Dog Boxing and applications, Yixiang lineage, Fuzhou
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2022
- Gie Huang Kieng Huat (Yixiang Quan Fa) "Yi Xiang's Dog Methods".
This video is from the school of Chen Jinlong. Chen began training under master Yi Xiang at the age of 9 and later went on to study another line of dog boxing under Chen Yijiu as well as learning Calling Crane Boxing from Wu Fuguan.
Chen Jinlong then went on to form the Jiu Xiang school which taught the dog boxing forms and methods of both Yi Xiang and Chen Yijiu.
He also did extensive historical research regarding the origins and history of dog boxing (unfortunately his articles are no longer up, but when he had them online they contained a wealth of historical research and detail unrivalled by anything I have seen elsewhere on the origins of dog boxing.)
As the lineage of Chen Yijiu has become the dominant system of dog boxing in not just Fuzhou but the world in general, he has in the last few years concentrated his efforts on the Yixiang Boxing Society in hopes of preserving the pure teachings of master Yixiang.
Master Yi Xiang was born in Yongtai county in Fuzhou. At a young age he began to study Dishu Quanfa (Ground Skills Dog Method) boxing from a monk of the Guang Yan temple. Later he became known in Fuzhou for his dog boxing skills and passed his art on to a number of skilled disciples including Zheng Zhenguang, Chen Fuluan, Chen Jiangyun, and Chen Jinglong.
The Guang Yan temple is located atop a ledge in a naturally hollowed cliff face in the mountains in Yongtai. A few different martial art lineages claim to have been passed from monks there including dog boxing and luohan systems.
The Yixiang line equally trains uppers, middle, and lower basin skills. It contains 108 core techniques, 36 fundamental drills, and various forms such as 7 stars fall to earth, 3 lions, and 18 rolls.
Additionally it contains Kunbang Gunfa "Binding Staff Methods" Dog Staff fighting methods.
There are at least three styles of Dog Boxing in Fujian*
Of the three schools two of them claim lineage to the Fang Guang Cliff Temple in Yongtai county. According to their oral mythology the style was brought to the temple sometime around the turn of the 19th century by a man with the family name of Fang. The style was then practiced in the temple for a couple generations with the various lines coming from the teachings of monks in the temple.
There are variations in the details of the oral traditions between the two lines but the above basic outline is shared between them.
Among the lines of dog boxing the Yixiang line is often considered to be the purest line of old Dog Boxing. Both the Chen Yijiu and the Zhuang family lines having absorbed techniques from various other styles.
*plus one that is probably extinct now and another style which has dog boxing as a distinct subsystem within it.
Many schools in Fujian and across China have ground boxing methods or dedicated ground boxing forms. "Dog Boxing" is not synonymous with ground fighting in China. It is simply one of the ground boxing styles that are better preserved in some lines and more famous today.
Here is a link to some 1865 photographs of the temple of origin for this and another line of dog boxing as well as one of the main systems of Luohan boxing in Fuzhou.
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Actually pretty awesome to see how this parallels with modern jiujitsu leg lock entries... but with kicks haha. Really appreciate them keeping this art alive!
Exactly. They probably were just that to being with!
Many Kung Fu techniques are just grappling but people take them for other stuff as forms usually get mangled from generation to generation. Look at what happened to Karate: most of their "block" and weird strikes are just weapon techniques that they made the newcomers do without weapons so they could get them down.
Those aren't kicks. These are all grappling movements. Moat Kung fu is grappling based. Modern Kung fu after influenced by the ccp tried to make it seem like old fighting arts were all striking based. Most of them are grappling based. Like baji for instance. You see a huge difference between modern mainland baji to hui Muslim and Singaporean baji. I'd argue the hui Muslim do it best. In a lot of ways there's a lot of what's practiced the exact same way they train in baji. There are parts of this man's Dao lu that are almost exactly the same in baji but in this style the hips are lower to the ground. I've seen these movements in the baji xioa Jia form, Dan da, and black tiger form. If you want to see baji performed by an old master of the highest level I would suggest master Shen Jia Rui and the various meng cun baji practitioners.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 you're completely wrong here. Blocks in karate are just thay blocks. But where they differ from other styles is karate always trys to out tough everyone. So when they block instead of seeing as a block it's a strike. If you want to see how those blocking strikes are used in matches I'd suggest Watchung early ryu narushima or kenji midori both of the kyokushin kaikan. They use their blocks while infighting to great advantage. They're both 150 pound men that won open weight karate tournaments with their technique and speed.
This I feel is the best dog boxing demo that I've seen on you tube. Get the best BreakDancers or gymnast, teach them thei iron leg skill and techniques of dog boxing. They should become devastating fighters.
Looks a lot like Silat, especially especially the ground attacks since I learnt Silat open-circle from someone for a month, I can notice somewhat similarities between the two.
Dog boxing is one of the major styles used to fight the various cat styles of kung fu.
Thank you for the lol :)
After 15 years of Japanese Budo (JuJitsu, Ninpo, Aikedo, Karate) and some Wing Chun to fill in the gaps, I tried a few classes of Dog Boxing and found the floor spinning technique to be a very worthy addition. I didn't like the heavy focus on physical conditioning, not because I didn't enjoy it but because in old age it would render the style irrelevant. It's a great style to practise while young and fit and would love to see it versus BJJ!
Its nice to See you back posting videos ! Great stuff on your channel. Thanks for your work.
This is amazing. Such a rare Style, I would love to learn this.
Awesome! Excellent applications expertly demonstrated. We learned something today, we look forward to more.
Thank you for sharing.
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Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
wow, really great stuff there! Awesome. Very nice to see you posting a video again, too :)
Finally u are back
Dude, thank you! I always wondered about the applications for this!
Great Stuff.Thank you 🙏
Thank you for this. The ground fighting is also similar to some styles of Silat. I remember reading about a sifu advising caution when executing standing throws against opponents in case they be "Dog Boxers". His admonition was they would retain their grip, drag you to the ground with them, and fight you there.
I believe this may be in the classic, "Chinese Boxing, Masters and Methods" by the late Robert W Smith. If that is incorrect then my apologies. I read it in the late 70's or early 80's.
Fantastic. Thanks for posting.
🦇😎Excellent !Excellent ! Very unique form and impressive Fighting applications! Thankyou Dog Fist Masters for sharing your skills !👍🍵🍵
Might want to double check the "dog boxing" translation. 拳法 literally means "boxing/fist method" and it or just 拳(Quan) are often appended to names of Chinese martial arts (eg Yi Xiang 义香
That makes a lot of sense when used all together and matches with other style's names, thank you
@@danielfang749 I just did a little further research, I'm not too familiar with all the Shaolin forms so I had missed something. Dog boxing refers to 狗拳 (gou quan, dog boxing/fist), also known as 地术拳 (di shu quan, ground skills boxing). Always something new to learn about!
pretty awesome style
Very unique fighting style... Thanks for documenting... Regards...!! 🤗🙏🙏🌼
actually if you change a little bit the traing methods like presure testing and so on, this could be really great for combat sports
Would have been much nicer if I could have got this guy on my channel instead
yeah he's done hands down the best research I've seen on dog boxing.
Plus he studied under the modern founders of both major dog boxing styles in Fuzhou.
I might post another video of him and his students doing forms from their style.
It's a cool looking style, pretty unique.
Funny Will. lol
@@TeaSerpent please do🙏
@@TeaSerpent yea please show more
I posted a forms demo this group did in Yongtai earlier this morning.
i like to see dog boxing vs bjj in the future.
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Thanks for the demonstration
Much Respect
This style and the techniques shown here would make BJJ that much meaner when combining the two! All those sneaky takedowns could easily transition into knee bars, heel hooks, ankle locks and plenty of other fun and brutal moves 😎
What is the name of this Taolu at the beginning of the video?
Iam searching for some footage using this techniques in sparring....is there any sparring footage?
This almost feels like BJJ but the submissions look so unusual and it feels like it was meant to be mixed with strikes
These subs are common in BJJ and their(the dog boxers) set up here is likely not going to work as they don't seem to bother with actually controlling their opponent's upper and lower body before executing the sub.
This actually seems more suited for a battlefield melee than a one on one duel. Imagine carrying a sword and shield surrounded by enemies and you are forced to the ground and have to crouch down low aiming for their unarmoured legs to wreak havoc on their formation.
@@johnlloyddy7016 This isn't at all suited for "battlefield melee", especially when the historical weapon of choice were pole arms...let alone being forced to the ground in such situations the optimal choice for surviving would be to immediately shield yourself while getting back on your feet as soon as possible.
@@thecollector6746 So I guess if I practice something like Dog Boxing, it would probably also best if I also learn BJJ as well, same way I practice Arnis but I have HEMA as reference and perspective for what I'm doing.
@@kalivr1908 Or you could just focus on BJJ and not waste your time with this nonsense.
doggie style is my favorite position
Respect👍
Like a pioneer of ground fighting
Excellent form, great techniques. Looks similar to Shaolin, very acrobatic.
I think a good breakdancer would really excel in this style when it comes to applications.
In the 70s, the black youngsters were watching Hong Kong Kung Fu Movies and imitate the Acromatic Kung Fu Moves, which influenced the Breaking Dancing Moves.
gou quan excelent applications.
Wow, that is impressive flexibility and leg strength.....something you would need to start from a young age!
I've seen these same movements in Meng Cuns baji. Based on that I'd say this is a primarily grappling art
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Thank you so much for posting this, I have a Dog Boxing class in my area and I'm thinking about attending. I'm pretty inflexible, hahah, but I guess they'd sort that out.
Very cool 😍💪🏻
This is so nice this Man must be as hard as the floor itself looking at his form
Awesome
My German Shepherd fights just like this too.
Is this the same as Dishuquan?
Yeah kind of, different lines use different names.
But Di Shu Quan "Ground Skills Boxing" is kind of a generic name for ground boxing methods.
Dog Boxing schools sometimes use the name Di Shu Quan Fa. But in that case the character for Quan is one meaning "Canine" or "Dog" rather than the one meaning "Fist" or "Boxing". So it would mean "Ground Skill Canine Methods".
I have never heard if this martial arts style before. It looks interesting though.
Another name for it is Ground Thumbling Kungfu. - Di-Tan Quan. In Wushu Performance, they jump up and land onto the floor flat and then do spinning moves to rotate up.
wow good techniques
Reminds me of tiger from ditang system
Dog boxing would be so good combined with BJJ for an MMA context, it would give a real edge in ground combat.
It would be a complete waste of time if you already training BJJ in any context. Their set ups and subs here are garbage. No control of either the upper or lower body. No one is just going to stand there and let you leg lock them after you just kicked their legs like that.
@@thecollector6746 ah yes another tedious snob of the four pillars, giving expert advice on a martial art they haven't even practiced in conjunction to their all so celebrated mma constituent. Yes once a good bjj practitioner HAS their upper or lower body, but this art seems to deal with the transition zone between striking and grappling, it gives seemingly unused or overlooked tools in the transition, the transition can often be short lived yes but this art adds highly mobile strikes within that precarious zone which could amplify either an escape from being grappled or a set up, of course in a bjj only context this is mostly useless, but in an mma context I think there is use here, either or people like you are the fedora atheists of martial arts and your dogmatic short sightedness as you attempt to emulate some hard line martial arts influencer crushing the 'useless tma' is just plain dumb. Theres a guy called 'inside fighting' on youtube, he trains BJJ and mauy thai, he has also trained many TMA's that four pillars snobs like to dump on, I suggest you watch his videos to add perspective, or stay in your tower whatever.
Add a little capoeira and some BJJ...nasty. You aren't expecting to defend against an attack from the ground especially since they aren't telegraphing it by shooting in.
awesome！狗拳！
Excellent ground work！👍😄
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At least, interesting idea.
Woof,Woof!
Amigo com todo respeito isso só deve servir pra exibição mesmo. Não vejo isso sendo usado por exemplo numa luta de mma ou num combate de rua.
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Uussshhh
Bo'ri kunfusini urgating
Omg. I thought this was going to be a joke, but this would really help grappling or MMA.
this is real gong fu
This’s the problem with kung-fu and Karate katas applications that the other guy is just waiting for you to do all those nice moves and not wanting to hurt you. All those ppl clapping think that this works. However, I shall give them points for even practicing the actual application of the kata.
Messy and blocky,just do MMA.
Bullshido boxing