Harley Davidson Going Downhill in 2023
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If Harley’s growth strategy is to make bikes the majority of the population (who are bike riders) cannot afford, and only the elites (who are not bike riders) can afford, they have succeeded and are doomed to failure. Good job new CEO.
🤣 a god damn Indian sport cheif is 900$ more dollars than a lowrider s. A pan america is less that a GS1250 bmw. A sportster S is less than an Indian ftr1200. And I got news for u the CVO line isn't for broke dicks. The people that buy those bikes got money to burn. And there will always be a market for them. Just Rolex watches, 300k$ RVs and other shit the masses cant afford. They got plenty of bikes at decent prices.
As a long-term Harley owner, and as someone who worked 5 years in a Harley main dealer I agree with everything you said in this video
Their corporate greed now oozes from everything they do: It was going in that direction at the turn of the last century when I was working with them, but seems to have got infinitely worse in the last twenty years.
Just to think, in my day we were putting a admittedly basic 883 Sportster on the road for a new buyer for £4995 including all taxes, a Dyna SuperGlide was only around seven and a half grand and full-on Wurlitzer bling machine was around fifteen, but the main point is that a guy or lady could get on a real Harley for under five big ones.
Cheapest model over $13000?, trikes for fifty thousand? Way to piss on the working people H-D.
That's why I'll be keeping my 18 year old FXDWG for pretty much ever.
Buy used, make it your own, and keep it running and screw the greedy elitist MoCo
The thing I did appreciate about this year's showcase was they cut out a ton of extra fluff. It was 30 minutes shorter than usual and no celebrities.
Yes, that was nice. I notice they leaned it out and got straight to the point.
No Aquatwat
@@RufusCapstick ESPECIALLY no Aquatwat. He is bad for business.
I purchased my first Harley-Davidson last year. I have only owned Jap sport bikes previously. Different kind of cool factor and I enjoy the more comfortable riding position. New Vance and Hines pipes are so loud I either get a thumbs up or death stares from people, both reactions are ok. Lol
@@toddzehr203 Do you realize that "jap" is like the N word to the Japanese?
As a Blue color worker only HD I can afford are T-shirts! They left us in the cold!
Apply yourself, get a better job, start your own business or quit whining
@@fvgc454ss Yes and we would all live in a world full of CEOs, lawyers and dentists. Want your pool build from ground up? Best I can do is a difforce representation. Problem is A. Harleys are way too expensive for what they offer. B. All this Bald Eagle Murica F*ck yeah cosplay for dads is getting really outdated. Someone out there builds faster or cheapper or better bikes, many times a combination of all three...
Have you bought eggs lately? EVERYTHING is pricey, I couldn’t afford a shirt! Crazy times!
Make it a long sleeve😳✌️
Apply for a job with the blue man group. Not too many blue people out there. Lol Just kidding around. Look for a good used Sportster 1200 with low miles, and not form a stealership, they are everywhere and very inexpensive.
I've always owned Japanese bikes, but I'm not a Harley hater for sure. I actually like a lot of things about them and someday I will probably get myself one. One thing I really like about HD is there approach to dealerships and events. Their staff (and least at the dealerships I visit) are folks who love motorcycles and chatting about them. The Honda dealerships where I've purchased my bikes are way less enthusiastic and never have any events. It's more like buying an appliance. This has been my experience anyway. I'm sure there are many exceptions.
Agreed. I love going to the dealers here in San Diego. They don't bug the shit out of you and will let you test ride bikes. The same thing can't be said at the foreign bike shops.
I don't buy motorcycles for the dealership they come from..... Nor do I need a dealership to enjoy my bike or get me more involved in anything.
@@painsrides3616 I hear ya. I don't either. I did mention that I've only bought Japanese bikes. But I do appreciate the HD approach to dealerships and events, but it obviously should not be the only reason a person buys a particular make of bike. It would be nice to see other brands improve their dealership experience. But maybe the Japanese dealerships that I've dealt with just suck a bit.
@@dcjr1053 Agreed the Japanese dealers are usually more quad oriented and the bikes are an afterthought.... the sales people do not ride... mechanics ehhh...
@@dcjr1053 It’s all a marketing ploy. They make as much or more from apparel and accessories as they do bikes, no different than movie theaters and the concession stands. This culture of love you think you feel is 100% a cash grab.
Brutal. And don’t apologize. If the MoFoCo slaps a “Kick Me” sign on its own back, your response, my response, the right response is to do what any tenth grader did in the glory days. Love your prudent, balanced take on things. And that shot of Picard in his dudgeon cracked me up. Timing, baby!
Thanks! Much appreciated. I grew up with Picard so I still trust his judgement.
Most companies don't release new bikes very often. Suzuki has been running with the same lineup for 20 years.
And pricing them accordingly!
@@davidbrayshaw3529 A Rolex can't keep accurate time and they rarely make new watches. But they have a rich heritage, the best finishes and classic deigns that have stood the test of time. People will pay a premium for these sorts of things. The Harley takes it a step further by giving a visceral riding experience that you'll only find on their bikes.
Being an expensive premium brand works... if you're a privately owned manufacturer. HD is a massive publicly traded company that absolutely needs high volume of sales to sustain its business model and no amount of margin is going to save them once they milk their current aging customers and realise there's nothing left. I give it 5 years max for the current approach to last, and that's generous. I think we will either see massive backpedaling from the board and CEO (they won't care, by then they would have made their money) or a buy out by another corp. I think it would be some form of poetic justice if they were purchased by a Japanese or Indian brand down the line.
Yes, the problem with temporary management is that they have short term goals. politics is like that too. We can't look beyond a four year time horizon.
Spot-on, man. How brilliant would the 2023 lauch would have been if HD announced: a 1250cc Bronx (stuff the 975); a 499cc Pan America (using the 500cc Beneli motor as in the Asian release (HD will strugle with sufficient weight reduction to make a difference with a 975 PA); a 1250 Nightser; and, wait for it - a Road King powered with the RevMax engine and with electronic suspension and ride modes. Man, we would have all been going crazy and the future direction for HD would be more interesting.
Your comments are spot on. I'm not a Harley hater, but it seems to me that Harley has become an apparel company that also sells motorcycles, but those motorcycles are priced out of the market for most. Their 1250 is a great motor, but it does seem that development otherwise lags.
I’ve owned three Harleys over my lifetime, spent a lot of ‘hard earned wages’ to make it happen. I rode them big distances and was not always happy with their reliability. Although I met some nice people along the way, it quickly dawned that ‘ownership’ is a very expensive hobby. Parts, servicing, repairs all became prohibitive as other day to day ‘cost of living’ sky rocketed. I have sold my Harley’s now and down graded to a Yamaha ‘Bolt’ cruiser. I’m really happy with my new purchase. It still gives me that ‘cruiser’ buzz, but without the exorbitant expense, without the high brow ‘bling’. Each to their own I say. Cheers.
lol. Yup. A bike is a bike....a brand means absolutely nothing. Bolts are nice. :) :) I also dig the Vulcans and the Rebels.
If your knees r in the breeze you're cool imo...The Bolts are nice bikes, rubber down bro.
I agree completely.
And on a side note: if I can no longer ride on two wheels, I will skip the trike and go right to a nice comfortable sports car convertible.
Sports cars are fun motorcycles are fun.
Why anyone would give up the best of both worlds in order to ride a trike I will never know.
I guess they are more concerned about their image of "being a biker"😅
I'm well and truely with ya on that shout, well said.
I’m not with you. Sounds like you’re having an old life crisis
i mean if it makes them happy its whatever to me, but i agree that id rather not have a trike one way or the other
and theres some guys who really put a lot into their three wheelers and i can respect that. id ride with them
I'd still probably ride the trike but I'd get the two wheels on the front so I wouldn't roll it on a hairpin.
As always, great info and great videos. Please keep it up. I love all of your videos on all makes and models. Thanks for keeping us informed
Thank you. Comments like yours keep me making videos.
I'm with you. I was a Harley owner for 20 years, 1987-07. Thought I was the king when I rode it! Then I tried another brand...sold the H-D on the spot and never returned. Kept an eye on the bikes during the years. But never felt going back was an option. Too heavy, too clumsy, too pricey. If I could pick 1 bike of the total lineup from every year it would probably be a 1964 Duo Glide. But not as an every-day bike!
Thanks for sharing! Performance wise Harley can't compete except maybe with the Pan America. But that's not the bike people picture when they think of Harleys.
Dude, AMEN!!! I bought a used 2016 Ultra Classic about 2 years ago that had 5 miles on it. I only bought it because it had 5 miles, it was used and I figured I couldn't get hurt for $18k. At the time, I had a 2008 Goldwing that I bought new, so the Harley was comparable. What a horrible mistake it was!! The Ultra Classic was a total piece of shit!!! The head unit on the bike (stereo) was a total piece of shit and I wound up changing it out myself with a Sony designed for Harley. Performance was HORRIBLE!! The bike accelerated so poorly on the highways around Chicago because it lacked power. I bottomed and topped out the shocks in a couple moderate pot holes and couldn't figure out why. Moving the bike backwards was a chore and the bike felt incredibly heavy for what it was. I kept the bike 9 months and sold it. I lost about $5k on it but was happy to get rid of it. I did replace it with a used 2019 Fat Boy 114 that seems to work much better for me. Took it to Sturgis with a buddy and the things I dont like about it are typical for Harley. Anyway, this is what Harley brings to the table. This is going to be my last Harley for sure.
Completely agree. My sixth Harley after having owned some big twins, is a 2009 Sportster Iron 883 I found with only 6.200 km + something else from Japan to ride everyday.
I rode the original Breakout FXSB from Geneva to Valencia by narrow winding roads in France and Spain. Most comfy bike I ever rode.
There are a couple of Harleys that I'd like to own/ride, but they've always cost more than what I'd pay for them. That leaves Indian. Oh, that's right.... they're way too expensive as well!
Weird take here maybe: Harley needs another AMF buy out like happened in the 60s. They keep showing that they know how to make bikes that would sell and then they either cancel their production or give them such an inflated price that they just sit on the lots.
I know their image is the big glitzy touring bikes but OMG even Mercedes has their small displacement commuter cars and that is a corner of the bike market Harley is just handing off to other manufacturers.
They need to go begging on their hands and knees to get Erik Buell to come back to see if he can bring back any energy and creativity to the company.
I guess after the Pan-American they think they have done enough for the next 40 years.
@@steveh7108 they definitely need to get those small displacement bikes they're selling in Asia cleared for sale here in the states, and definitely get Buell back and not hamstring him like they did back in the day.
Yep, I'e been calling for a 750 forever now.
@@DifferentSpokesTV it is such a shame that they lost track of small and medium displacements markets because their old light and middleweight bikes were so awesome. Like the WL and it's R models, the K model, the XR750, and even their badge engineered models like the S-125 and it's successor the Hummer, or the Aermacchis.
I was working as the marketing guy for a local HD dealership. I got no love when I told them the same thing. New colors on last years bikes, a better touring radio and an axle upgrade for the Tri Glide didn't blow my skirt up.
Nice to see Harley just now discovered cruise control can work on bikes without bags.
Considering the numbers of Royal Enfields being bought, you should be able to figure out that a lot of us like motorcycles, not over complicated computer driven Gobots. Kudos to HD for staying true.
A fool and his or her money are soon parted
every time i watch a video about harley the more and more i dont care about modern new bikes in general. i just thinking more and more about old style bikes and choppers. the real shit
So glad to see you didn't get anything out of the video either! Uh... yay... a black color that's actually not black, but LOOKS black!
I call it as I see it because this channel is a hobby for me. A lot of others RUclipsrs are afraid to offend because this is their livelihood.
Love the paint on the anniversary models.
I said this last year, and it’s even more apparent now: Harley killed off the Dyna line, only to replace it with the Sportster (in price).
More trike models are good, and making them look cool will appeal to a slightly younger demographic who otherwise might shy away from riding altogether, because all the options are for “old geezers”.
Or, you could just buy a much lighter motorcycle, which is the route I went. And you retain the lean. I have ridden a recumbent (push) trike thousands of miles, and on bumpy or broken roads you get the worst of it, as you have 3 wheel tracks to thread between the potholes and bumps, not one as on a motorcycle.
You also can't corner as fast due to a higher center of gravity on most motorized trikes, as you can't lean to counter the high center of gravity. Then again, that's probably not an issue for most Hoggers :)
Although I appreciated Matt Levatich's inspiration of _More Roads_ than whatever Jochen Zeitz is doing I have no problem with what Harley is doing now.
What more do you want _tech-wise?_ What more add-ons do you want? How much faster or louder do you need a stock Harley to go? Having a beautiful, exceptionally well made cruiser means more to most people I know than ride modes, cheaper plastic and wheelies. Some folks get more out of quality and a special feeling that connects to their soul than others do. Elusive and incomprehensible to many? Yes, but that gratifying aspect exists.
More expensive? Yes, what product these days isn't? Some years Harley makes a tech jump, sometimes they don't. Chill, they are as farkle-filled as any other bike on average.
The _975_ _will_ come. The _Bronx_ will probably come. Give the Company the benefit of the doubt that they may know more about marketing than we do.
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Well said.
I think HD has realized new bike hype that's "current" or "recent" sells more bikes. If that hype falls in the Winter, it'll sell bikes, but not like it will in the Spring or Summer. Half or more of the US, & all of Canada is essentially unrideable so people just don't buy bikes when they can't immediately ride & enjoy them for an extended period (Spring to Fall). I figure they'll drop the "REAL" new models between March & July.
That's exactly what they do! They do 2 launches, the January for the cvo and returning models, and then usually anniversary/special edition and new models at the mid year event. Let's hope we see some more new bikes!
Living up north, many riders start gettin "itchy" by Jan-Feb. It works out well if you can get them into the dealer, since buying a new bike or parts is easier for someone craving. Like grocery shopping while hungery.
Foo Farts and Green Doy are the FARTHEST Music Acts from Harley Riding 😂
Totally agree with you and your outlook on HD and riding in general. Love my Low Rider ST and now its worth an extra $2000.00? with the 2023 price increase here in NZ.
Nice bike!
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the Nightster Special also gets the round tft from the sportster s that includes navigation and Bluetooth connectivity. The regular nightster still has an analog dash.
Yes, and they removed the fairing from the regular so it is more beautiful now. XD.
To be fair, nightster is the only line where some changes has been done. And I think that it's an improvement, but not the final step to suit me.
Bro Harley’s been going down hill according to you since 1903.
I will never understand launching in January....😕
It is a shame they may be going downhill; with all that torque they go uphill so much better. 😀
Such a shame we will never see another Cross Bones😍😭
Interesting you said that. I didn't think anyone even remembered the crossbones.
Ironically I am somewhat of a Harley basher, but I will ride anything on a free demo night.
One day there was no one there so I got to ride three-in-a-row. A Road King, V-Rod and then I picked the crossbones just for giggles. I hate ape hangers and I like bikes that are comfortable and handle well. So I picked the crossbone just for giggles and I ended up liking that bike more than any other Harley I ever Road.
I actually considered buying one.
You never know. The launch coincides with the new bikes hitting dealers in the States. I'm sure those Breakouts and Nightster Specials are getting uncrated as I write this.
They also do a mid year event where they release new models!
yep I agree, faster and louder always beats shiny shit...really don't know what they were thinking on the new colours. Glad to hear that you can add after market parts that aren't HD and you're still covered under the warranty.
Harleys look good but 300kg+ and just a single non-floating disc on the front of most soft tails ?? Crazy
I'm glad you got some more B roll from the latest bike show. It's good to see someone got something from it. Waiting for February 17 to 19...😉
Yep, that's the one with the new, shiny bikes.
Thanks for this video & for keeping it real. So well said that I don't know what I can add except for I too will not purchase another Harley. To hell with their over-priced machine's!! Have a beautiful day!! Illinois, USA
Awesome video about the Harley-verse. ☺️
Thanks! 😁 It's a whole different world in there.
Purchased a street bob in 2020 just before they changed it to a 114. My bike now on the used market is selling for more than I purchased it for from the showroom. So happy I got it when I did. (For reference I paid £12,000, even the street bob standard costs more by several thousand now.)
Yeah, inflation has hit hard, especially in the UK. Hopefully it comes down soon but it probably never will.
I am very curious how the SWM V1200 will do here in Europe...
I know trikes make better handling vehicles but sidecars are so much cooler and can become motorcycles more easily
Yeah, there's something super old school about a good ol' sidecar.
The breakout is the only bike in the current line up that interests me... tried it in the showroom, the seating with pegs and handlebar position is very similar to my 81 Sturgis which I find a comfy all day rider. Only now I just realized my 83 FXDG is an 80th anniversary bike, nothing on this bike though makes note of that. No badges or anything... must be a recent thing.
They started anniversary editions in the 50's if memory serves...if it was an anniversary edition it should have badging, or paint, etc. Although the 83 Wide Glide in itself is cool like fonzy, I recently picked up a '80 Super Glide, 80ci Shovel, chain drive, I'm restoring for probably resale, maybe idk.👍
@@GawgaCracka my 83 is not just a wide glide, its a Willie G special edition twin belt wide glide...
Trust me you don’t want a breakout they are one of the worst handling bikes I’ve ever rode and I worked for Harley for years that 240 rear tire makes you force the bike into corners it just want to stand up
The Trikes still have that ride killing straight log wagon axel.
I completely agree with everything you said here. The biggest problem with the motor industry today is that the soul has completely bleed out of it. So many of the motorcycle and car companies we love were built on the love of the vehicles they were building. The pride in the product they made was just as important as how much money they made. Over the decades that love has slowly died out. As the corporate culture of the business world grew more dominant, the driving force became money and nothing else and these days it's just become oppressive. It's not a motorcycle company anymore, it's a money making company that just happens to produce motorcycles as part of the way they make money. And it's the same everywhere. Everything is about making as much money as possible, not about making something you can be proud of.
a panam650 would be a dam fine place to start in getting more market share... Cheers from Vancouver!
CEO Zeitz did say he wanted HD to be an exclusive brand like Ferrari. Looks like that's the direction the MoCo is headed. Personally, I wanted to see the China-Harley-Benelli 350 & 500 models unveiled
I’ve owned many Harleys over the last 12+ years and this new corporate culture makes me want to sell the one I have now and never step foot in a dealership again…
The nightster special does get the upgraded TFT as well. Still don't know if it all adds up to 1800 (CAD) more, but to be honest, that's the Sportster I would get I'd I was in the market.
You were on a roll. Spotted from the moon. I luv it. Thing is, unlike most young people who like the "just sprayed with rattle can black paint Low Riders," you might find out that off the trail, having people see you is actually a good thing. Though I agree the new Breakout went a little overboard with it.
You totally miss the purpose of Harleys. Mine will go 110 mph indicated by the speedo. Probably off by 5 or 10 mph. In any case, it's faster than I tend to ride it 99.99% of the time. In fact, today I was passed as I rode about 80 mph down the freeway by the loudest GSXR I've ever heard. I had to slow down to let him get ahead so my left ear would quit aching. While he's replacing his tires every 3k miles, adjusting his valves every 12k miles, replacing his broken electronic shock sensors and his turbo asteroid mode, I'll just be changing the oil and riding.
Kids are worried about having the fastest thing out. Most of them couldn't ride one out of a paper bag. But it makes them feel like masters of the universe to own a fast bike and ride it slow, I get it. When as they get older and actually want to go somewhere with someone, comfortably, they may come to appreciate the tech HD does have. The kind that makes miles easy and maintenance a 20 minute job every 5k miles.
Ya see there's something to be said for mfgs not changing parts yearly so you can tell your buddy that your new version is 0.4 grams lighter this year. Specifically, your HD will have a bunch of parts used across many model years that are available for your machine and are generally pretty cheap. And there's also a lot of dealers wherever you're at to put them on should something go wrong during your travel.
I linked an article about a guy that did 100k miles in 100 days on his HD. Try this on a high tech, high speed machine. Post your maintenance records when you're done. I could use the laugh.
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bruh no one has 20.000 $ for bike when we are young
maybe your generation now
but ours cant spend the type of money harley want as to spend for a bike.
Good points and I'd totally love a Street Glide ST, however, a Gold Wing will do more for considerably less money having been built in Ohio. The H-D pricing will drive away customers like me, Gen Xers who would rather invest money than pay 7% interest on a loan.
I rode Harleys for decades, until I rode bikes that were better and cheaper
Many Bikes are better ,But only one is to heavy, over built but just does something to my soul no other bike can. And that's an HD. I think they call that a conundrum !
@@Henry.58 Many don't realize that touring bikes being overbuilt/heavyweight (and all the other brands make their own version) has it's own advantages. It's great for long range highway touring.
@@Prairie_Barbarian 100% my Ultra is 900 plu pounds,but on the highway she rides and maneuvers perfectly.
I rode other bikes for decades, then I found my '18 Road Glide. It is the Only Harley I will own, but it is better in every way compared to my past touring bikes.
Cheaper and more plastic and uglier. No one cares about the money u saved on your bike.
Meanwhile Royal Enfield now has the Super Meteor 650 cruiser which might cost $7000 USD. Both HD and Indian Motorcycles can learn a thing or two from RE.
Royal Enfield cannot be compared to a Harley. Full stop.
@@massimilianocereghino5661 Yeah, but at least REs you get the most bang for your buck.
Unspoken HD motto, “yesterday’s technology for tomorrow’s price”......
It would have been nice to see some performance touring and lowrider stuff and I don't just mean colors I mean some stuff that works such as upside down larger front forks and rear shocks.
Harley-Davidson is the oldest and best. Somebody has to be top. Enfield, Indian, Triumph, Norton all flatlined and dug up from the grave.
I noticed that you didn't discuss on how Harley Davidson is being generous by putting back the ABS package that they should have left on the bikes , but now have added that cost to the price of the bike . I'm glad that I bought my FLHT in 2019 because now I couldn't afford to purchase one even if I sold the farm .
I think its comical that many of HDs bikes still only have one disc brake! Nobody EVER talks about it and they have been doing it for years. Of all the bikes I have owned, only the Harleys have had a single disk brake!! Comical...
As a Harley owner I was totally dissapointed by the new bikes and prices. I hoped that the Bronx and the 975 Pan America would make their debut to refresh the range, but when we end up talking about paint and a trike you know the event was a washout!. The new pricing will slow sales, and most people I know have said they will not be buying another touring bike when it’s time to change. Looks like Harley’s future is in selling clothes and custom parts alongside low volume manufacturing of bespoke bikes built around 20th century technology. Now we see the vision!.
Nicely done.
I fully agree with you 💯
They are definitely pricing themselves right out of the market. I believe Triumph will definitely outpace them in the cruiser Market and the adventure market for sure
Love my 1995 Heritage Special. But I’m not an interstate rider either.
Where can I get that red HD jacket from? 😅
Thanks Harley corporate for increasing the value of my used bike.
Reckon i'm finished with HD now. When they axted the Dyna, I almost went into a coma..., now the Sportster (the real one) is discontinued! There is nothing left to satify my needs anymore, as everything else, has never been able to exite me (i'm almost 70 years old, and been riding since I was 16).
For the rest of my days now, i'll be surfing the second-hand market every time I want a different Saddel to rest my, still young and aktiv butt on.
Seems to me, Zeitz is, instead of saving HD, only draggin out the final demise of the company, thru resting on HD's laurels, ie. the Name, just like the many British companies did, with their bikes all those years ago!?!!
Greetz to y'all from me, my Sportster 1200 and my Wide Glide in Switzerland.
Greetings! Zeitz is making money for the investors with seemingly no care for the company ten years from now.
I’m a motorcycle guy. The name on the tank has never made my mind up for me. I’ll bet anyone out there that even a true blue balls Harley guy got started riding motorcycles on a Honda or Yamaha or Kawasaki.
Such an awesome package for the breakout, but Jesus Christ. It’s like they can’t release a nice exhaust pipe set up, and the paint scheme on the breakout. And the street bob in my mind 🙄 like really guys. A chrome “Harley Davidson” badge on the tank is perfectly fine
I like my simple cheap evo sportster, but i don't want heated grips or seat, or any fancy features or extra crap. I like a nice old school bike. Royal Enfield 650s look interesting. Harley should compete with that.
I like the new Breakout, I always did like the Breakout but the small tank was an issue. The rest are just the usual Harley paint scheme updates. That said £25 grand UK is a metric shit tonne of money for a bike. It's enough to make a Triumph Rocket 3 look affordable.
I love the new BREAKOUT - if you have a spare 40K - I will buy one.
Thought about getting a Fat Bob next month but nah, I'm not buying another "yesterday's technology at tomorrow's price". I'm going for a Triumph Speedmaster now.
Bike shows used to be so much fun; look at all the hot Japanese superbikes, drink beer, smoke indoors, go over and look at all the hot Harley leather-clad girls. Now, not so much.
I just love your channel. this, Itchy Boots and Fort9 Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Oh, and just as witty.
I thought a 120ci engine would be introduced on the 120th anniversary. Balls to the wall
The only only thing that I'm pleased about is that the Breakout is back, but then, like you said, I can't see me buying a new Harley, so it would have been a used one anyway if I were to pill the trigger on one.
The..uh..Harley Bud Light can ain't helping them either.
I was disappointed too, but for different reasons. I have no problem with Harleys level of technology on their cruisers. How much tech do you need to cruise?
I was hoping to hear that a mid size adventure bike was coming. Also disappointed to find out they dropped the Road King, my favorite Harley. The bikes are beautiful but the prices are ridiculous.
Looks like I'll be keeping my '09 Sportster 1200 Custom forever... that's fine with me.
Yamaha Bolt sunk Harley Davidson like a torpedo.
I llike most your videos; this one I liked the intro and concluding guitar. No blame on you, just I agree regarding Harley. Sad, really
Kudos to HD regarding their 2023 launch event, for NOT trotting out a bunch of Hollywood types, rappers, athletes, politicians, etc. telling us what bikes we should like and buy. I think the core HD customer can figure out what bike appeals to them without some so called celebrity telling us what to think.
Notice the AMF colors at 3:55. Even Harley is going retro LOL
Ohh i like the look of the breakout but I also like the roadglide in that shark grey. Can't afford ANY of them just my stage 4 96 Sporty. But I'm not an American. Americans are rich. I don't know how many channels I have seen with guys with big trucks, nice car, nice house and 3 or 4 Harleys in the garage. The land of milk and honey. I'm also proud to say that I own NOTHING with Harley written on it. Not even my sporty has harley written on it anywhere. Just screaming eagle on the forward cyl head.
As an American,I can assure you that we ain’t rich!
@@verlinswarey507 Ok maybe my statement was an exaggeration. I just remember in the early 20s 9 out of 10 times when we would see a big truck hauling a huge fishing boat or big fifth wheel they had American plates and my friend who worked at a truck stop would tell me about how many were them.
I still have the two t-shirts I got when I bought my Sportster. As for being rich, I wonder if it's less "rich" and more "comfortable with debt." :)
That bike is a masterpiece 😮
💯% agree🤝
you did not mention that they dropped the Standard Road King, and kept the RK Special, which is not as good for touring (shorter suspension)!
I have owned 4 Harleys and they have been very reliable and they have had good resale value. My first was a 1998 Sportster 883 which I rode everywhere for 7 years. I wish I still owned it! I would like to see the return of the 883 Sportster with an eight valve head and tuned to meet current emission standards. Give it improved braking, suspension and cornering clearance and offer it in a basic configeration similar to the Softail Standard and I would buy one. It could be built in the Thai factory and the cost savings could be passed on (joke). There must be a bunch of tooling in one of the H-D factories so start up cost will be reduced. How hard could it be for H-D from an engineering perspective? Marketing usually takes precedence.
I’ve owned all kinds of bikes over the decades. It’s unfortunate that Harley can’t see the Forrest through the trees. They ditched the 500 and 750 street models, cool nimble entry level bikes. No more VRod, Deleted the Dyna line too.and limited the softail lineup as well! The Livewire still exists but not under a Harley badge anymore. I do like the new engine based on the VRod engine. I certainly can’t afford a new Harley..I love my 93 springer with its Evo engine and 5 speed Trans and normal sized tires! I hope Harley will change their business model!
One more thing to look forward to the new year is your roasting on HD! I enjoy this and like giving a roasting my friends that still won't buy a new HD but are all about it. Anyways, a shame and a let down. HD needs to step up on getting more horsepower and torq out of their baseline bikes (because you know it's a premium bike) You go anywhere else and you get that. The colors are cool but really there is a saying. All they did was polish a turd. I hope for HD success but don't see anyone running and getting one. Just like last year. Especially for today's prices. Wish them well. Hasta luego!
I put a Stage 2 in my 2014 Ultra,and that's more than enough to put a smile on my face. I can't see buying new anything with our current economy ! I like my money to stay close to me these days.
Thanks! Fortunately the used market is full of nice bikes that are already loaded with accessories for much lower prices than new.
Agree with your video 💯 , we share the same POV…
Seems to me what is missing from the HD line up is a real middle weight cruiser. I guess you could say they had one in the sportster but I was okay with it going. Underpowered and just old.
Maybe the nightster was that bike but not a middle weight cruiser in my mind.
What do women and men over 60 or 70 for that matter find in the HD line up? There an under 1000 cc water cooled engine but where is it in cruiser style bike? And maybe at a price point that matches middle weight.
The Forty-Eight was a nice bike. Couldn't meet Euro emissions but still could be sold in the States and Canada. Plus, owners didn't care if it was underpowered. You could make it go as fast as you wanted.
Breakout when said and done out the door around $26,000 to 28,000 what a joke 100hp 117.
I bought a Indian Scout Rogue out the door $18,268 100 hp nicer looking fast and saved $10,000.
Done with Harley Davidson completely.
Harley became the royal Enfields of 2000,selling more motorcycle than products, but one day they will definitely know for sure,selling motorcycle is the primary target.
I agree 100%. The accessories packages are higher priced too. I guess they want paid to put them into a package.
a long time ago, harley riders started coming together, forming clubs and communities. helping each other out and just making it a really good community to be part of. now fast fwd to 2023 and harley's attitude is pretty much "we can do whatever we want, and we can charge whatever we want. don't like it? too bad. go buy a triumph or an indian then... but guess what? you are out of the club"
I wonder how much of a dealer markup (bribe). will the dealers want to let you buy an anniversary model?
I'm surprised they are still i business ive owned Harley Davison but besides being a gorgeous bike there heavy underpowered uncomfortable unbalanced chunk of steel BUT dam they are beautiful. Did I mention how Beautiful Harley is and thats the facts and all I can say . Oops forgot to mention they are very very very very expensive. And you still have to spend thousands to make them rideable with out making me feel like I just had back surgery.
HD same old same old. I'm a Evo owner. They have not made a bike ,that would invite me to upgrade.
You meet the nicest people on a Honda....., just saying!
Yeah, like my wife.
To be fair the Sportster S has abs braking PLUS ABS cornering braking. Also, the Sportster just doesn't have traction control, it has cornering traction control. No Goldwing has these two cornering technologies yet, BMW does , but not Honda.
WOW....great insight! Your integrity here was recently validated by HD's abysmal first quarter financials just released . The "LiveWire" is a DeadWire, investment wise and a real boat anchor for HD... Dealers were getting over $60000 for the 2023 CVO anniversary. To put this into perspective, you could buy a 2023 Triumph Rocket III with a balanced and blueprinted liquid cooled motor for well under $30000 out the door and never need to upgrade the motor for more power...Yes, Harley Davidsons are nice looking and their cosmetics are next to none, however, I'm not interested in cruisers or touring bikes that lacks liquid cooling and aren't balanced and blueprinted from the factory..
As a old EVO owner n retired now ,I plan on keeping it till I can't hold it up anymore, New Harleys have always been too expensive n always bought used, never been a big wage earner. Yes I would like to see more lower priced n smaller less weighty n more EVO sounding, till then just like I mentioned. Maybe a Honda perhaps. P.s. never been a 3 wheeler fan.
I would only consider a Bronx. For now I'll stick with my Triumphs.
"What do you wanna see comin out of Milwaukee??"
More bikes from Royal Enfiled North America HQ in Milwaukee plz!