Bringing Andrea on was a really good choice. I love her sober second thought, and how the chemistry between these guys works in a way that keeps things grounded.
Ever since Honda launched this 10th gen, people claimed it's "over designed" or "trying too hard" and I think this is how this car should look. The civic has always been this quirky, unique little compact that has the ability to appeal to the masses, and Honda lost their touch with it in its 9th generation. This car is unapologetically Japanese with it's design and the majority of people love it. I'm pretty sure it's one of the reasons it's the best selling compact in the U.S and the best selling passenger car in Canada.
Are you still stuck in the 90s, early 2000s? Planned obsolescence is getting worse and worse, you expect this will last for years to come? Turbo and CVT sounds like a money pit post warranty..
@@nickr3441 Scotty is a moron begging for attention. I’ve owned a Pilot and a couple Accords and they are awful. Transmissions don’t last, bulbs keep blowing out and their QC is absolutely crap. I’d be lucky to survive a year without having the Pilot’s passenger side area without leaking.
Nope on the GTI. And I love how it drives! I went from a Honda Si to a GTI. The horror show of problems and the insane cost for repairs soured me on VW forever. Maybe you've got the $ to make the performance of it worth the headaches, I but I sure as hell don't with kids and a mortgage to deal with. Went back to Honda and regretted ever getting the GTI, no matter how much fun it was to drive
@@stableslayers3958 A 6 speed manual 1.5T Civic Sport Hatch is very comparable to the GTI. And with a Hondata flash for 8psi and full exhaust HP will be over 200 for the Civic.
I owned a Sport Touring 6spd manual, the grey hatchback- still one of my favourite cars. I love the look, the power-to-weight ratio, and the overall ride. Just lacking AWD, other than that it's an excellent car.
Did some extensive testing and research when I converted to a hatch. Having driven my fair share of German cars, I'm happy I went with Honda. I've had my hatchback sport since 2017 and it's been running great and not costly at all to maintain
Agree with Andrea!!! I owned a 07 manual Civic it was so unbelievably reliable! I NEVER had to worry about anything with it. I loved that car! Also as Zack said I didn’t know how to drive manual I just sat in the car and figured it out it was forgiving
It is sooo satisfying to see that kind of video with each other bringing arguments. Since I'm in Europe and have a different perspective, it's very cool to see another pov. Great review, very interesting
I LOVE Hondas! I too have to go with Andrea on this one. Honda makes good cars and they engineer them to be reliable. If I had disposable income, reliability would not be an issue, but I don't have disposable income and I have a family. I want my car to work EVERY time I drive it. After finally letting go of an old car that constantly broke down I am so glad I do not have to put up with those "surprise" mechanic bills. For me it is Honda all the way. Honda may not offer a manual in every car but they are one of the few cars that still offer a manual. I definitely am a fan of the Honda Civic Sport platform because it made my 2019 Honda Civic Type R possible. Go team Honda!
My Wife and I have a 2019 Honda Civic sport Hatch with a 6 speed. Love the car! Can haul so much with it and have had zero issues. Maintenance and fuel economy is amazing. The GTI is cool but the price difference is jarring. $28,000 for a sport hatch compared to $40,000 for a GTI in my area. Can’t really compare them for that price difference. I agree the civic sport is low on power but I didn’t buy it for HP.
Found brand new 19 manual of this car, and enjoying it. Bike inside with driver and 2 passengers. Let that sink in. Drive casual and mileage is great. Sporty too when u need it. Pls keep buying manuals. Cheers from Montreal
I got a 2018 Honda Civic LX Hatch. LX because I didn’t want to pay for premium fuel... and you’ll never NEVER notice those 6 hp. The nice thing about the LX is it gives you almost everything you need (heated seats, Apple Car Play/Android Auto, automatic climate control, all power options except seats) which is uncharacteristic of Hondas packaging where they often make you shell out for an EX-L or a Touring for even basic stuff. Standard. CVTs and reliability and longevity are mutually exclusive. You have pieces that are wearing constantly as the vehicle is driving vs a clutch that’s only slipping for a short time. In traffic it isn’t that bad because you can crawl it at very slow speeds and you have enough torque with the turbo to accelerate in almost any gear. Mixed city and highway driving we get 6.5l/100km. We’ve been very satisfied with ours.. same colour and rims as your first tester. One recall for fuel dilution which also fixed the heating issue and gave us an almost free oil change.
I have known 4 people with VW's and all 4 have said they would never EVER buy another one. Apart from the money pit horrible reliability, it was the dealer experience where when they fail the dealers blamed the owners - even under warranty. That said it's not like the Koreans have not had problems - massive engine recalls - and the 1.5 liter Honda Dilution problems on their civics and CRV will shorten the life of their engines making them NOT a good long-term solution. In other words, if they are going to be long-term problems then at least the VW offers some performance. But the dealer experience matters too so folks really should look at this - Hyundai and Kia are apparently abysmal in the US. Toyota has a great reputation. Things to consider. But remember - Miata is always the answer. Get one of those. :)
I owned a 1998 Civic DX Coupe bought near the end of that year; It was tough to find, only three left in the LM at the time. 5spd manual, roll up windows, wheel covers, yet great materials inside and soft touch dashboard to boot. I loved that car, had it 6 years and put on 160000km. I miss when the Civics were more about reliability and simplicity than they are today. I guess that is just where the market has gone. I think my car was $16ish thousand at the time and offered way more reliability than the competition. I'm not in the market for a small car but I'd be hard pressed to consider the Civics as I just don't find them appealing like they once were. Guess I'm in the "old man category" now; lol (41).
Premium fuel is the way to go, with any vehicle, because it lowers the risk of detonation, spark-knock, and keeps the engine running cooler. So, if you're hard on your car like me, or like to go on long-distance travels, the premium fuel will pay for itself by saving you from extra wear and tear that is prevented with better fuel. These newer Honda Civics, with the turbochargers, can be easily tuned to make up the difference between the 1.5T sport touring, and the 1.5T Si.
Reliability scares are the only reason I did not shop for a GTI. I have always driven Hondas and Toyotas now and you just never have any issues. Love the looks of the GTI/R so much though. I would really love to have one as a 2nd car.
In Southern Ontario, premium fuel (91) used to be about 10 cents more than regular 87. But the last few years, the difference in price has grown to about 25-30 cents more over regular. I can see why people give this consideration now when making a decision on a daily driver.
One of your best reviews guys. Great comparison too with the competitors. ( I wish Honda would get rid of that cheese grade bumper, its really ugly...enough already ) BTW I agree with Zach. I have a 2017 GTI, Performance Pack , Autobahn , manual, with the Unitronic Stage 1 ( cost $500 CDN) programming I get 297 HP, regular gas . Stage 2 and up you need 93 Octane and higher so I stuck with Stage 1. I have ZERO issues with my 2017, nothing. Footnote 2017 GTI was there best year in my opinion thats why they are so desired on resale. As for Honda , I think they need to get a whole new platform for Hot Hatch segment , they just aren't there. The R is great if you are 18 years old but embarrassing for anyone over 30 to be caught in. I would love to see Honda get a new platform with a viable competitor because the others are killing them for a HH . As is now its basically a Honda Civic trying to appeal to non enthusiasts middle of the road drivers. Like big boat SUVs that are branded as " Sport" or " GT" with packages costing 5k $ plus more in options. Honda did come out with the R but its as I mentioned geared for kids. Take the R redesign the exterior , get rid of that ridiculous spoiler and you have a real Hot Hatch Some enthusiasts hate VW especially after Dieselgate, and I can't blame them in all honesty. I am not saying to buy a GTI, simply relating my experience. As a buyer you decide on your own what best suits you and your lifestyle.
I've owned a couple of Honda automobiles, the last being a wonderfully reliable and fun 2004 Prelude and several two wheel Hondas. . Since that time, however, I've owned two GTI's, a MK6 and now a MK7.5. Equally reliable and all in all a superior vehicle. The Civic Hatchback is undoubtedly a good car but the GTI is iconic.
I have been with honda cars for last 20 years, my last honda is 2016 honda civic. I had many issues with the infotainment system freezing, reverse camera doesn't turn off even on the drive gear, android auto turns off infotainment screen. But the engine is awesome, Honda sensor is great and have alert me manytimes. Insurance is high for honda civic. Reliability is key for me. So I still carry GPS in this car and planning to move to Mazda this year.
When I was looking to get new car I thought about the Honda Civic Hatchback, but did not to even bother test driving because I didn't think I could live with the looks and all that tech. Civic looked best in the first 4 or 5 generations and been going downhill after that. For ages I wanted a VW Golf but had been too afraid to give them a chance because of hearing so many negative things with reliability. Then I finally took a chance and got the TDI and it was such a great car I loved it so much and I had zero issues with it, although I only had it for four years until I had to give it up. I ended up replacing it with GTI, I'm not sure how reliable it is going to be since I had trouble with it pretty much from start. It better last a long time because there aren't many modern cars I would want to get.
Motormouth said that the GTI runs on regular fuel. But I dont think it will have 228 Hp if it does. Can you confirm? I think 228 Hp is for premium fuel only.
@@Platos-Den I only use Premium fuel in mine, except for maybe a couple of fill ups. I choose premium because it's ethanol free at least at the station I go to where I am. I'll do whatever will help to keep the car trouble free for as long as possible. Are you really going to notice the power difference?! By the way my GTI is only 210HP.
I have the 2019 civic sedan lx 6spd with the 2.0L. 18 months I just hit 20,000km and have been 2 the dealer twice just for oil changes. So far so good.
Andrea, colourful and bright in that dress, nicely plays off the black Honda. Her sunny disposition complements her grounded insight that the Honda won't give you a tenth of the headaches the GTI will... take the Honda and blow the repair savings on a trip somewhere warm :)
You guys became my favorite car channel. Does anybody knows if this car is good for snowy days/places? It's a shame that we don't get a SI hatchback. I really like the coupe, but I do have kids so it's not a good option for me 😅
Excellent video, you are so good together when you review cars. I get so much info but it's fun & easy to watch. Keep up the great work, so glad you brought Drea in. 😍
Realistically if I'm going to pick a GTI it would have to be under a comparison with the Si and not the Sport Touring. I think if you're comparing apples to apples, a Golf (manual) vs a hathback Civic with the 1.5T (manual) I would go with the Civic ... and I did. The gear ratios are shorter and more fun, and it has a way bigger hatch. The only down side is the premium gas, the milage does help equal it out.
Even when you lease a car you put that junk in the economy. It is in the market as a second hand car after that and since they are expensive junk they are still a burden for the economy since they will suck the resources of the individuals and the nation to maintain it. Yes, more jobs for the people, but, on the long run worse contribution to the economy. My suggestion is don;t even lease the European junk. If you do, you still make them enter the market with their junk cars.
Oh god, you guys in NA/Canada talking about the 1.5T being underpowered... try owning the 1.0T 126bhp that's offered here in the UK! 😂 Joking aside, I love the car. It's not lightning fast and the 1.0T is a bit roarcus when revved out but it's a fun little beast. Compared against the likes of Kia, Hyundai and Ford it just feels premium to me.
Have enjoyed your reviews for many years, Zack. And now great to have Andrea’s input. Keep up the good work! (BTW the conversion to MPG is way off, even when converting to US gallons. The Civic gets great mileage.) I’ve had a few VW’s and have leased a series of Hondas. The VWs were fun to drive but I always had quite old examples so can’t comment objectively on their reliability, at least from personal experience. I think the Civic HB LX is overlooked. I am currently leasing a ‘19 manual. It is quite well equipped. I really don’t feel like I’m doing without. (No sunroof. Sorry, Andrea!) It has a full suite of safety systems, Android Auto & Apple Car Play (which takes care of navi), auto headlights, auto high beam, and heated seats. The 16” wheels are, well, a little delicate looking. I think 17” would be just right. It’s not the fastest or most luxurious Honda that I’ve leased but it’s a blast to drive, rides great, and is roomy to boot. I think the numbers on paper don’t tell the whole story. (The Civic is quite light.) So much of the car just feels right. (Yeah, the styling is a bit overwrought. I think the recently refreshed sedan is the best looking of the current Civic generation.)
I really enjoyed driving the Civic HB even more than our sedan. I just like the look of it and how it handles. Glad to hear you are enjoying yours as well. And thanks for watching and supporting the channel all these years. :)
I've had three GTI's from 2003 to 2017and now a Golf R and they've been incredibly reliable- gas up and drive. (enjoyably) The current R is much better than the GTI IMO, especially in Winter- the best Golf ever made. Honda really needs to work on their styling- may as well make a good-looking car to go along with their other merits.
Love the review! We bought a 2017 Civic LX Hatchback for my son. He eventually didn't like it (long story), so guess whose daily driver it is now?? These are great cars and love the hatchback! Also, I'm with Andrea on this! I've owned 3 BMW's and 1 VW. Reliability rules in my book!
I don't know Zack. Andrea is right on this one. Cost of cars are going up and with an uncertain world ahead, do I really want to fork out more unreliable and a thrill? Civic and or Corolla gets the job done for years. Vw at one time maybe. Times are changing.
Honda for the win this time! I just love all the different opinions everyone has, great conversation piece. Thanks for watching & supporting the channel.
So glad to see you’ve included Andrea in your videos lately. Your videos are twice as good now lol. Now if you can just convince your son to participate, you’d truly have something unique.
It’s an family car, best you can buy. Why would they put the si engine in the basic civic This makes no since. Nobody cares about hp for the market this car is in. They want what it is an super reliable well made car that goes down the road. For those who want to have fun buy the si or type r
Have a 2019 version of the Hatch Sport Touring with standard transmission and love driving it. Wish they had the engine from the SI. Great car overall.
Honda over VW all day long for reliability. The GTI is awesome (and Cooper S JCW) until it breaks. How is the space in the Civic hatch? I need to get a small car in a year or two, but it has to have decent space...my 14 year old son has liked that Civic Sport hatch since he was like 10 (he loves the Type R looks). I think Honda would be my top pick. It’s been years since I owned a Honda (TWO del Sols and an Odyssey)!
Great review! I love hearing both of your opinions on a car! It’s great to hear a review from a man and a woman! You’re such a great team and you do a great job! I enjoy your videos!
I’m with you Zack on the GTI I would of had one if it wasn’t for the miserable VW dealer in Red Deer AB. They still have a pile of 2019 Golf R there still but they still want $45K for them here. My friend had a brand new Civc I’d never really been in one and I was impressed, until we parked it and I climbed out and it rolled backwards almost over my foot because he forgot to apply the dumb electric park brake. Since I own 3 mini coopers I put up with the dumb stuff just because I love driving them and believe me with winter arriving the “rattle season” has begun from creaking plastic 🤷♂️🙄🙄 I put up with them because there just different than everything else that looks the Yawn same 🥱🥱🥱
Have a 2020 Si and let me tell you this car is amazing... Incredible handling and enough power to put a smile on your face... Anyone looking for a sporty option packed car that won't kill you at the pump or wallet the Si is king... The hatch is nice but CVT equals boring in my book!!! Great review as always guys!!
@@deanmarr785 Hi Dean... Not sure what you mean... My comparison was not with the Gti.. Did you even read my post???? I'm comparing an Si with the car being reviewed.. It would be nice for ppl to actually read things properly before making smart ass remarks... Btw, if you are and enthusiast, you should get the gti with a manual!!! Way better driving experience.. Sure the DSG is fast as hell, but nothing like rolling through your own gears...
If I were to buy new I'd get the GTI. But I'd never buy a used out of warranty GTI. I'd get civic hatchback sport touring and mod it for less than 1000$ and get at least at the same power than a GTI. The Honda even moded will last longer and be way more reliable . Plus the GTI with the same luxury and safety features is 39k CAD.
Great videos! And glad to see you two having fun with it...refreshing :-) As well, so happy to look at videos with a Canadian twist! Now; I am with Zac (for driving) and Andrea (for reliability)...but mostly, as a « careful » Canadian, I go with the Civic! Anyday, anytime... it may not be the best driver car...but you ain’t driving much when you spend your days at the dealer fixing the bugs (many many) of the GTI... Honda! Build them in Canada, and I will buy one! Remi (Montréal)
Thank you so much, really happy to hear you are enjoying the videos. I just love the conversations we are all having. GTI - great drive Civic - reliability. Everyone has a different opinion and different experiences, that's what makes the world go round. :)
This was an excellent review. You both made excellent points and good arguments for this 10th generation Civic. I personally think that Civic is trying just ‘a little’ too hard to capture and capitalize on the younger market. Which is ironic, as that was the Market that Honda has always had in the past. Keep It Simple (stupid) Honda! Stick to the formula... inexpensive, cheap (to buy/run/maintain) and fun! With a manual transmission... one could never do any better. But at this price-point... I agree... go and put yourself behind the wheel of a VW GTI. You will not be disappointed. Thanks for the video, together, guys!
GTI is a driving enthusiasts' mature daily driver that does the tricks at the track on the weekend. The only Civic that competes with that is the TypeR, which costs atleast $10k more and looks like something a 16 yr old would drive to the moshpit.
Oh.. and I had a GTi and it was very fun. The $3000+ dollars to replace the entire sunroof assembly (called a “cassette”) because of a frame that cracked was not fun. Lots and lots of other expensive problems that much older and “inferior” cars never had. I’ll never buy VW or anything German ever again.
Awesome video, but I'm sorry to say, you weren't using the Volume mechanic in the correct way on the previous Civic, you were supposed to SWIPE, either on the infotainment button section, or on the steering wheel, not use them as buttons, but using the center part of the mechanism with a swipe...
They got rid of the swipe feature on the volume knob for the steering wheel now you have to click on it. It used to be you could swipe it doesn't do that any longer
I have a 2020 jeep renegade that I hate. I cannot put anything in it without it being tossed around. Not even jumper cables. I want to trade it in for this car and got approved. But I’m having second thoughts. Any suggestions?
Honda civic has no rear air vents in its line up. I care about that much more than heated rear seats. My kids always complained that the AC coming from the front vents is too weak. Was curious in the Accord, and noticed that you have to go with the EXL model to get rear air vents for the price of 40k, taxes included. I guess for Honda thats a " luxury " feature.
I got myself a Mazda 3 it just felt a more connection to the car when driving and is just was more fun to drive. Also I didn't like cars with cvt transmissions it feels weird, the earthdreams engine has oil and fuel dillution, and lastly if u want a reliable car for years NA is the way to go.
@@andreaspencer9813 The steering wheel control changed in 2019 as well. It used to be a ribbed slide-up-to-increase contact strip (which is not that precise). Now it is a simple rocker-style push the top for more, bottom for less type of control.
I feel like you guys aren’t comparing apples to apples. The civic “sport” isn’t a hot hatch like the GTI, Elantra sport, or forte GT. Those are cars in the same class as the Si
looks like you use a very nice neighbourhood in Vancouver for our driving segments....seems familiar...Shaughnessy? Point Grey? - near UBC? my alma mater.
@@Motormouth... enjoy your videos very much. A nice, entertaining dynamic between Andrea and yourself. I wonder how many married couples could pull that off when it comes to analyzing cars?
Here the simple answer, in Vancouver, if you have student loan to pay and no mortgage yet, get the Honda, and if you have a comfortable job and couple years into your mortgage, get the GTI.
The new upcoming GTI is more sleeker than the civic but I’d compare it to Hyundai, Honda and Toyota I see tons of both Corolla and civic but for my money I’d buy a Honda hatchback
Bringing Andrea on was a really good choice. I love her sober second thought, and how the chemistry between these guys works in a way that keeps things grounded.
Thank you very much for your kind words, I am thrilled to hear you are enjoying the reviews we do together. :)
Ever since Honda launched this 10th gen, people claimed it's "over designed" or "trying too hard" and I think this is how this car should look. The civic has always been this quirky, unique little compact that has the ability to appeal to the masses, and Honda lost their touch with it in its 9th generation. This car is unapologetically Japanese with it's design and the majority of people love it. I'm pretty sure it's one of the reasons it's the best selling compact in the U.S and the best selling passenger car in Canada.
I wouldn’t say always. The previous gen was a joke.
@@DoctorSkillz that's literally what I just said...
@@kyron2092 I missed that part because I was blinded by my rage over the previous generation design. I hope you can forgive me.
@@DoctorSkillz lol, nah you're fine 🤣 it happens. Glad we can agree the 9th gen was disappointing
And now they say the new gen looks so boring😂. You cant satisfy anyone nowadays
I’m with Andrea on this one, get a Honda, just pump gas and drive for years to come.
They sure do!
Are you still stuck in the 90s, early 2000s? Planned obsolescence is getting worse and worse, you expect this will last for years to come? Turbo and CVT sounds like a money pit post warranty..
@@SandmanV3 that's if you believe that idiot kilmer
I agree! VW are nice cars but owning for long run is a money pit! GTI and R are nice for lease only! Thats why theres a lot of them in the used lot.
@@nickr3441 Scotty is a moron begging for attention. I’ve owned a Pilot and a couple Accords and they are awful. Transmissions don’t last, bulbs keep blowing out and their QC is absolutely crap. I’d be lucky to survive a year without having the Pilot’s passenger side area without leaking.
Nope on the GTI. And I love how it drives! I went from a Honda Si to a GTI. The horror show of problems and the insane cost for repairs soured me on VW forever. Maybe you've got the $ to make the performance of it worth the headaches, I but I sure as hell don't with kids and a mortgage to deal with. Went back to Honda and regretted ever getting the GTI, no matter how much fun it was to drive
Wow, sorry to hear you had so many issues with your GTI. My Honda Accord we purchased was amazing, never had a problem. Honda makes good vehicles.
To compare a gti to that car ain’t a comparison you have to compare that to the type r. The gti looks like a matchbox on wheels 💩
@@stableslayers3958
A 6 speed manual 1.5T Civic Sport Hatch is very comparable to the GTI. And with a Hondata flash for 8psi and full exhaust HP will be over 200 for the Civic.
Listening to Andrea would be smart idea. Honda any day
YES, I think so....
Andrea is not that knowledgeable when talking about cars
Your wife knows her stuff, great job.
I agree, love the female perspective.
I owned a Sport Touring 6spd manual, the grey hatchback- still one of my favourite cars. I love the look, the power-to-weight ratio, and the overall ride. Just lacking AWD, other than that it's an excellent car.
Did some extensive testing and research when I converted to a hatch. Having driven my fair share of German cars, I'm happy I went with Honda. I've had my hatchback sport since 2017 and it's been running great and not costly at all to maintain
Good for you! So happy to hear it's been a great car.
My kid wants one. Specifically the sports civic. Hope the drivers seat goes back far. He is 6.3 inch.
Agree with Andrea!!! I owned a 07 manual Civic it was so unbelievably reliable! I NEVER had to worry about anything with it. I loved that car! Also as Zack said I didn’t know how to drive manual I just sat in the car and figured it out it was forgiving
Oh that's great, glad you had an excellent experience.
I got a 2020 Civic EX in August, im loving it so far, love the styling and I find it very comfortable and great on gas.
Awesome, we have a civic sedan and really love it. Kind of wish we got the hatchback though. I really enjoyed driving this hatchback.
It is sooo satisfying to see that kind of video with each other bringing arguments. Since I'm in Europe and have a different perspective, it's very cool to see another pov. Great review, very interesting
I pick my 2021 up today I'm excited
I LOVE Hondas! I too have to go with Andrea on this one. Honda makes good cars and they engineer them to be reliable. If I had disposable income, reliability would not be an issue, but I don't have disposable income and I have a family. I want my car to work EVERY time I drive it. After finally letting go of an old car that constantly broke down I am so glad I do not have to put up with those "surprise" mechanic bills. For me it is Honda all the way. Honda may not offer a manual in every car but they are one of the few cars that still offer a manual. I definitely am a fan of the Honda Civic Sport platform because it made my 2019 Honda Civic Type R possible. Go team Honda!
Love it!
My Wife and I have a 2019 Honda Civic sport Hatch with a 6 speed. Love the car! Can haul so much with it and have had zero issues. Maintenance and fuel economy is amazing. The GTI is cool but the price difference is jarring. $28,000 for a sport hatch compared to $40,000 for a GTI in my area. Can’t really compare them for that price difference. I agree the civic sport is low on power but I didn’t buy it for HP.
Wonderful, glad you are enjoying your Civic!
Found brand new 19 manual of this car, and enjoying it. Bike inside with driver and 2 passengers. Let that sink in.
Drive casual and mileage is great.
Sporty too when u need it.
Pls keep buying manuals. Cheers from Montreal
Canadian people seem so nice and relaxed. Its refreshing.
I got a 2018 Honda Civic LX Hatch.
LX because I didn’t want to pay for premium fuel... and you’ll never NEVER notice those 6 hp. The nice thing about the LX is it gives you almost everything you need (heated seats, Apple Car Play/Android Auto, automatic climate control, all power options except seats) which is uncharacteristic of Hondas packaging where they often make you shell out for an EX-L or a Touring for even basic stuff.
Standard. CVTs and reliability and longevity are mutually exclusive. You have pieces that are wearing constantly as the vehicle is driving vs a clutch that’s only slipping for a short time. In traffic it isn’t that bad because you can crawl it at very slow speeds and you have enough torque with the turbo to accelerate in almost any gear.
Mixed city and highway driving we get 6.5l/100km.
We’ve been very satisfied with ours.. same colour and rims as your first tester. One recall for fuel dilution which also fixed the heating issue and gave us an almost free oil change.
Thank you for all this great feedback! You are getting very good fuel efficiency as well.
I have known 4 people with VW's and all 4 have said they would never EVER buy another one. Apart from the money pit horrible reliability, it was the dealer experience where when they fail the dealers blamed the owners - even under warranty. That said it's not like the Koreans have not had problems - massive engine recalls - and the 1.5 liter Honda Dilution problems on their civics and CRV will shorten the life of their engines making them NOT a good long-term solution. In other words, if they are going to be long-term problems then at least the VW offers some performance. But the dealer experience matters too so folks really should look at this - Hyundai and Kia are apparently abysmal in the US. Toyota has a great reputation. Things to consider. But remember - Miata is always the answer. Get one of those. :)
The misery fun factor!!! 😂😂😂 I get really mad if my car gets broken. I prefer a reliable car with a smooth quiet ride, I guess I’m getting older.
I'll be interested to see what Honda does with the new Civic, 11 generation, coming out in about a year. Love my '19 Civic.
hopefully looks better
Early design documents already leaked. Mostly making the creases and funky look normal. Baby accord like.
Need to see the concept design!! 😃
Good job Andrea! Be the voice of us, the silent majority. Love the video!
Thank you so much!
owned two gtis and tracked one. still would go with my hondas. old fart me loves this hatch. wife calls it my storm trooper. love your reviews
The reviews are getting better and better especially now Andrea has become a regular and has different segments incorporated!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Terrific, happy to hear you are enjoying the reviews and our new format. Thanks for the positive feedback, always appreciated.
@@andreaspencer9813, you are very welcome!!
Keep it up....💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I went to the Honda dealership to buy a Civic Hatchback Sport, drove away in a used GTI Autobahn instead and never looked back. Love my GTI!
I owned a 1998 Civic DX Coupe bought near the end of that year; It was tough to find, only three left in the LM at the time. 5spd manual, roll up windows, wheel covers, yet great materials inside and soft touch dashboard to boot. I loved that car, had it 6 years and put on 160000km. I miss when the Civics were more about reliability and simplicity than they are today. I guess that is just where the market has gone. I think my car was $16ish thousand at the time and offered way more reliability than the competition. I'm not in the market for a small car but I'd be hard pressed to consider the Civics as I just don't find them appealing like they once were. Guess I'm in the "old man category" now; lol (41).
Premium fuel is the way to go, with any vehicle, because it lowers the risk of detonation, spark-knock, and keeps the engine running cooler. So, if you're hard on your car like me, or like to go on long-distance travels, the premium fuel will pay for itself by saving you from extra wear and tear that is prevented with better fuel. These newer Honda Civics, with the turbochargers, can be easily tuned to make up the difference between the 1.5T sport touring, and the 1.5T Si.
Reliability scares are the only reason I did not shop for a GTI. I have always driven Hondas and Toyotas now and you just never have any issues. Love the looks of the GTI/R so much though. I would really love to have one as a 2nd car.
In Southern Ontario, premium fuel (91) used to be about 10 cents more than regular 87. But the last few years, the difference in price has grown to about 25-30 cents more over regular. I can see why people give this consideration now when making a decision on a daily driver.
Totally agree! Our fuel prices in Vancouver are crazy expensive.
You're lucky in SO, try coming to NO. You'll be shocked
One of your best reviews guys. Great comparison too with the competitors. ( I wish Honda would get rid of that cheese grade bumper, its really ugly...enough already ) BTW I agree with Zach. I have a 2017 GTI, Performance Pack , Autobahn , manual, with the Unitronic Stage 1 ( cost $500 CDN) programming I get 297 HP, regular gas . Stage 2 and up you need 93 Octane and higher so I stuck with Stage 1. I have ZERO issues with my 2017, nothing. Footnote 2017 GTI was there best year in my opinion thats why they are so desired on resale. As for Honda , I think they need to get a whole new platform for Hot Hatch segment , they just aren't there. The R is great if you are 18 years old but embarrassing for anyone over 30 to be caught in. I would love to see Honda get a new platform with a viable competitor because the others are killing them for a HH . As is now its basically a Honda Civic trying to appeal to non enthusiasts middle of the road drivers. Like big boat SUVs that are branded as " Sport" or " GT" with packages costing 5k $ plus more in options. Honda did come out with the R but its as I mentioned geared for kids. Take the R redesign the exterior , get rid of that ridiculous spoiler and you have a real Hot Hatch
Some enthusiasts hate VW especially after Dieselgate, and I can't blame them in all honesty. I am not saying to buy a GTI, simply relating my experience. As a buyer you decide on your own what best suits you and your lifestyle.
I've owned a couple of Honda automobiles, the last being a wonderfully reliable and fun 2004 Prelude and several two wheel Hondas. . Since that time, however, I've owned two GTI's, a MK6 and now a MK7.5. Equally reliable and all in all a superior vehicle. The Civic Hatchback is undoubtedly a good car but the GTI is iconic.
Glad to hear you've had no issues with your vehicles. I absolutely loved the Prelude, great looking car.
I have been with honda cars for last 20 years, my last honda is 2016 honda civic. I had many issues with the infotainment system freezing, reverse camera doesn't turn off even on the drive gear, android auto turns off infotainment screen. But the engine is awesome, Honda sensor is great and have alert me manytimes. Insurance is high for honda civic. Reliability is key for me. So I still carry GPS in this car and planning to move to Mazda this year.
When I was looking to get new car I thought about the Honda Civic Hatchback, but did not to even bother test driving because I didn't think I could live with the looks and all that tech. Civic looked best in the first 4 or 5 generations and been going downhill after that. For ages I wanted a VW Golf but had been too afraid to give them a chance because of hearing so many negative things with reliability. Then I finally took a chance and got the TDI and it was such a great car I loved it so much and I had zero issues with it, although I only had it for four years until I had to give it up. I ended up replacing it with GTI, I'm not sure how reliable it is going to be since I had trouble with it pretty much from start. It better last a long time because there aren't many modern cars I would want to get.
Motormouth said that the GTI runs on regular fuel. But I dont think it will have 228 Hp if it does. Can you confirm?
I think 228 Hp is for premium fuel only.
@@Platos-Den I only use Premium fuel in mine, except for maybe a couple of fill ups. I choose premium because it's ethanol free at least at the station I go to where I am. I'll do whatever will help to keep the car trouble free for as long as possible. Are you really going to notice the power difference?! By the way my GTI is only 210HP.
228hp on regular
I have the 2019 civic sedan lx 6spd with the 2.0L. 18 months I just hit 20,000km and have been 2 the dealer twice just for oil changes. So far so good.
Andrea, colourful and bright in that dress, nicely plays off the black Honda. Her sunny disposition complements her grounded insight that the Honda won't give you a tenth of the headaches the GTI will... take the Honda and blow the repair savings on a trip somewhere warm :)
You guys became my favorite car channel. Does anybody knows if this car is good for snowy days/places? It's a shame that we don't get a SI hatchback. I really like the coupe, but I do have kids so it's not a good option for me 😅
Excellent video, you are so good together when you review cars. I get so much info but it's fun & easy to watch. Keep up the great work, so glad you brought Drea in. 😍
Thank you so much, really glad to hear you liked it.
I'm enjoying the dynamic of you guys!!!! Awesome episode!
Realistically if I'm going to pick a GTI it would have to be under a comparison with the Si and not the Sport Touring. I think if you're comparing apples to apples, a Golf (manual) vs a hathback Civic with the 1.5T (manual) I would go with the Civic ... and I did. The gear ratios are shorter and more fun, and it has a way bigger hatch. The only down side is the premium gas, the milage does help equal it out.
They lease the hell out of them german car's a Honda nine times out of ten they buy and drive till the wheels fall off
All the way to the end! That’s how you get the max out of your hard earned money! Go Honda!
Even when you lease a car you put that junk in the economy. It is in the market as a second hand car after that and since they are expensive junk they are still a burden for the economy since they will suck the resources of the individuals and the nation to maintain it. Yes, more jobs for the people, but, on the long run worse contribution to the economy. My suggestion is don;t even lease the European junk. If you do, you still make them enter the market with their junk cars.
Oh god, you guys in NA/Canada talking about the 1.5T being underpowered... try owning the 1.0T 126bhp that's offered here in the UK! 😂 Joking aside, I love the car. It's not lightning fast and the 1.0T is a bit roarcus when revved out but it's a fun little beast. Compared against the likes of Kia, Hyundai and Ford it just feels premium to me.
Have enjoyed your reviews for many years, Zack. And now great to have Andrea’s input. Keep up the good work!
(BTW the conversion to MPG is way off, even when converting to US gallons. The Civic gets great mileage.)
I’ve had a few VW’s and have leased a series of Hondas. The VWs were fun to drive but I always had quite old examples so can’t comment objectively on their reliability, at least from personal experience.
I think the Civic HB LX is overlooked. I am currently leasing a ‘19 manual. It is quite well equipped. I really don’t feel like I’m doing without. (No sunroof. Sorry, Andrea!) It has a full suite of safety systems, Android Auto & Apple Car Play (which takes care of navi), auto headlights, auto high beam, and heated seats. The 16” wheels are, well, a little delicate looking. I think 17” would be just right. It’s not the fastest or most luxurious Honda that I’ve leased but it’s a blast to drive, rides great, and is roomy to boot. I think the numbers on paper don’t tell the whole story. (The Civic is quite light.) So much of the car just feels right. (Yeah, the styling is a bit overwrought. I think the recently refreshed sedan is the best looking of the current Civic generation.)
I really enjoyed driving the Civic HB even more than our sedan. I just like the look of it and how it handles. Glad to hear you are enjoying yours as well. And thanks for watching and supporting the channel all these years. :)
The fuel economy is directly from the u.s. website
Had a look at the U.S. site too. I see 29 and 35 not 20 and 35. : )
oops, typo.
I've had three GTI's from 2003 to 2017and now a Golf R and they've been incredibly reliable- gas up and drive. (enjoyably)
The current R is much better than the GTI IMO, especially in Winter- the best Golf ever made.
Honda really needs to work on their styling- may as well make a good-looking car to go along with their other merits.
I’ve achieved just over 45mpg on my 2018 civic sport cvt on long trips on the highway!!
Wow, fantastic!!
Love the review! We bought a 2017 Civic LX Hatchback for my son. He eventually didn't like it (long story), so guess whose daily driver it is now?? These are great cars and love the hatchback! Also, I'm with Andrea on this! I've owned 3 BMW's and 1 VW. Reliability rules in my book!
Happy to hear you enjoyed the review! Civic for the win!
I have owned a 2016 and 2019 vw golf r and in 4 1/2 years of ownership have not had a single reliability issue! 🤞
That's great to hear, thanks for the feedback.
I don't know Zack. Andrea is right on this one. Cost of cars are going up and with an uncertain world ahead, do I really want to fork out more unreliable and a thrill? Civic and or Corolla gets the job done for years. Vw at one time maybe. Times are changing.
Honda for the win this time! I just love all the different opinions everyone has, great conversation piece. Thanks for watching & supporting the channel.
Hi what camera do you use? It’s amazing quality!
GoPro, DJI and Canon video camera
So glad to see you’ve included Andrea in your videos lately. Your videos are twice as good now lol. Now if you can just convince your son to participate, you’d truly have something unique.
Thank you so much, glad you are enjoying the reviews! So awesome!
Yesss, I like this car so much, my best Civic. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙂😲👍🏻
I really enjoyed driving it for the week, so fun!
It’s an family car, best you can buy. Why would they put the si engine in the basic civic This makes no since. Nobody cares about hp for the market this car is in. They want what it is an super reliable well made car that goes down the road. For those who want to have fun buy the si or type r
Can you guys please review the new VE Taos! I am excited to hear more about this vehicle!!!
Yes, when it's available in the press fleet, we sure will.
Have a 2019 version of the Hatch Sport Touring with standard transmission and love driving it. Wish they had the engine from the SI. Great car overall.
Excellent car, glad to hear you are enjoying it.
@@andreaspencer9813 great review as well!
@@mattcummins4312 Thank you so much! :)
Honda over VW all day long for reliability. The GTI is awesome (and Cooper S JCW) until it breaks. How is the space in the Civic hatch? I need to get a small car in a year or two, but it has to have decent space...my 14 year old son has liked that Civic Sport hatch since he was like 10 (he loves the Type R looks). I think Honda would be my top pick. It’s been years since I owned a Honda (TWO del Sols and an Odyssey)!
Great review! I love hearing both of your opinions on a car! It’s great to hear a review from a man and a woman! You’re such a great team and you do a great job! I enjoy your videos!
I’m with you Zack on the GTI I would of had one if it wasn’t for the miserable VW dealer in Red Deer AB. They still have a pile of 2019 Golf R there still but they still want $45K for them here. My friend had a brand new Civc I’d never really been in one and I was impressed, until we parked it and I climbed out and it rolled backwards almost over my foot because he forgot to apply the dumb electric park brake. Since I own 3 mini coopers I put up with the dumb stuff just because I love driving them and believe me with winter arriving the “rattle season” has begun from creaking plastic 🤷♂️🙄🙄 I put up with them because there just different than everything else that looks the Yawn same 🥱🥱🥱
Oh no, that's terrible about the Civic and your foot! Mini Coopers are fun to drive and they look great.
Congrats on the new edition to your family! It’s an exciting time when you get your driver’s licence 🥳
Thank you so much! AND yes, it is a very exciting time. :)
Your husband knows his stuff, great job.
Have a 2020 Si and let me tell you this car is amazing... Incredible handling and enough power to put a smile on your face...
Anyone looking for a sporty option packed car that won't kill you at the pump or wallet the Si is king...
The hatch is nice but CVT equals boring in my book!!!
Great review as always guys!!
I'm averaging 6.7l per 100 kms and have a heavy foot
I agree the Si is the Civic to get.
CVT on which car? The GTI offers a DSG gearbox. Best gearbox out there. Please do some research.
@@deanmarr785 Hi Dean... Not sure what you mean... My comparison was not with the Gti.. Did you even read my post???? I'm comparing an Si with the car being reviewed..
It would be nice for ppl to actually read things properly before making smart ass remarks...
Btw, if you are and enthusiast, you should get the gti with a manual!!! Way better driving experience.. Sure the DSG is fast as hell, but nothing like rolling through your own gears...
Swear god when I get my license, Imma get this Honda civic hatchback all black. Look too clean..
As for reliably, remember Honda has an issue with the 1.5L. And as far as i am aware of, it hasn't been fixed
What issue?
"Get the GTI"
Gets sons a Civic. LOL. Too funny.
I wouldn't buy a GTI for someone learning to drive.
CIVIC all the way for the boys!
Not for a new driver.
Easier said than done. When it comes from your own wallet the Civic is a better a choice
The gti would match with the si Choked when i said this vw is trash
If I were to buy new I'd get the GTI. But I'd never buy a used out of warranty GTI. I'd get civic hatchback sport touring and mod it for less than 1000$ and get at least at the same power than a GTI. The Honda even moded will last longer and be way more reliable . Plus the GTI with the same luxury and safety features is 39k CAD.
Great videos! And glad to see you two having fun with it...refreshing :-) As well, so happy to look at videos with a Canadian twist! Now; I am with Zac (for driving) and Andrea (for reliability)...but mostly, as a « careful » Canadian, I go with the Civic! Anyday, anytime... it may not be the best driver car...but you ain’t driving much when you spend your days at the dealer fixing the bugs (many many) of the GTI... Honda! Build them in Canada, and I will buy one! Remi (Montréal)
Thank you so much, really happy to hear you are enjoying the videos. I just love the conversations we are all having. GTI - great drive Civic - reliability. Everyone has a different opinion and different experiences, that's what makes the world go round. :)
14:49 - The Swindon UK factory also produces the Civic Type R.
This was an excellent review. You both made excellent points and good arguments for this 10th generation Civic. I personally think that Civic is trying just ‘a little’ too hard to capture and capitalize on the younger market. Which is ironic, as that was the Market that Honda has always had in the past. Keep It Simple (stupid) Honda! Stick to the formula... inexpensive, cheap (to buy/run/maintain) and fun! With a manual transmission... one could never do any better. But at this price-point... I agree... go and put yourself behind the wheel of a VW GTI. You will not be disappointed. Thanks for the video, together, guys!
Thank you so much, happy you liked the review. And you've made some great points too!
Is this a Honda Civic review or Voltswagen GTI review?
Buy the GTI. Had the MK5 when it just came out in graphite grey color. I loved it and I miss it.
I can't help but think Bryan Chow is sitting at home a little bit sad because hes been replaced by a better looking CO host.
10:48 Thanks for answering my question!
Absolutely, thanks for sending one in. Great question!
Great on gas, but am now looking for hybrid/full electric.
Even better on fuel!
good video motormouth keep up the good work
Thank you so much, glad to hear you liked it.
I’m with you Zach, VW GTi all day. 🙂
I will wait and see if next gen comes out with simple and classy bumpers.. too much show off. Mazda 3 is so nice without crazy bumpers
GTI is a driving enthusiasts' mature daily driver that does the tricks at the track on the weekend. The only Civic that competes with that is the TypeR, which costs atleast $10k more and looks like something a 16 yr old would drive to the moshpit.
those tips looks better than the si’s coin slot
Mazda or GTI all the way. Never have warmed up to the looks of the Civic.
so those unreliable cars have problems during a 2 year lease? lol thats really bad being a pain while leasing needing to go to the dealer often.
So glad I picked up the Si =)
Use the steering wheel control. As a driver I rarely use the volume control on the head unit. I use the steering wheel control.
Oh.. and I had a GTi and it was very fun. The $3000+ dollars to replace the entire sunroof assembly (called a “cassette”) because of a frame that cracked was not fun. Lots and lots of other expensive problems that much older and “inferior” cars never had.
I’ll never buy VW or anything German ever again.
WOW!!!! That's crazy, $3,000!
Awesome video, but I'm sorry to say, you weren't using the Volume mechanic in the correct way on the previous Civic, you were supposed to SWIPE, either on the infotainment button section, or on the steering wheel, not use them as buttons, but using the center part of the mechanism with a swipe...
They got rid of the swipe feature on the volume knob for the steering wheel now you have to click on it. It used to be you could swipe it doesn't do that any longer
Is the oil dilution issue still there??
the easiest manual would be the corolla? with the iMT.
I have a 2020 jeep renegade that I hate. I cannot put anything in it without it being tossed around. Not even jumper cables. I want to trade it in for this car and got approved. But I’m having second thoughts. Any suggestions?
Honda civic has no rear air vents in its line up. I care about that much more than heated rear seats. My kids always complained that the AC coming from the front vents is too weak. Was curious in the Accord, and noticed that you have to go with the EXL model to get rear air vents for the price of 40k, taxes included. I guess for Honda thats a " luxury " feature.
Poor guy must have an head injury, unless I woke up in another world Vw will never be better than Honda
08 Vtec: You so missed his point.
This is the last year of the Hyundai Elantra GT in North America. Too many people seem to like CUV's
I got myself a Mazda 3 it just felt a more connection to the car when driving and is just was more fun to drive. Also I didn't like cars with cvt transmissions it feels weird, the earthdreams engine has oil and fuel dillution, and lastly if u want a reliable car for years NA is the way to go.
The missing volume knob is a issue? Really that’s being a bit picky you can adjust the volume on the steering wheel!
I do use the steering wheel and I'm used to it now. But, I was a little bit surprised at first to be honest.
@@andreaspencer9813 The steering wheel control changed in 2019 as well. It used to be a ribbed slide-up-to-increase contact strip (which is not that precise). Now it is a simple rocker-style push the top for more, bottom for less type of control.
@@CedarPark604 Yes, that's what we have on the steering wheel. We have a 2017 Civic.
I feel like you guys aren’t comparing apples to apples. The civic “sport” isn’t a hot hatch like the GTI, Elantra sport, or forte GT. Those are cars in the same class as the Si
The manual is much more enjoyable to drive.
Fun versus misery ratio, it is an interesting concept (I had a Jetta turbo 2010 ). Yes it is fun to drive but it is not for me anymore! 😁
When you mentioned the available LED tail lights, would that include the signal indicators?
looks like you use a very nice neighbourhood in Vancouver for our driving segments....seems familiar...Shaughnessy? Point Grey? - near UBC? my alma mater.
You are right!
@@Motormouth... enjoy your videos very much. A nice, entertaining dynamic between Andrea and yourself. I wonder how many married couples could pull that off when it comes to analyzing cars?
Here the simple answer, in Vancouver, if you have student loan to pay and no mortgage yet, get the Honda, and if you have a comfortable job and couple years into your mortgage, get the GTI.
That sounds about right!
The new upcoming GTI is more sleeker than the civic but I’d compare it to Hyundai, Honda and Toyota
I see tons of both Corolla and civic but for my money I’d buy a Honda hatchback
I wish Honda/Acura would bring back the Integra😪
I'm with Zach, GTI all the way.
Andrea & Zack great review...but i think Andrea wins this round Zack.
Just put regular gas and you've got 174 hp, what difference 6 hp makes?