Did I Pay TOO MUCH For These 3 Old Motorcycles??

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  • Опубликовано: 27 июл 2023
  • A unique motorcycle came up for sale on facebook marketplace so I inquired about it. The seller said that the bike was available, and he had some other motorcycles for sale as well. So we decided to go have a look. After a lot of negotiation we made a deal, but I had a slight case of buyer's remorse. I'd like to know what you all think of what I bought and the price I paid!
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  • @jamieclayton9
    @jamieclayton9 11 месяцев назад +190

    No, you certainly didn't! If it means we get more Jennies garage content its a winner! Love you guys! 😊

  • @Alexander_l322
    @Alexander_l322 11 месяцев назад +99

    That isn’t a bad deal. Once the black gasgas is running which I don’t imagine will take much to get it going then it will be a better deal. The blue one is really nice and I think worth the money you paid. You’ve got some content which I personally love so that to me is worth a million!

    • @jlucasound
      @jlucasound 11 месяцев назад +6

      Ya. No loss in this deal.

  • @averagecarguy420
    @averagecarguy420 11 месяцев назад +95

    As a 19 year old I can tell you the pit bike market is definitely on fire right now. You could probably get 2-3k for that thing, it being a Honda with genuine BBR parts. Spiff it up a little and get some plastics on it and you should be able to sell it quick.

    • @bobthenob9017
      @bobthenob9017 11 месяцев назад +10

      That's what am saying, that pit bike is bbred out, think he gonna get a shock when he comes to sell it and see's the price he gets for it

    • @joebrewer6554
      @joebrewer6554 11 месяцев назад +5

      You sure that's not for like KLX 110s? An XR50. I don't know 3k?

    • @averagecarguy420
      @averagecarguy420 11 месяцев назад

      @@joebrewer6554 you’d be surprised the smaller ones are going for crazy money rn

    • @johnfazzari6208
      @johnfazzari6208 11 месяцев назад

      What what what????

    • @k.snyder_812
      @k.snyder_812 11 месяцев назад +1

      Probably could get the the most out of it if you parted out all the bbr parts.

  • @tjtobin86
    @tjtobin86 11 месяцев назад +37

    The market on motorized things is way out of control. I think you paid a fair price for todays market. A bad deal for 5 years ago, but these are the times we live in. Thanks for more content!

    • @Danman1972
      @Danman1972 8 месяцев назад

      Its cooling of near me. A buddy was trying to sell a bike that 2 years ago would have hit at 5K. Not I saw he reduced to under 3. It was a lower hour super clean 250 with a good bit of after market stuff.

  • @corporalclegg914
    @corporalclegg914 11 месяцев назад +28

    I think they paid a proper retail price, but with Jake’s mechanical mechanic’ing prowess, he’ll come out ahead if he decides to sell or replace any pony in the stable due to this 3 bike deal.
    I’m just happy that Jen’s Garage is uploading videos more often. do us all a big favor & get active on our side of things (subscribing, commenting, liking) so JG’s monetary gains increase. I believe they’re seated over a gold mine, but are working hard at farming the soil, instead of classifying it. but, maybe I just see what I wanna see, since I like who they are. I believe they’re 100% good genuine Californian folks.
    so many love to watch uploads from this earnest, honest, entertaining & positive family’s channel. more exposure to fellow home mechanics, dirtbikers, 2-wheelin enthusiasts will bring new subs. let’s help get’em there.
    Lord Vader, Jesus/Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, Poseidon, Ozzy Osbourne & the Deity of Your Choice all know that they’ve been working hard & hustling to promote their family’s well-being over the years. if RUclips could be their full time (and fool time) job, then we’d all win.
    Honda 50 name = Bieber (BBR)
    -it’s small, cute, muscly, chicks want their turn with it, young dudes think it’s cool, it gets around, etc

  • @arichy4201
    @arichy4201 11 месяцев назад +9

    I’m so happy! It’s like Christmas! 3 Jennie’s garage videos in a month!!!!!! I’m glad y’all are back!

  • @broganhogan3469
    @broganhogan3469 11 месяцев назад +16

    It’s never a bad deal when we see new projects in the truck bed!! Hope you guys are well!!

  • @reckless3008
    @reckless3008 11 месяцев назад +14

    Great deal for all of us ❤️
    3 motorcycles x minimum 5 videos per bike = lots of Jenny's garage content 👌

    • @RustWater
      @RustWater 11 месяцев назад

      I like the way you think.

  • @tommcg666
    @tommcg666 11 месяцев назад +8

    it don't matter what they cost. the content you get will be priceless, thanks

  • @henripuustinen4642
    @henripuustinen4642 11 месяцев назад +7

    Milky sight glass is often a case of condensation or a slightly leaking oil fill plug o-ring.
    Those Gas Gas EC's are great bikes. Many parts fit from later bikes. Bullet proof engines.
    The Pampera has a trials based engine and gearbox.

  • @walterconn5637
    @walterconn5637 11 месяцев назад +8

    I think that you are underestimating the pit bike. It runs and is a Honda. So I would not be able to find another one like it for less than $1,500, but that may be because so many people ask too much for old bikes.
    Thanks for the video! I’m looking forward to learning about older Gas Gas bikes.

  • @skydiver6711
    @skydiver6711 11 месяцев назад +5

    I don't think you made a screaming deal, but like your wife said, it is a fine deal. I think you, with all your mechanical skills, can make some money and we get more Jennies Garage videos. Win - win. There are not enough words in the English language for me to tell you how much I enjoy your videos.

  • @Kevin-is-here
    @Kevin-is-here 11 месяцев назад +9

    Seems like a fair deal, as long as everyone is happy don’t let it eat you up😅

  • @whatvape1245
    @whatvape1245 11 месяцев назад +6

    Think hard times will make plenty in youtube revenue so count that in your deal. Not sure on the pit bike, not so popular over here. But think between the other two you've made out OK if you do all the vids for hard times in a full rebuild series.😊 looking forwards to regular videos from you again.

  • @jameshilliard7576
    @jameshilliard7576 11 месяцев назад

    Love that you are posting again. Love the videos. Keep them coming!

  • @TheSnyperfyre
    @TheSnyperfyre 11 месяцев назад

    Very glad to see all the new content! Keep em coming please!

  • @Yardoun
    @Yardoun 11 месяцев назад +7

    Man I missed you guys. I think its a solid deal!

  • @allenrb2
    @allenrb2 11 месяцев назад +7

    Four grand was what I was thinking was a decent, but upper end of what I'd expect it all to cost. Plus you get a slight ROI whenever you make videos featuring them, and in fun repairing, and then riding them. So as long as you don't sink too much into their repair, you'll come out ahead in the end.

  • @bizzidy
    @bizzidy 11 месяцев назад +6

    I’d say a very good deal. In commieville a street legal 2 stroke is worth at least twice the value of same bike not street legal. The other two bikes are strong bikes with a little TLC. I hope you can find parts for the hard times bike. It’s probably a great single track weapon. I have 9 bikes and have followed in your footsteps. It’s been really fun to put older bikes to good use.

  • @countryboyeich5074
    @countryboyeich5074 11 месяцев назад +1

    I love this channel. This is always my favorite channel. Once I see this popped up on my RUclips. I watch every single video.

  • @redmantas9294
    @redmantas9294 11 месяцев назад

    I’d say 4k was on the money, maybe a little on the higher side but think of the joy you’ll have tinkering around with them, that is priceless!

  • @sleeka91
    @sleeka91 11 месяцев назад +4

    ahh man cant wait to see these in a series!!!! would love to see another kdx type build/resto project. love you guys

  • @bruno_lee
    @bruno_lee 11 месяцев назад +1

    Don't know why I don't get any notifications for your videos anymore. I love the channel and the content you put out. It's nice to finally catch up!❤

  • @iamnickdavis
    @iamnickdavis 10 месяцев назад

    Love this channel. Glad to see videos again!

  • @Mounta1ngoat
    @Mounta1ngoat 11 месяцев назад +2

    Best way to start the weekend with a brand new video!

  • @Hejtho6969
    @Hejtho6969 11 месяцев назад +4

    Love the videos, I’ve been watching your videos for so long. Over and over again, love how you explain everything. Keep up the content you create.
    Greetings from Estonia!

    • @Davojo
      @Davojo 11 месяцев назад

      Nice me to! The Trail 90/125 and TE250 video's awesome!

  • @mmills37
    @mmills37 11 месяцев назад +1

    Looking forward to the rebuild/restoration of all these guys - you got a GREAT deal!

  • @larryreynolds8580
    @larryreynolds8580 11 месяцев назад

    I think you did great. And we get to see more! Looking forward to it 👍

  • @ktmroby4479
    @ktmroby4479 11 месяцев назад

    So happy to see more dirt bikes, that's the reason I started watching you guys like 5 years. I think you can make a little money on them, dirt bikes are getting more and more expensive. Love you guys! Keep it up

  • @hello_world777
    @hello_world777 11 месяцев назад

    So great to see you guys doing well! Your hair has grown back!!

  • @TheMeekSheep
    @TheMeekSheep 11 месяцев назад

    Good deal for us because y’all will post more videos. Y’all are awesome.

  • @patarmstrong3582
    @patarmstrong3582 11 месяцев назад +3

    Pit bikes are indeed a hot commodity. Perhaps that has an 88cc cylinder? And a race head with big valves. Those kits are usually sold with a cam. My 88, which is probably very similar to yours, easily hits 50 mph, and is a blast. Should have a 19mm carb as well. For the size, that bike will surprise you. Its got a ton of good parts- probably more than you have noticed. And, you got a street legal 2 stroke! Id say you came out on top. The pit bike could bring 500, or it could bring 2000. Get a good inventory of the aftermarket parts, and seek out pitbike clubs in the area. Im in central KY, and we have a big meet called Dude Date ( not the website- thats a meeting place, probably not your cup of tea. Dude Date used to have a Facebook page. Last event I attended was in 2016, but I imagine there is still a strong following. Might be able to link up with some folks who are closer.

  • @coloradoexplorer3940
    @coloradoexplorer3940 11 месяцев назад +1

    hell yea! i take this that you're officially back now!

  • @remady5827
    @remady5827 11 месяцев назад

    I'm so glad your uploading dirt bike content again!!!

  • @jlucasound
    @jlucasound 11 месяцев назад

    You are about even, straight up. Video content potential? Priceless!! 😙

  • @martinburgess4814
    @martinburgess4814 11 месяцев назад

    Great to see you guys back.That werent a bad buy.

  • @jjhopscotch7646
    @jjhopscotch7646 11 месяцев назад

    Smart purchase! Think of all the great content!!!

  • @jeffreygortz6146
    @jeffreygortz6146 11 месяцев назад +1

    Glad you guys are back !!!!!!! Love your channel .........

  • @jake360flip
    @jake360flip 11 месяцев назад

    I stumbled across these videos as i'm doing a "will it run" on a 96 KX100.
    I came for some help and i've stayed for the company. Also we're both named Jake so we must be cool.
    I admire your knowledge and the connection you both have with each other. I can one day dream I reach the same level in both fields. I've never touched a motorbike repair before, but i'm confident i can get it running and once i get it running, I'm going to reply to my own post here and say it works. Wish me luck.

  • @relaxed_borgir
    @relaxed_borgir 11 месяцев назад

    I'm happy to admit you are the one who taught me how to clean a carburetor, I now own a 2005 yamaha ttr 125 and I have to replace the piston and cylinder, ordered the parts and they should be here in about 2 weeks!

  • @johnsn10
    @johnsn10 11 месяцев назад

    Back with the content I love

  • @normcaissie5598
    @normcaissie5598 9 месяцев назад

    Can't wait to watch you fix these machines. They look awesome. Wish I could afford one.

  • @swapmeetlus4096
    @swapmeetlus4096 11 месяцев назад

    Your enthusiasm and way of being reminds me of the boss I had when I was 18. He thought me everything I know about machining, lathe, milling. I loved the guy and I even got to thinking of him as a second dad. His wife used to come into the shop during hot days and give us gatorades and popsicles, around Christmas she’d take the time to ask every employee what our plans were for the long break. Anyways, you and your wife remind me of my late boss and his wife. Wonderful people with tons to teach young people. If it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t have a trade, if it wasn’t for you I would’ve never been able to restore my 1982 rm!

  • @alanelder3259
    @alanelder3259 11 месяцев назад +10

    I'm in the UK - think you got a good deal - my estimate was $5000. Bluey is a really nice bike , Hard Times will be a good bike too !! Looking forward to the videos on these bikes.

    • @ianallen2
      @ianallen2 11 месяцев назад

      Dont hold your breath though.

    • @jarrodwatson7933
      @jarrodwatson7933 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@ianallen2
      Don't be a sour sob. We all are looking forward to their videos, but you

    • @ianallen2
      @ianallen2 11 месяцев назад

      @@jarrodwatson7933 Dont be an asshole all your life. Take a day off. We all do look forward to his vids, but htey are few and far between now. Was a lot better a few years ago when they were regular.

    • @njmxjunkie3128
      @njmxjunkie3128 11 месяцев назад +1

      5k? Your crazy both are $1200 bikes maybe $1800 running

    • @ianallen2
      @ianallen2 11 месяцев назад

      @@njmxjunkie3128 Exactly. Some people think a non running needs work bike is worth top dollar. But, people with money will pay the greedy and the correct priced goes without selling and people think things are mporeexpensive than they really are. I was thinking $2k max. Where he gets the pit bike as the same value as a full size bike, I have no idea. Must be an IQ issue.

  • @Teraraki
    @Teraraki 11 месяцев назад

    Earliest I've been to any content, I always love when this channel uploads

  • @SMKreitzer1968
    @SMKreitzer1968 11 месяцев назад

    Looking good you two! I'm sure with Camera Girls help you will have them all in top shape in no time!

  • @johnwayne2260
    @johnwayne2260 11 месяцев назад

    This is gonna be a fun adventure watching the progress with these...😁

  • @Alexander_l322
    @Alexander_l322 11 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome. Your videos really make my day. Thank you

  • @naddeer1821
    @naddeer1821 11 месяцев назад +4

    Yes! New repair videos hopefully coming soon!

  • @exploreoutthere6678
    @exploreoutthere6678 11 месяцев назад

    yeah. glad to see you back.

  • @theneuls4922
    @theneuls4922 11 месяцев назад

    I'm excited about the videos on these three 🎉

  • @ericd7532
    @ericd7532 11 месяцев назад

    Cool bikes ,much more interesting than the usual brands. Looking forward to more videos

  • @CoastlineMx
    @CoastlineMx 11 месяцев назад

    Been around motorcycle my entire life my friend. I have worked in bikes in a shop that I own for the last 15 years. You got a really good deal on them bikes. Where I live that blue has gas would have sold for what you paid for all 3 anyway of the week. That's here on the coast of NC . Keep the videos coming I enjoy them !

  • @pisswick1
    @pisswick1 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think you did a great deal. Keep up the fine videos.

  • @EduardoGonzalez-hi8tm
    @EduardoGonzalez-hi8tm 11 месяцев назад

    I would love to see you fix them!!! Good luck!!

  • @tomdunn7147
    @tomdunn7147 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think the black (hard times) one will be worth considerably more once you go through it. The pit bike (pity) I think as is, but with standard parts price is good around $8-900 but with the upgraded parts might be worth a bit more. The blue one, (bluey) I think that is the best looking and worth the most, Greta to see you two again, can't wait to see how these new videos go. Miss you two.

  • @smishsmash100
    @smishsmash100 11 месяцев назад +1

    That blue GAS GAS by far made the deal worth it. Good deal.

  • @bigizzysworld4253
    @bigizzysworld4253 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oh snap! Keep the videos coming!!!

  • @dan123maddy
    @dan123maddy 11 месяцев назад

    more videos please ive given up on you several times now just keep the content coming consistently oh i love the running gas gas but will enjoy the videos on all the bikes if you do them

  • @DowneastTackle
    @DowneastTackle 11 месяцев назад +1

    oh boy cant wait for the builds

  • @Chong1975
    @Chong1975 11 месяцев назад

    Fair deal. More videos to come. Yayyy!

  • @MrBgyfz450
    @MrBgyfz450 11 месяцев назад

    That's about what I was guessing when I first saw them. Good finds.

  • @tonkpils707
    @tonkpils707 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for visiting our city!

  • @Chris-ch5nb
    @Chris-ch5nb 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for another one!

  • @commoncaliforniadude
    @commoncaliforniadude 11 месяцев назад

    Dude! That’s a great price for bikes Nice buy dude!

  • @sfr2629
    @sfr2629 11 месяцев назад +2

    Not bad at all. A two-stroke, street legal dual sport with clean title is a pretty desirable bike. I'd peg the blue Gas Gas at $2.8k-$3.5k, conservatively. Your valuation of the xr50 is spot on. Not taking the DMV fees into account, the black Gas Gas is probably around $800-$1k in its current condition.

  • @kevinwest3709
    @kevinwest3709 11 месяцев назад

    They’re all too new! Thanks for a fun video!

  • @Davojo
    @Davojo 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome to see another video pop up! I think you both made a great deal with these motorcycles, That Honda sounds awesome btw! Hope you are all doing well, can't wait for the video's! Do you still have Sherpa and Trail 125 in the shed?

  • @wurthmannd024
    @wurthmannd024 11 месяцев назад

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSS THE JENNINGS GARAGE HAS STUFF TO WRENCH ON AGAIN! Love you guys. Always great content. Killer deal IMO. those BBR parts are expensive and very sought after. I LOVE my 125cc pitbike. So fun to whip around

  • @jakeclay7115
    @jakeclay7115 11 месяцев назад

    That was a fantastic deal.. that pit pike cleaned up is $13-1500, the KTM 300 AS IS $1200-1500 conservatively all day long.. esp with title!! $18-2400 running… the 280 dual sport 3k all day… my friend you did great! These are realistic prices in my area.. Good luck to you!

  • @RangerRick24
    @RangerRick24 11 месяцев назад

    thanks for posting!!!

  • @zidwid
    @zidwid 11 месяцев назад

    49 year old 200 pound gorilla here, I had a 50 that i put a big bore kit on and street tires. I have turned hundreds of laps at a go kart track on that thing and went through 3 clutches. One of the most fun times I have had on 2 wheels. So much so that I got a little bigger pitbike for the track. You got a pretty descent deal.

  • @zombiewarrior1290
    @zombiewarrior1290 11 месяцев назад

    I missed this thank you guys keep up the hard work we are all here for you also tell camera girl hi for me!!!

  • @cbh148
    @cbh148 11 месяцев назад +2

    8:01 Watch out for those aftermarket gas cap breather check valves. The steel bearing and spring inside will rust and seize in place, blocking air from being able to be drawn into the top of the tank, vacuum locking the fuel from flowing out the bottom and creating a lean condition. I ran one just like that as well as one shaped like a die (1 piece of a pair of dice lol) and nearly locked my YZ125 up on a jump face at an MX track.

  • @tylerburns5640
    @tylerburns5640 11 месяцев назад

    happy to see a jennies garage video pop up on my feed, love your older videos, look forward to many more in the future. Hope you guys can get some sponsors so you can do this full time.

  • @dylanfilmz676
    @dylanfilmz676 11 месяцев назад

    I had a 50 build almost just like that and it was crazy fast for what it was definitely worth it especially now bbr doesn’t make the same type of kits or swing arms anymore 💪💪great finds

  • @ipn4988
    @ipn4988 11 месяцев назад +1

    Finally!!!❤❤❤ i love you guys, cant wait to see the gasgas

  • @geexskill
    @geexskill 11 месяцев назад

    New projects! That's nice. I'm happy! Oil spill/leak's in the next videos!

  • @darinblomquist422
    @darinblomquist422 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good deal, more content will be a good deal for us viewers! Thanks guys

  • @Burritocattt
    @Burritocattt 11 месяцев назад

    Good video as always

  • @user-gn1yu4bh7v
    @user-gn1yu4bh7v 4 месяца назад

    I owned a 03 gas gas ec250 there amazing bike insanely reliable and lots of fun to ride because they make really good power. I think you’ll have fun with the two gas gas bikes.

  • @kenforehand9667
    @kenforehand9667 11 месяцев назад

    It’s only a bad deal if you think it is… I would have done it in a heartbeat! Can’t wait for the videos! And what a tease to have the poor little Kawasaki in the background! Can’t wait for the finished product video!

  • @thomask.8533
    @thomask.8533 11 месяцев назад

    3 bikes? Wow, that will keep you busy for the next 14 years...looking forward to the biannual videos.

  • @thegaminglobster4384
    @thegaminglobster4384 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is a great deal, I’d value Pitts at maybe 500 currently, Hard Times at 850 in current state but Bluey is at least 3000 in the current market ( at least near me!) Fine deal made Jake let’s pray you don’t need much work in Hard Times!

  • @jjhopscotch7646
    @jjhopscotch7646 11 месяцев назад

    This is the only channel that I hit the thumbs up before I watch

  • @octanegarage3729
    @octanegarage3729 11 месяцев назад

    I think you made a good deal. Good video thanks for sharing

  • @SunkistSquirt
    @SunkistSquirt 11 месяцев назад

    I love your videos. BTW...Camera Girl is a Saint. What a great wife to let you live your dreams. Kudos.

  • @bumpyfruck
    @bumpyfruck 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think you did ok on that deal . I was estimating $4500 the way they are , cant wait to see the videos on them ,p.s. when you ride that bbr pitbike ill bet it surprises you lol

  • @separator94
    @separator94 11 месяцев назад

    I think you paid fair market or maybe a little better, but we won't really know until you start working on them.
    Those are 3 great bikes as far as content goes, though. All 3 being interesting and unique. I really like the "hard times" bike and want to see how much you're willing to do to it. It was probably an great bike to begin with, which is why it got so much use.
    I'm looking forward to leaning more about them.
    Happy riding, guys!

  • @dennisbrinck1345
    @dennisbrinck1345 11 месяцев назад

    I'm more into 4-stroke bikes but I think you had a very good deal. Jenny is right, Pit bikes are blast and a lot of fun to ride around on.

  • @Friendroid
    @Friendroid 11 месяцев назад +1

    If you ever decide having merchandise for sale, I guess it'll have to be plain-white shirts : )

  • @nigelstevens3627
    @nigelstevens3627 11 месяцев назад

    your videos are allways fun....

  • @BaldBozo
    @BaldBozo 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another video! Guess im going to be late for work. Love you guys

  • @AlarianDarkwind
    @AlarianDarkwind 11 месяцев назад

    Not sure where others are getting their prices, but I think you got a great deal. Not so 5-8 years ago, but today prices are crazy. Doing several different searches within 1000 miles of my home (central US) the cheapest Crf50 I see (a 2003) is $1100, and several are in the 1200-1500 range, I don't see any 2000-2005 250-300cc bikes for less than $2500, with most being in the 3000-4000 range. Motorcycle prices are insane the last couple years.

  • @rollo192e
    @rollo192e 11 месяцев назад

    I had a 2002 gas gas ec300, had the s3 cylinder, head package , piston, everything, thing was the fastest 300 I’ve ridden and they were so ahead of their time, I put a new yz250f front number plate and fender on it, that and an older 2002 yz250f kicker on mine as it broke as well, it’s hard to get parts for those things! Good luck 👍🏽

  • @bertamusprime618
    @bertamusprime618 11 месяцев назад

    Good deal Brother! Man you own a legit 2 stroke street legal machine that is a 100% win! The pit bike will be sweet for you and your family to play on and "Hard times" when running and moving might help of set the cost of this endeavor a little. Keep up the great work and can't wait to we you and Camera Girl again.

  • @andrewruiz8933
    @andrewruiz8933 11 месяцев назад

    Very cool bikes 🏍👌 the black gas gas looks badass.

  • @sleeka91
    @sleeka91 11 месяцев назад

    also im a huge fan of the gasgas bikes. owned a few and currently run a 2018 ec250 and love it

  • @karlincoblentz5881
    @karlincoblentz5881 11 месяцев назад

    You got a good deal on the bikes. No doubt about it. I am from North Dakota and here you could get 1800 or more for the non running gas gas, 1200 for the pit bike, and closer to 3000 for the blue gas gas. Bike market is over priced up here but they are a good buy.
    Also the milky oil could be from a head gasket too. Either way if you are mechanically inclined both jobs are easy to do as long as you can find parts. Good luck

  • @RockAnAhardSpot
    @RockAnAhardSpot 11 месяцев назад

    I have my fingers crossed for you guys. YIKES! I bet you can do it though. I forget where you guys live now LOL. I mean riding season wise and all that for the return $$.