It had to be a Citroen, the most french of all french car companies. And I knew whatever it was I would want to have it because I love french cars which is weird in itself because I'm german. And yes I would absolutely want to have a Citroen BX4TC
Didn't quite expect this to turn into a BX4TC documentary, but it's a very welcome surprise since i asked for it 8 months ago... well the wait is over now ("Ranking The Worst Race Cars And Rally Cars" video to be exact)
Finally! Someone talking about the hidden gem that is the BX 4TC 😂 The only Group B homologation car that you could use to take your friends/family to a trip... And even if it was weird in every way, and a massive failure that you will not find it in any racing games, i still think it's pretty cool, and i love it!
Kinda fitting to post this now after the amazing weekend that Nikolay Gryazin just delivered in his Initial D- liveried Rally2 Citroen C3, dominating every single stage of the 2024 Rally Japan, finishing almost 2 minutes ahead of the Rally2 champion. By the way, has anybody else been keeping up with the WRC this weekend? What a race!
As a fellow french myself, if you want weird french cars which weren't successfull in racing (except F1): Renault : A310 V6 Groupe 4, cool but never crowned Citroën : Visa 1000 Pistes 4x4, who was planned to be in group B if i remember correclty, and participated in the Dakar Rally Peugeot : 504 Coupé, king of africa in rally, but never at home
One of the remaining BX 4TC is displayed in Reims' car museum, which is privately owned. When i visited it last year with my friend, I almost lost my mind, because I was so surprised to see it. It took some time to explain to my friend why it was so special, but I didn't forget to take some pictures!
Somehow, I saw the BX coming from miles away, and I'm glad you zeroed in on the 4TC variant. About 12:50, the thing with handbrakes is not just a BX4TC thing - the original Audi quattro and Peugeot 205T16 had a locked central diff, and applying a handbrake would affect all the wheels, so the usual handbrake technique just doesn't work.
Citroën quickly became one my fave brands after discovering their shenanigans, they never had the same money as Renault and Peugeot, yet they were very bold and quirky with their ideas... one that was pretty cool but never got mass production was the Citroën GS Birotor, that had a rotary engine... Yes the infamous Dorito was also on Citroëns, not only Mazda
I would put the Citroen SM on top as the most French car. When a car gets the nickname pandora's box you know you have a winner in that most French of French category. The SM only sold aprox 12.000 units and was a major reason Citroën went bankrupt. After Peugeot was forced by the goverment to take over Citroën the SM was axed imediatly! Here come the crazy facts about the SM -Citroën bought the carmanufacturer Masseratti just to get a sporty V8 engine for their new GT flagship car. - That engine was to big so Maseratti frankensteined their famous smooth V8 engine by chopping 2 cilinders of and ended up with an out of sync running V6! -The SM who was suposed to be the flagship in top GT luxury for the US market wasn't allowed due to the low bumperheight and they refused to alter the design. -Lots of one of high tech was used and cars differ in used parts making working on them a nightmare and expensive. - Reliabilty euh there garanteed always a part that does partly or totaly not function every time you drive it. The SM became a totaly bonkus car designed for a market that didn't exist anymore filled with exotic high tech only few experts can maintain/repair.
12:05 Actually, the first mid-engined hatchback intended specifically for rallying was the Renault 5 Turbo from group 4, which was arguably even weirder with its weird, squat looking body and RWD layout, which means it’s arguably even more french
Pretty fun video ! The bx4tc is a good choice, although you can argue that it was made under some "pressure" to confront themselves to the competition in rally, which may not be the most French reason to make a car, although we like competition as an opportunity to appear superior 😅 (or fail miserably. No middle ground). My personal choice would be the Citroën C6. The last large "luxury" sedan under the Citroën brand, the last one to use extensively hydropneumatic suspensions i think. But also full of random quirks and tech (obviously), like this dashboard with way too many buttons, the concave back window, lane assist, heads-up display, active rear spoiler than opens up at 65km/h... this one only on the V6, because of course it had a V6. And much more... They sold 23k C6, an absolute failure, although French presidents liked it. The Renault Avantime could be a close contender. Who decided that a premium-but-not-luxury MPV with 4 seats and a V6 would be a good idea ?
As far as I am concerned, the only company that made French cars was Citroën, and the last French car they made was the C6. The stuff made by Peugeot and Renault aren't really that special, and Bugatti has always been a Italian/German manufacturer.
Ahem, Renault used to make very quirky cars. Last of them were the Avantime & Vel Satis. Bugatti was originally 100% French. Some Italians bought and restarted Bugatti in the 90's and then it was bought by Volkswagen but manufactured in France. Now of course Bugatti is owned by Rimac from Croatia, still built in France.
To add to my previous; until the 90's Peugeot were considered the French Mercedes. They were bulletproof and well built cars and that is special. They also had some very pretty models from the 60's to the 90's, last of them being the 406 Coupé.
@@piuthemagicman Bugatti was created by an Italian man, in German land. As for the quirky/interesting cars made by the other makers, they could just as well have been Japanese, Italian or whatever else. They never really came across as distinctly French to me.
the most french off all time is the renault 5 a.k.a le car with its hatchback design was revolutionary even with the hot r5 turbo and r5 maxi turbo now the new renault 5 is electric but kept the original cars design in modern form also there is a alpine version the a290
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It had to be a Citroen, the most french of all french car companies. And I knew whatever it was I would want to have it because I love french cars which is weird in itself because I'm german. And yes I would absolutely want to have a Citroen BX4TC
8:14 didn’t expect the Marine Le Pen jumpscare ngl 💀
BX4TC: One of my Favorite Majorette toys when I was 8!
Didn't quite expect this to turn into a BX4TC documentary, but it's a very welcome surprise since i asked for it 8 months ago...
well the wait is over now
("Ranking The Worst Race Cars And Rally Cars" video to be exact)
You dropped the video while I'm working on my 2005 Citroen C5. Parfait!
Finally! Someone talking about the hidden gem that is the BX 4TC 😂 The only Group B homologation car that you could use to take your friends/family to a trip...
And even if it was weird in every way, and a massive failure that you will not find it in any racing games, i still think it's pretty cool, and i love it!
I found it as a mod for ac. Vr will go crazy
The first WRC game made by Milestone have the BX 4TC (and I still can't explain it)
Kinda fitting to post this now after the amazing weekend that Nikolay Gryazin just delivered in his Initial D- liveried Rally2 Citroen C3, dominating every single stage of the 2024 Rally Japan, finishing almost 2 minutes ahead of the Rally2 champion.
By the way, has anybody else been keeping up with the WRC this weekend? What a race!
The horses in the 2cv are not horse power, but fiscal horses. It's a taxation bracket thing
As a fellow french myself, if you want weird french cars which weren't successfull in racing (except F1):
Renault : A310 V6 Groupe 4, cool but never crowned
Citroën : Visa 1000 Pistes 4x4, who was planned to be in group B if i remember correclty, and participated in the Dakar Rally
Peugeot : 504 Coupé, king of africa in rally, but never at home
@@aliheyka there is also the AX superproduction and the Le Car Turbo (infamous for creating the need for the HANS device)
I'll say the GS Birotor. Now watching.
Ok the BX4TC was the obvious other choice, I'd have also suggested the Facel Vega Facellia or the Panhard 24 BT/CT.
One of the remaining BX 4TC is displayed in Reims' car museum, which is privately owned.
When i visited it last year with my friend, I almost lost my mind, because I was so surprised to see it. It took some time to explain to my friend why it was so special, but I didn't forget to take some pictures!
Somehow, I saw the BX coming from miles away, and I'm glad you zeroed in on the 4TC variant.
About 12:50, the thing with handbrakes is not just a BX4TC thing - the original Audi quattro and Peugeot 205T16 had a locked central diff, and applying a handbrake would affect all the wheels, so the usual handbrake technique just doesn't work.
Interesting take. It's certainly not a bad shout when you lay the points out like that though.
Ah the FIA historic database! Someone did their research. I could spend hours with those homologation papers.
Citroën quickly became one my fave brands after discovering their shenanigans, they never had the same money as Renault and Peugeot, yet they were very bold and quirky with their ideas... one that was pretty cool but never got mass production was the Citroën GS Birotor, that had a rotary engine... Yes the infamous Dorito was also on Citroëns, not only Mazda
I would put the Citroen SM on top as the most French car.
When a car gets the nickname pandora's box you know you have a winner in that most French of French category.
The SM only sold aprox 12.000 units and was a major reason Citroën went bankrupt.
After Peugeot was forced by the goverment to take over Citroën the SM was axed imediatly!
Here come the crazy facts about the SM
-Citroën bought the carmanufacturer Masseratti just to get a sporty V8 engine for their new GT flagship car.
- That engine was to big so Maseratti frankensteined their famous smooth V8 engine by chopping 2 cilinders of and ended up with an out of sync running V6!
-The SM who was suposed to be the flagship in top GT luxury for the US market wasn't allowed due to the low bumperheight and they refused to alter the design.
-Lots of one of high tech was used and cars differ in used parts making working on them a nightmare and expensive.
- Reliabilty euh there garanteed always a part that does partly or totaly not function every time you drive it.
The SM became a totaly bonkus car designed for a market that didn't exist anymore filled with exotic high tech only few experts can maintain/repair.
My parents old 307hdi wagon went hard, and didn't break. But the rear wiper had a mind of it's own after 6 years.
Can't be Renault 4... its nose isn't up
Back when French cars did not suck. Thanks for this video!
12:05
Actually, the first mid-engined hatchback intended specifically for rallying was the Renault 5 Turbo from group 4, which was arguably even weirder with its weird, squat looking body and RWD layout, which means it’s arguably even more french
Matra M530:
Hideous design
Great handling
Decent performance
Missing obvious features
Quirky choices
Big selling flop
French.
As a frenchman I completely agree with everything you said while absolutely hating everything you said (But I have to salute the research work tho)
French enginering is Devine genious or utter Merde.
Owning a classic Citroën (GS break) is like being married you love and hate it at the same time.
this is the best video ever made
Pretty fun video ! The bx4tc is a good choice, although you can argue that it was made under some "pressure" to confront themselves to the competition in rally, which may not be the most French reason to make a car, although we like competition as an opportunity to appear superior 😅 (or fail miserably. No middle ground).
My personal choice would be the Citroën C6. The last large "luxury" sedan under the Citroën brand, the last one to use extensively hydropneumatic suspensions i think. But also full of random quirks and tech (obviously), like this dashboard with way too many buttons, the concave back window, lane assist, heads-up display, active rear spoiler than opens up at 65km/h... this one only on the V6, because of course it had a V6. And much more...
They sold 23k C6, an absolute failure, although French presidents liked it.
The Renault Avantime could be a close contender. Who decided that a premium-but-not-luxury MPV with 4 seats and a V6 would be a good idea ?
I think the 2cv is still the most french car ever made. When I think french I think 2cv.
You didn't mention the Twingo 1 :(
2cv, DS and traction
Citroen was the best at some points
As far as I am concerned, the only company that made French cars was Citroën, and the last French car they made was the C6.
The stuff made by Peugeot and Renault aren't really that special, and Bugatti has always been a Italian/German manufacturer.
Ahem, Renault used to make very quirky cars. Last of them were the Avantime & Vel Satis. Bugatti was originally 100% French. Some Italians bought and restarted Bugatti in the 90's and then it was bought by Volkswagen but manufactured in France. Now of course Bugatti is owned by Rimac from Croatia, still built in France.
To add to my previous; until the 90's Peugeot were considered the French Mercedes. They were bulletproof and well built cars and that is special. They also had some very pretty models from the 60's to the 90's, last of them being the 406 Coupé.
@@piuthemagicman Bugatti was created by an Italian man, in German land. As for the quirky/interesting cars made by the other makers, they could just as well have been Japanese, Italian or whatever else. They never really came across as distinctly French to me.
@@peekaboo1575 You're mostly right about Bugatti yet I wouldn't consider you a man of car culture. A lot to learn for you.
@@piuthemagicman Let us agree to disagree.
I think this citreon group b car was the only capble to compete with the lada in these rallys 😂
Babe wake up new Failed Racers video
cv was the tax scale the french used the higher the number the higher the tax
can you make a video about opel vectra gts v8 dtm
the most french off all time is the renault 5 a.k.a le car with its hatchback design was revolutionary even with the hot r5 turbo and r5 maxi turbo
now the new renault 5 is electric but kept the original cars design in modern form also there is a alpine version the a290
the bx is designed by an italian
Renault 12? No, this is simply too much because of it's Romanian cousin Dacia 1300.
8:14 "far right nationalists" picture of Marine le Pen unrelated I presume?
Not entirely unrelated. Marine Le Pen is in charge of the National Rally party. National Rally, originally called National Front was founded by her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen. National Front's founding members consisted partially of former members of the OAS terrorist organisation which attempted to assassinate Charles De Gaulle, such as Pierre Bousquet and other former French SS members. That makes National Rally a succesor organisation to OAS.
Reno 4