Still Relevant? Raven Arms MP-25 - TheFirearmGuy
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I had one. It is no longer relevant except for a paperweight and conversation piece on what not to buy. Stay safe Dan
There are open carry guns, concealed carry guns, pocket carry guns and finally, like the Phoenix/Raven (and my Bauer) .25ACP hideout guns. Easy to hide in the tighty-whities. So, as strictly a last-ditched hideout gun (watch out for slide bite), yes, it's still relevant - a little - maybe.😎
if it's not 100% functional it's insignificant ....
Browning himself invented the 25 ACP to be a more reliable alternative to the 22 rim fire cartridge. If this had a larger thumb safety I could see it being relevant. But as it is, not relevant. The 380 LCP and LCP 2 are plenty small with a lot more power. LCP Max only a little larger with more capacity.
My dad got one of these back in the 80s. He still has it and it's just sitting in his gun safe... probably unfired since the 80s, too. lol
I would say it's still relevant as a collectors piece for cheap mouse guns of the past...as niche of a group that may be.
In the late 80's a state police officer was shot point blank in the chest during a traffic stop with a small .25 not too far from where I live. I always assumed it was a raven. What I remember is he always wore his vest, except on that day he chose not to. It cost him his life. There's still a marker on the highway where it happened. The guy who did it is still in prison.
I own the raven. It didn't work when I bought it off gun broker, but my buddy is a gunsmith, and he fixed it. I own it because I'm a collector. I would never carry it because I don't feel it would be reliable. It is fun to play with, but 25 acp is ridiculously expensive. So, I guess it's relevant for me as a collector.
ANY Handgun that can be used for self defense IS relevant!
I got one in 70s in 22 caliber. That pistol was unworldly accurate!! My
brother was consistantly hitting a leaf floating down stream up to 50
yards. The other 2 super accurate pistols I had was an RG38 and a
Ballister Molina 45 acp 1911, perfect trigger pull and super accurate!
Yup, sold them and learned about "hindsight"!
Very cool piece of American history. I understand that my great grandfather carried one in his overalls front pocket. I can't imagine why he would have needed a 25 on the farm...who knows...
I thought it was one of those "movie lighters" that looks like a gun😂😂😂!
I bought one in 1985, was my second gun and it jammed all the time so I got a Jennings J22 and had better luck.
I use mine as a paper weight. Interesting conversation starter.
For myself, I'd say a big fat "no" on this gun, but I can't make that judgement for other people. Years ago at the range, a young man took the station next to me and started shooting a little Lorcin. In talking to the guy I learned that he worked full-time in fast food, and that Lorcin was all he could afford. So a gun that's irrelevant to me had all the relevance in the world to him. While I don't want a Raven or any of its knock-offs, they do serve an important function in the market.
Yep, Kimber is too expensive. I have a FIE Titan in 25. Ran two clips through it to verify my repairs and put it away. Took two to get enough parts to make one. I agree with the Hi Point of it's day statement. Nice job Dan.
These were known as " SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIALS " , aka throw away guns, or throw down guns after a shooting. Ask any old school cop an they will tell you all about them. Either way they were cheap, now everyone has switched to better guns, even the bangers.
I still have the one I purchased in 1988 for $45. Not even 50 rounds through it. I still carry it occasionally.
Yep, and it is most likely the gun you will have with you. Paul Harrell , on you tube, a gun expert actually carries a Beretta 21-A ,25 ACP, although he carries a J frame Smith, airweight a lot.
I actually carried a Beretta .25 , as Director of Security for a large hospital, back in the day. It had to be completely hidden and the .25 fit the need.
Relevant...there are a very few people that still carry this gun...we carry a Jetfire in .25acp, so it's not the caliber...we went to an auction a couple years ago to bid on this gun, but the bidding got too high for us, winning bid $140.00 (for a gun you could buy for $40.00 brand new way back then)...the Raven isn't built amazingly well, or out of the best material, but the gun seems to run, usually...that 'usually' means there are folks in the graveyard from both ends of this gun...if we had won the auction, we might be carrying the little thing today, but honestly the Beretta much better...I'd bet there might some of these guns, sitting loaded for 40+ years, in bedroom drawers around the country, never fired, the hi point of the very poor...
I have a bauer .25 which basically is the the same thing I carry it as a backup every once in awhile so yeah I'd say it's still relevant! Thanks dan!
I read they weren’t reliable so I never got one but I totally love pocket pistols of all sorts. Thank you!
Its a piece..... Of history.. Still have one in 22lr and a Jennings 32ACP from back in the day. I like those old clunkers made out of zinc diecast. Both of mine are still functional but not been loaded and fired in 30+ years..
Saturday nite special for sure! I'd buy one for nostalgia. Would not carry it.
Cool little relic of a bygone era... be fun to have as a novelty, but not much else.
Ehhh I like my Seacamp more
I have one too. I also own a Titan and a Jimenez 380.
Bought one for my wife a few years ago at a gun show, with the plastic pearl grip. Her dad had the wood grip version. We don't take it out much, but we put several rounds thru it without any hang-ups. Great little gun.
Never had one but i have an early Colt 1908 25acp vest pocket that i refurbished. Put 100 rounds through it with no issues. That one is relavent. Not sure about this one.
I have actually wished that Ruger would have made a version of the LCP/LCPII in .32 ACP. I have since given up on that idea, for the simple fact that it ain't gonna happen.
Great little guns! My dad always had one when I was a kid, I’ve bought a couple over the years, never had any problems with em if clean with good mag, it’s a fast 6+1 25acp pistol that hits where you aim, probably the best cheap
Pocket pistol. I think it’s still good today, great little pocket gun or one you can leave it truck or something like that. For the money it’s perfect stash gun.
I believe the raven is relevant because of the trend for smaller guns is stoking interest in these and other mouse guns.I have some of the best .380,9mm,357and .45 handguns you can buy,and i love each and every one of them.But, i recently bought a new hp22a just for the challenge of making it run like my "good" guns.Polish the feed ramp,fix the safety system to work normal,Mcarbo recoil and trigger/sear springs,hold open followers for the mags,and it feeds and fires anything i put through it and is nonstop fun.However when i picked it up at my LGS i noticed a little beretta 950b 25acp in the used case.After fixing up the hp22 successfully i had to go back and get it.$225 in very good condition and after a little research found out it was born the same year as me,1964! works perfectly,almost too perfect for what i have gone through on extremely more expensive guns in the past.So the day i go to pick it up there is another new arrival, a colt 1908 25acp made in 1925! seemed complete,but with the blueing worn off and if i have to buy some 25acp anyways,what the heck.It is 99 years old and also works perfectly just like the beretta.Problem is when i picked it up last monday there was another new arrival in the case,a late 60's astra cub 25acp in excellent condition in its original box! Cant stop thinking about it. Are these guys playing me or am i just sick? I need help.
Love the uniqueness of this segment.
Thanks Joe
I had the Davis version in 32 ACP many moons ago. It was more of a conversation piece than anything else, but I’d plink a few empty soda cans with it every now and then on the farm just for kicks. It would usually go bang, but it wasn’t something I’d even remotely consider reliable enough to depend on.
Several of us purchased the Raven Arms 25. This was back in the early 80's, the gun & a box of ammo was $52 out the door!
It was a blast to play with, but alas the novelty wore off quickly and it has been lost in the few moves in the last 40 years or so.
Not Relevant, but certainly a fond memory!
Living my best La Vida Loca here in south eastern Arizona
I just took my MP25 to the range and it is accurate though not the most reliable. Not relevant but fun to shoot. My Phoenix HP22A is accurate, reliable and eats everything I feed it. The HP22A is a good pistol and still relevant I believe. Thanks for the video and keep shooting 😊.
Bought a Jennings J-22, mid 80s, chrome w/beautiful wood grips (Teak?). $62 otd. Used to keep it in my tackle box. Handy for the errant serpent, and surprisingly quite accurate (within 10ft) & reliable when properly lubed! Yeah, still have it, never carried it, conversation piece now. But still goes bang!
I have a Raven MP-25 but it was an original, not made by Phenix, and it looks identical to the one you have here. It shoots and functions flawlessly as long as Im careful not to let the slide make contact with my shooting grip, which will cause it not to fully return to battery.
Is it still relevant? Yes, an no. To me, it is relevant as a piece of gun history, in that while may have armed a lot of thugs and criminals, it also allowed low income citizens to protect themselves because of the affordability.
If I wasnt able and didn't own several much more viable options I would certainly feel better with it than with nothing, but, as is pointed out in this video this isn't a gun made to withstand hundreds of rounds put through it, and small edc guns require lots of practice.
At any rate I like mine very much and Im going to keep it 😉
I had a pocket 25 many many years ago. It was very bad. Thanks for the video....😀👍
For collecting, it's cool.
2 years ago I bought a Raven. My wife shoots it quite often and carries it as a backup. Good gun so far.
Good sto hear Kirk
I have the HP-22A , it’s pretty nice 🙂
Remember my father had a handful of the ravens back in the 80's in his collection. They called them Maypops, it may pop off a round or pop off your hand was the joke.
I carry a Jetfire. But thinking of getting a Seecamp, or a baby browning. If you had to choose between a Seecamp or baby which way would you go.
I enjoy these videos.
I appreciate that. Floyd
No Way Jose! Too Many Good Options In a Pocket that works!
Nice to see you feature a low cost, low caliber hardly known older pocket pistol. 22lr is more effective than 25 auto do on that it's a collectable but not much more in my opinion. Thanks for the video.
Nice single shot gun fine piece of equipment.
Love these videos !!!!! Any gun you have when you need it is relevant.
It may not be the Best Choice, but it is relevant !!!
Nobody wants to be shot at !!! I have never been asked what caliber is that ??? When I have had to make my buddies presence known. The troublemakers always just left. No questions, they just left !!!
Did I say they just left without asking questions ???
Just checking !!!
Please keep these wonderful videos coming !!! They are VERY RELEVANT !!!!! 😊😊😊
But Hey, That’s Just My Two Cents !!!!!
I've got Bauer Firearms .25 ACP. It is brilliant in its quality and design. The Raven (In my humble opinion) is a cheaper knock-off version that tried to latch onto the .25 ACP niche by mimicking the Bauer stainless steel look.
Is it still relevant? Well, it certainly wouldn't be my 1st choice for concealed carry but, it does shoot a 50-grain projectile at around 700 ft/sec. I suppose if I were on the receiving end of that projectile it would become VERY relevant.
BTW... you can find .25 ACP ammo online for around 38 cents/rnd.
soft firing pins [ break ] replacement all steel cheap , if you have one replace it
>You could buy one at the hardware store for $40!
I was about to say, this reminds me of those crappy little Jennings/Bryco ghetto gut guns at the pawn shop for $60.
I have a Lorcin25 which but its essentially the same gun. Surprisingly, it’s very reliable. I wouldn’t shoot it a lot or carry with a round in the chamber, but better than nothing.
Used to have one of those just like the one with the wooden grips and the stainless, with the black slide safety. Pocket carried it for a long time specially when working retail and doing bank drops, until I upgraded to a .45 ACP. Funny story one night I came home from work and was waiting on the dog to walk and I walked outside next to a telephone pole. There was a big overgrown bush there at the time. I had that thing in my pocket locked and loaded inside a small carry holster. For some reason I felt danger and I look to the right and in the semi-darkness, a large rat as long as your arm had walked up on a sturdy limb of this bush, and was no more than a foot and a half away from me. He had a pretty good size mouth and big buck teeth in the front, and he was chattering something; I have no idea what he was talking about. In the split second I saw this, he stood up on his hind legs and started to motion with his front feet like he was getting ready to jump on to me. I'm back paddling about 1 ft, drew and fired in one motion, probably about a foot away from its head, and I missed it. There was a flame about a foot long that came out the end of the barrel and lit up the whole area, including the rat's face. 😮 Its mouth hanging open in total surprise, it actually screamed, turned and ran back down the bush. WTH? I stoid there in shock for a second that I actually missed it from a foot away, and more so that it screamed at me, since I didn't know that was possible. 😂 So is it effective yes, it'll scare the hell out of a two-legged or a four-legged rat. If you sent it back to the factory like mine was, and they happened to fluff and buff and polish the feed ramp and part of the inside barrel then it was reliable. The slide safety took some effort to push into the fire position, so I never worried about it actually going off inside the holster in the pocket. It actually had some heft of weight, making it easy to fire, or able to be used for a club if you run out of ammo. I remember living on a farm growing up somebody tried to break into one of our buildings one night and the only thing I could think of to grab going out the door was that little bitty 25. The guy went running down through the yard and the barn past an old 2010 John Deere tractor, and I let him have all six rounds just for good measure. Wasn't taking aim to hit him, but I did manage to nick the tractor a couple of times off the metal and that sent him scurrying even faster. Well the bad guys find out when you shoot at them they don't want to come back. Especially if you happen to know a few of them are around and set up a few cinder blocks and shoot them all to pieces with a 44 Magnum. Even the old farmer across the street was handy with a 12-gauge if somebody was breaking into his property. Sounds like something that would only happen in the city, but out in rural areas of the country houses get broke into all the time, so you have to be vigilant neighbor watching out for each other. It usually happens in the daytime, by someone that knows your routine. Watch out for rats and keep your peashooter handy.
Great story Richard! I loved reading it. Thanks for sharing your experiences
Relevant as edc, no. Relevant as a collector piece, yes
It reminds me of a 1970s detective TV show bad guy gun
I bought one a couple years ago for $60, an original Raven 25.
Mister Saturday Night Special, got a barrel that's blue and cold. That ain't good for nothin' but puttin' men six feet in a hole.
Father in law had one back in the 70s. Prone to slide bite.
I shot a friend’s pistols just like that. They were his grandfather’s and grandmother’s guns. One was in .25 and the other in .32. Both had very heavy triggers that made it difficult to hold any type of group. Not relevant.
Had a pair of Raven .25's with faux Pearl Grips that were given to me as a Birthday present. Shot a couple boxes of ammo through them and did not much care for them.
Later did a partial trade of them for a Colt King Cobra. I still have that Colt! With all of the good pocket sized .380's out there, I would say no longer relevant.
Same as a Jennings or davis industries Saturday night special. It's realivant due to it made a great story about where THE FU_K DID YOU GET THAT AND WHY story
My buddy got a Sundance 25 in the late 80s. Shot it for the first time this summer, first mag and the end of the slide cracked off. We had a laugh though. Not relevant, although I've always kind of liked the ring of fire guns.
There’s a reason big K changed the name of their product line constantly
👍👍It might be relevant to some people but I wouldn’t buy one and the ammo is hard to find and extremely high. But I will say that any gun someone has and can shoot accurately is better than not having one. Thanks Dan.
Relevant, yes. I still have mine after all these years. Shoots well, at close range of course. lol It's an underrated caliber.
When the ammo is worth more than the gun, sad. I wish manufacturers would make more odd ball ammo
While I've never owned any, I do love those Saturday night specials. Made from the same metal as Matchbox cars. 🤣🤣🤣
Haha love it Jen
Not a fan myself. There`s better inexpensive options. imo
The pistol that got me into guns. Used to buy and trade them when i was a teenager. Was about $25 to $50. They are for using and tossing before ya run home😅
Kimber: expensive, will it work? Poor resale value. My thoughts when I hear their name.
Relevant for it's size and as a novelty/range toy/piece of history collectible. Too bad it cost more to shoot than a micro 9 that can also be pocket carried.
Generally, I would say any firearm is still relevant. But, maybe not this one. Great content, Dan!
Classic " Saturday night special" I saw a video a few years ago where a guy fixed all the bugs that caused it to always jam and misfire. Definitely was not a very reliable or accurate pistol in it's day, but many people carried them around .
Bought one many years ago for under $100 and still have it after all these years. It sits in my safe, but it's been reliable for me in all the times I put rounds through it. Definitely not something to seek out and buy nowadays though since you can get 380 and 9mm in the same size from almost every manufacturer
Relevant IF....you could get it for under 100 bucks. Not a primary carry gun though. Just something to play with or backup or deep concealment maybe. I had an uncle that carried one. Love this series
Thanks so much Chris
Beretta storm.great pistol for the money. Best I say.😊😊😊🎉
Pretty much going back in the cocaine days for local survival.. save me going down for the last time...
I sure thought it was relevant back when I was in college (long walk back to my cheap apartment through troubled neighborhoods). I practiced with mine when I could afford extra ammo, and I can't ever remember a problem at all. I can't recall what happened to it (55 years ago), but with the scarcity of ammo nowadays, and better choices in little pocket guns, this little guy is no longer relevant. Wish I could find another tho.
1000's of dudes in the Hood swear by those!🤣
Primary carry absolutely no, truck gun or bathroom gun (lol) absolutely
Relevant as a piece of history, yes. Relevant as a self defense carry gun, probably not. The gun itself was inexpensive which sounds nice for people on a strict budget but 25acp ammunition can be a bit pricey and it doesn't have that much power to it.
I think the Raven is still relevant.
25ACP might not be lethal.
But we are only supposed to use it to stop the attack. Anything else that happens, ow well.
Watching you handle the guns made me realize that your thumbs don't look anything like my thumbs, which is weird because we probably share 97% DNA.
It's definitely still relevant...... as a crime scene drop gun....
Still a good throw down weapon. Thats all its good for.
Outside of collections get a baby browning or Baretta Tomcat
It’s better than empty beer Bottle
I carried one of these back in the 70s when I was young, dumb and full of you know what. Back then they were considered okay, with today's modern guns this goes into the junk pile. Just my 2 cents.
You could make the argument for a YES but it's too unreliable.
Never even considered one
Too funny bro. I don't blame you
All Kimbers are over priced
My mother-in-law had a Raven in 22LR, it was way too small for my hand
Gonna say not relevant
It’s relevance is historical
I traded a switchblade for one when I was 14 the thing was very unreliable
A "get off me" gun.
Have to say no to this firearm, but a thumbs 👍🏻 up for you as always.
Have a good one.
My father’s backup patrol gun. Terrible but cheap, but terrible.
Obsolete collector’s item.
Good old Saturday night special. Reminds me of my old Jennings J22
That’s an easy hard pass!😂
Not going to lie I’ve only seen them in videos. Never seen one in person from what I’ve seen I would pass on them. Based on the videos I’ve seen