Long Zun Quan, Southern Dragon Boxing, Ningde prefecture, Fujian
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2013
- Lóng Zūn Quán,
Dragon Respecting Boxing
According to tradition this style was brought south by a Shaolin monk from Kaifeng during the late 1600's. After that it was transmitted within the Southern Shaolin Temple for for a few generations. After the destruction of the Southern Shaolin Temple it was transmitted by the "Iron Bead Monk" to a number of people in a few small villages in Gutian county, Ningde prefecture. Today this style is widely spread in many small villages in both Ningde and Fuzhou prefectures as well as in Xianyou county in Putian prefecture.
With the age of the style and the wide area it is spread across there are now many different schools of Long Zhuang / Long Zun often having very different forms and appearances.
The style it's self has also been mixed with other older methods in many areas forming the basis of many regional arts such as Ningde Long Hu Zhuang "Dragon Tiger Stake" and Long He Zhuang "Dragon Crane Stake" as well as being the core of many unique family and village arts across northern and central Fujian.
This video it's self shows a form of Long Zun which is notably different from the older methods.
Something about the way thid form is performed just hits different. It looks tight yet with room to breath, solid, yet fluid. Definitely keeping an eye on this channel.
I study five Ancestors; this is very good. All Fukien arts share similarity, this one I can relate to.
I studied this form of Dragon style for 15 year's it a rare fujian style it's actually related to the original old Southern White Crane style
May I ask, where did you study this variation and under what instructor?
That makes a lot of sense. Three Battles reminds me a lot of Karate’s Sanchin. I forget what the White Crane form it derives from is called.
That outfit he wears is awesome.
beautiful set, thanks for the post Tea.
The hand movements look like Fujian White Crane.
agreed
I was thinking the same thing.
Great from. Would love to see their bunkai too 😍
wow that looks fantastic
Fantastic
Great video..I see some similarities to uechi ryu, most notably some techniques in the form sanseiryu
I've been wanting to find the Long Zun Quan 36 hands form to compare it to Uechi's Sanseiryu.
***** If you find anymore Long Zun Quan videos, please share them. I love this style. Thank you for taking the time upload all that you have.
Very nice
If anyone wants to know about the other Southern Dragon boxing style of the Hakka people created on the Daoist mountains, let me know. My Si gung is from the Source, 1 of Chow Fooks Best disciples.
I see some similarities to white crane I enjoy this this is pretty good
This reminds me a bit of Hung Ga(though opening salute is Choy Li Fut)..but looks a good bit different than the Southern Dragon(Lung Ying Kuen) style I study founded by the late monk Dai Yuk and his student Lam Yiu Gwai in the temple of emptiness.
The various dragon styles practiced in Fujian have no relation to Lam Yiu Gwai's Lung Ying style, or to Hung Gar for that matter.
The Long zun / Long Zhuang style originated in Ningde and various offshoots spread as far as Quanzhou. As far as relations it's closest to some of the more prominent Luohan schools of the Mindong region.
The uniform looks great as do the movements,
But could anyone tell me what the studded leather cuffs and belt are for?
Do they serve a purpose or is it purely ceremonial?
Is this the same as the Hakka Southern Dragon style, or is it just a similar or related style?
Highly stylized which isn't necessarily a bad thing. All depends on how the hand morphs/adapts in response to real world application.
Not stylized just for looks their a perfect movement for grip tearing an dismembering
May I ask what are the some of the practical applications of Southern Dragon style? I only did Eagle Claw, Shaolin and learned a bit of Northern Dragon-Style(I also feel that they were perhaps McDojos since they did belt systems... which I don't think most real schools of those styles do). Most of my fighting techniques comes from applying what little useful skills I learned from those three bases and mixing them with my Boxing and Muay Thai training I've received from various gyms I've trained while in Austin and Cedar Park. I've been yearning to learn a more traditional style to help balance things out and Southern Dragon seems right up my alley. Thank you if you respond to this.
+Seki Banki
It's like any traditional Chinese style or any traditional style meant for combat or self defense from any country for that matter, it has all the various standard Ti, Da, Shuai, Na, and Dian methods. It is pretty similar to other local Fuzhou or Ningde styles.
As far as Southern Dragon style, there isn't one, there are tons of dragon styles from all over China that generally have no relation to each other. When most people talk about "Southern Dragon" they are talking about Lung Ying Kuen from Guangdong as that is the most popular and well known style from the south that uses the word dragon in it's name. This one is an unrelated style from northern Fujian. Long Zun / Long Zhuang is widely spread across northern and central Fujian. The different lineages in different villages are often very different from each other. I have at least two other Long Zun videos showing clips of different lineages.
But in general you probably aren't going to be able to learn this line of Long Zhuang unless you go to rural Ningde prefecture. You are going to have trouble finding any line of Long Zun / Long Zhuang anywhere outside China for that matter, although I've heard there were some lines somewhere in Malaysia and Indonesia among the local Chinese communities. No idea where though or if they are still around.
Probably doesn't help much.
+Seki Banki also if you want a more access able style that is of the same family(Bak mei, wing chun, southern white crane, souther mantis[toph from avatars style]. all the styles utilize hands presented forward like a fence) and sometime more accessible than their chinese counter parts is okinwan styles like uechi ryu and even a decent Goju ryu place. they life chinese weights and have similar forms and application since they were brought to okinawa from that same province all of these chinese style, including the one in the video are from(when it was still a separate nation from japan and was under imperial chinas protection)
@@TeaSerpent where can i learn traditional southern dragon style? recommend any schools?
@@cristianluna5568 Learn by yourself from RUclips videos, starting with
16 Movements （16 Doong，16動）, &
Dragon Style Touch Bridge (Loong Ying Mor Kiu 龍形摩橋）。
Just copy the Chinese characters & paste onto RUclips & you'll get the demonstrations.
@@cristianluna5568 -it depends on where you live. There is Yip wing Hong in NYC, Sifu Peter Pena in Arizona, Sifu Zhuong Luo in California and Sifu Andrew Chung in Florida..but theres not a lot of people across the USA who teach it.
Good medicine right there
Why sanzhan Tao lu is a common set for dragón, white crane, 5 ancestora and dog boxing schools?
They're all styles commonly practiced in Fujian province, so they share a lot of similarities. Some are even directly related, White Crane is part of the Five Ancestors style. I've heard that many Hakkanese and Fujianese styles might have originated from a style called Taizuquan, so that, along with the geographic proximity, may explain technical similarities.
@@micahthecomfortablehuman1324 Thanks for your answer!!!. As a karate and Wushu practicer always i had this doubt.
Very nice flowing southern system , is this version of Dragon Kung Fu linked to nun ng mui? You can defiantly see lots of similar concept in all the southern systems, thanks for uploading
+Matthew Orella
No Long Zun Quan is said to have come from the "Iron Bead Monk". He is part of an older folk version of the five ancestors mythology found in Fujian.
The popular five ancestors mythology in general and the character of Wu Mei in particular only date to the 1890's and come from popular Wuxia novels.
Wu Mei was also originally considered a traitor to Shaolin and was depicted in the original source novel as a rather selfish scheming villain who betrayed the Shaolin temple for money and power and murdered the only child of her disciple to help the Qing troops kill the monks and destroy the temple.
There are many styles that now claim lineage from Wu Mei. However if you look into the background of those systems you quickly find that there is virtually always evidence of earlier lineage myths, and in the case of the various "Wu Mei Quan" styles, earlier names.
The styles that now claim lineage to Wu Mei began claiming lineage to her in the mid Republican period or later after she had begun to be portrayed in the role of a hero in Wuxia novels and movies instead of her earlier role as a villain.
Anyways Long Zun Quan / Long Zhuang is a very old style spread over a wide area of northern and central Fujian.
Because of it's age and distribution in small villages across such a wide area also shows a large amount of variation between lineages across Fujian.
As mentioned before it claims lineage to the "Iron Bead Monk" of what I call the Iron Five Ancestors (they all are named Iron + some object + Monk).
These five ancestors are said to have come from the Shaolin temple in Henan which in this version of the myth was burned by the Qing. The monks then hid in various temples around Fujian. In this version of the five ancestors there is usually no mention of there being a Shaolin temple in Fujian. This seems to have been a feature of the earlier five ancestors myths with the myth of the Shaolin temple in Fujian only appearing in later versions.
Of the Iron Five Ancestors, Iron Bead Monk is by far the best known and is credited with founding many of the older styles around Fujian and there are many sites and stories associated with him. The others are only mentioned rarely and some of them seem to have no extant independent myths of their own outside of the general background narrative.
Thank you so much for taking the time to give a very detailed insight into some of the history of this style and the myths and legends linked to it as well, so the links to ng mui or wu mui are linked a popular novel very interesting, I did wounder if there was any truth to the idea that it was a revolutionary uprising by either a code name or a fragmented system that had many branches, during the 1800 with the increasing threat to China mainland by the European countries, during the opium wars, so do you know who the author of wuxia novels?
+Matthew Orella
The novel is called 聖朝鼎盛萬年青 Sheng Chao Ding sheng Wan Nian Qing. It was published in the 1890's, I believe the author is unknown. Of course dozens of novels, plays, and movies followed it.
It was loosely based on local folklore but invented most of the popular characters including the set of five ancestors which are known by most today.
The origins of the Southern Shaolin folklore come from the "Xilu" mythology of the Tian Di Hui. In the oldest versions of the Xilu myth the Shaolin temple that is burned is located in Gansu rather than Fujian.
The five ancestors in Tian Di Hui / Hong Men mythology are completely different than those found in Wan Nian Qing and later Wuxia fiction and martial lineage myths.
Furthermore there were actually six of them in the original myth, the abbot not being counted as one of the five monks.
The Tian Di Hui / Hong Men also has multiple sets of "Five Ancestors" usually two or three. The first set are the Shaolin monks of the Xilu myth and then various sets of five founders of the Tian Di Hui / Hong Men in various periods.
Reminds me of a Karate kata
Could I find the footage above on dvd?
I think they were on vcd in China years ago. But I have no idea where you could find it now.
Similarities to Hung Gar?
I suppose that's a matter of opinion. However if you are looking for styles that are directly related to Hung Gar or Guangdong martial arts in general than it is geographically the wrong place to look in Fujian.
I'm just publicly posting a bunch of videos I already had descriptions and everything written up for.
I'll be putting up some stuff from Fujian that is more likely directly related to Hung Gar some time soon.
A lot of Uechi ryu here
Hi friend! Do you know where this school is?
This guy is supposed to be in Ningde prefecture. But aside from that I have no idea. I've wondered about that myself as his stuff is quite different from the older lines of Long Zhuang normally practiced in Ningde.
If I had to guess I would say that maybe far southeastern Ningde seems likely based on how his boxing looks but for some reason I think I might have heard of him being from western Ningde? Really I have no idea though.
this video could do without the music,
Hi, I don't know if you can help me or not, but I saw a style in an old movie which I think is supposed to be a form of Dragon Kung Fu. If you could check out the movie on RUclips to see if you can identify it for me, I'd be most grateful. The movie is called 'Wu Tang Collection - Snake & Crane Secret (ENGLISH Subtitled)' and the scene that best displays it be found at 50:15. Thanks if you can help, I've always thought whatever it was supposed to be looked interesting.
What's being shown in that scene isn't any traditional style. It's just something made up for the movie. Once in a while you'll find someone doing a traditional form in a kungfu movie, but very rarely.
Real traditional forms were more commonly seen in old black and white movies from the 1st half of the 20th century. But by the late 50's it had become uncommon to see any traditional forms in movies. By that time they had basically developed the kungfu movie aesthetic and they created highly dramatised movie style forms for those movies. You still see traditional forms occasionally in movies from that period, most commonly in the opening credits. But even then most of the stuff you see in openings for those movies is still stuff created for the movie.
So no it's not any particular style, it's just movie kungfu.
@@TeaSerpent Ah, that's a shame. Always though this scene was cool with the dragon/eagle claw hand/finger position along with the grabbing, joint dislocation and striking. The guy doing it in his official robe made it look really impressive and formidable. lol.
tai tai hao wu te shi qwan cha dian hai lu jing kung liang ih qwan dui li hai zhi she shie de lung je san goa wu yin zhon tai ih schui hai chin shie shie hen tai nah tao she nah dui tai te jia ben ren te hua huang ah hai hua
tai hai cang zhe zai zhai ran de pang nah dui tai hai ning de cha chao fu jing dian lu fu hai skho
oh chie riu san bao schie ming xia tou de hai chan si kong cha chie ah hai zhe fu nah ma bi wo de xiao bai hu ah han bao si chun nao zuo she yen lao ong zhai te hai she
I don't get why it's called boxing, as it has no cultural ties to western boxing. Should just be called southern dragon fist imo.
That's not what "boxing" means in the context of Chinese boxing. Chinese boxing means kung fu.