Big difference with Chicago is th Sauk Tribe actually backs the team and the name celebrating one of their leaders so the liklihood that Chicago will change name is almost zero. This is the same for the Florida State University Seminoles as their tribe backs the name of the team as well.
Talk about teams moving away, I live roughly between the Winnipeg Jets and Minnesota wild. My dad likes to mention how he lost both of his hockey teams. They’re both back so we’ll call it even
From Chicago, i think blackhawks was the only team name that honored the native american culture. Cleveland logo was a redskinned caricature and washington was literally the redskins. Blackhawks logo is respectful and beautiful. one of the best in sports imo
The difference between the Blackhawks names and other teams is that the hawks don’t use a derogatory term as the name and it is instead named after someone
About the Blackhawks name...unlike the Indians and Redskins, it doesn't seems to be a pejorative term and the origin with the name of a military corps as well a a native chief i think is pretty respectful. It's a team with a lot of history so i doubt the name will be change...plus it has one of the best logo of the league and most of the jersey are badass both in color and style ! Only positive here so i have little doubts...
If anything I can just see the logo being changed, but not the name, but also I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t just bc the ad revenue or attention the NHL gets its bigger than then the other leagues
You do have ONE example in British football of a team relocating (with great controversy): The Milton Keynes Dons. Franchise relocation is a thing in North America. The NHL, NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball, have all had franchises relocate. Lower (minor) leagues often relocate every four or five years. We've just gotten used to it. In my case, I'm a beneficiary: Atlanta wouldn't support their Flames, so they moved to my city of Calgary and won a Stanley Cup here :)
I understand the reaction some indigenous people have re: the "Cleveland Indians", the "Washington Redskins", the "Edmonton Eskimos", the "Atlanta Braves" - because they're appropriating a culture. But Black Hawks (or Blackhawks) is different: they're honouring a specific MAN, a great leader, a man of courage and conviction. This should not be cancelled.
34:30 part of the reason why Calgary kept the name calgary flames was that it also fit in with a historic occurrence that happened in calgary. in 1886 a massive fire broke out in the town center of calgary which devastated the city's infrastructure and many businesses. The city to prevent another fire like it, passed a law that all government buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. be built out of readily available sandstone. many of those sandstone buildings still stand strong today and many have been incorporated into modern buildings built around them. this is also why one of calgary's many nicknames is the "sandstone city".
About Franchise moving...Québec city and Winnipeg were pretty much the city that was hurt the most from team moving...Québec even more because it was at the end of a rebuild and literally the year they moved to Colorado, they won the Stanley cup. Winnipeg got the Jets back from the Trashers but to this day, each time there is talk about a potential team moving or expansion, Québec city always come back in the discussions...it's a sore subject and for all the year the team was in the league, it was a major rival to the Montréal Canadiens and some of the series game were legendary !!
If you want a fun logo fact, the Seattle Kraken logo being an S is a reference to one of Seattle's old professional hockey teams, the Seattle Metropolitans, who in 1917 became the first American team to ever win the Stanley Cup. Their logo was a large S (for Seattle), and the Kraken's arena even has a banner honoring the team and their Stanley Cup win, which is why the Kraken logo is also a large S (although obviously stylized to be more menacing and octopus-y)
I can tell you fans are not using happy about losing a team. We went through that when the original Jets left for Arizona and fans were not happy. In fact there was a large rally downtown to try and save the Jets. Naturally everyone was delighted when we got a team back many years later and even more so when it was announced they would once again be the Jets. I know the people in Minnesota went through the same thing as we did though without any rally. Funny enough when the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg they held a laughably small rally there.
A lot of us were pretty angry in Minnesota. Losing the North Stars sucked pretty hard. There isn’t a bigger hockey fan base anywhere in the US than Minnesota. From a cultural perspective, there’s not a ton of difference between a lot of Canadians and northern Minnesotans.
@Mert -- ignore the bit at 2:06 about the Canadiens. He did get the spelling right but the CH stands for "le Club de hockey Canadien" which is where the CH crest comes from. Common misconception but a quick google search would have helped the creator there. At least he didn't make the other oft-repeated mistake of saying the H is for Habs or Habitants. Loving your content since you started dipping in the hockey pool, a warm hello from Canada.
An irony of course, with the Pittsburgh Penguins playing in an Igloo, as there are no Penguins in the Arctic, and there are no Igloos in the Antarctic, lol.
My best friend lives in Las Vegas so I’ve been out there a lot. Despite what most nhl fans think there is a huge fan base in Vegas. It’s amazing to see how the local youth hockey programs have grown too. Even tho I’m on the other side of the country I am still a Vegas fan cause of my buddy but also cause I’m interested in design and that was the first new team since I watched the sport. I payed attention to the creative designs and I loved what they did
In the Original Six days, the teams would play each other 10 or later 14 times per season (plus playoffs), so the intense rivalries that define the NHL had plenty of time to grow naturally.
Mert, you should check out Gretzky's greatest goals and the Mario Lemieux (lah-MYU) greatest goals. Mario would have been the greatest if he hadn't injured hos back and then got cancer. But, then, check out the 2 of them playing together in the Canada Cup. Insane. And surprisingly enough, no egos.
Hey @Mert, this video neglected a HUGE part of Vancouver Canucks were previously the Vancouver Millionaires, & they won the Stanley Cup as the Millionaires before they joined the NHL. You can look up the Millionaires jerseys/uniform, it's beautiful! Cream & maroon are the colours
The Vancouver Millionaires and the Vancouver Canucks are two completely different franchises that had nothing to do with each other. The Millionaires folded in 1926. Noone who played for the Millionaires played for the Canucks.
I've gone my whole life thinking that the Mighty Ducks in the movie were named after the hockey team, I never would've thought it was the other way around.
As a Native American (Well, Canadian) myself, the Blackhawks team name is the least egregious of the other ones mentioned (Cleveland and Washington) since it's not named after any sort of derogatory or taboo term. I see no reason to change it since the name has a normal history like a lot of the other teams on here.
Also, for the Coyotes section, the logo you like is based on the old Native American art style of the area. And as for the name change to Arizona instead of Phoenix, it hasn't done much for support, they've always had a hard time. They currently play in a 5000 seat college arena (Regular NHL arena size is around 20 000) though they're trying to get a new one built.
While I as a white guy can’t really comment on whether or not something that has to do with indigenous people is offensive or not, I have always been of the opinion in these debates that context, language, and imagery are extremely important in these conversations. I have also considered the Blackhawks in particular one of the least abrasive. There is no outright mention or reference of ethnicity in the team name, the team is indirectly named after a specific individual rather than an entire demographic, and the logo itself is not a ridiculous caricature of a native person like Chief Wahoo. There are ways to make these references without demeaning entire races and cultures, we just need to communicate more on what is appropriate and what is not for a setting like sports.
Re: your question about the Vegas Golden Knights, yes a lot of people were skeptical, but they sold out every night. And then, in their VERY FIRST YEAR, they went all the way to the Stanley Cup Final (which, alas, they lost). So yeah, they're super popular :)
It's funny when you see the original six name history and how much they had financial problem in the 30's and 40's...Long story short, Maurice "Rocket" Richard of the Montréal Canadiens and Gordie Howe of the Detroit Red Wings ( both number 9) pretty much saved the league by being so god damn spectacular, bringing more attendees. The other team kinda follow in trying to compete and the league just went to another level in the 50's !!
I think the blackhawks did it right, and it wont change. No slurs, or incorrect nomentclature. just paying respect to a historically important native American.
I’m N.A., and I take no offense at all to team names surrounding my culture. In fact, I take it as a compliment. You want to name your team something strong, fierce and iconic. Funnily enough, my family feels the same way. I think it’s just bored housewives with nothing to do who think these things should change. They need to get a hobby
In NHL the video game if you make custom teams and change the Seals logo from yellow to white, from green to red, it looks a lot like a joint. Introducing the Golden State Blazers ;)
Could not plan this shit Sitting in my truck, taking a break, sort of near an airport As soon as he starts talking about the Winnipeg Jets and the meaning , a plane takes off in front of me 😂😂😂. Gotta love it !
People think the Blackhawks is offense but unlike some other sports, it’s not an offensive term used as it’s name. They’re named after a real person, and the fans respect it’s history very much, at the United Center every game they play a video during pregame to honor Native Americans.
Love hockey, an eternal hawks fan here. Loved the names origins. On a side note, you would love the video going viral recently called" uk troops lay British soldier killed in us 250 years ago" he died during the revolutionary war and the beautiful, honorable, and respectful service was a true show of brothers in arms we are now, I think you'd particularly love the Highlands angle. Thanks for the video and commentary
Regarding team relocation: This is regarding an MLB team moving. When my dad was a kid, he was a big fan of the Brooklyn Dodgers. When they moved to LA in 1958, he stopped following baseball altogether.
Haven't read all the comments, but has anyone mentioned Keith Olbermann's piece (available here on YT) about there not *being* an "original 6"? The Montreal Canadiens are the only team which pre-dates the NHL, being the only team that joined the nascent NHL that was in existence before, during and continues to exist uninterrupted since 1909. He explains that the "original" teams weren't the same now as in 1917, although the geography mostly works. There was a Toronto team in 1917, but not the Maple Laffs (what Canadiens' fans call the "Leafs") Same for the 4 other *originals* It may seem like the NHL is mostly American-based, but for decades the NHL offices were in the Sun Life building in Montreal. p/s: The Sun Life Building was at one time the tallest one in the Commonwealth. Quite fitting for an NHL commissioner who rewards the season's best team with Lord Stanley's cup!
When the St. Louis football Cardinals moved to Arizona, they still showed every Cardinal game on TV. I think that lasted for at least 3 years, maybe more. I can't remember. I didn't follow them when they moved even though I loved them in St. Louis. I had season tickets during the Coryell years.
Would love to see a "logo tier list" video! About the relocations: Honestly my interest in hockey would probably drop by half if the team I support moved somewhere else. It's unlikely to happen though, the Canadiens are never ever moving! There may be some movement still though, the Coyotes being the most likely candidate. Their situation is terrible, they don't really make money and their arena is garbage. Some say they could come back to Quebec (replace the Nordiques that became the Avalanche), but I'm not sure that's likely, the league wants to expand in the US more than in Canada.
The thing to note is that (if I understand right), many cities in England have some sort of Soccer/Football team that is affiliated with the top league in the country, and could theoretically make it there if they invest enough money and win enough. That's not the case in America, since we don't have a relegation system. The NHL is the top league with an unchanging 32 teams, and then there's the AHL, which also has 32 teams, all of which are directly affiliated with an NHL parent club who can send players between the two teams as necessary. Then there's the ECHL below that, which I believe also has a similar affiliation system, though maybe not as direct as with the AHL. Because the system is different, you have to move the team to where the money is, since there's not just going to be an existing team to buy and then pump money into. You've got limited slots, and if one of the teams isn't making money, it's better to move it.
In the pecking order of revenue: 1.) NFL (32 USA teams); big drop to 2.) MLB (29 USA teams + 1 Canadian team); 3.) NBA (29 USA teams + 1 Canadian team); big drop to 4.) NHL (25 USA teams + 7 Canadian teams); big drop to 5.) MLS (26 USA teams + 3 Canadian teams); 6.) CFL (all Canadian teams).
Moving the North Stars was a nightmare for Minnesotans. Minnesota is arguably THE center of the US hockey universe. Last I checked, a quarter of the American hockey players in the NHL are from Minnesota.
Since you appreciate the fan aspect so much (and since I’m a DC native and a Caps fan since I could skate) please check out the crowd in DC when they FINALLY won the Stanley Cup in 2018. Even if it’s not one of the videos you react to, you should take a look just as someone who really appreciates what fans bring to sports.
lol nothing has increased the support of the Arizona team which currently doesn't even have an arena and may be moving to Houston sooner rather than later if they can't sort out their mess.
Re: teams moving. Look up Save the Crew. I believe (don’t hate me if I’m wrong) it’s the only time fans in the US have prevented a team from relocating.
Yeah all the Arizona logos are great. It’s too bad he didn’t show the original logos of teams that moved. The Northstars, Nordiques and Whalers logos are great. The Whalers’ one has a hidden image like the FedEx logo.
Crazy that the Kraken got so far in this years playoffs. Stars just eliminated them last night. The final 4 teams are currently Dallas vs Vegas in the west and Carolina vs Florida in the east.
Actually the Colorado Avalance was almost named thr Rocky Mountain Extreme until it was leajed in the Denver post, where a last minute change to the current name
About teams being relocated, it's not an NHL team, but my Local American Hockey League (NHL Farm league) team, the Norfolk Admirals, had the longest winning streak of any hockey team in any league, won the Calder Cup (AHL's Stanley Cup,) and then were promptly shipped off to San Diego two years later because their affiliate team changed from Tampa to Anaheim. It sucked so hard, to go from feeling on top of the world to literally not even having team, and I wasn't about to become a San Diego Gulls fan. They eventually came back, albeit as a member of the ECHL, which is a step below the AHL, and they've been dog water since then.
Re: your comments on the Devils and why they kept at it rather than just folding: because if you keep trying, sometimes you win at the end. The New Jersey Devils, formerly the Colorado Rockies and Kansas City Scouts, won the Stanley Cup in 1995, 2000, and 2003, and are one of my fave teams (after the Flames and the Bruins lol)
The original six seems like a small league, but geographically it's pretty big Montreal-Boston is over 500kms, and tis would have been at time when travel was relatively difficult. Hockey season being in the winter made it more difficult still. Competitions to name teams are a good way to build excitement and get publicity for a coming franchise.
In regards to the Chicago Blackhawks' name, as a Native American, my experience is 99% of Native Americans have absolutely no issue with the name and in fact, quite a few of us are proud. It is not a derogatory word. The folks that have a problem with it are 99.9% non Native and woke and really don't have anything better to do with their time other than stick their beaks into things that 100% do not concern them at all. That of course is my opinion, but I don't feel that I am far off of the mark. Cheers!
The Blackhawks have "paid" the Sac and Fox tribes for the use of the name. They not only financially support the tribes, they also physically help the tribes and fete them regularly for decades.
Personally I think the name "Blackhawks" is fine.. Though it might get changed anyway someday, because that's how these things go. If the name was racist or anything sure, but it's homage to a military division, which itself was an homage to a native american guy. (Anyway, the name is probably the least controversial thing about the Blackhawks lately! If you haven't heard about it, google "Blackhawks scandals" - and that may just be the tip of the iceberg).
The Montreal Canadiens, also known as the Habs, are one of the most storied franchises in the NHL. Their ceremonies for players past and present are second to none..even for players on other teams are honoured. In Montreal, hockey is a religion, as proven by only a few of these videos worth checking out. Top 10 of History of Montréal Canadiens - RUclips Saku Koivu Returns From Cancer Ovation (04-09-2002) - RUclips Montreal Gives Saku Koivu A Standing Ovation In His Last Game In Montreal - October 25th, 2013 - RUclips Canadiens Tribute P.K. Subban's Return to Montreal - RUclips Canadiens Honour Guy Lafleur With Touching Pre-Game Ceremony - RUclips Last game at the Montreal Forum - Maurice Rocket Richard ovation - RUclips
I’m still a fan of a team that moved to another city. The Cleveland then Los Angeles then St. Louis and back to Los Angeles Rams of the NFL. It’s was devastating when my team moved back to LA in 2016. But, as much as I hate the owner, Stan Kroenke (also owner of Arsenal), I’ve loved the team and players since I was 5. Others tell me I should support Kansas City because it’s the only other team in Missouri. But I feel nothing for this other city or even the state of Missouri. Lol.
i highly recommend you watching the free full game replay here on youtube of the colorado avalanche against the toronto maple leafs from the 8. Jan 2022- it really shows you how incredibly exiting modern ice hockey really is! as mentioned before it is very similar to soccer but improves every aspect of this sport - you get all l the action of a 90 minute soccer game in just minutes of nhl ice hockey
Today I was randomly wondering why I hadn't seen a single recommended video from Mert in what seemed to me a long while. Nearly three months without an upload after such a strong start, hope everything is alright man.
If a team can’t stay profitable the league and the other teams can’t be expected to subsidizing solve a team moves. It’s because the fan base is not supporting him. It makes sense you don’t keep failing. Business is up and running.
For Blackhawks they don't really need to change their name to show respect to Native Americans but if they want to remove the trope altogether like the Guardians did... then they should use black hawks instead of Black Hawk as their team logos.
Hi just wanted to say that the best hockey goalkeepers was carey price who recently stop playing. Please can you do a reaction to his beat save🙏. It would be very appreciated🙏🙏
are you keeping track of the stanley cup playoffs that are going on right now? the maple leafs just finally won a playoff series for the first time in 19 years (they had made the playoffs and lost in the first round for six years in a row prior to this season)
I think there's a pretty good chance that I am the only person in the world who started as a Jets fan, continued to cheer for the Coyotes after they moved and is still a Coyotes fan even after the return of the Jets. It's an odd one to have to explain, and it's rough because Coyotes fans get dunked on all the time for off ice and financial hardship for the team over the years.
I think the reason that teams move rather than fold is because it looks worse on the league. When the economy was awful in Canada in the nineties any team without a lot of corporate support moved which was terrifying. I can say that Jets fans stayed loyal to the Winnipeg Jets but not the Coyotes. Which is pretty normal. The Oilers were the last Canadian team that almost moved when owners from Houston were trying to purchase them. They were rescued by local corporations which founded the Copper Club to buy the team and straight away changed the colours to incorporate that copper idea. Thankfully since the mid nineties ended the league fights tooth and nail to keep the teams in their locations. God knows the Coyotes would have moved a hundred times by now. Golden Knights had some good luck, they were first beating the Raiders by almost 5 years. As the first Pro team in Vegas. Also their first year they did something remarkable they went to the Stanley Cup Finals which was something not done in a LONG time. So success and good timing helped.
The Kraken is a good fit for a Seattle NHL team, considering its history in maritime industry and the large Scandinavian population. By the way, at the time of writing this post the Kraken are beginning round 2 of the Stanley Cup playoffs after defeating the defending champion Colorado Avalanche. Here is an amazing story from Seattle's first ever home game: m.ruclips.net/video/HNbwnbWNQF8/видео.html&pp=ygUbQSBoZXJvIGluIHRoZSBzdGFuZHMga3Jha2Vu
Renaming the Coyotes to AZ Coyotes has not increased the popularity of the team, they have been one of the worst run sports franchises in all of american sports and cant even sell out a 5k seat stadium
You mentioned how there was multiple financial issues, and that’s just the nature of most teams here. That’s why for us Americans we treat college teams how you guys treat your footy clubs. They’re more rooted to the people
In the nineties there was quite a lot of disappointment when the NHL started moving south - into markets that had no tradition of hockey, especially as the northern cities lost teams. For one horrendous period games were being televised with the use of an electronic puck which when shown on tv put a ring around the puck and left a trail behind it. This was added, because American audiences in expansion markets weren't able to follow the puck. There was also some resentment in Canada that the NHL was becoming solely focused on the US and ignoring Canada, that faded I think, but this week we have the news that the Florida Panthers are refusing to sell tickets to Canadians for the playoff games against the Leafs. They are rejecting any sales based on credit card purchases with Canadian addresses, effectively shutting fans out. As is normal for US teams, the Panthers players are 14 Canadians, 5 European/Russians, and if you include 2 backup goalies, 5 Americans. The ban hasn't been well received. But the Panthers say that they owe it to American fans to make it easier for them to go to a game.
It's not common for British Teams to relocate but it has happened before, my hometown's team relocated & of course we all know about Wimbledon FC. That being said i chose to support the Oakland Raiders when I started watching the NFL but after the move to Las Vegas I saw no reason to continue supporting the team when that greedy owner couldn't be bothered to support Oakland.
In Europe, for football, teams stay where they were created and they move up or down with relegations every year. A lot of it depends on financial supports. Also every country has a league, so a country like the UK with 68M people has 20 club in Premier league, then around 20 in champ league. Same thing with France, Spain, Germany and Italy. In North America, you have USA with 360M people and Canada with 40M. Teams want to make money but they cant be relegated to an inferior league, so the only option to make money is to move a team to a bigger or more profitable market hence the relocations. Most of the relocations are because teams had financial problems especially canadian teams in the 90s because of canadian $ vs us $. Fans from cities that get a new team (relocation) are happy about it and cherish the heritage and history of that team, but fans that lost their teams are left with sadness. I hope it explained relocations concept at best
It sucks when teams move and it probably happens too much. On the other hand, the current President seems to be trying to protect his legacy and not move any teams (especially that he propagated in the first place) and many people have thought the Coyotes should move at different times due to low attendance. But then we’d lose the logos… You could watch a video on the President, Gary Bettman getting booed. Every time he’s in public. It’s hilarious.
I’ll forever be a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. It’s the closest team to me and I’ve been in this shit since I was fresh out the womb. We finally broke an awful curse recently and it feels so good. I was in downtown Toronto and got to experience the game in a place called Maple Leaf Square outside of the arena. The game was in Tampa Bay so the crowd was even bigger than usual out there. People were lined up for at least 2km down the road just watching the gigantic screen. A lady passed out right beside me because she got too hammered and bashed her head on the pavement. She was alright though, just a bit out of it. The atmosphere is something I’ll never forget. When they scored the game winner in overtime a whole group of strangers became temporary family and just embraced our love for the Maple Leafs. It was truly beautiful. Toronto was a happy city Saturday night
@@CrackysHouse you get used to it as a Leafs fan. I’m cautiously optimistic in the best of times. And I’m constantly prepared for heartbreak and disappointment
I think you ignored the explanation about the origins of The Chicago Black Hawk's name. Black Hawk was an iconic Native Warrior Chief. Redskins ( the Washington Football Team's former name), on the other hand, has a history of being a racist and derogatory term applied to Native American Peoples.
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I’m N.A. and I have no problem with teams named for my culture. I think it’s neat to be thought of as strong, fierce and iconic.
Big difference with Chicago is th Sauk Tribe actually backs the team and the name celebrating one of their leaders so the liklihood that Chicago will change name is almost zero. This is the same for the Florida State University Seminoles as their tribe backs the name of the team as well.
Talk about teams moving away, I live roughly between the Winnipeg Jets and Minnesota wild. My dad likes to mention how he lost both of his hockey teams.
They’re both back so we’ll call it even
Vegas won the Stanley Cup last year. They are very successful and have great fans support.
"The Glasgow Depressing Weather" - hahaha! Very good, Mert!
Very underrated channel. You don’t go unnoticed by hockey fans!🇬🇧🇨🇦🇺🇸
From Chicago, i think blackhawks was the only team name that honored the native american culture. Cleveland logo was a redskinned caricature and washington was literally the redskins. Blackhawks logo is respectful and beautiful. one of the best in sports imo
The difference between the Blackhawks names and other teams is that the hawks don’t use a derogatory term as the name and it is instead named after someone
About the Blackhawks name...unlike the Indians and Redskins, it doesn't seems to be a pejorative term and the origin with the name of a military corps as well a a native chief i think is pretty respectful. It's a team with a lot of history so i doubt the name will be change...plus it has one of the best logo of the league and most of the jersey are badass both in color and style ! Only positive here so i have little doubts...
agreed, the name is paying respect to a notable indigenous figure and not some stereotypical native american logo/name
I love the logo too but I think that is considered the more problematic aspect, more so than the name itself.
@@CrackysHouse whats wrong with the logo?
If anything I can just see the logo being changed, but not the name, but also I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t just bc the ad revenue or attention the NHL gets its bigger than then the other leagues
the descendants of chief black hawk have asked them to stop using the name and the team said no. which doesn’t sound especially respectful to me
You do have ONE example in British football of a team relocating (with great controversy): The Milton Keynes Dons.
Franchise relocation is a thing in North America. The NHL, NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball, have all had franchises relocate. Lower (minor) leagues often relocate every four or five years. We've just gotten used to it.
In my case, I'm a beneficiary: Atlanta wouldn't support their Flames, so they moved to my city of Calgary and won a Stanley Cup here :)
I understand the reaction some indigenous people have re: the "Cleveland Indians", the "Washington Redskins", the "Edmonton Eskimos", the "Atlanta Braves" - because they're appropriating a culture. But Black Hawks (or Blackhawks) is different: they're honouring a specific MAN, a great leader, a man of courage and conviction. This should not be cancelled.
1967 the last year with the original 6, is also the last year the Toronto Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup!
34:30 part of the reason why Calgary kept the name calgary flames was that it also fit in with a historic occurrence that happened in calgary. in 1886 a massive fire broke out in the town center of calgary which devastated the city's infrastructure and many businesses. The city to prevent another fire like it, passed a law that all government buildings, schools, hospitals, etc. be built out of readily available sandstone. many of those sandstone buildings still stand strong today and many have been incorporated into modern buildings built around them. this is also why one of calgary's many nicknames is the "sandstone city".
About Franchise moving...Québec city and Winnipeg were pretty much the city that was hurt the most from team moving...Québec even more because it was at the end of a rebuild and literally the year they moved to Colorado, they won the Stanley cup. Winnipeg got the Jets back from the Trashers but to this day, each time there is talk about a potential team moving or expansion, Québec city always come back in the discussions...it's a sore subject and for all the year the team was in the league, it was a major rival to the Montréal Canadiens and some of the series game were legendary !!
If you want a fun logo fact, the Seattle Kraken logo being an S is a reference to one of Seattle's old professional hockey teams, the Seattle Metropolitans, who in 1917 became the first American team to ever win the Stanley Cup. Their logo was a large S (for Seattle), and the Kraken's arena even has a banner honoring the team and their Stanley Cup win, which is why the Kraken logo is also a large S (although obviously stylized to be more menacing and octopus-y)
I can tell you fans are not using happy about losing a team. We went through that when the original Jets left for Arizona and fans were not happy. In fact there was a large rally downtown to try and save the Jets. Naturally everyone was delighted when we got a team back many years later and even more so when it was announced they would once again be the Jets. I know the people in Minnesota went through the same thing as we did though without any rally. Funny enough when the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg they held a laughably small rally there.
A lot of us were pretty angry in Minnesota. Losing the North Stars sucked pretty hard. There isn’t a bigger hockey fan base anywhere in the US than Minnesota. From a cultural perspective, there’s not a ton of difference between a lot of Canadians and northern Minnesotans.
@@joemiller7082 No I don't think so, in fact we'd adopt your state, lol.
@@ShuffleUpandDeal32 I’d be fine with being Canadian.
@Mert -- ignore the bit at 2:06 about the Canadiens. He did get the spelling right but the CH stands for "le Club de hockey Canadien" which is where the CH crest comes from. Common misconception but a quick google search would have helped the creator there. At least he didn't make the other oft-repeated mistake of saying the H is for Habs or Habitants. Loving your content since you started dipping in the hockey pool, a warm hello from Canada.
An irony of course, with the Pittsburgh Penguins playing in an Igloo, as there are no Penguins in the Arctic, and there are no Igloos in the Antarctic, lol.
My best friend lives in Las Vegas so I’ve been out there a lot. Despite what most nhl fans think there is a huge fan base in Vegas. It’s amazing to see how the local youth hockey programs have grown too. Even tho I’m on the other side of the country I am still a Vegas fan cause of my buddy but also cause I’m interested in design and that was the first new team since I watched the sport. I payed attention to the creative designs and I loved what they did
In the Original Six days, the teams would play each other 10 or later 14 times per season (plus playoffs), so the intense rivalries that define the NHL had plenty of time to grow naturally.
Mert, you should check out Gretzky's greatest goals and the Mario Lemieux (lah-MYU) greatest goals. Mario would have been the greatest if he hadn't injured hos back and then got cancer. But, then, check out the 2 of them playing together in the Canada Cup. Insane. And surprisingly enough, no egos.
Hey @Mert, this video neglected a HUGE part of Vancouver Canucks were previously the Vancouver Millionaires, & they won the Stanley Cup as the Millionaires before they joined the NHL. You can look up the Millionaires jerseys/uniform, it's beautiful! Cream & maroon are the colours
The Vancouver Millionaires and the Vancouver Canucks are two completely different franchises that had nothing to do with each other. The Millionaires folded in 1926. Noone who played for the Millionaires played for the Canucks.
I've gone my whole life thinking that the Mighty Ducks in the movie were named after the hockey team, I never would've thought it was the other way around.
i think you should react to the NHL goal horns next, it's kind of random but they are really fun to listen to, I think you'll find it cool
Definitely
@@mr.rollercoasters - He really should be putting these hockey videos on his Canadian channel.
@@SilvanaDil i suppose
As a Native American (Well, Canadian) myself, the Blackhawks team name is the least egregious of the other ones mentioned (Cleveland and Washington) since it's not named after any sort of derogatory or taboo term. I see no reason to change it since the name has a normal history like a lot of the other teams on here.
Also, for the Coyotes section, the logo you like is based on the old Native American art style of the area. And as for the name change to Arizona instead of Phoenix, it hasn't done much for support, they've always had a hard time. They currently play in a 5000 seat college arena (Regular NHL arena size is around 20 000) though they're trying to get a new one built.
While I as a white guy can’t really comment on whether or not something that has to do with indigenous people is offensive or not, I have always been of the opinion in these debates that context, language, and imagery are extremely important in these conversations. I have also considered the Blackhawks in particular one of the least abrasive. There is no outright mention or reference of ethnicity in the team name, the team is indirectly named after a specific individual rather than an entire demographic, and the logo itself is not a ridiculous caricature of a native person like Chief Wahoo. There are ways to make these references without demeaning entire races and cultures, we just need to communicate more on what is appropriate and what is not for a setting like sports.
Neither was Washington's, the local Cheif of a nearby tribe was mad and displeased with them changing their name.
they can keep the name just change the logo to show a Common Black Hawk as there logo
The Montréal Canadiens real name is “Le Club de hockey Canadien” which explains the double C and the H in the logo.
Re: your question about the Vegas Golden Knights, yes a lot of people were skeptical, but they sold out every night. And then, in their VERY FIRST YEAR, they went all the way to the Stanley Cup Final (which, alas, they lost). So yeah, they're super popular :)
And tomorrow they will lift their first cup
50:32 huge support in Nevada
It's funny when you see the original six name history and how much they had financial problem in the 30's and 40's...Long story short, Maurice "Rocket" Richard of the Montréal Canadiens and Gordie Howe of the Detroit Red Wings ( both number 9) pretty much saved the league by being so god damn spectacular, bringing more attendees. The other team kinda follow in trying to compete and the league just went to another level in the 50's !!
I think the blackhawks did it right, and it wont change. No slurs, or incorrect nomentclature. just paying respect to a historically important native American.
Yep, I live in a first nation's reservation and no one I know has any problem with the Blackhawk name other than hockey reasons haha
@@christopherpeter978 ironically, I know a lot of indigenous Blackhawks fans BECAUSE of the association with their culture.
I’m N.A., and I take no offense at all to team names surrounding my culture. In fact, I take it as a compliment. You want to name your team something strong, fierce and iconic. Funnily enough, my family feels the same way. I think it’s just bored housewives with nothing to do who think these things should change. They need to get a hobby
40:43 more like the triangle behind the shark 🤣
In NHL the video game if you make custom teams and change the Seals logo from yellow to white, from green to red, it looks a lot like a joint. Introducing the Golden State Blazers ;)
The Candiens are called the Habs also. I wish they would have clarified the other names the teams go by.
Could not plan this shit
Sitting in my truck, taking a break, sort of near an airport
As soon as he starts talking about the Winnipeg Jets and the meaning , a plane takes off in front of me 😂😂😂.
Gotta love it !
People think the Blackhawks is offense but unlike some other sports, it’s not an offensive term used as it’s name. They’re named after a real person, and the fans respect it’s history very much, at the United Center every game they play a video during pregame to honor Native Americans.
I grew up with the Original Six, I am from Toronto but now live in BC.
Love hockey, an eternal hawks fan here. Loved the names origins. On a side note, you would love the video going viral recently called" uk troops lay British soldier killed in us 250 years ago" he died during the revolutionary war and the beautiful, honorable, and respectful service was a true show of brothers in arms we are now, I think you'd particularly love the Highlands angle. Thanks for the video and commentary
Regarding team relocation: This is regarding an MLB team moving. When my dad was a kid, he was a big fan of the Brooklyn Dodgers. When they moved to LA in 1958, he stopped following baseball altogether.
Haven't read all the comments, but has anyone mentioned Keith Olbermann's piece (available here on YT) about there not *being* an "original 6"? The Montreal Canadiens are the only team which pre-dates the NHL, being the only team that joined the nascent NHL that was in existence before, during and continues to exist uninterrupted since 1909. He explains that the "original" teams weren't the same now as in 1917, although the geography mostly works. There was a Toronto team in 1917, but not the Maple Laffs (what Canadiens' fans call the "Leafs") Same for the 4 other *originals* It may seem like the NHL is mostly American-based, but for decades the NHL offices were in the Sun Life building in Montreal.
p/s: The Sun Life Building was at one time the tallest one in the Commonwealth. Quite fitting for an NHL commissioner who rewards the season's best team with Lord Stanley's cup!
When the St. Louis football Cardinals moved to Arizona, they still showed every Cardinal game on TV. I think that lasted for at least 3 years, maybe more. I can't remember. I didn't follow them when they moved even though I loved them in St. Louis. I had season tickets during the Coryell years.
Would love to see a "logo tier list" video!
About the relocations: Honestly my interest in hockey would probably drop by half if the team I support moved somewhere else. It's unlikely to happen though, the Canadiens are never ever moving!
There may be some movement still though, the Coyotes being the most likely candidate. Their situation is terrible, they don't really make money and their arena is garbage. Some say they could come back to Quebec (replace the Nordiques that became the Avalanche), but I'm not sure that's likely, the league wants to expand in the US more than in Canada.
The thing to note is that (if I understand right), many cities in England have some sort of Soccer/Football team that is affiliated with the top league in the country, and could theoretically make it there if they invest enough money and win enough. That's not the case in America, since we don't have a relegation system. The NHL is the top league with an unchanging 32 teams, and then there's the AHL, which also has 32 teams, all of which are directly affiliated with an NHL parent club who can send players between the two teams as necessary. Then there's the ECHL below that, which I believe also has a similar affiliation system, though maybe not as direct as with the AHL. Because the system is different, you have to move the team to where the money is, since there's not just going to be an existing team to buy and then pump money into. You've got limited slots, and if one of the teams isn't making money, it's better to move it.
Look at the uniforms of the teams. Should do a tier list.
In the pecking order of revenue: 1.) NFL (32 USA teams); big drop to 2.) MLB (29 USA teams + 1 Canadian team); 3.) NBA (29 USA teams + 1 Canadian team); big drop to 4.) NHL (25 USA teams + 7 Canadian teams); big drop to 5.) MLS (26 USA teams + 3 Canadian teams); 6.) CFL (all Canadian teams).
Moving the North Stars was a nightmare for Minnesotans. Minnesota is arguably THE center of the US hockey universe. Last I checked, a quarter of the American hockey players in the NHL are from Minnesota.
Since you appreciate the fan aspect so much (and since I’m a DC native and a Caps fan since I could skate) please check out the crowd in DC when they FINALLY won the Stanley Cup in 2018. Even if it’s not one of the videos you react to, you should take a look just as someone who really appreciates what fans bring to sports.
ruclips.net/video/u-voJ0lryZ8/видео.html
lol nothing has increased the support of the Arizona team which currently doesn't even have an arena and may be moving to Houston sooner rather than later if they can't sort out their mess.
Wish you’d do more reactions. These are great
Re: teams moving. Look up Save the Crew. I believe (don’t hate me if I’m wrong) it’s the only time fans in the US have prevented a team from relocating.
Drepressing weatherman 😂😂😂 dude I laugh so hard
Yeah all the Arizona logos are great. It’s too bad he didn’t show the original logos of teams that moved. The Northstars, Nordiques and Whalers logos are great. The Whalers’ one has a hidden image like the FedEx logo.
Crazy that the Kraken got so far in this years playoffs. Stars just eliminated them last night. The final 4 teams are currently Dallas vs Vegas in the west and Carolina vs Florida in the east.
Actually the Colorado Avalance was almost named thr Rocky Mountain Extreme until it was leajed in the Denver post, where a last minute change to the current name
FYI ...CBC is Canada's version of the BBC
About teams being relocated, it's not an NHL team, but my Local American Hockey League (NHL Farm league) team, the Norfolk Admirals, had the longest winning streak of any hockey team in any league, won the Calder Cup (AHL's Stanley Cup,) and then were promptly shipped off to San Diego two years later because their affiliate team changed from Tampa to Anaheim. It sucked so hard, to go from feeling on top of the world to literally not even having team, and I wasn't about to become a San Diego Gulls fan. They eventually came back, albeit as a member of the ECHL, which is a step below the AHL, and they've been dog water since then.
May wish to do an episode reviewing the RUclips video entitled "Top 10 NHL Shootout Goals of All-Time".
Re: your comments on the Devils and why they kept at it rather than just folding: because if you keep trying, sometimes you win at the end. The New Jersey Devils, formerly the Colorado Rockies and Kansas City Scouts, won the Stanley Cup in 1995, 2000, and 2003, and are one of my fave teams (after the Flames and the Bruins lol)
The original six seems like a small league, but geographically it's pretty big Montreal-Boston is over 500kms, and tis would have been at time when travel was relatively difficult. Hockey season being in the winter made it more difficult still.
Competitions to name teams are a good way to build excitement and get publicity for a coming franchise.
In regards to the Chicago Blackhawks' name, as a Native American, my experience is 99% of Native Americans have absolutely no issue with the name and in fact, quite a few of us are proud. It is not a derogatory word. The folks that have a problem with it are 99.9% non Native and woke and really don't have anything better to do with their time other than stick their beaks into things that 100% do not concern them at all.
That of course is my opinion, but I don't feel that I am far off of the mark.
Cheers!
The Blackhawks have "paid" the Sac and Fox tribes for the use of the name. They not only financially support the tribes, they also physically help the tribes and fete them regularly for decades.
Personally I think the name "Blackhawks" is fine.. Though it might get changed anyway someday, because that's how these things go.
If the name was racist or anything sure, but it's homage to a military division, which itself was an homage to a native american guy.
(Anyway, the name is probably the least controversial thing about the Blackhawks lately! If you haven't heard about it, google "Blackhawks scandals" - and that may just be the tip of the iceberg).
The Montreal Canadiens, also known as the Habs, are one of the most storied franchises in the NHL. Their ceremonies for players past and present are second to none..even for players on other teams are honoured. In Montreal, hockey is a religion, as proven by only a few of these videos worth checking out.
Top 10 of History of Montréal Canadiens - RUclips
Saku Koivu Returns From Cancer Ovation (04-09-2002) - RUclips
Montreal Gives Saku Koivu A Standing Ovation In His Last Game In Montreal - October 25th, 2013 - RUclips
Canadiens Tribute P.K. Subban's Return to Montreal - RUclips
Canadiens Honour Guy Lafleur With Touching Pre-Game Ceremony - RUclips
Last game at the Montreal Forum - Maurice Rocket Richard ovation - RUclips
If you thought the Leafs early history was a legal struggle wait until someone tells you all about Harold Ballard. Hooooo boy poor Leafs
I’m still a fan of a team that moved to another city. The Cleveland then Los Angeles then St. Louis and back to Los Angeles Rams of the NFL. It’s was devastating when my team moved back to LA in 2016. But, as much as I hate the owner, Stan Kroenke (also owner of Arsenal), I’ve loved the team and players since I was 5. Others tell me I should support Kansas City because it’s the only other team in Missouri. But I feel nothing for this other city or even the state of Missouri. Lol.
React to every NHL goal horn for 2023!
i highly recommend you watching the free full game replay here on youtube of the colorado avalanche against the toronto maple leafs from the 8. Jan 2022- it really shows you how incredibly exiting modern ice hockey really is! as mentioned before it is very similar to soccer but improves every aspect of this sport - you get all l the action of a 90 minute soccer game in just minutes of nhl ice hockey
Today I was randomly wondering why I hadn't seen a single recommended video from Mert in what seemed to me a long while. Nearly three months without an upload after such a strong start, hope everything is alright man.
If a team can’t stay profitable the league and the other teams can’t be expected to subsidizing solve a team moves. It’s because the fan base is not supporting him. It makes sense you don’t keep failing. Business is up and running.
bro your accents dope
For Blackhawks they don't really need to change their name to show respect to Native Americans but if they want to remove the trope altogether like the Guardians did... then they should use black hawks instead of Black Hawk as their team logos.
Hi just wanted to say that the best hockey goalkeepers was carey price who recently stop playing. Please can you do a reaction to his beat save🙏. It would be very appreciated🙏🙏
are you keeping track of the stanley cup playoffs that are going on right now? the maple leafs just finally won a playoff series for the first time in 19 years (they had made the playoffs and lost in the first round for six years in a row prior to this season)
And now they're getting swept. Typical Leafs hahaha
@@CrackysHouse went back to their real selves real quick
the vegas fanbase is huge. That arena explodes
I think there's a pretty good chance that I am the only person in the world who started as a Jets fan, continued to cheer for the Coyotes after they moved and is still a Coyotes fan even after the return of the Jets. It's an odd one to have to explain, and it's rough because Coyotes fans get dunked on all the time for off ice and financial hardship for the team over the years.
I think the reason that teams move rather than fold is because it looks worse on the league. When the economy was awful in Canada in the nineties any team without a lot of corporate support moved which was terrifying. I can say that Jets fans stayed loyal to the Winnipeg Jets but not the Coyotes. Which is pretty normal. The Oilers were the last Canadian team that almost moved when owners from Houston were trying to purchase them. They were rescued by local corporations which founded the Copper Club to buy the team and straight away changed the colours to incorporate that copper idea.
Thankfully since the mid nineties ended the league fights tooth and nail to keep the teams in their locations. God knows the Coyotes would have moved a hundred times by now.
Golden Knights had some good luck, they were first beating the Raiders by almost 5 years. As the first Pro team in Vegas. Also their first year they did something remarkable they went to the Stanley Cup Finals which was something not done in a LONG time. So success and good timing helped.
The Kraken is a good fit for a Seattle NHL team, considering its history in maritime industry and the large Scandinavian population.
By the way, at the time of writing this post the Kraken are beginning round 2 of the Stanley Cup playoffs after defeating the defending champion Colorado Avalanche.
Here is an amazing story from Seattle's first ever home game:
m.ruclips.net/video/HNbwnbWNQF8/видео.html&pp=ygUbQSBoZXJvIGluIHRoZSBzdGFuZHMga3Jha2Vu
Renaming the Coyotes to AZ Coyotes has not increased the popularity of the team, they have been one of the worst run sports franchises in all of american sports and cant even sell out a 5k seat stadium
You mentioned how there was multiple financial issues, and that’s just the nature of most teams here. That’s why for us Americans we treat college teams how you guys treat your footy clubs. They’re more rooted to the people
I could be wrong but I believe the Cyotes retned to Winnipeg Jets
Thank you fan backlash...Rocky Mountain Extreme would have been too 90s even for the 90s
Should be called the “Surviving Six” only one of them is original.
As a X St.Louis Rams fan they are now dead to me
In the nineties there was quite a lot of disappointment when the NHL started moving south - into markets that had no tradition of hockey, especially as the northern cities lost teams. For one horrendous period games were being televised with the use of an electronic puck which when shown on tv put a ring around the puck and left a trail behind it. This was added, because American audiences in expansion markets weren't able to follow the puck.
There was also some resentment in Canada that the NHL was becoming solely focused on the US and ignoring Canada, that faded I think, but this week we have the news that the Florida Panthers are refusing to sell tickets to Canadians for the playoff games against the Leafs. They are rejecting any sales based on credit card purchases with Canadian addresses, effectively shutting fans out.
As is normal for US teams, the Panthers players are 14 Canadians, 5 European/Russians, and if you include 2 backup goalies, 5 Americans. The ban hasn't been well received. But the Panthers say that they owe it to American fans to make it easier for them to go to a game.
ruclips.net/video/aCq7evJY5Go/видео.html
It's not common for British Teams to relocate but it has happened before, my hometown's team relocated & of course we all know about Wimbledon FC.
That being said i chose to support the Oakland Raiders when I started watching the NFL but after the move to Las Vegas I saw no reason to continue supporting the team when that greedy owner couldn't be bothered to support Oakland.
In Europe, for football, teams stay where they were created and they move up or down with relegations every year. A lot of it depends on financial supports. Also every country has a league, so a country like the UK with 68M people has 20 club in Premier league, then around 20 in champ league. Same thing with France, Spain, Germany and Italy.
In North America, you have USA with 360M people and Canada with 40M. Teams want to make money but they cant be relegated to an inferior league, so the only option to make money is to move a team to a bigger or more profitable market hence the relocations. Most of the relocations are because teams had financial problems especially canadian teams in the 90s because of canadian $ vs us $.
Fans from cities that get a new team (relocation) are happy about it and cherish the heritage and history of that team, but fans that lost their teams are left with sadness.
I hope it explained relocations concept at best
Hope all is well
Chicago is HONORING native americans....
Big Canadiens fan
I love hockey so much, Go Sabres
Toronto Maple Leafs are considered Canada's team because, back then there was no television. So CBC radio broadcast Leaf games across Canada
Pure BS ... the Montreal Canadiens have always pooped on the so-called "Canada's team".
The are not considered "Canada's team "lol. That's just the centre of the universe hype machine talking/
It sucks when teams move and it probably happens too much. On the other hand, the current President seems to be trying to protect his legacy and not move any teams (especially that he propagated in the first place) and many people have thought the Coyotes should move at different times due to low attendance. But then we’d lose the logos…
You could watch a video on the President, Gary Bettman getting booed. Every time he’s in public. It’s hilarious.
4 teams?…
The original 6 though?…
As an Indians fan the change to guardians is really lame. Blackhawks should never change it.
The name is ok, but I would change the logo of a goofily grinning native.
I’ll forever be a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. It’s the closest team to me and I’ve been in this shit since I was fresh out the womb. We finally broke an awful curse recently and it feels so good.
I was in downtown Toronto and got to experience the game in a place called Maple Leaf Square outside of the arena. The game was in Tampa Bay so the crowd was even bigger than usual out there. People were lined up for at least 2km down the road just watching the gigantic screen. A lady passed out right beside me because she got too hammered and bashed her head on the pavement. She was alright though, just a bit out of it. The atmosphere is something I’ll never forget. When they scored the game winner in overtime a whole group of strangers became temporary family and just embraced our love for the Maple Leafs. It was truly beautiful.
Toronto was a happy city Saturday night
As a Sabres fan, that curse wasn’t “awful” from my pov 😂
How quickly things change hahaha
@@CrackysHouse you get used to it as a Leafs fan. I’m cautiously optimistic in the best of times. And I’m constantly prepared for heartbreak and disappointment
Edmonton oilers
We face the Golden Knights tonight at 7:30!!! LET'S GO OILERS!!!!!!!!
winnipeg jets go look them up
I think you ignored the explanation about the origins of The Chicago Black Hawk's name. Black Hawk was an iconic Native Warrior Chief. Redskins ( the Washington Football Team's former name), on the other hand, has a history of being a racist and derogatory term applied to Native American Peoples.
Instead of changing the Blackhawk's name, they should just eliminate them completely. Go Blues.
Not "Nor-DICKS", FFS dude, it's Quebec "Nor-DEEK".