btw those 3T wheels are manufactured by Nextie (experienced chinese OEM manufacturer), and you can get those exact wheels for half the price with DT240s for half the price if you buy direct from them
@anothervisionofthings its a known fact 3T don't make their own wheels. Those rims are Nextie AGX45 look it up. Weight might differ depending on which spokes/hubs are used
I just ordered my poor man’s version I got a 3T rival ultra for 1800 shipping and taxes included. Was on sale for 3800. I can’t believe I found a carbon under 2k. I’m excited to ride it Wednesday
Hi guys (and gals, hehe)! I've been thinking about getting either an 3T Extrema or ENVE MOG. As you own both (I think so at least?) it would be incredible if you could do a comparison between these two bikes! I would love to see what you think of them compared to one another and also how they compare in terms of performance and comfort
Love the continuous fiber carbon, tech that actually matters. That's carbons number one strength so when frame makers bond sections of tubes it defeats the purpose.
I have the Racemax version of this bike. The frame was delivered after "only" 8 months, I needed to threaten to cancel the order for them to ship me a frame of another customer who has been waiting even longer, but was apparently screaming less than I did at that point in time. Two major disappointments with the frame: 1/ The holes for the bottle cages on the seat tube are so low that the water bottles touch the down tube and made a dent in the carbon of the down tube (I tried 3 different bottle cages). 2/ For unknown reasons, the 3T engineers in their infinite wisdom equipped the Strada Italia and the Extrema Italia with a Universal Derailleur Hanger (UDH), but not the Racemax Italia. In conclusion: A sick looking bike for sure, but the 3T customer experience is just plain awful and the engineering of the frame is not future proof for current developments on the groupset market. I'm in the process of selling the frame and wait for the new Open UPPER. Ciao 3T after 5+ years.
I suspect that UDH wasn’t finalized when they originally developed the molds. Thus, you have the first Italia frames without UDH, and more recent ones with UDH.
sweet bike! Have you guys used the special sram tool for changing rings on the sram red XPLR crankset (is it needed)? I don't think anyone has done a video on it yet
The seat tube looks tall for a 51 that's most of a frames compliance feature. Actually tire clearance is the biggest compliance feature of a bike, now a days gravel bikes need mtn bike tire clearance.
To be fair, the over-oversized tubing is designed for stiffness on purpose. This means the tradeoff is less possible tire clearance, which the designers tried to compensate with the double bent chainstays, which required even more oversizing of tubing, which made the frame stiffer, and so on. You’re looking at design trying to take advantage of carbon fiber tech, but also exposing the design disadvantages of carbon fiber tech.
Love the look of that bike, but the tyre clearance is giving me anxiety...😅 Just a little bit of peanut butter mud and gravel on those tyres and that beautiful carbon will get an extra sanding. Changing the tyres when it's a little muddy sounds like a pain in the neck. Can you do an update video after a couple rides about the bike? Loved the vibe of the video! Nice New Bike Day giddy vibe!
We'll have a video with more of an in depth review as Chase gets more miles on the bike. In the meantime she'll be posting about it on her Instagram @chase_thebicyclestation
I test rode a 3T racemax this summer and I felt a zero gravity feeling when I rode over a dip in the road, I've never exsperienced that before and I can't stop thinking about it. I been bikeless since August and my life feels meaningless at the moment. I def want a 3t for my next bike
We own everything in inventory lol. I know it looks crazy but almost our whole business flows through this RUclips channel. We’re getting some demo bikes and discounts in exchange for the marketing we provide for the companies. Also we sell the bikes when we’re done with them. Kinda how car RUclipsr start with a car and it turns into a business where they have tons of different cars.
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around why 3T decided to give these bikes such an unbelievably tall stack height, and I think I’ve determined that they must’ve designed this bike around riding in the drops a lot. I guess that makes sense for the single track riding they say this was designed for. Still kind of a bummer that it’s close to impossible to get a good race position on these bikes without going down a size or two and running a giant long dong stem
I’m also wondering why so many ‘gravel’ bikes have such tall stack heights. I suspect there’s a mtb/cyclocross design logic/bias that has crept in, even though these are basically just dirt road bikes. But for the majority of customers, an upright, long ride comfort position does make sense, but I wouldn’t consider it a race position.
I concur. I'm in what I'd consider the target market for this bike(as a prior 3T Strada owner, aero nerd, and not opposed to dropping too much money on a frame), yet there is zero way I could get this bike to work for me in any size... Their stack is about 30mm "too high" and the reach lengths simply too short. Their listed stack doesn't even factor in the 12mm of required headset dust cover/spacers. On top of that, the obligatory -6d stem on a 69d HTA means you're gaining even more stack.
Yall are speaking my language. I try not to complain too much on camera to not discourage people who like tall and short geo. But it’s insane haha. I’m confident allied will get the geometry right with the new able
@@bicyclestation Previous Allied owner, so again, I’d love to love them, but if they stick to their current internal routing(Echo and Alfa) that’s a complete non-starter for me. It truly is the worst routing setup I’ve seen. Again you’re locked into their proprietary stem which you need multiple sizes of spanner wrenches to change. It’s a big miss from a company that makes their own forks!
Beautiful bike but I can immediately see problems with tire clearance. Those tires are going to collect muck and stones and scratch that nice frame. I see major issues with the frame getting scratched. Keep us updated with frame repair videos 😉
OK, I know you guys know what you’re doing, but I can’t help but mention when your ride in greasy muddy gravel roads and you’re cranking on the cranks going uphill, etc. you’re going to get flex in the back wheel that’s going to rub and grind on the frame You might wanna protect that frame with some thick clear plastic protection film. That’s all I’m saying. If they say it can only handle 2.25 they must know why. Same thing happened to me on my road bike. I tried to go too big.
Can you make a video on bike fit? I know you have a more unique idea on fitting especially on xc bikes. But I think you would explain it generally better than others.
I can! I’m not a bike fitter, but I can try to explain my fit for every one. I have short legs and long arms. I need a smaller frame but have to stretch my cockpit out to not put pressure on my lower back. All these tall cockpits are cool for some people but I think the majority of people are on to short and tall of a stem length
This bike comes from 3T, the company with the WORST customer support known to man. I’ve owned 2 and woudlnt recommend it, even if this bike is awesome:/
@ it took me 4 months along with dozens of professional bike shop hours to get my issues addressed. This was not the first or last time my LBS had issues with them
We talked about this in the video - the tires we wanted were backordered so we tossed these on to see if they would fit. They did, but they would be changed for muddy conditions. Good thing tires are easy to change out!
We’ve changed out a few components on this since the video was filmed and got it down to like 19lbs changing out the wheels, tires, and removing the dropper. Definitely still an adventure bike
It’s on the way! Follow Chase on Instagram (@chase_thebicyclestation) to see more of the bike - she’ll be posting some ride footage coming up. Later on we’ll have a full review of the bike on the channel once she gets more miles on it
It looks like a mtb because the tubing is ridiculously oversized, but the geometry is definitely more road oriented. The knobs on the tires also contribute to the illusion.
It’s not that serious man. We’re filming these with no script. It’s completely off the cuff and we’re getting better at it. I just rewatched it and there’s tons of moments where chase interrupted me also. Maybe you should ask her if she felt mansplained to instead of assuming that’s how she felt.
@ You are right. I shouldn’t assume that’s how she felt, but as a viewer of the video it sure feels that way… Maybe you should ask her? Anyways, good luck.
Ya we mentioned that in the video. Originally we were going to put 2.25 Aspen ST’s on but the shipment got delayed. We had these around and wanted to see if they would fit.
Hmm amazing bike but… It’s half a build video designed as an advertisement for your store, but no assembly grease used anywhere!? and if you don’t even know your actually saddle height measurements and randomly ride around to find out, it doesn’t inspire confidence in your potential customers ordering the correct bike to fit!
This whole channel is an advertisement for my shop. We’re super up front about that. Assembly grease is used all over the bike. You can see it in multiple clips in this video. Chase hasn’t had a bike fit since her pregnancy and is just starting to ride consistently again. I’m sure she will get a bike fit soon but idk why that would be an issue for customers.
It’s just outdated. Like why does it have 3 buttons on the lever to shift the front. You barely press it. It lowers the tire clearance of the bike and makes it heavier. What’s your reason for running a 2x
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btw those 3T wheels are manufactured by Nextie (experienced chinese OEM manufacturer), and you can get those exact wheels for half the price with DT240s for half the price if you buy direct from them
@@ynslife where did you get the info ? Plus the weight is not similar with the ones from 3T
@anothervisionofthings its a known fact 3T don't make their own wheels. Those rims are Nextie AGX45 look it up. Weight might differ depending on which spokes/hubs are used
This is a great info! I wonder if this would be better buy than Elite wheels...
this is my absolute dream bike, congrats!
Looks like the "Mad Max" Edition, love it!
Wow! This build is sick. Love the frame and your wheel / tire combo. Enjoy the sweet ride. ✨
I just ordered my poor man’s version I got a 3T rival ultra for 1800 shipping and taxes included. Was on sale for 3800. I can’t believe I found a carbon under 2k. I’m excited to ride it Wednesday
You guys are always on the cutting edge. It's why I'm here
dang it dude, that bike is sick!
looks incredible
What a sick looking bike!
Hi guys (and gals, hehe)! I've been thinking about getting either an 3T Extrema or ENVE MOG. As you own both (I think so at least?) it would be incredible if you could do a comparison between these two bikes! I would love to see what you think of them compared to one another and also how they compare in terms of performance and comfort
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Bike is dope. Love the channel
Love the continuous fiber carbon, tech that actually matters. That's carbons number one strength so when frame makers bond sections of tubes it defeats the purpose.
I have the Racemax version of this bike. The frame was delivered after "only" 8 months, I needed to threaten to cancel the order for them to ship me a frame of another customer who has been waiting even longer, but was apparently screaming less than I did at that point in time. Two major disappointments with the frame: 1/ The holes for the bottle cages on the seat tube are so low that the water bottles touch the down tube and made a dent in the carbon of the down tube (I tried 3 different bottle cages). 2/ For unknown reasons, the 3T engineers in their infinite wisdom equipped the Strada Italia and the Extrema Italia with a Universal Derailleur Hanger (UDH), but not the Racemax Italia. In conclusion: A sick looking bike for sure, but the 3T customer experience is just plain awful and the engineering of the frame is not future proof for current developments on the groupset market. I'm in the process of selling the frame and wait for the new Open UPPER. Ciao 3T after 5+ years.
I suspect that UDH wasn’t finalized when they originally developed the molds. Thus, you have the first Italia frames without UDH, and more recent ones with UDH.
This is one of the nicest bikes I've ever seen. If I had 12k to burn I would be picking one of these up.
$12k?? I think for that money I would get a sworks crux.
A beauty. I like bikes.
Can we get a review on the 29x2 Racekings for those of us that can’t fit the 2.25’s?
Much slower casing and heavier. Would not recommend the 2.0. Try the 2.1 Thunderburt if you can't clear the 2.2 Race King.
Do you know if you can fit a 46 tooth chainring up front on this frame? Thanks
Did we get a frame weight. Loving all the videos from you all.
sweet bike! Have you guys used the special sram tool for changing rings on the sram red XPLR crankset (is it needed)? I don't think anyone has done a video on it yet
I had that bike and as dope as it looks it was incredibly stiff and the rear tire clearance was actually an issue with pebbles and mud
The seat tube looks tall for a 51 that's most of a frames compliance feature. Actually tire clearance is the biggest compliance feature of a bike, now a days gravel bikes need mtn bike tire clearance.
To be fair, the over-oversized tubing is designed for stiffness on purpose. This means the tradeoff is less possible tire clearance, which the designers tried to compensate with the double bent chainstays, which required even more oversizing of tubing, which made the frame stiffer, and so on. You’re looking at design trying to take advantage of carbon fiber tech, but also exposing the design disadvantages of carbon fiber tech.
Love the look of that bike, but the tyre clearance is giving me anxiety...😅 Just a little bit of peanut butter mud and gravel on those tyres and that beautiful carbon will get an extra sanding. Changing the tyres when it's a little muddy sounds like a pain in the neck. Can you do an update video after a couple rides about the bike? Loved the vibe of the video! Nice New Bike Day giddy vibe!
We'll have a video with more of an in depth review as Chase gets more miles on the bike. In the meantime she'll be posting about it on her Instagram @chase_thebicyclestation
I test rode a 3T racemax this summer and I felt a zero gravity feeling when I rode over a dip in the road, I've never exsperienced that before and I can't stop thinking about it. I been bikeless since August and my life feels meaningless at the moment. I def want a 3t for my next bike
It definitely has a distinct ride feeling! Let us know if you want to get a Racemax ordered!
Now I might go put some tan walled tires on my raw carbon Time bike
How many bikes do you all own and the total cost? Asking for a friend
We own everything in inventory lol. I know it looks crazy but almost our whole business flows through this RUclips channel. We’re getting some demo bikes and discounts in exchange for the marketing we provide for the companies. Also we sell the bikes when we’re done with them. Kinda how car RUclipsr start with a car and it turns into a business where they have tons of different cars.
Hey! Do you still have some of those 170 3T cranksets? I'd love to get one
Shoot us an email. We have it available if you want it
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around why 3T decided to give these bikes such an unbelievably tall stack height, and I think I’ve determined that they must’ve designed this bike around riding in the drops a lot. I guess that makes sense for the single track riding they say this was designed for. Still kind of a bummer that it’s close to impossible to get a good race position on these bikes without going down a size or two and running a giant long dong stem
I 100% agree. That’s why I don’t have one. For chase that’s less of a concern but it’s still a big bike for her
I’m also wondering why so many ‘gravel’ bikes have such tall stack heights. I suspect there’s a mtb/cyclocross design logic/bias that has crept in, even though these are basically just dirt road bikes. But for the majority of customers, an upright, long ride comfort position does make sense, but I wouldn’t consider it a race position.
I concur. I'm in what I'd consider the target market for this bike(as a prior 3T Strada owner, aero nerd, and not opposed to dropping too much money on a frame), yet there is zero way I could get this bike to work for me in any size... Their stack is about 30mm "too high" and the reach lengths simply too short. Their listed stack doesn't even factor in the 12mm of required headset dust cover/spacers. On top of that, the obligatory -6d stem on a 69d HTA means you're gaining even more stack.
Yall are speaking my language. I try not to complain too much on camera to not discourage people who like tall and short geo. But it’s insane haha. I’m confident allied will get the geometry right with the new able
@@bicyclestation Previous Allied owner, so again, I’d love to love them, but if they stick to their current internal routing(Echo and Alfa) that’s a complete non-starter for me. It truly is the worst routing setup I’ve seen. Again you’re locked into their proprietary stem which you need multiple sizes of spanner wrenches to change. It’s a big miss from a company that makes their own forks!
Beautiful bike but I can immediately see problems with tire clearance. Those tires are going to collect muck and stones and scratch that nice frame. I see major issues with the frame getting scratched. Keep us updated with frame repair videos 😉
Cuttthroat has similar clearance but that is suspension corrected.
I wish qbp didn’t own salsa lol
@@bicyclestation any reason?
Semi internal is the way to go I don't wanna route cables thru headsets
Looks like a Retro-Futuristic bike from the 90's if that makes any sense. LOVE IT.
OK, I know you guys know what you’re doing, but I can’t help but mention when your ride in greasy muddy gravel roads and you’re cranking on the cranks going uphill, etc. you’re going to get flex in the back wheel that’s going to rub and grind on the frame You might wanna protect that frame with some thick clear plastic protection film. That’s all I’m saying. If they say it can only handle 2.25 they must know why. Same thing happened to me on my road bike. I tried to go too big.
650 wheels?
This one has 700c
@@bicyclestationwow I contacted 3T and they said I had to go 650 to get such a big tire. Didn’t think u could go this route what is the rim again?
Lauf Seigla clears mtb tires but i get it direct to consumer not in your wheelhouse
It’s definitely in my wheelhouse from a content perspective. I just would need for them to send me one sense I can’t buy one for wholesale
Mine came in 8 weeks
The 51s were massively delayed. The 56 we got took 6 months. I think the lead time is fixed now
Can you make a video on bike fit? I know you have a more unique idea on fitting especially on xc bikes. But I think you would explain it generally better than others.
I can! I’m not a bike fitter, but I can try to explain my fit for every one. I have short legs and long arms. I need a smaller frame but have to stretch my cockpit out to not put pressure on my lower back. All these tall cockpits are cool for some people but I think the majority of people are on to short and tall of a stem length
@ Sick! I’m currently trying to find my fit on a xc bike. I’m close to the same boat sizing wise. Coming from enduro bikes everything feels crazy.
This bike comes from 3T, the company with the WORST customer support known to man. I’ve owned 2 and woudlnt recommend it, even if this bike is awesome:/
I had a problem with my new bike and they instantly changed the part under warranty
LOL take our very nice bike and shud uppa, it's the Italian way
@ it took me 4 months along with dozens of professional bike shop hours to get my issues addressed. This was not the first or last time my LBS had issues with them
@@chrissheldon2681 I’m from Europe, maybe service is different from country to another
@ im sure that’s the case, unlikely the EU and USA support teams are the same
try to find different dropper :) for sure there are some XC style 100m or 75mm droppers that can work with the small intrusion allowed here!
ive been lookin alot at this bike, unfurtantly out of my budget
The lack of clearance with those tires is gonna kill that frame
We talked about this in the video - the tires we wanted were backordered so we tossed these on to see if they would fit. They did, but they would be changed for muddy conditions. Good thing tires are easy to change out!
Damn, that's a heavy ass gravel bike for so much money.
Big MTB tires. It’s an adventure bike as opposed to a light weight race bike like the Crux or Checkmate.
We’ve changed out a few components on this since the video was filmed and got it down to like 19lbs changing out the wheels, tires, and removing the dropper. Definitely still an adventure bike
Bike looks to big, the 51 is likely a seat tube measurement that would be my size I'm 5'8"
It’s big. We are still working on the fit for Chase. The 56 was too big for me.
Let’s see some ride footage…Come on!
It’s on the way! Follow Chase on Instagram (@chase_thebicyclestation) to see more of the bike - she’ll be posting some ride footage coming up. Later on we’ll have a full review of the bike on the channel once she gets more miles on it
looks an awful lot like a hardtail mtb with a rigid carbon fork to me. But, as soon as you guys put drop bars on it, it's a "gravel bike"
It’s not suspension corrected. The geometry is very much gravel bike. That’s the main difference. Also it has aero integration which a mtb doesn’t
It looks like a mtb because the tubing is ridiculously oversized, but the geometry is definitely more road oriented. The knobs on the tires also contribute to the illusion.
Dude just can't let her talk... it's driving me insane. It is her bike. Just let her talk about it and stop mansplaining.
It’s not that serious man. We’re filming these with no script. It’s completely off the cuff and we’re getting better at it. I just rewatched it and there’s tons of moments where chase interrupted me also. Maybe you should ask her if she felt mansplained to instead of assuming that’s how she felt.
@ You are right. I shouldn’t assume that’s how she felt, but as a viewer of the video it sure feels that way… Maybe you should ask her? Anyways, good luck.
as much as those tires look cool on that frame…… and they “fit”
…if there was any mud to be seen, that frame is gonna get traaaaaaaaashed.
Ya we mentioned that in the video. Originally we were going to put 2.25 Aspen ST’s on but the shipment got delayed. We had these around and wanted to see if they would fit.
Hmm amazing bike but… It’s half a build video designed as an advertisement for your store, but no assembly grease used anywhere!? and if you don’t even know your actually saddle height measurements and randomly ride around to find out, it doesn’t inspire confidence in your potential customers ordering the correct bike to fit!
This whole channel is an advertisement for my shop. We’re super up front about that.
Assembly grease is used all over the bike. You can see it in multiple clips in this video.
Chase hasn’t had a bike fit since her pregnancy and is just starting to ride consistently again. I’m sure she will get a bike fit soon but idk why that would be an issue for customers.
1x absolute crap
I’ve been running di2 2x and I think it’s kinda crap
@@bicyclestationgoes to show you know nothing about bikes
It’s just outdated. Like why does it have 3 buttons on the lever to shift the front. You barely press it. It lowers the tire clearance of the bike and makes it heavier. What’s your reason for running a 2x