You are the only instructor I have ever heard make reference to the lady softball pitchers. I have emailed other top instructors asking if they have ever watched their underhand motion to see if there is any knowledge to be gained that would help the golf swing, but never heard back. For one thing their motion looks like the right elbow leads the hand right up to the time it comes to the right hip, then the hand snaps forward.
I’ve heard shift your weight to the lead foot before the down swing so much because they say you’re stuck on your trail foot if not. To me it seems impossible not to have most of you weight on the trail foot if you maintain the spine angle and keep your head back
To the naysayers: Your spine is located in the rear of your torso. If you rotate around the tip of your spine it will often appear you are sliding your hips. Some people do this and can make it work but that doesn't mean its the correct or easiest way. I think Bobby is spot on.
It is more of a sidearm delivery than underhanded. Langer does that move in which his right hip turns away immediately to his left, when looking face on, more any pro I have seen. A lot of pros, their right hip does not move either way until 3/4 in backswing then right hip backs away from target.
Bobby, I love the videos you are the best I'm 47 I have bad knees and been using the Moe norman swing but my knees are week and I sway offsides I have recently been trying the shawn clement throw the club feel and a little bit of swing speed training do you have any good tips that could help
I can do this move when I'm using my left hand only. However, when I use both hands and being right dominant, I struggle with this move as I'm focused more with anchoring my right elbow to my body. How do I fix this?
+Jancen here's the truth about what happens when a person (right handed) starts their downswing by "tucking in the RIGHT elbow", you'll find when you do that 2 things happen according to the laws of physics: 1. You come OUTSIDE ACROSS(over the top), and 2. Your LEFT elbow COMES OUT at impact(chicken wing). So, how do you fix that? The answer is just the opposite, to start the downswing, instead of tucking in the right elbow, TUCK IN THE LEFT ELBOW, that guarantees 2 things: 1. You come Inside or down the line at the target(just the opposite of coming over the top) and here it is 2.By tucking in your LEFT elbow, when you hit impact BOTH OF YOUR ELBOWS ARE CLOSE TO YOUR BODY. The Left one STAYS IN(no chicken wing) and your right elbow IS ALSO tucked in. Hope this helps, take care :)
Bobby, just got through watching your series with BBG golf. Great stuff. I'm trying like hell to stay onsides but it's killing my lower back on the right side (I play right handed). What am I doing wrong.
yep, the whole point of shifting your weight is pushing through your left foot to stop your upper body from moving towards the target with the club. mike malaska talks about this. good players make a very dramatic weight shift, but it’s a pressure shift, not a drift.
If there is a secret to golf- let's call it a common trait among elite ball strikers - it's the ability some people have to properly, effectively, and consistently rotate their hips on the downswing without the shoulders following suit. The right shoulder drops only if the hips clear and the shoulders don't.
Lol there is not secrets to golf. I actually hate it when people use the word secret because it keeps influencing the newer players that there's a "shortcut" to be good at this game. I find that's what leads players down the bumpy road to 1000 swing changes. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of valuable information out there that can help you but at the end of the day you being "good" at golf comes down to how much you practice these techniques and how dedicated you are to being better. On average professionals have practiced anywhere between 5000-10000 hours before they turned pro. That's equivalent to 200-400 days of just in time practice. Which in smaller terms in spending a minimum of 2-3 hours everyday with 0 breaks for 10 years. So once you add in the fact that you're human and you have other things you have to do as well that number keeps rising. This is reality people! Nothing great ever came from watching a 1 hour dvd..
+Alex excellent response!...I know that certain changes have helped my swing..but, going to far into all the many variables can be a real hinderance! I've been golfing for three and half years now..(I'm 57)..my score is hovering around 84 now..I've hit several eagles and five games under 80..(one a 77)..you are perfectly correct about practice..this game requires ALOT of practice...but, the practice is one of the most enjoyable aspects for me!
You got that right! I put in years of hours to get to where I was somewhat successful in flighted tournaments, much less the tour. The learning is never ending and the practice expands all through the segments of the game. I finally gave up the idea of the tour and just enjoy the game for the game itself.
Dedication and practice is important but it's no coincidence that many pros sons also become pros. They have insider information while us mortals have to deal with money hungry dirt bags who's only concern is to string you along and book you some more lessons. I wouldn't call it a secret but teachers just love to beat around the bush and make the simple act of hitting a golf ball seem damn near impossible. And finally when you've mastered every stupid ass drill they could come up with your left so confused that all you can do is stand over the ball frozen with swing thoughts because all they've really done is make you think about every minute detail of the golf swing instead of just telling you the simple facts of how it should feel.
+A A I like the term "observation" or even "tip" better than "secret". I did enjoy and learn what u are demonstrating from these observations; how to apply them to an old golfer is another story.
+1verybadass Almost 100% of all the great swings in history were two-plane. Even Hogan's was, when he got the club to parallel or beyond. Almost 100% of the swings clamed to be 1P by 1P advocates are not.
+1verybadass Clearly _you_ don't. The foundation of 1P theory is the idea of a single plane angle that is perpendicular to the spine angle as the shoulder plane is (theoretically), so that rotational power is transferred to that plane directly, unimpeded, and with no need to hold back or adjust that rotational power. To do that, you have to have a left-arm plane (for a RH player) that is directly across the shoulder joints at the top (as viewed DTL), not from the left shoulder joint through anywhere above the right shoulder joint, even if it's just above that plane, covering the right shoulder above the joint. Hogan is, of course, closer than most. But on any swing where he got close to or past parallel with the club at the top (or his arms were at or near perpendicular to the ground as viewed face-on), it is undeniably observable that his left-arm plane is above that of his shoulder plane. Usually that occurred only with driver or 3-wood. With the irons, Hogan stayed well short of parallel especially after the accident and subsequent swing changes, so the left arm didn't have the "climb" to it that it did with the longer swings. I'm not interesting in arguing this with somebody who simply goes around declaring how much somebody else "doesn't understand 1P and 2P," when it's observable by anybody who wants to look at a Hogan sequence photo or a Hogan video here on YT.
stephen f Why would i want to waste my time explaining to a MORON here?? 1-plane vs 2-plane is MORE than just the left arm plane paralleling the shoulder plane at the top of the backswing. Everything (from setup to takeaway, backswing, downswing, follow thru and finish) is DIFFERENT, if not the OPPOSITE!!
You are the only instructor I have ever heard make reference to the lady softball pitchers. I have emailed other top instructors asking if they have ever watched their underhand motion to see if there is any knowledge to be gained that would help the golf swing, but never heard back. For one thing their motion looks like the right elbow leads the hand right up to the time it comes to the right hip, then the hand snaps forward.
You have a great personality.
In today's world we need more original people to have voices.
Thank You Bobby. I'm glad to see at least some instructors understands forces and counterforces and hate lateral movement as much as me. Great video
I’ve heard shift your weight to the lead foot before the down swing so much because they say you’re stuck on your trail foot if not. To me it seems impossible not to have most of you weight on the trail foot if you maintain the spine angle and keep your head back
To the naysayers: Your spine is located in the rear of your torso. If you rotate around the tip of your spine it will often appear you are sliding your hips.
Some people do this and can make it work but that doesn't mean its the correct or easiest way. I think Bobby is spot on.
I've started hitting the ball great since adopting this style.
@BenJogan, the gut at 4:55 is Grant Waite
It is more of a sidearm delivery than underhanded. Langer does that move in which his right hip turns away immediately to his left, when looking face on, more any pro I have seen. A lot of pros, their right hip does not move either way until 3/4 in backswing then right hip backs away from target.
@3:28, where is most of his weight on the top of his swing? Is it still on the inside of his right foot?
Who's the guy at 4:55? He has an incredible swing! Fantastic angles and an hoganesque extension in the follow-through.
Bobby, I love the videos you are the best
I'm 47 I have bad knees and been using the Moe norman swing but my knees are week and I sway offsides I have recently been trying the shawn clement throw the club feel and a little bit of swing speed training do you have any good tips that could help
I'm not sure, but statistically speaking, has GIR changed much on average if you compare Nicklaus era touring pros to today's touring pros?
I can do this move when I'm using my left hand only. However, when I use both hands and being right dominant, I struggle with this move as I'm focused more with anchoring my right elbow to my body. How do I fix this?
+Jancen here's the truth about what happens when a person (right handed) starts their downswing by "tucking in the RIGHT elbow", you'll find when you do that 2 things happen according to the laws of physics: 1. You come OUTSIDE ACROSS(over the top), and 2. Your LEFT elbow COMES OUT at impact(chicken wing). So, how do you fix that? The answer is just the opposite, to start the downswing, instead of tucking in the right elbow, TUCK IN THE LEFT ELBOW, that guarantees 2 things: 1. You come Inside or down the line at the target(just the opposite of coming over the top) and here it is 2.By tucking in your LEFT elbow, when you hit impact BOTH OF YOUR ELBOWS ARE CLOSE TO YOUR BODY. The Left one STAYS IN(no chicken wing) and your right elbow IS ALSO tucked in. Hope this helps, take care :)
Bobby, just got through watching your series with BBG golf. Great stuff. I'm trying like hell to stay onsides but it's killing my lower back on the right side (I play right handed). What am I doing wrong.
Probably dropping trail shoulder down/under too much. It’s a common cause of low back issues.
Bobby’s invert the shoulders drill is a good one.
Turn on that lead axis. I'm convinced, I've done that before. Thanks.
Great video.
thank you for sharing the video !
you are great...capisc.....are you from napoli..italia?
When I stay this far behind the ball, I either chunk or thin it. What am I doing wrong?
Dropping trail shoulder too far under.
Hmm certainly interesting. Will work on this today
Hi, Bobby, right guy have perfect Stack & Tilt Swing, Great!
Says, Johnny Swede Guy from Sven Tumba Land
David Toms 2:50 ish ⭐
Bobby is Trevino’s brotha from another momma…
By the way, the reason their heads go back is because they’re looking at the back of the ball
now I know why I have chicken wings
Have a good meal man
You mentioned about hitting a golf ball straight. Why not show the best ball striker ever....Moe Norman.
This is gold. The idea of shifting your weight in the sense they all teach is total bs. Basically you have to FEEL like you stay on your back foot.
yep, the whole point of shifting your weight is pushing through your left foot to stop your upper body from moving towards the target with the club. mike malaska talks about this. good players make a very dramatic weight shift, but it’s a pressure shift, not a drift.
If there is a secret to golf- let's call it a common trait among elite ball strikers - it's the ability some people have to properly, effectively, and consistently rotate their hips on the downswing without the shoulders following suit. The right shoulder drops only if the hips clear and the shoulders don't.
Yo Bobby, u sound eyetalian... but ur a LOPEZ... LOL
What is problem with you Bobby?
Moe Norman said "keep your left cheek (face) to the right of the ball"
bobby lopez super cuban .
Lol there is not secrets to golf. I actually hate it when people use the word secret because it keeps influencing the newer players that there's a "shortcut" to be good at this game. I find that's what leads players down the bumpy road to 1000 swing changes. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of valuable information out there that can help you but at the end of the day you being "good" at golf comes down to how much you practice these techniques and how dedicated you are to being better. On average professionals have practiced anywhere between 5000-10000 hours before they turned pro. That's equivalent to 200-400 days of just in time practice. Which in smaller terms in spending a minimum of 2-3 hours everyday with 0 breaks for 10 years. So once you add in the fact that you're human and you have other things you have to do as well that number keeps rising. This is reality people! Nothing great ever came from watching a 1 hour dvd..
+Alex excellent response!...I know that certain changes have helped my swing..but, going to far into all the many variables can be a real hinderance! I've been golfing for three and half years now..(I'm 57)..my score is hovering around 84 now..I've hit several eagles and five games under 80..(one a 77)..you are perfectly correct about practice..this game requires ALOT of practice...but, the practice is one of the most enjoyable aspects for me!
You got that right! I put in years of hours to get to where I was somewhat successful in flighted tournaments, much less the tour. The learning is never ending and the practice expands all through the segments of the game. I finally gave up the idea of the tour and just enjoy the game for the game itself.
Dedication and practice is important but it's no coincidence that many pros sons also become pros. They have insider information while us mortals have to deal with money hungry dirt bags who's only concern is to string you along and book you some more lessons. I wouldn't call it a secret but teachers just love to beat around the bush and make the simple act of hitting a golf ball seem damn near impossible. And finally when you've mastered every stupid ass drill they could come up with your left so confused that all you can do is stand over the ball frozen with swing thoughts because all they've really done is make you think about every minute detail of the golf swing instead of just telling you the simple facts of how it should feel.
Backhanded game my ass.
"Secret" is overused.
+A A
I like the term "observation" or even "tip" better than "secret". I did enjoy and learn what u are demonstrating from these observations; how to apply them to an old golfer is another story.
So... Jordan Speith has a chicken wing...
Yes, he holds the face square longer becoming more stable at impact.
a bucket of them each round.
That's an old school 2-plane swing
+1verybadass
Almost 100% of all the great swings in history were two-plane. Even Hogan's was, when he got the club to parallel or beyond. Almost 100% of the swings clamed to be 1P by 1P advocates are not.
stephen f Hogan was a 2-planer?? CLEARLY, you don't understand 1-plane & 2-plane
+1verybadass
Clearly _you_ don't. The foundation of 1P theory is the idea of a single plane angle that is perpendicular to the spine angle as the shoulder plane is (theoretically), so that rotational power is transferred to that plane directly, unimpeded, and with no need to hold back or adjust that rotational power. To do that, you have to have a left-arm plane (for a RH player) that is directly across the shoulder joints at the top (as viewed DTL), not from the left shoulder joint through anywhere above the right shoulder joint, even if it's just above that plane, covering the right shoulder above the joint. Hogan is, of course, closer than most. But on any swing where he got close to or past parallel with the club at the top (or his arms were at or near perpendicular to the ground as viewed face-on), it is undeniably observable that his left-arm plane is above that of his shoulder plane. Usually that occurred only with driver or 3-wood. With the irons, Hogan stayed well short of parallel especially after the accident and subsequent swing changes, so the left arm didn't have the "climb" to it that it did with the longer swings.
I'm not interesting in arguing this with somebody who simply goes around declaring how much somebody else "doesn't understand 1P and 2P," when it's observable by anybody who wants to look at a Hogan sequence photo or a Hogan video here on YT.
stephen f Why would i want to waste my time explaining to a MORON here?? 1-plane vs 2-plane is MORE than just the left arm plane paralleling the shoulder plane at the top of the backswing. Everything (from setup to takeaway, backswing, downswing, follow thru and finish) is DIFFERENT, if not the OPPOSITE!!
WHATABUNCHOFBULL!!!!!!!!!!!
More paralysis of analysis...
"paralysis BY analysis". If you can see waste in this video, you are looking at it with jaundiced eyes and not enough critical thought.
this is ridonkulous