Weapons For Finnish Forces in Hell Let Loose
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2023
- In this video I examine which infantry weapons are likely to be available for Finnish forces in Hell Let Loose. The Winter War is being added to the game in December.
I have already made a video exploring possible Polish infantry weapons, check that out here: • Weapons For Polish For...
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Checkout my video on weapons the Polish forces may get: ruclips.net/video/S0fHq6bRpZk/видео.html
Great video bro
Unlikely we will get the japanese soon , but can you do a Weapons for japanese soldiers Video
Don't forget Brendan rifles and some french fighter planes they had.
i think finnish snipers should get a scoped rifle obv but they could do alternate kit with a finnish mosin and smg so you could have 2 weapons, maybe name it "white death" for maximum larp.
I don't mind having the Lahti M39 in the game for the sake of variety, but I know other people are a lot more gung-ho about historical accuracy in a game that allows you to teleport behind enemy lines by placing down a table with a radio on it.
I wouldn’t mind either. All I care about is having fun, to be honest.I didn’t mind having the StG44 in Stalingrad.
Just because a game has gameplay features doesn't mean it can't try to be historically accuracte either. After all, HLL probably wouldn't have even reached its original kickstarter goals if it wasn't for the appeal of historical accuracy in the first place.
Historical accuracy and realistic gameplay are two different topics and don't necessarily directly affect each other.
@@iratus4575 So how is the L-39 breaking the historical accuracy?
@@disadadi8958 The production of Lahti-39 kicked off properly only after the Winter War was already over. There were literally just a couple of them in use during the war. Thus it would be pretty unrealistic to give every AT guy access to a weapon that barely saw ANY action during the conflict.
Note that the SMG was never a squad leader's or an officer's weapon in the Winter War. Organizationally, it was a support weapon like the LMG. The squad leader had a rifle while the officer had a pistol. The two SMGs in the platoon were given to the most dangerous men in the outfit, the ones who were real killers. This enabled the leaders to concentrate on giving orders instead of just spraying the battlefield with bullets.
That is an interesting point but I think in the context of a video game like Hell Let Loose the best guns (most fun) should be available to squad leaders (at least in one loadout) to encourage people to play that role. But I do understand why in the real world you wouldn’t necessarily give a Suomi M/31 to officers.
You are correct, but as stated in the reply it makes sense with the game. And durining winter war especially many officers quickly took proper weapons for themselves as the pistols were useless. Though the lack of men and reinforcments also meant that the leaders had to have a weapon, just because platoon shrank down in men.
Interesting thing thought that 1941 during the Continuation war offensive phase officers were once again equipped with pistols. This led to them again taking weapons for themselves.
@@IronHeartGamingYT They also didnt give too many MPs to one squad because they afraid to loose too many of them if squad get destroyed.
@@IronHeartGamingYT How would giving assault weapons to a leadership role "to encourage people to play that role" make any sense? How does that make them a better squad lead? By that logic maybe we should give everybody STG 44's or MG-42's to encourage those roles
@@pickinthatbanjo I wouldnt mind the STG 🤤
I hope they decide to use Finnish made/modified weapons as far as possible. Id rather not see the Finnish Rifleman class use the same M91 Mosin as the Soviets, even though they were used.
The Finns modified the mosins quite a lot, changing around the furniture and sights. Depending on which version the devs decide to use, it should be quite different to the standard m91
@@petterteignesse5486 And those changes made it to be pretty much best versio of the rifle ever made and prolly best bolt action rifle of WW2. Very reliable, durable, accurate and had spare parts all over the battlefield.
@@Omili Yup, probably the best you can realistically make a mosin. You guys should be proud of that one lol
Honestly I think it would be nice if it was a random mosin
Great video. "Talvisota" is very good war movie imo. When comes to AT rifles, Finland used also polish wz. 35 UR AT rifle what was captured by Germans in Poland and next transfered to Finland.
But not in winter war.
"Tuntematonsotilas" is waaaay better
@@suomiman100 Oh, so I need to see it
@@Nacjo_Farmer i think you can find it as "the unknown soldier"
@@Nacjo_Farmer There are three versions of the movie Tuntematon Sotilas (The Unknown Soldier) 1955, 1985 and 2017. The latest from 2017 is the best. They are all based on the novel by Väinö Linna.
So glad to see you make it clear that Lahti's AT-rifle was indeed very, very rare. Only two saw action, in Ladoga Karelia, if I remember correctly. Personally wouldn't include them in any "Winter War" game, if I would design one. In 1941 the situation would be different.
Also, thank you for NOT referring to the guy at 2:40 as Simo Häyhä, because (contrary to every military historian serving in Google) it's definately not him.
Thanks I did my best to research each bit throughly🧐
@@IronHeartGamingYT i was genuinely amazed that you got the swedish volunteer right. You got my respect!
Hej till mina svenska bröder
@@IronHeartGamingYT hej bror, jag är finsk😁
@@IronHeartGamingYT Alltid trevligt broder!
Thank you for providing such high quality content, IronHeart!
Glad you enjoy it!
Looking forward to see a log, in the at role. Finns did use commonly birch wood logs, to stop enemy tanks from going forward or backwards and then capture the tank with grenades or molotovs.
If I wasn’t level 10 anti tank role already I’d be grinding so hard so I could get the log loadout 🪵 🤣. But I guess players have until December before the Finns are added so that’s plenty of time to make sure they have AT maxed out 😆
From what I've read (mainly the book Panssarinmurskaajat) using a log was a pre-war tactic. When used on the newer (well, not ww1 era) soviet tanks like the T 26 the log would be broken by the tanks track wheels.
I was waiting for you to make this video, didn't disappoint!
Finland does have some quite interesting and high quality weapons, both from the world war period and later on.
I wonder if the improved sights on Finnish mosins will make a difference in game.
Great video man. Love the historical dive into the weapons and what we should be looking forward to.
Kasapanos in finnish simply means "stacked charge". They were easy enough to improvise in the field by strapping tnt on a stick grenade. The factory made versions also just used a stick grenade handle and detonator.
I keep thinking this is the official HLL dev channel lol, great vid.
I wish!
@@IronHeartGamingYT The way you talk and present your content is not far off imo, keep it up! :)
And then there are civilian weapons that were simply used because there were not enough issued weapons. Birdshot blast on eyes of driver of t-26 was very effective.
Yes, thank you for the Video, i wanted to know that since the roadmap was announced.
Addition:
Simo Häyhä had 500+ kills with rifle, but he also had close combat kills of around 200 with SMG.
The kills with SMG are not listed or registered in any way, it is Simo's own rough estimate.
Great video, keep it up!
I kinda want Team17 to make a sniper loadout exlusive to the Finns called "The White Death" or something like that where you get an iron sighted M/28-30 to really bring the Simo Häyhä in you
It would be fun to have a loadout like that for the Finnish sniper
Just have it where pressing Shift zooms in further to simulate Simo's ability
"Finns called "The White Death" No, they dont. Finns called him "Taika ampuja or Magic shooter" and russ called him like that and fear him like a hell. Sorry my bad english.
@@jamirajala7484 I didn't say that the Finns called Simo for The White Death, I just said I would like a in-game loadout to have that name but thanks for the information anyway : ) (Your English is good by the way)
@@jamirajala7484 The White Death is so much more badass nickname than taika-ampuja. And what makes it even more badass, is that it was given to Häyhä by the muscovites out of pure fear. And really, how much more badass nickname can one even get than "The White Death"? Maybe "The Black Death"? But that's already taken and just means the bubonic plague.
My grandpa was medic during winter war and he used mauser during that time.
so good job man
You forgot to mention a great little factoid when you mentioned Molotov Coktails, The name comes from Finland. Essentially it was a jab at the soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov who claimed (propaganda) that the soviet bombers were only dropping "humanitarian food deliveries" in Finland when in reality they were incendiary clusterbombs.
The finns jokingly called the munitions "Molotov's bread baskets" and thus it needed a proper drink to go along with it and thus the name Molotov Coktail was born.
I'd like to clarify that the finns did not invent petrol bombs, it was the name that stuck because of finnish witty humor.
I wish a game would cover specifically the continuation war period. Even if it isnt such a known underdog conflict it still would offer a wide variety of gear. Especially finnish tanks and a notable airforce
could give them panzer 4s and Russian tanks, although if its just the winter war they'll get some French Renaults, British Vickers and maybe captured russian tanks. Still be an interesting roster.
Team 17 is planning to progress through the war one year at a time. If Winter War and the battle of Danzig (1939) come out this year (2023), we could expect to see Continuation War (1941-1944) content in the game in 2025 at the earliest, possibly as late as 2028.
@@justaruztyspoon668 No panzer iv in continuation war. They were only ready for the Lapland war in Finnish service.
One of the reasons why Finnish snipers generally didn't use scopes is that they would have had the tendency to fog up in the extreme weather conditions of the war.
A very interesting and well-made video which taught me many new things, though I am Finnish myself!
8:20 "finns made good use of molotov's cocktails" - it was a finnish invention under necessity, named so to go well with molotov bread basket.
The name was given by the finns, but the incendiary bottles already existed before that i think. So to my understanding finns didnt invent the Molotov cocktail, but they are universally known by the finnish name
@@lalli8152 Nit pickin but ok. With the ingniter on the side and not in the mouth - naming it Molotov Cocktail, yes - that much is of finnish making, incindiary bottles were already in use in the ancient world.
I really like these videos of you covering weapons for factions maybe you can do italy next.
It's super rare on the Internet to see someone use the Swede with the Swedish Mauser-variant and NOT link it to Simo Häyhä. So many people use that picture when talking about Häyhä. Cheers for that!
I guess many people don’t bother to do their research 🧐 🤓
I met Simo Häyhä in a veterans home in Hamina when I visited my grandfather. I didn't know who he was and I was put off by his appearance (exploding bullet destroyed the left side of his face). If I knew what I know now, I would have shook his hand for sure.
Some of initial finnish mosins were purchased from Remington at United States. After this initial patch domestical reproduction started with various models over the years m91/24, m27, m28, m28-30, 91/27rv, m39
The Finns also had a large number of pattern 14 enfields and arisaka type 38s. Both would Break up the Mosin repeats
A nice feature of the Suomi submachine gun was that if you held it correctly, it had effectively no sway during full auto fire. This meant that one could place accurate full auto fire on target.
The trick was to use the thumb on the trigger hand to brace the flat rear end of the receiver, and absorb recoil with it instead of the shoulder stock.
Thus a sure sign of someone who knows their way around Suomis is if the thumb is on the rear of the receiver and there's just a bit of air between the shoulder and the stock.
a bit of air in between?! so why have the stock in the first place!
never have i heard such mickey mouse crap
@@Vemppu_Lutku Clearly you have never shot the Suomi then. Or if you did, you didn't know what you were doing.
Have you shot one? Not many still in operative condition these days.
@@EneTheGene Yes I have. And I can assure you that those owned by private individuals are mostly still in operative condition. However their rarity has made them collectors items, so they spend most of their time in safes and vaults.
Nice video!
Thanks!
TOrilla Tavataaaan! lmao. That's neat winter war and finnish weapons. I am excited for this! Amazing lol.
I like that finnish country music play backround video, I from Finland 🇫🇮 start 4:35
Oi Maamme Suomi Synnyinmaa/Oh Our Land Finland Fatherland
Soi Sana Kultainen/Echo Loudly Golden Word
Soi Sana Kultainen/Echo Loudly Golden Word
Ei Laaksoa Ei Kukkulaa/No Valley No Hill
Ei Vettä Rantaa Rakkaampaa/No Water Shore More Dear
Kuin Kotimaa Tää Pohjoinen/Than This Northern Homeland
Maa Kallis Isien/This Precious Land Of Our Fathers
Kuin Kotimaa Tää Pohjoinen/Than This Northern Homeland
Maa Kallis Isien/This Precious Land Of Our Fathers
Sun Kukoistukses Kuorestaan/One Day From Your Bud
Kerrankin Puhkeaa/You Will Bloom
Kerrankin Puhkeaa/You Will Bloom
Viel' Lempemme Saa Nousemaan/From Our Love Shall Rise
Sun Toivos Riemus Loistossaan/Your Hope Glorious Joy
Ja Kerran Laulus Synnyinmaa/And Once Your Song Fatherland
Korkeemman Kaiun Saa/Higher Still Will Ring
Ja Kerran Laulus Synnyinmaa/And Once Your Song Fatherland
Korkeemman Kaiun Saa/Higher Still Will Ring
The Finns also immobilized tanks with wooden logs. Shove one in the tracks of a tank and the track was stuck!
Yeah, logs and strangling the engine with fire aka The Molotov Cocktail.
Tar and gasoline + storm matches were a really hellish way to make them.
Can’t wait to use the Finnish guns and the winter only in the forest would be sooo cool
I had that Talvisota movie on DVD, it was a fine movie, but it's so depressing to see it like that, when the real Winter War had crazy snow, and the year they decided to film it, there was like 0 snow...
Probably easier to film in those conditions than really heavy snow ❄️
Reason was just that year when movie was filmed was very litle snow...@@IronHeartGamingYT
Good to know!@@filmfinland9691
Swedish brought some Swedish BAR lmg with them in Salla front. That is a one option for machinegunner. It was used only by Swedish in Salla but it is something to think about.
The Lahti-Saloranta M/26 serves this purpose better.
good video man! especially your prononciation was very good.
Thanks! I tried my best
I cannot wait to see my country in Hell Let Loose and i am itching to give it a go when it finally comes out! :D
Good video
Winchester M1895s were also used a bit so they could be a high level weapon for riflemen
I want “Njet Molotoff ” to be their victory song 🇫🇮
Fins should get logs to jam tracks on light tanks, requiring some one to unjam the log to get the tank moving
Cool Thumbnail 👍🏻
the maxims and mosins were not the same as russians had......... finns modified them to be much better and accurate, for example finnish mosins have different barrels and mechanism and the ironsights at one point came legendary as the best sights on rifle ever been. finnish maxim had higher fire rate than russian ones and better cooling system. fire rate was up to 950rpm but russian maxims were around 780rpm
Did you watch the video? I literally explained how Aimo Lahti was involved in upgrading loads of old Russian weapons. I specially mentioned that the Finns upgraded the Mosins they acquired.
Least autistic RUclips commenter
6:42 Finns did carry the gun without the tripod. It is really common to see in Finnish war books and movies. It is supposed to just rest on a log or a trench and used that way
For the music i recommend "Jääkärien marssi"
well researched
I was about to say that Finland also had Italian carcano rifles but looked at the dates and Finland didn't receive them until after the Winter War ended. They did use them in the Continuation War.
Haha no way, i originally asked them about adding the Winter War all the way back in 2017. Glad to see this finally happening in a proper WW2 title, as the Winter War is more often than not forgotten in WW2 videogames.
I would like to see a video covering British equipment and tanks and maps
10:33 would be nice that there would be scopeless rifle in sniper role too at level 3. Scopeless rifle would have better zoom with that iron sight. its not realistic but you can get moee accurate shots with iron sights
Yh I think adding a scopeless loadout would be a nice nod to Simo. Not sure how you could make it balanced if it had better ‘zoom’. Maybe instead of extra zoom make it a 1-shot kill to any part of the body.
@@IronHeartGamingYT i mean zoom that whole screen goest little bit closer and like the hell let loose videos where editor zooms when getting nice shot but of course way more less zoom
One thing that would be interesting. Engineers would be able to construct static machine nest (maxims) or it would be role for machine gunner
It would cool if deployable heavy machine guns were in HLL. They were supposed to be added to the game according the old roadmap but Team17 haven’t mentioned it in their new roadmap.
LS-26 had the weakness of being too well done gun and that gave it the bad habit to get frequent malfuctions and had 118 parts making cleaning it hard in battle situations. So they were mostly replaced by the captured Soviet DP 27's during the war as they had no such problems and had bigger ammo capacity. KP-31 "Korsu" was made specifically to be used in bunker observation domes that is why its stock is so short so it fit through the small dome and could be operated from there. Still it never saw action in Winter War as only about 550 units were produced in late 1940 and early 1941.
Häyhä did try out a scoped rifle during the war but he did not like how it made his head to be higher than he wanted so making him easier to spot.
I remember that Carcano and Arisaka rifles were in use during the war but I don't know to what extent
Finns ordered 100000 Carcano modello 38 rifles.
Finnish army didn't use Carcanos in winterwar.
And in continuation war it wasn't used by frontline troops.
Loved the video. Small point is that Swedish equipment wasn’t bought but gifted.
Approximately 2,000,000,000 SEK (US$ ~312,658,890) of financial aid - twice the size of the Finnish defense budget at the time
50,013,300 rounds of small arms ammunition
135,402 rifles
450 light machine guns
347 machine guns
301,846 artillery shells
144 field guns
92 anti-armor guns
100 anti-aircraft guns
300 sea mines
500 depth charges
83 motorcycles
83 cars
350 trucks
13 tractors
17 fighter aircraft
5 light bombers
1 transport aircraft
3 reconnaissance aircraft
Swedes definitely didn’t want Communism on their doorstop 😅
This is the greatest news I've heard in gaming history!
If they add Swedish weapons it would be really cool if they also made like a DLC with Swedish volunteer outfits
Yeah some Swedish volunteer cosmetics would be cool for the Winter War.
One pistol that I don't think you mentioned is FN Browning Hi Power. Finland had around 1000 or so before the winter war and after the war Finland got other 1000 more.
Thanks. Add it to the list!
DP 28 was popular enough in Finland to earn a nickname, Emma, after popular song because the magazine looks kind of a spinning record. Mauser M1916 got name Ukko-Mauser, ukko meaning an old man (or just man, it's complicated).
Also Finns named Molotov's cocktail, there's a proper recipe for them and I refuse to call other kind of petrol bombs Molotov's cocktail. Like calling a shot of vermouth martini.
It's actually DP-27. That Finnish nickname "Emma" came from a Finnish schlager hit from 1929, which was originally written by Väinö Siikaniemi. The gun's drum magazine on the top of the gun was spinning during the shooting like an old vinyl record on the gramophone.
@@raaka-arska1228 Yeah, I get those guns mixed often.
How about making L39 as crew served weapon. It weights absolute ton so two men are required to carry it. Make it two player heavy weapon and give it special rule where it can blind or outright kill the tank driver, hence making it difficult to operate requiring team work, but if operated correctly can take out tank easy as reward.
historically accurate weapons and stuffs i'm fine with that, i only request that when medics revive players that player body will magically stand straight getting them killed again or maybe add a drag system, so i can atleast drag the body while in prone to a safety spot
I just hope they use as many Finnish weapons as possible
Me too
The M27 was the primary service rifle of the Finns during the winter war
Lots of picture material here is from the Continuation war, but good content anyway… 💪
good video! What armoured vehicles do you think finland and poland will have?
I might make a video on that
Would be cool to use imported Stugs
@@user-en3uv4nh1y unfortunately not available during winter war
T26, the vickers tanks, bt7s, t34's and t28Es
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 Has it been confirmed to only be Winter War? The Continuation War also happened even if the Winter War is more popular
Biggest difference with Russian and Finn sub machineguns is the cartridge, Finns had 9mm parabellum while Russians shot 7.62X25mm Tokarev.
Before the winter war the Soviet leadership was quite disinterested in submachine guns in general. After the winter war that changed quite rapidly though and the magazine for PPSH-41 took a lot of inspiration from the drum magazines of the Suomi KP-31 although the guns themselves are quite different. The Brits also didn't really think too highly of submachine guns before the start of the war.
Got a quick question did we confirm it was winter war and not continuation as I didn’t see anything on that. Cause from what I know and what the dev team has shown while the historical accuracy is pretty solid on the types of guns and tanks that would exist over the whole war they are not super specific on what battles they are used in. So i feel for the sake balance they may include weapons that were not specifically accessible during every battle they plan to include. Which I honestly don’t mind especially for countries like Poland and Finland as this is a multiplayer shooter not a story based historically driven game. The Germans can win ww2 battles they lost and the other way around. So I don’t think they will stick to year specific weapons for either country but I may be wrong.
Team17 were quite specific about the Winter War: ruclips.net/video/ioV1wtyvNKk/видео.html .
M39 anti tank rifle looks like the fallout 3 gauss rifle
But all and all very good video.
There is also older weapons at winter war, for example 64th brigade got berdan rifles from 1860ties. And some even older. One shot hunting rifles. Commander of 64th, Uno Fagernäs told soldiers who said these are lousy weapons, just take weapons from russians, and they do so at Raate road...
4:45 second and 1.ltn Junior officer next Captain 3 buttons
Maybe i could finally yell finnish from the snow to the red army
As of now the Finns are delayed or on hold ☹️
i would love if they implemented deep snow in the finnish maps(not everywhere of course that it doesnt get annoying but enough to actually repesent the snow in finland that got really deep), that if u are walking in it youre slower and sink in to make the russians in a disadvantage and then have skis for the finns to fly by and do querilla attacks with the suomi kp, and molotov cocktails to use on the tanks and i really hope that the developers go to finland to look at the forests around the places that finns fought on to get a realistic feel of the forests on what they are like and maybe enjoy a cold beer in the sauna!
and the deep snow would make the tanks to use roads mainly cause they would get stuck cause thats what mainly happened in the finnish wars cause the russian border (and the forests) have trees so close to eachother and they are so thick oak that the tanks couldnt get through the forests and the snow was so deep and in the continuation war there is alot of marsh or SUO that the tanks were at a severe disadvantage
i also hope that they use experts from all the countries that they are going to implement so that it gets a realistic feel but is still fun to play
@@tehoshit Not oak, we generally don't have oak here in Finland. Mainly just thick pine and spruce where the battles happened.
I’m going to do a video on the vehicles (or transport) the Finns and Poles could get. I’ll definitely talk about Finnish cross country skiing which was pivotal in the Winter War.
@@murmenaattori6 joo sori muistin et oak on mänty
For tanks, Finland could use Vickers 6 Ton tanks and even Renault FT 17 tanks. The Vickers would be fairly decent, but the FT 17 tanks would be very vunerable, thus i think there might have to be some rebalance of soviet AT role.
Renault tanks were dug into the ground and used as a static pillboxes. They never saw actual combat as "tanks".
Can't wait to get this front
I can’t wait for the snow to start speaking Finnish
@@IronHeartGamingYT poetry
as a finnish man i am so exited to play this
It is suchs a shame that so many WW2 games skip winter war and specially the Finnish part of it. If Finland would have lost that war, we maybe would have lost whole northern EU or current war in Ukraine could be about Russia attacking Sweden. Definitely gonna reinstall Hell Let Loose when they add the Winter war in the game.
Well Finland did loose both wars, but during winter war prevented the red army overwhelming entire country. I think they boasted "week, and we are in helsinki" or something like that
I believe the Finnish could also probably get Swedish and Norwegian Nagants .
I just want more weapon options in this game .
Team 17 adds winter war: Ls 26 non deployable bipod
LOL bro plz don’t give them any ideas (they probably will do that anyway)
Soumi gonna go crazy
I am very much down for a Machine Gunner role using the lewis gun
When the pronunciation of "norsupyssy" is of by 1 vowel and hits a little different 😳
So I wasn’t far off 🤣
@@IronHeartGamingYT haha, yeah, "pussy" is not quite it, it's a bit hard to explain because the english vowel Y is basically the finnish vowels A and I put together, where as the finnish vowel Y is completely different and doesn't really have a counterpart in english. you can really only learn it by ear.
Not that it matters, you got it right well enough with what you have, although "elephant pussy" cracked me up a little 😂
Finnish Army rifle is not Mosin it was "Sotilaskivääri" m/39 that was based on Mosin... and all these Rifles were made in Finland by SAKO (Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Oy 1921-1938) which was providing the weapons to the White Guard after the Civil War. So we had our own rifle before the War broke, but we sure used the Russian locks for them, and ammo. fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotilaskiv%C3%A4%C3%A4ri_m/39
Bro the M/39 is a Finnish Mosin.
One great source for Finnish military equipment in the first half of the 20th century is jaegerplatoon.
Assault or automatic rifleman should have avtomat fedorov. Finns captured some of those too.
Better to have KP 31 in that position with stick magazines, while assault would get the drum magazine.
Any idea when this is coming to the game?. As a Finn i have to give this a try and make a comeback to Hell let loose
December. Check out my video on the 2023 road map for the game ruclips.net/video/ioV1wtyvNKk/видео.html
@@IronHeartGamingYT Thanks. Maybe they get it out in time for Finnish independence day on 6th of december, that would be fitting
That would be good timing!
now for the poms!
8:22 Not only did finns "make good use" of molotov cocktails, we invented them to begin with! The name came from the soviet foreign ministers name, who made propaganda that declared on soviet state radio that incendiary bombing runs over Finland were actually "humanitarian food deliveries", which finns sarcastically dubbed "molotovs bread baskets". And since any good meal needs a drink to go with it, the molotov cocktail was born.
The name was coined by Finns but bottles filled with flammable liquid were used against tanks prior to the Winter War. They were used in the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) and the Khalkhin Gol battles (May-September 1939) by Japanese troops against Soviet tanks.
@@IronHeartGamingYT I didn't know that! But looking at the wikipedia page for the weapon, it would seem that the spaniards and japanese used them as simply gasoline in a bottle, while finns were the first to put some thought into it to make the liquid stick better and burn longer by using additives. So there's that at least 😄
Also having a look on the finnish wikipedia page, it seems that the invention of the finnish variant is credited to a captain Kuittinen of Koria Garrison, shortly before the winter war began. I think it's just a case of multiple nations inventing something independently of eachother. Like when the crossbow was invented independently on 4 different continents.
Yh and flames have been used as a weapon for centuries. Set fire to something and throw it at the enemy, usually does a good job 👍
My grandfqrher was machinegunner 1939-1944
Any idea what kind of machine gun he used?
@@IronHeartGamingYT maxim, water cooling
The only thing I fear is team17 making us have the same soviets from kursk and stalingrad in the winter war.
The way to go would be less (ams different) smgs and period accurate tanks.
And different cosmetics because of the 1943 uniform change in the soviet army.
I just hope that they don't have the nerve to put ppš-41 and IS-2s in a 1939 campaign.
Another nice addotion would be asian-like faces, because of the heavy use of siberian infantry in the conflicts (I just want to mow down mongol hordes with a Maxim MG).
Before the last two updates and the disgraceful Update 15 trailer I would have been hopeful but right now Team17 NEED to earn back the favour of the community. Trust is at an all time low because of their failings.
@@IronHeartGamingYT I am still hopeful, I mean a bad trailer doesn't mean they did everything wrong, at least I hope the trailer was bad because they had to do other stuff and rushed it.
The trailer was unprofessional garbage, which also had almost zero to do with the actual content coming with Update 15 and the last two updates were quite problematic. They have apologised and now just need to deliver some good content to win back support from players who love the game.
@@IronHeartGamingYT makes sense.
Just to be sure, shouldn't someone suggest them to make period accurate factions, I fear that they might seriously want to reuse the same factions in different historical contexts, and that would ruin the whole thing basically.
I think you are missing Ruby pistol in pistols. Finland got several batches of those
Yh and Browning Hi Powers as well as other pistol models. My list isn’t exhaustive but just gives a flavour of the sort of weapons the Finns could realistically get.
Sweden lend about 100.000 mausers to Finland during the war
Kind of hope the maxim is not part of the machine gunner class. Unless u can literally only fire it once it’s set up. It just feels so tacky in like battlefield games where u can carry fire that thing. I know there’s points in the game that for gameplay sake can’t be historically accurate, however people running around terminator firing a maxim would be kind of absurd to me. Would totally be down however, if it had almost an AT gun type role where u had to set it up first.
Maxim should be a fixed deployable heavy machine gun. I agree not something which can be carried around by a single soldier
9:07 heyy that's a swedish helmet on the right! Not very often you see them being used by the finns
Popably Swe volunteers
Finlandiya!!! 💪
We write it Finlandia
Hey, where did you get the background music that plays in the first minute of the video? It's the melody of a rare finnish fascist song.
Interwebs
@@IronHeartGamingYT That doesn't help me much. My hobby is this kind of music, and I have not heard that version before. I would appreciate if you could be more specific.
@@jaskamattila4481 ruclips.net/video/dzwLf5GiAaI/видео.html
@@IronHeartGamingYT thanks!
07:12 I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at "Norsupussy".
My dude how is it supposed to be pronounced? 😂
@@IronHeartGamingYT Less naughty way.
I hope one loadout is "Swedish volunteer"
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Maybe with like a Swedish volunteer outfit DLC that would be awesome
Nice, would love to se Suomi in HLL. Sweden sent allmost 10k troops, 135k rifles, 92 anti-tanks guns and more. Finland did not buy them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_intervention_in_the_Winter_War
Swedish volunteers numbered around 8,000, the rest were Norwegians and Danes. Sweden did gift a lot of equipment but the Finns also bought weapons from Sweden and other countries.
@@IronHeartGamingYT The Swedish Volunteer Corps (Swedish: Svenska frivilligkåren) during the Winter War numbered 9,640 officers and men. By the end of the war, the Volunteer Corps was composed of 8,260 Swedes, plus 725 Norwegians, and 600 Danes.[1] They demonstrated a strong Nordic unity that was symbolized in their "four brother hands" insignia which represented Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark.