@I_amPeter Cell should realistically have more potential than Frieza and as the Cell Jr's are essentially clones than it's should be safe to assume that they should have similar potential so when you combine that with 6 training partners who have the same potential than just 1 year alone would put them around Jiren's strength (above or below idk) so if the Cell Jr's had kept themselves hidden until the T.o.P and had trained all those years than not even Black Frieza would be able to defeat 1 of them which is probably why this didn't happen in the manga and they were permanently stuck as kids both mentally and physically with no desire to train. (Though it should be noted that the Cell Jr's probably did get Zenkai boosts from almost dying against Gohan and had been helping #17 protect the island and if #17 was able to get stronger by fighting poachers than it's possible that the Cell Jr's did too)
The only way the Cell Jr's can work is if they regenerated after the Cell games, just completely miraculously were never sensed by anyone, never caused any problems and just wandered the earth somewhere until they met 17.
I do want the Juniors to be more fleshed out. Seeing how badly they wanted to keep Goten and Trunks as kids for such a long time for their wacky and silliness, they could do the same thing with the Cell Juniors as you can easily say they don't grow while still being silly yet strong.
The Cell Juniors have Frieza's cells. So it possible they could of survived the earth blowing up and just kinda stagnated in space til the earth returned. Also, King Piccolo created a lot of mutated Namekians before he created the Piccolo we know today just before he died. So it is possible these Cell Juniors were never meant to grow up, and were kind of just worker ants designed with one purpose in mind. Fighting.
They would have had to have survived the blast itself. Definitely possible if they sensed it coming and all banded together to create a shield or something. But it's still something to consider.
If a beaten up Freeza havin only half of his body could survive Namek explosion, i don't see why a more powerful Cell Jr with Freeza's cells can't just survive Earth (a smaller planet) explosion just by existing.
@@LamunesADV I mean Freeza saga's Freeza implied anyone at his power level (or higher) could survive a planet blowing up. It would be more of a matter of surviving being in space that would be the issue, with Freeza himself being able to breath in space (or just hold his breath until he reached a ship or planet). So you are right.
That would've been the better route instead of a brainless Cell Max, even if the scientists in DBS Super Hero buffed the shit out of the Jr.. Heck they could've given the Cell Jr intelligence if they don't develop it on their own which I can't see why they couldn't with enough time on earth
@@QaamansLand It's Dragon Ball, just about anything except Vegeta getting a big Win can happen 😢 So the idea of a Cell Jr developing intelligence after some time alive doesn't seem far fetched
I assume No. 17 tamed the Cell juniors for two reasons: First he and no. 18 are like a long distance parents because they were embodied with Cell when Cell created them. Second, Cell works like an insect: he involves like caterpillar, bee etc eats like a ladybug in first stage. So it works like queen of the bees to them. When he gets exterminated , they would be loyalty to a new queen ( Lapis to this case)
The Cell Jrs were created to serve Cell, without him they lost their purpose and did nothing, it is very likely that they hid their power during those years fearing Gohan. They definitely survived Super Buu's genocide attack, either by dodging it as Tien and Chiaotzu did or Super Buu not detecting them. If Frieza missing most of his body survived Namek's explosion the Cell Jrs also did, specially considering that they were much stronger than him. Why they didn't grow up? As we saw with Cell, he was able to revert to his larva state to fit into the time machine, it means that he can control his body's maturity at will and so do the Cell Jrs, they didn't grow up because they didn't will themselves to do it, it is very likely that 17 ordered them to remain like that.
Been playing a lotta of Dokkan, Legends and Xenoverse and the Cell Jrs. are basically just Saibamen just with kamahamas. Kinda easy to forget they’re are just as strong as Prefect Cell when in most games kinda forget.
I think you're right about Cell wanting to keep them around as underlings. I mean, he didn't give them the prolapse thing he used to drink and eat people, so they were doomed to be short kings and never evolve the way Cell did... poor little critters
@@QaamansLand lol big facts think of all the great ideas and routes they could’ve went and decided not to 😂 cell jrs making a comeback is too cool of an idea for toyotaro and toriyama minds.
Could they be different cell JRs? Or maybe it took them years to regenerate back to their full forms? Why are they called "pseudo"? So many questions but I don't think we're seeing them again but what if 17 managed to tame them because he had cell's dna (when he was perfect) so they sort of recognize him or feel closure to him since 17 was inside cell? it's kind of hard to elaborate but I hope you get the concept I'm trying to explain
Maybe by pseudo he means they don't have the same potential with Cell. Cell went ssj2 in a fight. These had too many years and just rival Goten and Trunks 's strength.
@@grgamer8470 this is probably the best explanation since they clearly don't grow the same way Cell does, otherwise they'd be Perfect Cell's size by now, and they're not big enough to absorb anything that warrants a transformation
This technique was most likely developed from the cells of saibaman and aren’t meant to have personalities outside of being childish. They’re not technically evil cause they don’t set out to do evil things deliberately. you could also argue that since they have some of Goku‘s cells that they are technically pure of heart since in video games perfect cell can use the spirit bomb, but of course this is just all head canon.
If the pseudo Cell Juniors were just as strong as the the originals, then how how is that 17 was able to tame them at all when he couldn’t even stand up to Imperfect Cell?! There needs to be a further explanation for this.
@@QaamansLand then the question becomes assuming 17 didn't already become stronger prior to meeting the Cell Jrs, why didn't they kill 17 when they came across him since he would've been weaker than them at the time of their meeting?
@@acecashman1237 that is assuming 17 met them as soon as he got revived also wont be suprise if the cell jr stayed low since they got 1 shoted and there dad died
The idea of a couple of Cell Jr's surviving and then eventually fuse to get revenge against Gohan for their father would have been an awesome idea. Way better than whatever they did with Cell Max.
It’s possible they did die both of those times, and they got a zenkai boost each time from their saiyan cells, this would explain why they are stronger and better training partners for 17
Yoi all forget that them fighting Goten and trunks mean nothing in power scaling. Those two are both super Saiyan 1, and not even as strong as ss1 at the beginning of cell arc.
@@calebfoster2520 base trunks and goten are easily stronger than namek Freeza as proven in Yo Son Goku, based on that alone they are infact stronger than ssj1 at the beginning of the cell arc. So I would say at the time of this chapter trunks and goten are similar to ssj1 gohan during or after the time chamber
if the cell juniors are still children according to alot of scriptures the young isn't considered good or evil up until a certain age, so if their young enough their actions would fall on the father of them.
I always felt that they should have been the actual 7 Cell Jr's. and since they are not as strong as their parent and their abilities are not as potent, it took longer for them to regenerate. So slow, that folks didn't even notice at all, and were able to regenerate after everyone left. But because their parent, Cell, was gone, they basically kind of wander and do their down thing. With no one to direct the Cell Jr's, they basically just live their own lives until they come across 17. I don't know if they explain it or not, but what does it really mean when he says they are "pseudo" Cell Jr's. There are all 7 of them and all of them have the same strength as before and look exactly the same. So if they are pseudo, why? What makes them that way? Some bizarre clones created through magic or science? If so, when, and why?
Where did Toriyama admit it was a mistake with Cell's core cluster? The line says that if that cluster survives, he can regenerate from it, that doesn't exclude him being able to regenerate if it is destroyed as long as he has a large amount of body matter left. Two methods of regeneration, one from having enough body matter to do it, the other from his core
Cell Jr's have the ability to get zenkai boosts just like Cell Sr. If they were training with 17, especially roughly considering they regenerate, then it makes sense that they would be that strong. Also explains 17's strength. If he keeps getting stronger to keep up, then their mutual growth is only natural.
I think wishes that say "dont bring back any evil people" only apply to people that have literally no redeeming qualities. Robbers might be doing the wrong thing but their purpose could be noble, or they could be having thoughts of turning their life around. I think the "no evil people" part of the wish only would apply to people who are truly evil and unredeemable and not just people who would go to hell if they died.
Just another reason why the Manga is more important than the anime, who wouldn’t want to see these little buggers back in action with #17, Goten & Trunks
Here's an idea. What if the Cell Jr's that Gohan killed wasn't the first batch? What if, during that waiting period before the tournament, he practiced this move... And these 7 were ones Cell considered failures? Would make sense why they'd be tamable. (Other than, they are kids, highly impressionable)
Dude I remember talking to my friend when I was a little kid that the little Cell Jrs would regenerate. I even made a bet that a grown up Cell Jr was going to show up during the Buu saga… I lost that bet. I thought the Cell Jrs would become a self contained mini Piccolo character arc. That only one of the Cell Jrs would survive and would show up fully grown, looking like a exact clone of Perfect Cell but blue during the Buu saga.
I really hope Dr Hedo creates two powerful Androids in the current manga arc who end up becoming the villains of the current arc and then when Goten and Trunks fight the villains and fight them equally at first, the villains end up absorbing both of Ssj Goten’s and Ssj Trunks’s energy and start to beat up Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks and then steal back Dr Gero’s disc for Dr Hedo. And then after Goten and Trunks realize the villains are way stronger than before, Goten and Trunks decide to get the Cell Jrs involved to help them against the villains along with Goten and Trunks also deciding to train seriously in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a month or two to prepare for the final battle of the arc and also asking the Cell Jrs to buy them time against the villains while Goten and Trunks train seriously in the ROSAT for a bit. Also if the Cell Jrs get involved, it would be cool if Goten and Trunks also asked Android 17 to come mentor and train them in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as well as Android 17’s family members agreeing to look after Monster Island while 17 is gone for a bit to mentor and train Goten and Trunks for a month or two in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Wouldn't the Cell Juniors have survived Kid Buu blowing up the planet? They can breathe in space and regenerate. The main blast damage from Buu's attack would have been in that canyon area where Goku and Vegeta were, not wherever the Cell Jr. were...
Kid buus explosion was easily powerful enough to destroy every single cell in their body at that point and perhaps they’re regeneration is not as potent.
ya buus planet busting attack had massive amounts of energy to blow it up 10 times i think or something. goku or vegeta said when he power'd up. so deff would have vaporized every last molecule in their bodies. even with freeza durability then cell juniors arent that powerful and probably still same in power as in cell saga. then ya super buu just ended everybody before with the extinct attack too. this was a brutal saga. no one on earth survived bro. lol. except goku and vegeta and satan...
5:26 both of those can easily be survived, the Cell Juniors can regenerate like Cell, so that first attack would've just pierced them and not killed them, the kid Buu blowing up the planet can also be easily survived because if they're anything like Cell, they would have Frieza's genetics which would allow them to survive in space after a planetary explosion, the only way they wouldn't have survived was if they were directly in the way of the blast, but just the planet exploding wouldn't be capable of taking them out.
Or because there basically sibermen cell has cell's of them so that's how he's able to spawn them. They will never grew and that's also why they can be tamed
My headcanon about the whole Parunga "except for all the bad ones" wish is simply that Parunga ignored that part. What you not only want him to bring back it up entire freaking planet, and every last living thing on it, but also having him do a judgment call on every single solitary living thing? That might be beyond him.
I like to think by the time Buu saga happened, Cell Jr. already met and was tamed by 17. Thats why they were wished back from the Dragon Balls after Buu destroyed the Earth. By then, they already changed to be good guys. To add a plus, they never really killed any innocents, they just beat them up. Although, one of them ALMOST killed someone. So Cell Jr. is innocent, while their dad, Cell, has already killed many innocents. Similar logic with King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.
I do like the Cell Jrs surviving, makes 17 getting so strong more believable if he was training against Cell Jrs as opposed to just regular poachers. Could also say the Cell Jrs were getting way stronger as well and were strong enough to give 17 enough of a challenge to get stronger and were just holding back against Goten and Trunks at first because they thought they were just regular poachers.
To the point about them being children forever, not that logic necessarily sticks in Dragon ball.. but the logic is in fact already there, and what I mean by this, is that the cell Juniors fused into an adult cell junior. That shows their DNA has the capacity to reach an adult form.
@@QaamansLand He watchers another dragon ball RUclipsr named unrealgaming and he had a manga where the cell juniors fused and fought gotenks. NOT CANON. But it would be nice if the cell juniors permanently fused into one being with a personality and potential.
That whole really really bad ones makes it sound like genocidal dictators or people who are just wanten murderers. People that are stealing to survive would likely get a pass. Also with how many years passed between the wish to bring back the people who weren't really really bad there's a chance that people who weren't really really bad got worse over time. As for the cell juniors if they have Cell's cells then chances are they were getting stronger as well. You know the whole saying zenkai bit. so once 17 Eclipse them to the point where all seven of them were no match as far as sparring goes the whole regenerating and being brought back to life by the dragon balls when the planet was destroyed and brought back it would make sense that they would go up to Super perfect cell status and Beyond.
@@QaamansLand I know it must be hard to keep making all this quality content. Thanks not just for the entertainment that your videos give but for actually responding to the comments so that we know we're not just shouting at the wind.
Here's my theory aka crazy idea. Cell Jrs only exist so the fan base will shut up. Plus, Akira and other DB manga writers low-key hate Cell. Cell Max's backstory is just Akira Toriyama's reliving his PTSD.
Another reason how they survived the majin buu planet explosion is probably because, They can also regenerate just like cell did after goku sent him to king Kai planet and the planet exploded there must’ve been still something left for them to regenerate
It's a side chapter. It's not properly released with viz. As of today I believe there are 3. 1 with the history of trunks 2. Explains why Trunks and Mai left after seeing Gohan in the present 3. This one during the tournament of power.
Random thought but instead of cell max what if they abducted the cell jrs and idk made them combine somehow or amp them up. Very weak thought but something with the cell jrs woulda been dope. Edit: and maybe after the movie they turn good realizing RR was using them and they join bulma like the pilaf gang
Im not upset about this, i always thought it was odd cell jr's wouldn't be able to regenerate like cell. Thenlogic could be he spawned them to be lacking the ability as they could try to over take him. I hope these little dudes arnt just swept under the rug and could be a good allie to the rest.
Considering where we are in Super and Seeing Hedo. He could find them and use them. Seeing how we saw a baby cell in his files through teen trunks. They could be teenagers at this point, too. Still can be used. Just on the matter of when. I'm sure they are remembered. The manga(Super) DID use them again before, so.
I 100% agree that the story would have been more interesting if they pulled a Super 17 and made a Cell Jr. Into a Perfect Cell 2 or something. Instead of "Cell Max." That would have at least had more of a basis to explain than what we got.
As far as growing up goes you have to remember that Cell took decades to grow up. Between his time in the tank that he was originally started in, hibernating in the ground, and all of that other nonsense. He was surprisingly old by the time he showed up for the Cell Saga thanks to time travel shenanigans. So, by the time of Super the Cell Jr's are technically younger than Trunks was at the time. The only way to concretely say that they'll likely never grow up is in another ten years or so. The only hitch in that plan is that we don't know how fast some of their DNA donors mature like Frieza.
I imagine the Cells can relocate their cores if they're aware of its location and know for a fact that spot is about to be attacked. Perfect Cell did seem to be smart enough to be able think of this idea.
I just want to say there is ZERO chance the Human extinction attack killed them. Tien and Chiaoutzu survive, and they are thousands of times stronger than them.
WOULD the Cell Jrs age? I don't remember Cell mentioning aging, at least not in perfect form. Also, if they didn't survive the planet's destruction because of regeneration and the ability to breathe in space I think they're on the same level of evil as everyone else bad that was brought back in Super. Doing bad things not necessarily because doing the bad action makes you feel good or gives you purpose, but just doing the action that makes you feel good and it just so happens to be bad. Not acting with true malicious intent and disregard for others and their lives. Like Cell draining cities worth of people and attempting to destroy the solar system vs his offspring just doing what they're told and fighting just to fight. If there's anything to prove they were just having fun before Gohan obliterated them it'd be the fact that Yamcha was alive.
Ooooh shoot! I thought that this was actually a fan manga 😅 I didn't know that this was actually something that happen in the DBS manga. Definitely would've made more sense if 17 got stronger by fighting these things.
Am I the ONLY one who DOESN'T like this at all??? I think it's pretty stupid so what the Cell Jr's can control when they can regenerate no matter how broken apart they are? Are Goten & Trunks weaker when they really shouldn't be? 17 literally said that there as strong as where back during the Cell Games.
Idk it makes sense to me. The cells have saiyan and freeza dna. In super it’s been 10 years since the cell games. 17 has limitless stamina so he can train endlessly. And by there being 6 of them and 1 of him he’d get way more out of training with the Cell Jrs than they would.
6:15 thats what i thought too. I think what they meant by "very bad ones" ware villains who can use Ki, and other powers to harm everyone on earth. Whereas robbers are just plain old criminals who may not be "evil" rather they are stealing for reasons that justify their actions.
@@QaamansLand ugh i mean yes, but also no. because those types of people haven't been explored into the show itself since the show tends to recon a lot to bring back bad people. Maybe one similarly could be members of Red Ribbon Army that did do the most evil when it comes to genocide and taking over innocent people, then yes those in that type of category would not be bought back to life. The thing is when it comes to the Dragon ball Anime/Manag itself, as soon as the idea of "the very evil" would bring an over-thinking debate on who would be characterized as bad to very bad. Unless they pull a Naruto exploration for each bad character and why they do bad things, its never going to work like that in the show. They would rather have the audience decided it for itself on who is bought back and those that didn't. It's like the case with Vegeta, all though he was ordered by Frieza to do bad things, he still would've done conquering even if Frieza didn't rule over them. Yet, despite his good deed during the battle of Kid Buu, he was deemed as good in the end to be bought back to life. So, if "Odolf Sitler" or "Voseph Flalin" or characters like them were in the anime, an exception would be made to keep in the HFIL.
I remember reading this when it came out. Now that the newest chapter has come out it think a teen cell Jr going to school with trunks and gotten would be pretty cool and funny.
Cell could be a monster if he came back. Frieza's potential and zenkai boosts. Technically he has access to the untapped powers of anyone who is a part of him. That includes all the saijin forms, Frieza forms and even piccolos dragon form. That was something that was already stated to be part of piccolo he just hadn't unlocked it yet.
If cell can survive his own self destruction I don’t see why they couldn’t have survived with 1 DNA cell surviving and regenerating. But them being good enough to be wished back makes sense
I don’t think that Goku destroying Cell’s upper half is a contradiction with his cluster of cells in his head letting him endlessly regenerate, the cluster was able to survive Cell’s suicide attack that completely obliterated his body, why couldn’t that tiny cluster of Cell’s have survived the Instant Transmission Kamehameha as well?
I could imagine Hedo using one of the remaining Cell Jr body parts, that being the brain of one that never was able to regenerate but thanks to Frieza's cells, it still is intact. That would've given Cell Max the brain that they were "needing" him to have without waiting. Heck, it would've been something if Cell Jr took over the mind of Cell Max after seeing Gohan, then having PTSD of him slaying its brothers. It would probably take on the title as Cell Max & drop the Jr from its name to let everyone know he's the true successor to Cell & his legacy to kill Gohan. That would've been something if once he took over, he'd just grab both the Gammas, swallow them & achieve a Perfect form.
I don't think that will work unless we make him like Broly that was misguided and angry. Rather than be like "I will complete my father mission", I want him to "fulfill his existence purpose" If Cell Jr. Was trying to follow the Cell path then Cell Jr. Would be too evil to be revived by Dragonball. This would also justified that Cell Jr. Isn't evil, he just follows his life purpose.
@@sinistor3727 Good points, kinda let that slip my mind on the dragon balls & how Earth was destroyed by Buu. but in terms of making his character work - we'd kinda be reverting back to old content when it comes to redeemable legacies of a villain if we're going the Broly & Piccolo/King Piccolo route. I think Cell Jr, or one of that's a bad apple of the bunch, should have his own motives to seek vengeance personally but also continue to spy on how the Z fighters (specifically Goku & Vegeta) are able to access godly abilities. Because remember, he also has Saiyan genetics, so it's inately to be empowered by combat & get stronger on different levels. Which is something that entices Cell Jr to try & take abilities like UI/UE or even get close to someone like Beerus or current Frieza. So if he survived, it'd be a big problem in the longrun; especially if he has any kind of encounter with Frieza & whatever those 2 would be scheming.
@@thetexan2127 I don't mean Cell Jr. Should be redeemable, Broly was misguided by his father but Cell Jr. was living through the single command to beat the hell out of Z fighters. I want to take back about misguided...I want to put it as "nature". Take Kid Buu as a reference. Kid Buu was pure evil in nature, He lived for the destruction of the universe. For me, I want Cell Jr to be guided by his own nature to follow Cell command to beat every fighter. He wasn't evil for following the command because following the command is in his nature But to make people don't feel bad about killing Cell Jr. let's just say that Cell Jr nature slowly regresses into obsession. That should be enough to prove the point that in the end, Cell Jr have hidden evil nature waiting to be awaken. I think it make sense because Cell and Frieza also fail because of their obsession with their nature. Cell wanted to have one hell of a fight then he got over power by Gohan, Frieza craved to do evil deed and he was defeated by the force of good.
Imagine the Cell Jrs all training and when Frieza arrives on Earth, They beat the everliving shit out of Frieza, then when Frieza takes on his golden form, so do the Cell Jrs, much to EVERYONE's horror.
I could actually see it that the cell juniors didn't die during the Buu Saga. They wouldn't have been at the strongest part of the blast. Even Frieza wasn't worried about tanking an exploding planet back on Namek. The Cell Jr's are far stronger then he was then. Also just like the Original Cell they should be able to breathe in space.
The Cell junior's should have never came back to life after Buu destroyed earth... They were evil, they shouldn't have been brought back to life by the wish
@@QaamansLand that's a good idea but I think we're putting more thought into this than Toyotaro ever did... he probably doesn't even have an explanation for it himself... lol
@@QaamansLandI guess the simple answer is that Toyotaro is just a terrible writer... its pretty obvious he doesn't put much thought into anything, you've read his manga and seen his interviews right?... he never has much to say about anything (just like his dialogue in DBS)... he's such a lazy writer, im sure he doesn't even remember that the earth was destroyed and they shouldn't have been brought back by the wish....
@@reptilian_geneticist What did Cell Jrs ever do to be considered evil 😆 take that into consideration they never killed anybody during the Cell games they just fought the Z fighters and that’s it they wasn’t born evil. Cell was in command of them they don’t know right or wrong they’re basically kids. Dragonball fans like you are so weird why disrespect toyotara or toriyama like that it’s like you guys don’t appreciate anything. Hell some of y’all act like y’all created Dragonball and think y’all know more than the people writing it it’s just getting ridiculous 😆
The inconsistent information and contractions really confuses the hell outta me. One of the older games on ps2 had a bunch of information and definitely stated unlike cell, cell juniors did not have regenerative powers. Now it looks like that was bullshit. Maybe that kakarot game was trying to retcon the survival of the cell babies, because after you beat them they become your minions, at least it said something like that when I was playing as Vegeta.
Imagine the strength of one surviving and training all this time and revealing himself to be the strongest fighter besides frieza right now.
But all 7 survived. So you mean as a team?
@@QaamansLand indeed
@I_amPeter Cell should realistically have more potential than Frieza and as the Cell Jr's are essentially clones than it's should be safe to assume that they should have similar potential so when you combine that with 6 training partners who have the same potential than just 1 year alone would put them around Jiren's strength (above or below idk) so if the Cell Jr's had kept themselves hidden until the T.o.P and had trained all those years than not even Black Frieza would be able to defeat 1 of them which is probably why this didn't happen in the manga and they were permanently stuck as kids both mentally and physically with no desire to train. (Though it should be noted that the Cell Jr's probably did get Zenkai boosts from almost dying against Gohan and had been helping #17 protect the island and if #17 was able to get stronger by fighting poachers than it's possible that the Cell Jr's did too)
@@QaamansLand fusion
Cell has more potential than frezia and broly, he has unique genes
The only way the Cell Jr's can work is if they regenerated after the Cell games, just completely miraculously were never sensed by anyone, never caused any problems and just wandered the earth somewhere until they met 17.
Why would they do nothing after their father died?
@@QaamansLand Gohan beat them so hard they gave up all hope.
I mean they probably got blown away from the force of the Kamehameha clash and regenerated later on
Well, it doesn't seem to take cell long to regenerate...
The cell jr's were too weak to be seen as a threat and probably treated like regular animals.
I do want the Juniors to be more fleshed out. Seeing how badly they wanted to keep Goten and Trunks as kids for such a long time for their wacky and silliness, they could do the same thing with the Cell Juniors as you can easily say they don't grow while still being silly yet strong.
Well, they ARE part Saiyan.
...could turn them into multi-colored Power Rangers...
...Cell Power Rangers...
...Cell Park Rangers...
...H U H...
@@happygol-lucky5938 CPR
@@AshVA1 I see a bad moon rising.
The Cell Juniors have Frieza's cells. So it possible they could of survived the earth blowing up and just kinda stagnated in space til the earth returned.
Also, King Piccolo created a lot of mutated Namekians before he created the Piccolo we know today just before he died. So it is possible these Cell Juniors were never meant to grow up, and were kind of just worker ants designed with one purpose in mind. Fighting.
They would have had to have survived the blast itself. Definitely possible if they sensed it coming and all banded together to create a shield or something. But it's still something to consider.
could have*
If a beaten up Freeza havin only half of his body could survive Namek explosion, i don't see why a more powerful Cell Jr with Freeza's cells can't just survive Earth (a smaller planet) explosion just by existing.
@@LamunesADV I mean Freeza saga's Freeza implied anyone at his power level (or higher) could survive a planet blowing up. It would be more of a matter of surviving being in space that would be the issue, with Freeza himself being able to breath in space (or just hold his breath until he reached a ship or planet). So you are right.
@@FightingFoodonsFan frieza doesnt need to breathe in space
cell(and jr.s) doesnt need to as well
I would’ve thought if those Cell Jrs did survive, it would’ve grown up and trained on earth to take revenge.
I guess they were just so scared of Gohan they just ran away.
Are they smart enough?
That would've been the better route instead of a brainless Cell Max, even if the scientists in DBS Super Hero buffed the shit out of the Jr.. Heck they could've given the Cell Jr intelligence if they don't develop it on their own which I can't see why they couldn't with enough time on earth
@@QaamansLand It's Dragon Ball, just about anything except Vegeta getting a big Win can happen 😢 So the idea of a Cell Jr developing intelligence after some time alive doesn't seem far fetched
@@cmpork7145 agreed
Because of lazy writing. It is all that needs to be said about this.
I assume No. 17 tamed the Cell juniors for two reasons:
First he and no. 18 are like a long distance parents because they were embodied with Cell when Cell created them.
Second, Cell works like an insect: he involves like caterpillar, bee etc eats like a ladybug in first stage. So it works like queen of the bees to them. When he gets exterminated , they would be loyalty to a new queen ( Lapis to this case)
Why is your comment so brilliant?
Actually makes sense
Queen #17 and Princess Trunks. :3
@@SniperKing-Oall hail princess trunks
That'd kinda incestuous but makes sense
The Cell Jrs were created to serve Cell, without him they lost their purpose and did nothing, it is very likely that they hid their power during those years fearing Gohan.
They definitely survived Super Buu's genocide attack, either by dodging it as Tien and Chiaotzu did or Super Buu not detecting them.
If Frieza missing most of his body survived Namek's explosion the Cell Jrs also did, specially considering that they were much stronger than him.
Why they didn't grow up? As we saw with Cell, he was able to revert to his larva state to fit into the time machine, it means that he can control his body's maturity at will and so do the Cell Jrs, they didn't grow up because they didn't will themselves to do it, it is very likely that 17 ordered them to remain like that.
Been playing a lotta of Dokkan, Legends and Xenoverse and the Cell Jrs. are basically just Saibamen just with kamahamas. Kinda easy to forget they’re are just as strong as Prefect Cell when in most games kinda forget.
I mean being fair i Don't think they are strong as Cell since Vegeta and Trunks managed to get a decent figth
they had around 1/4 of perfect cell power. Cell himself said that.
I think you're right about Cell wanting to keep them around as underlings. I mean, he didn't give them the prolapse thing he used to drink and eat people, so they were doomed to be short kings and never evolve the way Cell did... poor little critters
hopefully they arent completely forgotten and have some future relevance, esp with the arc focused around goten/trunks/hedo
Be honest, you know that won't happen right?
@@QaamansLand lol big facts think of all the great ideas and routes they could’ve went and decided not to 😂 cell jrs making a comeback is too cool of an idea for toyotaro and toriyama minds.
considering Akira excuse for not bringing cell back, we aren't seeing this cells jrs never again
@@roseoliveira6709they could bring them back just without spots
Dont know how to explain that tho
So yeah we might see them again
Could they be different cell JRs?
Or maybe it took them years to regenerate back to their full forms?
Why are they called "pseudo"? So many questions but I don't think we're seeing them again but what if 17 managed to tame them because he had cell's dna (when he was perfect) so they sort of recognize him or feel closure to him since 17 was inside cell? it's kind of hard to elaborate but I hope you get the concept I'm trying to explain
Maybe 17 isn't aware they regenerate.
Maybe by pseudo he means they don't have the same potential with Cell. Cell went ssj2 in a fight. These had too many years and just rival Goten and Trunks 's strength.
@@grgamer8470 this is probably the best explanation since they clearly don't grow the same way Cell does, otherwise they'd be Perfect Cell's size by now, and they're not big enough to absorb anything that warrants a transformation
This technique was most likely developed from the cells of saibaman and aren’t meant to have personalities outside of being childish. They’re not technically evil cause they don’t set out to do evil things deliberately. you could also argue that since they have some of Goku‘s cells that they are technically pure of heart since in video games perfect cell can use the spirit bomb, but of course this is just all head canon.
Cyberman?
@@QaamansLand Saiba
@@QaamansLand😂
I want the Cell Jr's to fuse like Namekians and become one blue Adult Stem Cell and become Gohan's rival.
If the pseudo Cell Juniors were just as strong as the the originals, then how how is that 17 was able to tame them at all when he couldn’t even stand up to Imperfect Cell?! There needs to be a further explanation for this.
He got stronger overtime
@@QaamansLand then the question becomes assuming 17 didn't already become stronger prior to meeting the Cell Jrs, why didn't they kill 17 when they came across him since he would've been weaker than them at the time of their meeting?
@@acecashman1237 that is assuming 17 met them as soon as he got revived also wont be suprise if the cell jr stayed low since they got 1 shoted and there dad died
@@micahduffus5690 hell, Trunks and Vegeta put up a decent figth against Cell juniors
because in super androids are much much stronger (propably years of training)
The idea of a couple of Cell Jr's surviving and then eventually fuse to get revenge against Gohan for their father would have been an awesome idea. Way better than whatever they did with Cell Max.
Dude I agree with you
@@mikkey246do you know the OST at 3:59
@@darkgenics if it's from this video I'll Shazam it when I have the chance man
@@mikkey246 do u know it now?
Cell Jr.s were already in their "perfect form." They were made to not surpass their design which was just being Cell's worker ants.
They’re probably even stronger than cell now
Cell could probably resurrect himself though one of his juniors since they're a part of him.
It’s possible they did die both of those times, and they got a zenkai boost each time from their saiyan cells, this would explain why they are stronger and better training partners for 17
Yoi all forget that them fighting Goten and trunks mean nothing in power scaling. Those two are both super Saiyan 1, and not even as strong as ss1 at the beginning of cell arc.
@@calebfoster2520 base trunks and goten are easily stronger than namek Freeza as proven in Yo Son Goku, based on that alone they are infact stronger than ssj1 at the beginning of the cell arc. So I would say at the time of this chapter trunks and goten are similar to ssj1 gohan during or after the time chamber
@@JEM_Tank That still puts them BELOW ALL of the cell jr., seeing how they were stronger than Ss1 Gohan and ss1 trunks, Vegeta, and Goku.
It slipped my mind that the Cell Jrs should be able to regenerate. It seems the dragon didn’t judge them bad either😮
They could have survived the planets destruction...Frieza survived Namek and they can also breath in space and regen so, why not?
Yeah no they tank that shit
if the cell juniors are still children according to alot of scriptures the young isn't considered good or evil up until a certain age, so if their young enough their actions would fall on the father of them.
Shouldn't they have aged?
I never realized how hard gohan hit the cell jr till i saw the manga and saw ones brain and eye pop out of its skull when gohan hit it.
From this video?
yeah at 2:15 of the video gohan slams a cell juniors head so hard it pops open, makes me want to read the manga, I only ever watched the anime.
Can you go back to your old Qaaman voice? Pilaf just turned me into a child again.
Lol which era?
@@QaamansLand
The really loud 2013 mic one. I remember my mom used to tell me to turn down the volume when I was watching your videos lol.
Serious or trolling?
@@QaamansLand serious
@@QaamansLand
I’m serious lol. I used watch RUclips on my Xbox and watch your vids on TV.
I always felt that they should have been the actual 7 Cell Jr's. and since they are not as strong as their parent and their abilities are not as potent, it took longer for them to regenerate. So slow, that folks didn't even notice at all, and were able to regenerate after everyone left. But because their parent, Cell, was gone, they basically kind of wander and do their down thing. With no one to direct the Cell Jr's, they basically just live their own lives until they come across 17.
I don't know if they explain it or not, but what does it really mean when he says they are "pseudo" Cell Jr's. There are all 7 of them and all of them have the same strength as before and look exactly the same. So if they are pseudo, why? What makes them that way? Some bizarre clones created through magic or science? If so, when, and why?
Where did Toriyama admit it was a mistake with Cell's core cluster? The line says that if that cluster survives, he can regenerate from it, that doesn't exclude him being able to regenerate if it is destroyed as long as he has a large amount of body matter left. Two methods of regeneration, one from having enough body matter to do it, the other from his core
Cell Jr's have the ability to get zenkai boosts just like Cell Sr. If they were training with 17, especially roughly considering they regenerate, then it makes sense that they would be that strong. Also explains 17's strength. If he keeps getting stronger to keep up, then their mutual growth is only natural.
In the Arc Leading up to 17 in Super Toriyama went on to state that 17 had even greater potential than Cell
I kinda want the Cell Juniors to grow up, that way we could have somewhat of an army of Cell, wouldn't that be cool!
I thought cell grew quickly because he absorbed creatures in his first form
I think wishes that say "dont bring back any evil people" only apply to people that have literally no redeeming qualities. Robbers might be doing the wrong thing but their purpose could be noble, or they could be having thoughts of turning their life around. I think the "no evil people" part of the wish only would apply to people who are truly evil and unredeemable and not just people who would go to hell if they died.
The Cell Jrs in Super just raise so very many many plot holes.
Super in its entirety, has massive plot holes.
Just another reason why the Manga is more important than the anime, who wouldn’t want to see these little buggers back in action with #17, Goten & Trunks
Here's an idea. What if the Cell Jr's that Gohan killed wasn't the first batch?
What if, during that waiting period before the tournament, he practiced this move... And these 7 were ones Cell considered failures? Would make sense why they'd be tamable. (Other than, they are kids, highly impressionable)
When fans have better ideas than the creators themselves... That would be the perfect explanation, no pun intended.
Perfect.
Dude I remember talking to my friend when I was a little kid that the little Cell Jrs would regenerate. I even made a bet that a grown up Cell Jr was going to show up during the Buu saga… I lost that bet. I thought the Cell Jrs would become a self contained mini Piccolo character arc. That only one of the Cell Jrs would survive and would show up fully grown, looking like a exact clone of Perfect Cell but blue during the Buu saga.
I really hope Dr Hedo creates two powerful Androids in the current manga arc who end up becoming the villains of the current arc and then when Goten and Trunks fight the villains and fight them equally at first, the villains end up absorbing both of Ssj Goten’s and Ssj Trunks’s energy and start to beat up Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks and then steal back Dr Gero’s disc for Dr Hedo. And then after Goten and Trunks realize the villains are way stronger than before, Goten and Trunks decide to get the Cell Jrs involved to help them against the villains along with Goten and Trunks also deciding to train seriously in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a month or two to prepare for the final battle of the arc and also asking the Cell Jrs to buy them time against the villains while Goten and Trunks train seriously in the ROSAT for a bit. Also if the Cell Jrs get involved, it would be cool if Goten and Trunks also asked Android 17 to come mentor and train them in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as well as Android 17’s family members agreeing to look after Monster Island while 17 is gone for a bit to mentor and train Goten and Trunks for a month or two in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Wouldn't the Cell Juniors have survived Kid Buu blowing up the planet? They can breathe in space and regenerate. The main blast damage from Buu's attack would have been in that canyon area where Goku and Vegeta were, not wherever the Cell Jr. were...
Kid buus explosion was easily powerful enough to destroy every single cell in their body at that point and perhaps they’re regeneration is not as potent.
ya buus planet busting attack had massive amounts of energy to blow it up 10 times i think or something. goku or vegeta said when he power'd up. so deff would have vaporized every last molecule in their bodies. even with freeza durability then cell juniors arent that powerful and probably still same in power as in cell saga.
then ya super buu just ended everybody before with the extinct attack too. this was a brutal saga.
no one on earth survived bro. lol. except goku and vegeta and satan...
Do you know the ost at 3:59
5:26 both of those can easily be survived, the Cell Juniors can regenerate like Cell, so that first attack would've just pierced them and not killed them, the kid Buu blowing up the planet can also be easily survived because if they're anything like Cell, they would have Frieza's genetics which would allow them to survive in space after a planetary explosion, the only way they wouldn't have survived was if they were directly in the way of the blast, but just the planet exploding wouldn't be capable of taking them out.
Or because there basically sibermen cell has cell's of them so that's how he's able to spawn them. They will never grew and that's also why they can be tamed
My headcanon about the whole Parunga "except for all the bad ones" wish is simply that Parunga ignored that part.
What you not only want him to bring back it up entire freaking planet, and every last living thing on it, but also having him do a judgment call on every single solitary living thing? That might be beyond him.
This is a cool thing included in the Super manga
Absolutely. Thoughts on the video?
@@QaamansLand I like it
Reason?
@@QaamansLand I love the Cell jrs
I hope to hear more about cells kids let them go to school or train with roshi🤣🤣😂
Lol why Roshi?
@@QaamansLandto give my favorite pervert some screen time 😏
@@QaamansLand He is the best master out there 😄 ! Except for the Gods, nobody on Earth has surpassed the quality of Muten Roshi’s teachings.
I know this unrelated to the video but guys pray for Damar Hamilton.
Who is that? Please explain in-depth here.
@@QaamansLand He a Football player for the Buffalo Bills,the guy is in critical condition.
I watch football. What happened?
@@QaamansLand The guy collapsed during the game.
@@nathanielduncan4692 I'll give it a shot man. Sorry to hear about that. That's sad to hear.
I like to think by the time Buu saga happened, Cell Jr. already met and was tamed by 17. Thats why they were wished back from the Dragon Balls after Buu destroyed the Earth. By then, they already changed to be good guys.
To add a plus, they never really killed any innocents, they just beat them up. Although, one of them ALMOST killed someone. So Cell Jr. is innocent, while their dad, Cell, has already killed many innocents.
Similar logic with King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.
True. Even before he'd met Gohan, he was significantly less evil than his father. Which is saying something because he really loved torturing Goku.
I do like the Cell Jrs surviving, makes 17 getting so strong more believable if he was training against Cell Jrs as opposed to just regular poachers. Could also say the Cell Jrs were getting way stronger as well and were strong enough to give 17 enough of a challenge to get stronger and were just holding back against Goten and Trunks at first because they thought they were just regular poachers.
do you think cell jr. have zenkai boost? that would explain how strong 17 got - he's training regimen gets stronger every time he finishes it
@@chalibar They should since Cell does
I think after they regenerate from gohans attack they were traumatised and fucked off
To the point about them being children forever, not that logic necessarily sticks in Dragon ball.. but the logic is in fact already there, and what I mean by this, is that the cell Juniors fused into an adult cell junior. That shows their DNA has the capacity to reach an adult form.
Where are you getting this from?
@@QaamansLand He watchers another dragon ball RUclipsr named unrealgaming and he had a manga where the cell juniors fused and fought gotenks. NOT CANON. But it would be nice if the cell juniors permanently fused into one being with a personality and potential.
Namakian DNA means they should be able to do that assimilation thing like Piccolo did with Nail and Kami.
Cell juniors becoming teenagers
My god
That whole really really bad ones makes it sound like genocidal dictators or people who are just wanten murderers. People that are stealing to survive would likely get a pass. Also with how many years passed between the wish to bring back the people who weren't really really bad there's a chance that people who weren't really really bad got worse over time. As for the cell juniors if they have Cell's cells then chances are they were getting stronger as well. You know the whole saying zenkai bit. so once 17 Eclipse them to the point where all seven of them were no match as far as sparring goes the whole regenerating and being brought back to life by the dragon balls when the planet was destroyed and brought back it would make sense that they would go up to Super perfect cell status and Beyond.
I had an extra minute of audio talking more about this but I felt it would go off topic. Brilliant comment bro.
Doctor hedo i see getting a pass since he thougth the Z figthers were evil but what about magenta
@@QaamansLand I know it must be hard to keep making all this quality content. Thanks not just for the entertainment that your videos give but for actually responding to the comments so that we know we're not just shouting at the wind.
@@Eric6761 Probably didn't do anything consider really bad at that point of the wish.
ITS QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAN
Here today?
@@QaamansLand naw that was yesterday
No way 17 knew
About cell jrs and just let them chill there
Here's my theory aka crazy idea. Cell Jrs only exist so the fan base will shut up.
Plus, Akira and other DB manga writers low-key hate Cell. Cell Max's backstory is just Akira Toriyama's reliving his PTSD.
lame no airka siadhe like 2nd form cell he dont have pstd on cell
@@ssjgotenks2009 my friend you know the PTSD remark was a joke?
If Cell Jr.s Continues Like This and trains and goes around the universe , They would faced bigger threats Like majin buu , beerus , broly
“We call this a Toriyama hand job.” -Plague of Gripes on characters getting stronger when they shouldn’t.
Another reason how they survived the majin buu planet explosion is probably because, They can also regenerate just like cell did after goku sent him to king Kai planet and the planet exploded there must’ve been still something left for them to regenerate
am sorry but there no where nar buu oen blast form buu wood kill them so i cant by them regenarteing
Happy New Year Qaaman!
I wonder where we can read this chapter? I'm looking over Viz but I can't somehow find it @_@
It's a side chapter. It's not properly released with viz. As of today I believe there are 3.
1 with the history of trunks
2. Explains why Trunks and Mai left after seeing Gohan in the present
3. This one during the tournament of power.
If they were ever gonna use this plot thread, Dragon Ball Super Superhero would’ve been a great time
Random thought but instead of cell max what if they abducted the cell jrs and idk made them combine somehow or amp them up. Very weak thought but something with the cell jrs woulda been dope. Edit: and maybe after the movie they turn good realizing RR was using them and they join bulma like the pilaf gang
Im not upset about this, i always thought it was odd cell jr's wouldn't be able to regenerate like cell. Thenlogic could be he spawned them to be lacking the ability as they could try to over take him.
I hope these little dudes arnt just swept under the rug and could be a good allie to the rest.
Honestly I kinda wish one of the Cell Jr’s was found by Dr Hedo and was modified into a perfect cell max
Considering where we are in Super and Seeing Hedo. He could find them and use them. Seeing how we saw a baby cell in his files through teen trunks. They could be teenagers at this point, too. Still can be used. Just on the matter of when. I'm sure they are remembered. The manga(Super) DID use them again before, so.
Qaaman Akira Toriyama needs to watch this
Why?
I 100% agree that the story would have been more interesting if they pulled a Super 17 and made a Cell Jr. Into a Perfect Cell 2 or something. Instead of "Cell Max." That would have at least had more of a basis to explain than what we got.
Or maybe it’s they survived the planet exploding
It wasn’t a contradiction because Cell’s core wasn’t at the top.. it was located at the bottom the whole time…
I mean the Manga is starting back before the events of Superhero, and a Cell Junior would be the best way to explain where he got the DNA for cellmax
As far as growing up goes you have to remember that Cell took decades to grow up. Between his time in the tank that he was originally started in, hibernating in the ground, and all of that other nonsense. He was surprisingly old by the time he showed up for the Cell Saga thanks to time travel shenanigans. So, by the time of Super the Cell Jr's are technically younger than Trunks was at the time. The only way to concretely say that they'll likely never grow up is in another ten years or so. The only hitch in that plan is that we don't know how fast some of their DNA donors mature like Frieza.
I never thought of the cell jr's in the super hero movie
I imagine the Cells can relocate their cores if they're aware of its location and know for a fact that spot is about to be attacked. Perfect Cell did seem to be smart enough to be able think of this idea.
the nucleus thing was a mis-interpretation, it's not ONE nucleus, it's ANY nucleus of Cell's cells. Each lil cell of Cell's body is fully him.
lol
I think you are giving Toriama to much credit. He probably just forgot that they died
It's just cool seeing them back again, and it makes me wanna read the manga more
The new voice makes you sound like superman, your true voice.
What about the old one?
DBS is really just an official fan fiction… So bad.
I just want to say there is ZERO chance the Human extinction attack killed them.
Tien and Chiaoutzu survive, and they are thousands of times stronger than them.
I had to mention it. That's why I brought up Kid Buu.
@@QaamansLand
Fair.
And yeah. Great vid, and I think it explains to a ton of people who were very confused how the Jr’s returned.
WOULD the Cell Jrs age? I don't remember Cell mentioning aging, at least not in perfect form. Also, if they didn't survive the planet's destruction because of regeneration and the ability to breathe in space I think they're on the same level of evil as everyone else bad that was brought back in Super. Doing bad things not necessarily because doing the bad action makes you feel good or gives you purpose, but just doing the action that makes you feel good and it just so happens to be bad. Not acting with true malicious intent and disregard for others and their lives. Like Cell draining cities worth of people and attempting to destroy the solar system vs his offspring just doing what they're told and fighting just to fight. If there's anything to prove they were just having fun before Gohan obliterated them it'd be the fact that Yamcha was alive.
The Cell Jrs. are cute I hope they make an appearance again
Ooooh shoot! I thought that this was actually a fan manga 😅 I didn't know that this was actually something that happen in the DBS manga. Definitely would've made more sense if 17 got stronger by fighting these things.
Please edit your comment with proper Grammar. I don't know what you are saying
@@QaamansLand 😅 sorry, was typing too fast and it auto corrected
I guess Cell has Nick Fury level contingency planning.
i keep seeing this in my recommended and every time i see it i just say "Because They Baby" out loud and move on
Did you finally watch the video?
@@QaamansLand hey, where can i read this? please respond :3
Am I the ONLY one who DOESN'T like this at all??? I think it's pretty stupid so what the Cell Jr's can control when they can regenerate no matter how broken apart they are? Are Goten & Trunks weaker when they really shouldn't be? 17 literally said that there as strong as where back during the Cell Games.
The video?
@@QaamansLand Of course not I love your amount of work you put in your videos. I just it somewhat undermines what Gohan did back then.
@@brmawe Super undermines most of Dragonball, if we're being honest.
@@brmawe Super undermines most of Dragonball, if we're being honest.
Idk it makes sense to me. The cells have saiyan and freeza dna. In super it’s been 10 years since the cell games. 17 has limitless stamina so he can train endlessly. And by there being 6 of them and 1 of him he’d get way more out of training with the Cell Jrs than they would.
You mean 7?
i swear.. the longer super lasts, the more things make less sense.
6:15 thats what i thought too. I think what they meant by "very bad ones" ware villains who can use Ki, and other powers to harm everyone on earth. Whereas robbers are just plain old criminals who may not be "evil" rather they are stealing for reasons that justify their actions.
So would someone like "Odolf Sitler" or "Voseph Flalin" be wished back then? Using your definition of them existing in dragon ball.
@@QaamansLand ugh i mean yes, but also no. because those types of people haven't been explored into the show itself since the show tends to recon a lot to bring back bad people. Maybe one similarly could be members of Red Ribbon Army that did do the most evil when it comes to genocide and taking over innocent people, then yes those in that type of category would not be bought back to life. The thing is when it comes to the Dragon ball Anime/Manag itself, as soon as the idea of "the very evil" would bring an over-thinking debate on who would be characterized as bad to very bad. Unless they pull a Naruto exploration for each bad character and why they do bad things, its never going to work like that in the show. They would rather have the audience decided it for itself on who is bought back and those that didn't. It's like the case with Vegeta, all though he was ordered by Frieza to do bad things, he still would've done conquering even if Frieza didn't rule over them. Yet, despite his good deed during the battle of Kid Buu, he was deemed as good in the end to be bought back to life.
So, if "Odolf Sitler" or "Voseph Flalin" or characters like them were in the anime, an exception would be made to keep in the HFIL.
I remember reading this when it came out. Now that the newest chapter has come out it think a teen cell Jr going to school with trunks and gotten would be pretty cool and funny.
Future video topic idea: What if the Z/S-fighters put the gravity chamber inside the hyperbolic time chamber to train?
Would actually be cool to see the cell jr’s team up with goten and trunks, would they be able to fuse as well?
Into who?
Goten and trunks each fuse with a cell jr and after they can fuse together
@@Sennodev why do you keep giving toriyama dumb ideas
@@beni-wu 💀
@@beni-wu like he gonna read any of this lmao seems like you the dumb one pal
Wait..... was 17 and/or 18 conscious while inside Cell???
Yes
@@QaamansLand ohh jeez. That's kinda weird....
Good god
Just bring real Cell back
Cell could be a monster if he came back. Frieza's potential and zenkai boosts. Technically he has access to the untapped powers of anyone who is a part of him. That includes all the saijin forms, Frieza forms and even piccolos dragon form. That was something that was already stated to be part of piccolo he just hadn't unlocked it yet.
If cell can survive his own self destruction I don’t see why they couldn’t have survived with 1 DNA cell surviving and regenerating. But them being good enough to be wished back makes sense
Cell max shoulve involved this cells somehow
I don’t think that Goku destroying Cell’s upper half is a contradiction with his cluster of cells in his head letting him endlessly regenerate, the cluster was able to survive Cell’s suicide attack that completely obliterated his body, why couldn’t that tiny cluster of Cell’s have survived the Instant Transmission Kamehameha as well?
I could imagine Hedo using one of the remaining Cell Jr body parts, that being the brain of one that never was able to regenerate but thanks to Frieza's cells, it still is intact. That would've given Cell Max the brain that they were "needing" him to have without waiting. Heck, it would've been something if Cell Jr took over the mind of Cell Max after seeing Gohan, then having PTSD of him slaying its brothers. It would probably take on the title as Cell Max & drop the Jr from its name to let everyone know he's the true successor to Cell & his legacy to kill Gohan. That would've been something if once he took over, he'd just grab both the Gammas, swallow them & achieve a Perfect form.
I don't think that will work unless we make him like Broly that was misguided and angry. Rather than be like "I will complete my father mission", I want him to "fulfill his existence purpose" If Cell Jr. Was trying to follow the Cell path then Cell Jr. Would be too evil to be revived by Dragonball. This would also justified that Cell Jr. Isn't evil, he just follows his life purpose.
@@sinistor3727 Good points, kinda let that slip my mind on the dragon balls & how Earth was destroyed by Buu. but in terms of making his character work - we'd kinda be reverting back to old content when it comes to redeemable legacies of a villain if we're going the Broly & Piccolo/King Piccolo route. I think Cell Jr, or one of that's a bad apple of the bunch, should have his own motives to seek vengeance personally but also continue to spy on how the Z fighters (specifically Goku & Vegeta) are able to access godly abilities. Because remember, he also has Saiyan genetics, so it's inately to be empowered by combat & get stronger on different levels. Which is something that entices Cell Jr to try & take abilities like UI/UE or even get close to someone like Beerus or current Frieza. So if he survived, it'd be a big problem in the longrun; especially if he has any kind of encounter with Frieza & whatever those 2 would be scheming.
@@thetexan2127
I don't mean Cell Jr. Should be redeemable, Broly was misguided by his father but Cell Jr. was living through the single command to beat the hell out of Z fighters.
I want to take back about misguided...I want to put it as "nature". Take Kid Buu as a reference. Kid Buu was pure evil in nature, He lived for the destruction of the universe. For me, I want Cell Jr to be guided by his own nature to follow Cell command to beat every fighter. He wasn't evil for following the command because following the command is in his nature But to make people don't feel bad about killing Cell Jr. let's just say that Cell Jr nature slowly regresses into obsession. That should be enough to prove the point that in the end, Cell Jr have hidden evil nature waiting to be awaken.
I think it make sense because Cell and Frieza also fail because of their obsession with their nature. Cell wanted to have one hell of a fight then he got over power by Gohan, Frieza craved to do evil deed and he was defeated by the force of good.
they have Namekian, Saiyan and Frieza race DNA so their aging process will be totally out of wonk
Explain Cell then.
They survived because writers are lazy and want to rehash old concepts instead writing new good storylines
They were only there for a cameo appearance on a bonus chapter crybaby. They were not even involve in the main story.
Imagine the Cell Jrs all training and when Frieza arrives on Earth, They beat the everliving shit out of Frieza, then when Frieza takes on his golden form, so do the Cell Jrs, much to EVERYONE's horror.
I could actually see it that the cell juniors didn't die during the Buu Saga.
They wouldn't have been at the strongest part of the blast. Even Frieza wasn't worried about tanking an exploding planet back on Namek. The Cell Jr's are far stronger then he was then. Also just like the Original Cell they should be able to breathe in space.
The Cell junior's should have never came back to life after Buu destroyed earth... They were evil, they shouldn't have been brought back to life by the wish
Maybe because they were "children" they get a pass for being naughty?
@@QaamansLand that's a good idea but I think we're putting more thought into this than Toyotaro ever did... he probably doesn't even have an explanation for it himself... lol
Why is that?
@@QaamansLandI guess the simple answer is that Toyotaro is just a terrible writer... its pretty obvious he doesn't put much thought into anything, you've read his manga and seen his interviews right?... he never has much to say about anything (just like his dialogue in DBS)... he's such a lazy writer, im sure he doesn't even remember that the earth was destroyed and they shouldn't have been brought back by the wish....
@@reptilian_geneticist What did Cell Jrs ever do to be considered evil 😆 take that into consideration they never killed anybody during the Cell games they just fought the Z fighters and that’s it they wasn’t born evil. Cell was in command of them they don’t know right or wrong they’re basically kids. Dragonball fans like you are so weird why disrespect toyotara or toriyama like that it’s like you guys don’t appreciate anything. Hell some of y’all act like y’all created Dragonball and think y’all know more than the people writing it it’s just getting ridiculous 😆
The inconsistent information and contractions really confuses the hell outta me. One of the older games on ps2 had a bunch of information and definitely stated unlike cell, cell juniors did not have regenerative powers. Now it looks like that was bullshit. Maybe that kakarot game was trying to retcon the survival of the cell babies, because after you beat them they become your minions, at least it said something like that when I was playing as Vegeta.