Yes, yes, and yes. I first switched to flat in 1998, never looked back. What did it for me was realizing that all you need to do is get low and wax the top of any gritty ledges you want to grind. The speed and maneuverability is worth the extra effort.
Nice video m8 good to get the word out. Flat is so much nicer on aging knees and so much more fun carving through the park. One thing to keep an eye on though is your softer outer wheels will wear down faster than the inner harder wheels, leaving you with a banana rockered setup which will make you verry maneuverable but highly unstable. I had this same idea when I got my kizer hi-lo aluminium frames. I went for Famus 68mm 88a on the outside and because I heard the famus wheels were verry grippy I got some roces joe atkinson 60mm 94a wheels on the inside. It's probably the best feeling setup I ever rode but the outside wheels wore down to the point I was rolling on mostly the inner wheels after 4 or 5 sessions. I've since changed out the outer wheels for some usd team wheels which are a bit harder and hopefully won't wear down as fast as the famus wheels, next step will probably be changing the inner wheels for some 60 90's to get them to wear more evenly.
Yes yes yes all good tips 🙌 I actually started riding my Oysi frames with 95A wheels in the middle initially cuz of fear of wheel bite, but as you say you do forget about your middle wheels after a while. Definitely helped me mentally in the beginning not worry as much about potential wheel bite, but it started to feel super hard rolling after a while so I've gone to 92A in the middle now. I've got the Symetrics superfast 65mm wheels on the outside and I can't recommend them enough, they've been great. They do feel quite hard for 90A to me, but they're holding up really well! Cheers for another quality video ✌️
Great tips! I'm switching back and forth between anti-rocker and flat because it feels safer to have those anti-rocker wheels, haha. I'll have to commit more and skate flat until I really get it down! Thanks for the video!
Hey Chris, we used to skate back in the day. I've since got back into it and always used to ride freestyle or anti-rocker. Now I'm on flat setup and whilst I get the odd wheelbite it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd be, feels so much more manoeuvrable too. Enjoying the videos mate!
Hey Will, stoked to hear from you and to hear your back into skating again. I remember you absolutely shredding back in the day. Hope we get to skate together at some point soon.
Thanks for the Tips, I give flat another chance. Ordered the wish medium yesterday. Hope it works cause I love farvs and royales and struggled all my life with some serious wheelbiting and hard falls. Cheers from germany
@@chrischadwick1 live from the park I'am actually a bit disappointed, I totally slip away on sharp turns. Grinds are smoove but I have to go down further as with the aeons. Think I use greater wheels maybe 68 on the outside to avoid the sliding while turning. Greetings, I'll do my best and try hard atm.
Also wheel profile. Always see people moaning about flat but use flat/square profile wheels. All about rounded and bullet profiles, it keeps the side of the wheel (the part that sticks) away from the ledge/rail etc. because the urethane isn't there. Those fat flat profile wheels are horrible for flat skating regardless of hardness and size. The UC 59mm bullet's, 5050 58mm's, any 60mm rounded profile etc etc will work so much better
@@chrischadwick1 great video in general though, you covered all the points really clearly. Would've loved to have seen a video like this a few years ago when I first made the transition to flat
@@chrisonskates How have things turned out with mixing the bullets and rounded? I am thinking about making the switch from anti-rocker by doing the same things. What wheel size and hardness did you end up choosing? Cheers!
Great tips. Another I would add is to use smaller wheels when starting out. 55mm flat is obviously a lot more forgiving when it comes to wheel bite than 58mm =)
@@sengirsagrav7255 it's definitely a matter of opinion, but flat gives you more speed and control which feels way better to me when I'm simply skating around.
@@chrischadwick1 I was skating Them frames flat but haven’t skated for a month or so, just set up fluid V’s 58 flat. Will see what they’re like this week.
Nice video, my issue with flat is that my safe trick is a soul and in order to soul flat I often need to lose tehcnique rather than gain it. For example get sloppying on the front foot so its more at an angle than I otherwise would be on lock to get over the wheel bite, but that is on a them frame. The feeling of skate is amazing flat but the ease of anti for an old man is a fine pro/con balance lol
I own the medium Oysi frames and fluid v frames. The Oysi frames need rounded profile wheels in the middle. Do not get a bullet or rocket profile with that frame. The fluid V frame takes all profiles so if using a frame like that go with the bullet or rocket.
My favorite flat frame is the Mega. With it I can royale on a ledge with 64 mm wheels but it is hard. If I want to go more technical I use 62 mm with rounded profile 92a on the middle. I if want to try crazy switch ups Kelso style I go 60 mm 95a on the middle because for switch ups on a ledge you really have to put your weight on the curb. Also I use a LOT of wax.
Is it weird to use inner wheels like antis? I typically view it like power sliding when I think of it. Urethane straight into ledge will wheel bite, but at an angle and proper wheel profile (as well as a waxed ledge that slides decent) will let the wheels basically power slide across the ledge.
A real mix to be honest. My favourite conventional flat setup is straight 60mm. If its a hilo frame I've found 64/60 is the sweet spot. If I'm Street skating or riding big ramps I love the oysi original frames on 72/60. If I had to pick just one it would be the sola Joe frames 64/60. For wheels Revolver or Undercover. Hope that helps
For riding flat I love the oysi medium frames as they have great wheelbite protection. I havnt ridden anti rocker for some time but the Ground Control FLT3 used to be my go to antirocker frame. I have a vid on antirocker vs flat if you need an overview of the pros and cons of flat vs antirocker 👍
Hello, not sure why you would want to remove the soulplate to ride Flat? But no, shima reissue / Cults wouldn't work without souls. The only reason I can see to remove the soul plate from an aggressive skate is to ride bigger wheels like 4x80 but that only works with flat boots and you need a fill up spacer to prevent too much torsion damaging the bottom of the boot. Hope that answers your question?
@@chrischadwick1 hi. Thanks for your reply. Just curious if there were other options really. What if I used the Ground control HD frame on the shima. Would I need a spacer as it’s a raised heal or can I just use the frame on it ?
@@hvdb4492 any UFS frame will fit on your Cults and will skate just fine. They're not the perfect boot for big wheels as Razors are made to flex on grinds but they'll still be great fun
Yes, yes, and yes. I first switched to flat in 1998, never looked back. What did it for me was realizing that all you need to do is get low and wax the top of any gritty ledges you want to grind. The speed and maneuverability is worth the extra effort.
Absolutely it's definitely worth the switch once you get the hang of it. And anything works with enough wax
Nice video m8 good to get the word out. Flat is so much nicer on aging knees and so much more fun carving through the park.
One thing to keep an eye on though is your softer outer wheels will wear down faster than the inner harder wheels, leaving you with a banana rockered setup which will make you verry maneuverable but highly unstable.
I had this same idea when I got my kizer hi-lo aluminium frames. I went for Famus 68mm 88a on the outside and because I heard the famus wheels were verry grippy I got some roces joe atkinson 60mm 94a wheels on the inside. It's probably the best feeling setup I ever rode but the outside wheels wore down to the point I was rolling on mostly the inner wheels after 4 or 5 sessions. I've since changed out the outer wheels for some usd team wheels which are a bit harder and hopefully won't wear down as fast as the famus wheels, next step will probably be changing the inner wheels for some 60 90's to get them to wear more evenly.
That's a really good point man. I hadn't thought of that. I'll definitely keep an eye on it. Thanks for sharing 👍
Yes yes yes all good tips 🙌
I actually started riding my Oysi frames with 95A wheels in the middle initially cuz of fear of wheel bite, but as you say you do forget about your middle wheels after a while. Definitely helped me mentally in the beginning not worry as much about potential wheel bite, but it started to feel super hard rolling after a while so I've gone to 92A in the middle now.
I've got the Symetrics superfast 65mm wheels on the outside and I can't recommend them enough, they've been great. They do feel quite hard for 90A to me, but they're holding up really well!
Cheers for another quality video ✌️
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it! Those oysi frames are awesome. Good shout on the symmetrics wheels too, I'll have to pick some up!
Thanks for the concise advice. Greatly appreciated.
Your welcome. Thanks for watching 😁
Great tips! I'm switching back and forth between anti-rocker and flat because it feels safer to have those anti-rocker wheels, haha. I'll have to commit more and skate flat until I really get it down!
Thanks for the video!
Thanks man. Yeah you gotta stick at it, equally absolutely nothing wrong with anti rocker! I skated it for 15 plus years!
Thanks for the advise. Really wante do ride flat for a lot of reasons apart from wheelbite. The ride is just unremarkably good coming from antirocker.
Hey Chris, we used to skate back in the day. I've since got back into it and always used to ride freestyle or anti-rocker. Now I'm on flat setup and whilst I get the odd wheelbite it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd be, feels so much more manoeuvrable too. Enjoying the videos mate!
Hey Will, stoked to hear from you and to hear your back into skating again. I remember you absolutely shredding back in the day. Hope we get to skate together at some point soon.
Thanks for the Tips, I give flat another chance. Ordered the wish medium yesterday. Hope it works cause I love farvs and royales and struggled all my life with some serious wheelbiting and hard falls. Cheers from germany
Hope it was useful man. The oysi medium is a great frame, should work out great 👍
@@chrischadwick1 live from the park I'am actually a bit disappointed, I totally slip away on sharp turns. Grinds are smoove but I have to go down further as with the aeons. Think I use greater wheels maybe 68 on the outside to avoid the sliding while turning. Greetings, I'll do my best and try hard atm.
Also wheel profile. Always see people moaning about flat but use flat/square profile wheels. All about rounded and bullet profiles, it keeps the side of the wheel (the part that sticks) away from the ledge/rail etc. because the urethane isn't there. Those fat flat profile wheels are horrible for flat skating regardless of hardness and size. The UC 59mm bullet's, 5050 58mm's, any 60mm rounded profile etc etc will work so much better
That's a really good shout man. Thanks for adding that in!
@@chrischadwick1 great video in general though, you covered all the points really clearly. Would've loved to have seen a video like this a few years ago when I first made the transition to flat
@@ThatShaunBoy thanks man. I try to think about what past me would have found helpful when I come up with concepts 👍
I’m about to order a pair of bullets and a pair of rounded. I’m skating squared right now and don’t really enjoy them.
@@chrisonskates How have things turned out with mixing the bullets and rounded? I am thinking about making the switch from anti-rocker by doing the same things. What wheel size and hardness did you end up choosing? Cheers!
Bro! awesome tips!! 5 stars
Yo! Thanks man!
Massive props on the shop, when I make it back to NZ I'll definitely come check it out👍
@@chrischadwick1 cheers brother, skate session on! 🙌🏽
Great tips. Another I would add is to use smaller wheels when starting out. 55mm flat is obviously a lot more forgiving when it comes to wheel bite than 58mm =)
Yeah that's a great point man. Thanks for adding that 😁
Great tips man
Grate content. Skating needs more love
Thanks bro
Ive been skating for 15 years and always skated anti rocker when I was younger but now skate flat set up as it gives me more control
Yeah I skated anti for about 15 years too. Certainly nothing wrong with AR but flat makes the act of skating so much more enjoyable!
@@chrischadwick1 why is it more enjoyable?
@@sengirsagrav7255 it's definitely a matter of opinion, but flat gives you more speed and control which feels way better to me when I'm simply skating around.
Nice one Chris!
Thanks man! What are you riding these days?
@@chrischadwick1 I was skating Them frames flat but haven’t skated for a month or so, just set up fluid V’s 58 flat. Will see what they’re like this week.
@@designatedrolla sick been wanting to try those fluid 5's. How are they?
@@chrischadwick1 I haven't tried them yet haha. Got sidetracks by big wheels.
Nice video, my issue with flat is that my safe trick is a soul and in order to soul flat I often need to lose tehcnique rather than gain it. For example get sloppying on the front foot so its more at an angle than I otherwise would be on lock to get over the wheel bite, but that is on a them frame. The feeling of skate is amazing flat but the ease of anti for an old man is a fine pro/con balance lol
I own the medium Oysi frames and fluid v frames. The Oysi frames need rounded profile wheels in the middle. Do not get a bullet or rocket profile with that frame. The fluid V frame takes all profiles so if using a frame like that go with the bullet or rocket.
Cheers man. Great tips, thanks for sharing 👍
My favorite flat frame is the Mega. With it I can royale on a ledge with 64 mm wheels but it is hard. If I want to go more technical I use 62 mm with rounded profile 92a on the middle. I if want to try crazy switch ups Kelso style I go 60 mm 95a on the middle because for switch ups on a ledge you really have to put your weight on the curb. Also I use a LOT of wax.
Sounds like you got it sussed man. Definitely agree on the wax. Almost anything will slide with enough wax!
Is it weird to use inner wheels like antis?
I typically view it like power sliding when I think of it.
Urethane straight into ledge will wheel bite, but at an angle and proper wheel profile (as well as a waxed ledge that slides decent) will let the wheels basically power slide across the ledge.
100% agreed man. Anything slides with enough wax!
My first skate I ever bought are the 2021 usd aeons, and I ended up just removing one of the inner wheels to be able to grind lol
hey mate brilliant video - what size wheels do you ride?
A real mix to be honest. My favourite conventional flat setup is straight 60mm. If its a hilo frame I've found 64/60 is the sweet spot. If I'm Street skating or riding big ramps I love the oysi original frames on 72/60. If I had to pick just one it would be the sola Joe frames 64/60. For wheels Revolver or Undercover. Hope that helps
@@chrischadwick1 thanks man i appreciate it!!
what are the best frames for beginners?
For riding flat I love the oysi medium frames as they have great wheelbite protection. I havnt ridden anti rocker for some time but the Ground Control FLT3 used to be my go to antirocker frame. I have a vid on antirocker vs flat if you need an overview of the pros and cons of flat vs antirocker 👍
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Can you help a beginner. I have shima reissue it has a heal raise built in. Can I take off the soul plate just to ride flat. Not tricks
Hello, not sure why you would want to remove the soulplate to ride Flat? But no, shima reissue / Cults wouldn't work without souls. The only reason I can see to remove the soul plate from an aggressive skate is to ride bigger wheels like 4x80 but that only works with flat boots and you need a fill up spacer to prevent too much torsion damaging the bottom of the boot. Hope that answers your question?
@@chrischadwick1 hi. Thanks for your reply. Just curious if there were other options really. What if I used the Ground control HD frame on the shima. Would I need a spacer as it’s a raised heal or can I just use the frame on it ?
@@hvdb4492 if you keep the soulplate on you can just bolt it straight on with no mods 👍
@@chrischadwick1 cool ok. So the slight heal height is ok with tri frames too?
@@hvdb4492 any UFS frame will fit on your Cults and will skate just fine. They're not the perfect boot for big wheels as Razors are made to flex on grinds but they'll still be great fun
What skates are those?
Adapt Brutale Customs. You can design your own on there website