same and Miyamoto's words hold weight with him saying that cuz you know, he literally helps out with modern Mario games (I think). That's not an example of writers fallacy, and his example of bringing of Ian with him saying that Archie Sonic couldn't beat UI Goku is stupid as well cuz he could've been referring to post Genesis Wave Archie Sonic and not Pre Genesis Wave, cuz that's the one that the series ended on.
Just like how Miyamoto said that Mario is just like Mickey Mouse, he's like a cartoon character, in some moments he's shown doing some amazing feat and in the next he couldn't, same how Sonic has some inconsistencies, like how he could barely outrun the black hole in Colors, but easily does it in Shuffle.
@@NRPG64Bro tryna be respectful in this reply but he then he said "L Debunk Lmao"
Remember paper Mario is a different person from regular Mario
AND SONIC AND CLASSIC SONIC ARE THE SAME PERSON NO MATTER WHATEVER THE HECK FORCES SAYS
I always find rebuking debunking video’s hilarious because they’re trying to make you look wrong but they end up being wrong
I like how you say that but after seeing the debunks tyrecords ends up being wrong
@@brendaflowers1719 Mario is about galaxy level because of Mario Galaxy. But sonic is Universe level because he fought and defeated Perfect Chaos in Sonic Generations, a being powered by ALL SEVEN CHAOS EMERALDS.
Also, why do you still care? I made this comment five months ago. Did you really have nothing better to do with your life besides continue a topic that everyone had moved on from?
@@omegaproductions6660 cool Mario has defeated culex, dimentio who was gonna destroy all timelines
And dude, Culex would lose to Solaris. Someone that SUPER SONIC BEAT.
@@omegaproductions6660mario is easily universal level imao
Funny bc he said "Rings are just a gameplay mechanic" when in Sonic Generations Tails has a brief statement saying something like "I've always wondered where he(Sonic) keeps all those rings.
But I gotta give this man props for having the balls to try to go against Tyrecords and defend Mario when Mario is clearly weaker then Sonic, Rpg Mario and Regular Mario are clearly different if that wasn't the case then Mario would have rpg aspects in every game. That's like saying Paper Mario and Regular Mario are the same Mario, it's just no. If Paper Mario and Regular Mario were the same Mario then tf happened in Origami King?
That's not how that works, he's a video game character, of course hes not gonna have access to every ability from each game he's been in ya goofy, same how sonic doesn't have access to most power ups he's had in other games lol
Also, it's in the name, RPG, they are different genres of games, of course a platforming game like most Mario games are aren't gonna have RPG aspects
@@shinyxz9 ik that's like saying I'ma give Odyssey Mario the Tanooki Leaf, you just can't
@@shinyxz9 fr, some ppl be meat riding Mario, not every Mario is the same Mario
@@kirbytrent1 While I do agree some people meat ride Mario, people do the same with Sonic and far worse.
And Paper Jam isn't reliable due to all the inconsistencies it has like Pokey contradicting established lore in Mario. It's most likely an unrelated dimension. Mario and Paper Mario being confirmed to be the same countless of times>Paper Mario being shown as separate in only one inconsistent game.
12:03 I love how you used that image I literally just seen that for the first time like two days ago
bro said sonic couldn't use chaos control
And then they say Ty is bias.
@@NebulaSon faxs
Is it ture that the master emerald can break off the hyper Form?
@@3DoublePoint like break it off as in disable the hyper form
@@HIM.777 Yes like how knuckles use the Master Emerald to Knock off Super Sonic form in "Sonic the Hedgehog 3".
As soon as bro said "LIKE THE VIDEO" the like button started glowing
It depends on what mario variant is fighting sonic
well josh is obvs suggesting a comp sonic vs modern sonic
i think the wonder flower just makes him trip. likee someone doing coca###
FUN FACT:
You know mario and sonic are actually best friends
It was only the past when sega and nintendo had a console war
Now sega worked with Nintendo
No
Proof?
@@90abonnessansvideosdu42The Olympics games
@@90abonnessansvideosdu42
google it
With? For? You know. The war's over and Nintendo came out on top. THAT is why Mario beats Sonic.😉
Sonic is Hyperversal Level with evidence of being 26D or higher due to the mentions/inventions involving of a possible String Theory.
Its not about who has the better game. Its about who's more powerful...
it's not speed is acceleration but your point still stands
Ty you were spitting until you said “everything is canon isn’t true” It’s 100% is true, you just don’t understand the cosmology of the verse. Archie Sonic, Movie Sonic and so on are all different Sonics in parallel universes. So they’re ALL canon, just different universes so the timeline doesn’t mess up.
I think he was referring to the NSFW side being non-canon when he brought that up
@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Well of course that’s not canon, it’s not official material.
Sonic has defeated a GOD, known as Chaos.
Sonic also has a hammer space where he can store things like powerups and weapons like caliburn
In Sonic Lost World, there's like a suitcase thing where he stores his things.
So does Mario
I like how every time someone say Sonic has a something, Mario fans just say "so does Mario" as an argument.
@@cirnosnumberfan6449 well it’s true, where do you think Mario stores his stuff to use as his Arsenal.
You realize Mario has a chest in Peach's Castle where she can just send him gear; note to mention letters containing power ups for some reason, right?
finally SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SONICS TRUE POWER
3:01 Solaris is a omnipresent.Which is a state of being of existing in more than one place.
20:08-20:26 Actually if Sonic could travel through time in his base for that game. It would have been faster for him to travel through time by running instead going on a mission of searching for another Chaos Emerald like Shadow suggested, when they arrived in the future.
While I do agree with this, I gotta say that it was probably better to find a chaos emerald because when Sonic time travels, it seems to be ONLY Sonic that can time travel. Think about when Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow and Rouge were stuck in the future in 06. If Sonic ran back to the past, then he'd be leaving everyone behind. Maybe Shadow could learn how to travel back in time by observing Sonic do it, but that would still leave Tails, Knuckles and Rouge stuck in the future with no way of leaving but to find the chaos emeralds, which would be faster if Sonic and Shadow were there to help.
I'm not saying your statement is wrong, it just seems better to use the emeralds.
Thx tyler I love sonic. But i think you overlooked something.
The reason sonic used the chaos emerald instead of the running is bcus he wanted to bring other people (like tails) with him to the another timeline.
Anyway great vid i dont know if you read comments but im curious about your thoughts.
Welp. Guess we doing this again. A debunk to a debunk to a debunk. Huh, say that five times fast. Anyways-
*The Dimentio feat*
Once again, even if it doesn't show other Mario games, Super Dimentio was stilk wiping out worlds like it was nothing, and as we know by the Sammer Kingdom, the worlds are practically universes, so yeah. Dimentio would probably still be on par with Solaris. Plus, iirc Dimentio scales to the void which consumes all the worlds and dimensions, aka Multi+, so you could argue Super Dimentio > Solaris. And once again, even if you get help from your friends, it's....still, Multi+. Should probably mention that Paper Mario items and Pixls don't give them any other form as well. Can't say the same for Pure Hearts, but I'm pretty sure Pure Hearts are standard for him. Even if you don't buy Multi+ Dimentio, there's also Dreamy Bowser, who was the embodiment of the Dream Stone. The Dream Stone is composed of 7,670,250,000,000,000,000 dreams/universes The Dream depot possibly has 7,670,250,000,000,000,000 endless cycles of infinite sets of dreams multiplying into infinite sets of Dreams. So yeah, Multi+ is still valid.
*Miyamoto's statement*
That's...not an authour's fallacy. That just confirms that Mario has no set canon. That's ENTIRELY different from saying "A Goomba could solo Goku". Like, duh it's gonna be false. They don't know how to powerscale. Paper Jam's Paper Mario didn't come from another dimension anyway, it came from a storybook which I'm pretty sure is just a book about Mario on his past adventures. Plus, ain't that other Mario game with the different races non canon?
*The speed to force thingy*
Don't really have an actual problem with the logic behind that but no, Mario is on par with or stronger than Sonic. He's casually harming Bowser, who tanked the Galaxy Reactor which is REPEATEDLY stated to decide the fate of the universe, that's far above anything base Sonic can do. He's only Planet - Multi-Solar System.
*The black hole feat*
Mario outswam one in Mario Party, ain't gonna sugarcoat it...okay maybe just a little. The Galaxy feat is like, one anti feat. Sonic didn't even outrun the black hole in Colors, but apparently it's still valid? Like, what??? And being similar to a black hole doesn't automatically mean you're a black hole. Whike I don't agree with the Rosalina statement, that adds on to the other point that Base Mario is stronger than Base Sonic, since Mario beats a Grand Star amped version of Bowser, soooo- plus, the galaxy WAS reset??? Didn't you literally show a clip of Rosalina stating that herself?????
*The M&L RPGs*
Once again, RPGs are canon. There's literally no proof that they aren't.
*Violet Wisp Sonic*
Warping space and time does not automatically equal a black hole. Plus, Super Sonic being stronger than Violet Wisp Sonic doesn't automatically mean Sonic will just go "I'll just casually create a black hole even if I actually can't!" Plus Power Stars can actually contain black holes, sooooo-
*Modern and Classic are the same*
Okay yeah that's just dumb, Classic's literally stated to be from a separate dimension. Plus in Generations they were literally divided into different entities. YOU LITERALLY SAY THIS YOURSELF BRO WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????
*FTL Mario*
Not stated =/= not canon, FTL Mario is pretty damn consistent, not to mention that in game, Mario reacts to launch stars, which can fling him to galaxies in seconds. Just because Mario doesn't always travel at light speed in game doesn't mean that he's not lighit speed. Plus he consistently dodged lasers in the RPGs so yeah, pretty consistent.
*Hyper Sonic being standard*
Just because Death Battle gave them Hyper Sonic doesn't automatically mean Sonic gets Hyper Sonic. That's really fuckin' dumb, like genuinely. Even if he mentioned it, doesn't mean he has access to it. Pretty sure the creator said that himself.
While Sonic does hold his advantages, Mario's items and stats can practically counter or do the same thing than said advantages. Stopping time? Stopwatch. Wishing power? Star Rod. Rewind time? Retry Clocks. Auto flight? There's multiple options that allow Mario flight. Immeasurable speed? Mario's moved through a void where nothing existed, not even time. Overall, Mario just outclasses Sonic. Do I think it's a stomp? Hell no, it could go either way, but I just think Mario has better arguments for winning than Sonic.
Man made an essay that still doesn’t show that Mario wins the fight
No. It shows EITHER could win. Sonic doesn't just get an easy victory. His hubris is his downfall in every game. Mario is SMARTER.
Pride before fall goes to Sonic Slow and Steady wins goes to Mario
@@paulgilbert5278 Facts 💯
Mario party isn’t canon
Sonic also defeated the knight himself, KING ARTHUR.
I appreciate how he cares about other channels and tells people not to send hate
An outerversal vs a multiverse.
Sonic solos
Give me your discord right now lmao
@WaddledeeEdits don't have it. Not going to argue with a mario wanker
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 "No time to argue with a Mario wanker" says the one who said Sonic was boundless yet he has shown no feats that get him there.
Alr lil bro sonic > mario but sonic is NOT outerversal 😭🙏🔥
@sonicthehedgehog1606 not going to waste my time with a thundershen 2.0
Mario can't beat sonic, but Mario definitely is strong
Some will not accept the truth 😂
Ik
Bro co clowning him 😢😂
Ikr! 🤣
Wait your name is Josiah too? Neat.
One thing you said mentioned in 18:20 ,this is true since when they said this they meant that all different versions of sonic are from different realities but still exist in the game world, which is why they stated everything is canon, not because they were saying that it’s all the same sonic
Mario can't beat sonic
Sonic is too fast, no matter what ability Mario has sonic can simply dodge it
Mario may have a quick reaction time 14:51
But sonic is faster than the speed of light, fast enough to travel through time
Mario loses.
Mario has reacted to light speed things before. Lasers, lighting and he piloted Starship Mario who can travel through space-time in order to reach unknown worlds.
@@NRPG64I was literally about to comment something similar
"Sonic is to fast" basically every sonic fan argument on why sonic beats mario
Mario had Irrelevant speed
Mario and sonic are equal in strength, and durability
But speed Mario is too slow
Sonic GOES BEYOND THE SPEED OF LIGHT
Mario has reacted to light speed but not beyond it
This was a very interesting and informative debate,very good!
Bro all people have a different opinions in my opinion sonic would win over Mario like I said it's my opinion who agrees
👇👇👇 Both are the goats tho
It would probably be a close fight but Sonic word take the w
@@shadow.1691true
I think mario wins
I never understood why people could compare Mario to Sonic. It's like comparing a grenade to a nuclear bomb.
so does it mean that ever sonic is the same sonic two?
CLASSIC SONIC IS LITTERALY MORDEN SONIC BUT *YOUNGER* ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
@@capone6716 what about other sonic's Universe?
Edit: Sonic Boom, Sonic X, Sonic Forces, Sonic Prime, Sonic movie are the same Sonic?
@user-pv9vx9nz1s he wasnt talking about prime, Boom, x, or movie. And forces IS main timeline sonic
7:38
That’s… like saying a person can survive a hit with a stick and the same person not surviving a hammer are different people. The Mario party black hole is weaker than the one in galaxy.
Mario literally destroyed a Void with one punch, which includes to Infinity dimensions!, and after he destroyed it and didn't destroy himself, destroying a Void requires infinite strength and durability! which mario did with one punch before bowser could marry peach, man mario has literally infinite strength and durability in his base form without power ups!
and ultra sonic can punch through multiple dimensions,run at the speed of light and sometimes beyong and run through said dimensions,ol pulmber bout to lose 3 lives,how are you supposed to hit something you dont even have a grasp of?
@@N.jadaka you dumfok, sonic has just NEVER done ANY of that mario did destroyed a Void with one punch why a thing you can't understand even a bit of it you say a thing of it?
@@N.jadaka In addition, a Void contains infinite dimensions, not just a few, sonic is something between a universe and a multiverse not even higher, even Ultra Sonic cannot survive the explosion of a multiverse, and even if Sonic wishes something to happen, nothing will happen to Mario. He's immune to this stuff. The most Ultra Sonic has ever done is run through multiple universes to find his own.
That's your problem, you don't even know who Mario is, not me, kid
@@p1000-ratti and heres your problem,you dont know sonic, like i said before he can run dimensions,it was never stated that sonic was tired or drained and there was a set amount he coud go through, we are talking bout ultra sonic,but lowkey which game did mario do this
@@N.jadaka Again, Sonic did none of those things, Paper Mario
17:22
Another correction: Super Knuckles caused by the Chaos Emeralds not the Super Emeralds. Hyper Knuckles is caused by the Supet Emeralds.
On top of that, Ian states that line was designed to be vague enough to where Sega can bring back Super Knuckles, or just Knuckles being so cocky that if he could go super, he could get everything done faster.
And even then, Sonic Heroes did have him transform with the Chaos Emeralds, which the line can easily reference that scene. Not Super Knuckles from Sonic 3.
He didn’t say super knuckles was caused by the super emeralds tho
@@beanmaster768 He brings up Super Knuckles being canon as a point to Hyper Sonic being canon.
If it wasn’t accidentally calling Knuckles Hyper Knuckles Super Knuckles. How does Super Knuckles being canon support his claim of Hyper Sonic and the Super Emeralds being canon?
Actually knuckles went hyper with the regular emeralds. Whether it’s the game , or comics.
Mario has multiple skills and has learned so much throughout all of the mario games. SOnic is just fast.. Mario folds sonic, but next is Link vs Sonic
didnt sonic do the same lol
nope@@awesomeblacka4423
Aint no way you just said that bruh 💀
Matpat made a video about the topic@@Robert-ux9tf
he didnt learn nothing
Lets be honest Kirby solos
he doesn't
With his super suck powers? 💀
@@cirnosnumberfan6449Give him hypernova
@@cirnosnumberfan6449nah he’s doing that to me😩
6:46
To go against that person’s claims, rings were mentioned in Generations between Modern and Classic Tails, SA1 does show Sonic collecting rings before fighting Chaos for the first time, Sonic Prime shows him collecting rings, and the collect a ton rings missions in both Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.
@Redacted-FM Modern & Classic Tails mentions the rings in the cutscene before the credits.
And Ian Flynn, the writer for IDW and Frontiers has stated that Prime is canon. As Izuka wants all new Sonic projects like comics and shows to be cannon. I do agree on the inconsistencies in Prime tho, and it is a fair point. It mostly works like Battle where it can be treated as Supporting evidence.
@Redacted-FM Ian did outright say it was canon. On the Bumblekast channel. When a fan tried treating it as non-canon.
But to be honest I’m not gonna look for the video. There are to many. If you want to, look at the videos around Season 1 of Sonic Prime. Even if you don’t trust Ian.
@Redacted-FM He’s a part of the lore team for the Sonic series who’s main goal is to revise the official lore into something more consistent. If their job revolves around Sonic lore, it makes sense to trust them on the canonicity of Sonic.
i came in here and there were more likes than views on this video 👁👄👁
RUclips is drunk again💀💀
@@shadow.1691 💀
Classic Sonic is confirmed to not be a separate dimension Sonic post Forces multiple times.
Ay love that Josiah is in your video, I honestly respect how he believes Mario wins! Even if I may disagree!
Thanks man!
Sonic just got a new form too in Frontiers. Mario is done for 😂
Yet Mario games still bring in more money
@@TristanJohnson-vz7sl not exactly what the argument is about but ok
Sonic feels more on Goku’s league. Sorry Mario
Both Mario and Sonic SOLO Goku lmao
Mario and Goku it’s close but Mario takes it. As for Sonic, he destroys both lol
Ofc he just a Copycat of goku 🙄
@@3DoublePoint yeah and no
@@vipexplayz YES!!
As someone who played mario wonder, the wonder flowers literally do nothing but change the environment, and the giant castle that bowser turns into, that’s the outside, and the only reason bowser could do that is cuz he’s bad
Bro even Nintendo know that sonic neggs mario.
Sonic better feats, cosmology, and scaling in general.
I can get mario to outerversal possibly high outer don't duck
@@WaddledeeEdits outerversal mario has been debunked many times before. I can get sonic to boundless. I can send to links to mario debunks but youtube doesn't let me
@@WaddledeeEditsMario caps at universal.
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Sonic is nowhere near boundless. And almost all the debunks for outerversal Mario are completely ass lmao. We can run that.
@@Kuno7i "Mario caps at universal" now I know you don't know just shit about Mario and his cosmology.
1. We have Matter Splash Galaxy, which was translated to be a superspace. And no, it os not a hyperspace. Superspace and hyperspace have two different kanjis and the kanji in Matter Splash Galaxy translated to superspace and the definition of Superspace is the concept of space-time which is outerversal.
2. The Dream Depot turns everyone's dreams into universes and since the Dream Depot existed since the beginning of time and that time goes on for entirety as Queen Jaydes, Rosalina and the Star Spirits states, it would male tne Dream Depot infinite dimensional which is high hyperversal. And Mario defeated Bowser to the point of unconsciousness and Bowser was going to destroy the Dream Depot so he scales.
3. We have Flipside which connects to higher planes of existence including the transcendent Overthere and is between dimensions and is outside mathematical dimensions making it dimensionless. Being dimensionless is low outer.
4. Mario's Time Machine, it is shown that Plato's Book, the Republic exists in Mario, and is referred to as "the truth" by Aristotle, who in real life was the only person to object to Plato's Theory of Forms introduced in The Republic. There are analogies that bear resemblances to those in said book, and likewise, the game says that it explains the world, the universe and all things, and answers countless questions. In the end, if The Republic is actually legitimate in Mario, it would mean the Intelligible World with all Universal concepts exists, and thus aspatial and atemporal Forms also exist, and thus The Void would erase them all, and thus Dimentio would be able to too. And if Dimentio can, of course, Mario scales since Mario defeated Dimentio. Again, the Republic is shown in Mario's Time Machine.
All of this scales to Mario since he tanked the void which was going to consume all of existence in Mario by consuming all worlds, dimensions, all timelines and all possibilities and Mario defeated Super Dimentio in base and no, the Pure Hearts only removed his invincibility and made him vulnerable and didn't weaken him.
Even without the feats or arguments SONICS EXISTS TO SURPASS MARIO!!! Game wise personally wise even strength wise. SONICS ONLY PURPOSE IS TO BE BETTER THAN MARIO!!!!!
Exactly. And Sonic IS better than Mario. SEGA Does What Nintrashdon't
After seeing the mario rpg game remake and culex new form i don't know
Death Battle is trash when there’s a Mario vs Sonic fight
Honestly the idea of Mario, no matter the power-ups, beating Sonic in a fight is silly to me. Not even going off any nitty gritty lore, but just what can be observed from gameplay. Those videos where they put SM64 Mario in Sonic Unleashed/Generations shows it pretty well. Sonic simply outdoes Mario in every department one way or another. I doubt the plumber could even land a hit.
Mario has a counter to EVERYTHING and isn't egotistical; something Mario could use to his advantage to outsmart Sonic.
Dude, Sonic matured throughout the games. And saying Mario has a counter to everything is fallacious at best, and not worth listening to at worst. @@Nick-up5wv
@@mikedanielespeja6128 No. He's still a narracist with attitude. And Mario REALLY does have a counter power up item to Sonic If you ACTUALLY played the games. You're just a biased Sonic fan. You're like a Star Wars fan trying to convince me it's better than Star Trek. Star Trek better than Star Wars. Marvel better than DC. Mario better than Sonic. Mortal Kombat better than Street Fighter. These are just FACTS bro!
@@Nick-up5wv Actual complete delusion. How does Mario counter Sonic's speed? His spin-dash strong enough to shatter in a second what Mario at best needs a long wind-up to break? He doesn't have a counter to anything. And Sonic is far from a narcissist. Literally experiencing any of the games or comics would prove that notion wrong. If anyone here is ignorant, it's you.
@@lazynihilanth1899 No. Sonic has ALWAYS been too cocky for his own good and rushes into battle without a plan. He's got 90's attitude, don't know what YOUR thinking. Also Mario could just hit Sonic's spindash with a hammer or jump over him. Mario can COMPLETELY counter him. You're just a goofy Fanboy that probably grew up with 2,000's Sonic instead of 1992. Sonic NEEDS items and friends to win. Mario does not. Also Nintendo gave Sega money so Sonic could survive. Sonic fans can kiss Mario fans' ass as far as I'm concerned. You people shouldn't be praising Sonic you should be thanking Mario.
It's all fun and games when you realize og mario needs to be hit 3 times to die while sonic can tank a lot..
Comp Mario has a good chance, but no individual Mario can beat sonic
Yeah and tys response got debunked
As much as i love mario, sonic claps his cheeks
Depends
Sure Mario meat glazer
@@joycenelms2490 Who me?
Sonic obviously wins. I’d argue he isn’t as strong as some people let him out to be but even if you consider the final horizon he basically did an attack that could destroy most of if not the entire planet and Mario isn’t doing that in any universe.
Also just the fact that sonic can hurt Solaris at all makes it obvious already
Sonic doesn't need power-ups in order to get his job done. Mario does. And Mario need Allies to take down a threat bigger than him. Mario fans would use any excuses under the sun only the say "Proof?" after you've proven them wrong in countless arguements 😂😂😂 So glad I'm no longer a Mario fan. Who would want to a the fan of a loser-plumber.
At least Mario has the better games.
@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official lmao only argument? Sonic superstars and sonic frontiers are good I will say it’s looking better for sonic now
@@N0SK96 I agree 100% Sure the meta era was not a good run for sonic, but Sonic Frontier (my game of 2022) and the upcoming Sonic Superstars is better than anything Mario has come up with imo
@@RaccoonThunderMario_OfficialSonic Frontiers >>>>>>>> Super Mid Oddball-sey
@@afronautexplorer144 lmao we don’t talk about 06
W Tyler! For Not Hating On This Guy! Tho, I Do Thing Sonic The The GOAT Like You Proved Ib Your Recent Video
actually, according to sega, classic is still younger modern. they aren't separate dimensions anymore.
See? BOTH companies are NOT consistent with the lore, making this difficult for us fans to determine. There's only 2 ways to look at this:
1. If you're a Mario fan Mario wins. If you're a Sonic fan Sonic wins.
2. Sega needed a bailout in order for Sonic to continue existing and having modern adventures in the first place. Sorry, but Sega does NOT do what Nintendon't. Sega needed Nintendo's help to keep Sonic around. Therefore Nintendo, as a company, wins and Mario beats Sonic by proxy. Also Mario makes more money for his company, so...
MARIO WINS!!!🏆
@@Nick-up5wv no. that is Sega vs Nintendo, not mario vs sonic. In a PHYSICAL battle between Mario and Sonic, Sonic would win. All of Sonic's accomplishments from the cannon games, and IDW comics showcase that sonic is more powerful than every mario combined. basically classic and modern sonic are the same and all (non spin-off) games are canon, while most mario games are not canon to each other. sonic's lore and story is much more cohesive than mario's, so don't act like they can't be compared.
Mario is too slow Sonic is faster than light in base and super sonic too powerful
In my opion sonic vs mario could go eitger way because in smash bros they could defeat each other
Either I meant not eitger
In sonic generations tails said that he can run through time by fixing the dimension
Bro I still think mario would win. You can’t change my mind
Reality is a tie but I’m a Mario kid so I have to agree
@@paulgilbert5278 Fr
Honestly yeah, I agree too. I’m not going back on what I’m claiming.
@@JosiahTheStickGuy it’s too late to go back
@@jafetvaldez1065 yeah, but regardless of that I still believe in what I believe!
Sonic will win.
I think Sonic would win because he has better abilities and most thing
sonic could survive lava in sonic 2 as long as he had at least 1 ring. also, thats CLASSIC sonic, YOUNGER SONIC COULD SURVIVE LAVA IN METROPOLIS ZONE! if classic sonic can survive lava with a ring, so can modern sonic.
i feel like this black hole thing isn't really fair on either character because their success on escaping depends on whether the plot/ganeplay depends on it. (anything can happen in mario party)
and on the fall damage thing, it's just a gameplay mechanic.
neither of the people making the stories for these franchises don't really care about consistencies between stories which is why there will always be plotholes - they don't have the foresight to make every story work seamlessly.
imo sonic beats mario, i have no clue how mario could ever keep up with that guy
Without bias do you have any facts? Mario has a counter for everything Sonic can throw at him and vice-versa. Mario isn't as cocky though and THAT could be used against Sonic.
This all could've been avoided if he played the games, glad to see you weren't being toxic though. Also what are your thoughts on frontiers' boss themes (undefeatable, break through it all, etc)
Ayyye thanks for reading my comment Tyler! Anyways about the author fallacy thing, Ian Flynn when he said Archie Sonic loses to Goku was confirmed by himself that it was a joke. Yes even if he wasn’t joking it couldn’t be further from the truth.
Where did he confirm that was a joke?
the main problem I see is, the other guy is acutely byus and not Tyler. I don't know why every mario fan says he is stronger when sonic has a lot of force when he is attacking enemy's which means he himself is stronger.