In 2014 I had 3.89s, Tru Trak and 35 spline axles swapped into my 74 F100. It had a stock 351W and Lentech AOD. The valetrain was going out, then the oil pump the third time I drove it after the gear swap. I had a reman 351W, Gt40-P heads, Comp XE262 and spider, roller rockers, Rhoads lifters, gear drive, Edelbrock performer, Davis Unified HEI, Holley SA770, flex fan and 302 style air cleaner with 3" K&N element put together. Next is lower gears in the AOD, then sway bars.
hey guys... incase you didn't know LT has his own channel here on the u tubes with some fresh projects. you guys should definitely check out his channel and give him some love.
Cool episode. I like it. With that being said , modern media is most chevy or dodge as far as domestic goes . He'll we can't even get a dedicated ford episode without something else popping up. This episode had that 08 Silverado, I know you guys do adds to pay bills but damn man . Ford guys/gals are often disappointed.
Was a nice build I would have added a good quality stroker kit to say 393 or 408 and bumped to the compression a bit to finish it off would make a stout little windsor.
Yea I agree but that build was so they can run 89 or 87 octane and the truck will be very streetable ! And it's not worth the extra 50-90hp . Iv had and built so many engines from 14:1- 11.:1 compression with 650+ lift and hated the street ability and running race fuel or 93 octane only joy I had was when I put my foot in it it made me smile
@@shawnboy4368 for sure man if your like me you always want a little more lol I'm fortunate we have a local pump with 100 octane unleaded for the same price as 91 premium.
@@jamesunderdal8976 yea , we have a e85 stations they could do a e85 build and stressed things like the different types of carburetors who's not all carburetors or E85 compliant just as well as not all the fuel systems so that would be something cool if they could do as well
Absolutely love what you have done with the truck. One thing I was trying to remember on a 351, wasn't a couple of the head bolts actually going into water jackets and need to have sealant applied to them?
Yeah, pulled the lower intake off my '95 F250 with the 5.8 and the fore-most bolts stayed in the heads as I loosened them. Don't know what Ford engineers were thinking with that design. The option was to have the heads redrilled and heli-coiled or go aftermarket. Those bolts rust-welded themselves in place, there was no saving them. I have a feeling the water pump cover is going to give me the same type of grief.
It would be nice to see how the ports match up on that Edelbrock equipment before you installed them. Most gearheads are going to sleep with these parts for a few days before they send them out to the garage you know. I like Edelbrock stuff.
In 2005 I bought an F100 from a guy in Texas for $7K + shipping, looks identical to your 74. Then l bought a stroked Keith Craft 421 short-block that made 618 hp and 548 ft.lb. Then added a complete 4-link system, the design of which, I was fortunate to get from Art Morrison.
if bearings get you any power, things are pretty damn wrong I'll say that the title is quite wrong: they aren't really modifying the bottom end at all, it's top end that they're improving.
factory heads on a ford choke it to death ya gotta open the exhaust valve to make'em breath thats what i did on my 460 but i eventually went with edelbroke heads and should have the 1st go around b4 spending a bunch of $$ on head work...rookie mistake haha
I had an 86 F150 with the 351w in high school. It made what I considered good power with the "new" reman engine we put in it, with those sort of upgrades id have never had any tires and would probably have been in trouble lol
Why not go full roller cam? They make a retro mod kit that ditches the flat tappet lifters for rollers. Seen serious issues with after market flat tappet lifters lately and for not that much difference in cost, you can eliminate that problem as well as be able to run a much more aggressive cam
I think I would have done a better job cleaning the timing cover and the old fuel pump. The inside of the cover looked pretty bad and the pump was still grimy
This LS Chevy is a good motor in any Chevy Vehicle.That is why Ford had to create the 5.0 Coyote. If you are going to engine swap out that in there and you will have a beast 380 to 500 hp. All depends on how you set up the ECU programming. Plus it's way lighter than in old iron block.
It's been awhile since this video came out where in the world did you get the idea to point the number one cylinder to the back of the engine. The number one cylinder is on the back of the engine. Even though Ford doesn't know how to number their cylinders, you'll always point the rotor towards the number one cylinder. But I've only been working on cars since 1964. I've never seen anybody fail to do that. The only time that changes is on a Chrysler product where they are smart enough to actually design the distributor to only go either in Phase or out of phase by 180°. I have never watched any of these people on RUclips, nobody, show how to phase a distributor that slightly out of phase. And there is a procedure for that. And everybody makes too big a deal out of a little bit of dry rot on tires. Pray some 303 protectant on it, even on the tread let it dry overnight and leave it the hell alone. If you think they're a bit dry do a second application.
What would a Trick flow top end kit be worth on power over the Edelbrock top end kit ? And would You use it ? Thank You for any information that You could give Me . 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
@@brandonbell3089 I've done the same before. The only thing it hurts is power :) - still runs fine though if you're on a budget; but you will sacrifice power, sometimes a lot!
@@brandonbell3089 On the dyno they only made 245rwhp LOL. That kit makes 412 to 420 crank on a fresh short-block which would be around 320rwhp. So they ONLY sacrificed 70hp by not rebuilding LOL.
would keeping a points style distributor in combo with these edelbrock heads be bad for the engine? I already acquired a stock points distributor but now Im considering these performer heads...
Hold up wait a minute....I just did what you did but mines is bored 40 over and not elder but equivalent...and I'm running a 600 elder and you read forms and they say 700- 750 to much 650 perfect...some one pls ?? Help me understand... because I was thinking a 700 would wake it up a little
Na, you can get 400hp out of a 351w with bolt on parts, at the crank! Heads, cam, and intake, just like any other engine! Start with heads and intake. Then cam and carb! Ran cheap Windsors for years! You cam get 400hp at the crank with a 306, for a while!😂😂
I would be surprised if you got 400hp at the crank with that compression ratio those parts and that particular Ford engine. Which may be why we didn't see any dyno numbers. The 351 Windsor is a reliable enough light truck or base car engine in it's day. Getting one to make a bunch of hp is difficult BECAUSE among other things the bottom end. And the top end. What your bujld may have accomplished is possibly 325 hp at the crank and around 250 260 at the wheels. Almost ANY other small block engine in this displacement range makes more power easier than the 351Windsor . Frankly I'd rather start with a 300 Cid inclined 6 Ford . Or a stroker 302 Windsor . Or a 351 Cleveland 2 or 4 bbl engine. Or a SBC OR a 360 Chrysler. Or a 360 FE OR 352 FE.
You must have had some bad experiences with 351s. I think 375-400 is a reasonable goal with setup. They aren't going for max hp here anyway. Seems like they are going for something more streetable. Also, you haven't seen dyno runs because they haven't gotten to that point in the series yet. Making power with a 351 is easy because the stock heads are so bad a top end with a reasonable cam makes a ton more power than stock. Heck, check out Richard Holdner's junk yard dyno runs. He pulled a junkyard 351 and put on heads, cam, intake and made over 450. His cam was a lot wilder and I think it might have been a roller but probably wasn't worth 50 HP. Funny you mentioned you would rather do a stroked 302. A 302 is essentially a higher deck height 351 with a much weaker block so whatever shortcomings a 351 has, a 302 has them and the bottom end can handle about 250 less HP.
You can make power with fords . no need to go to that chevy Ls stuff!:)))😮 i had a 351 W in a car i had and it had. CJ HEADS AND MANIFOLD i guess you guys don't know about fords power mixtures they did in the 70s??😊
You start out with simple goal- then produce a moon- shot expensive product.Expenses May be not an issue for your production company; the real world operates on a budget. This is pure fantasy/ with a misleading introduction.
No that's not a good idea you can make all the power you need if you are a ford man if you are Chevrolet man stay away you have no idea how to make a ford run boys rebuild that engine all the way don't half ass it l.d.k.
A engine is a air pump. Obviously they all can make power 😅🤣. You don’t have a be a Ford guy to make power with one. But you do have to spend more money on a ford engine
I love videos of people working on engines of old trucks from the INSIDE of the engine compartment.
Why use a flat tappet when a hydraulic roller give a lot more power
Didn’t know We-man started building engines.
In 2014 I had 3.89s, Tru Trak and 35 spline axles swapped into my 74 F100. It had a stock 351W and Lentech AOD. The valetrain was going out, then the oil pump the third time I drove it after the gear swap. I had a reman 351W, Gt40-P heads, Comp XE262 and spider, roller rockers, Rhoads lifters, gear drive, Edelbrock performer, Davis Unified HEI, Holley SA770, flex fan and 302 style air cleaner with 3" K&N element put together. Next is lower gears in the AOD, then sway bars.
hey guys... incase you didn't know LT has his own channel here on the u tubes with some fresh projects. you guys should definitely check out his channel and give him some love.
channel name?
@@beans4269 LawrenceLTTolman
The title says bottom end, y’all did top end.
@@bigboreracing356 bottom end needs flattops
Can you do a video building a 5.3 with forged pistons from summit and a Texas speed 232-234 cam and nitrous and ported original 243 heads
Cool episode. I like it. With that being said , modern media is most chevy or dodge as far as domestic goes . He'll we can't even get a dedicated ford episode without something else popping up. This episode had that 08 Silverado, I know you guys do adds to pay bills but damn man . Ford guys/gals are often disappointed.
Was a nice build I would have added a good quality stroker kit to say 393 or 408 and bumped to the compression a bit to finish it off would make a stout little windsor.
Yea I agree but that build was so they can run 89 or 87 octane and the truck will be very streetable ! And it's not worth the extra 50-90hp . Iv had and built so many engines from 14:1- 11.:1 compression with 650+ lift and hated the street ability and running race fuel or 93 octane only joy I had was when I put my foot in it it made me smile
@@shawnboy4368 for sure man if your like me you always want a little more lol I'm fortunate we have a local pump with 100 octane unleaded for the same price as 91 premium.
They could have at least freshened up the bottom end.
That would have blown their budget. But you are correct.
@@jamesunderdal8976 yea , we have a e85 stations they could do a e85 build and stressed things like the different types of carburetors who's not all carburetors or E85 compliant just as well as not all the fuel systems so that would be something cool if they could do as well
Absolutely love what you have done with the truck. One thing I was trying to remember on a 351, wasn't a couple of the head bolts actually going into water jackets and need to have sealant applied to them?
Yeah, pulled the lower intake off my '95 F250 with the 5.8 and the fore-most bolts stayed in the heads as I loosened them. Don't know what Ford engineers were thinking with that design. The option was to have the heads redrilled and heli-coiled or go aftermarket. Those bolts rust-welded themselves in place, there was no saving them. I have a feeling the water pump cover is going to give me the same type of grief.
I thought we were going to see some dyno numbers! Either way, awesome build!
Yes I was waiting and did you achieve the horsepower you were looking for
It would be nice to see how the ports match up on that Edelbrock equipment before you installed them. Most gearheads are going to sleep with these parts for a few days before they send them out to the garage you know. I like Edelbrock stuff.
It won't matter on a street pickup but I get what you're saying
Lol, the new guy standing inside the engine bay and putting head covers.
In 2005 I bought an F100 from a guy in Texas for $7K + shipping, looks identical to your 74. Then l bought a stroked Keith Craft 421 short-block that made 618 hp and 548 ft.lb. Then added a complete 4-link system, the design of which, I was fortunate to get from Art Morrison.
Just adding a fresh set of bearings and flat top pistons would have made a TON of difference in power.
This is a staged upgrade series.
They are starting out like a normal entry-level wrench.
This is supposed to finish up as a fabrication tutorial
No it wouldn’t have. The bores are wore out. Hell a shim head gasket would bump the compression up if that’s what your meaning
I think he’s explaining what he did with his f100…..
if bearings get you any power, things are pretty damn wrong
I'll say that the title is quite wrong: they aren't really modifying the bottom end at all, it's top end that they're improving.
factory heads on a ford choke it to death ya gotta open the exhaust valve to make'em breath thats what i did on my 460 but i eventually went with edelbroke heads and should have the 1st go around b4 spending a bunch of $$ on head work...rookie mistake haha
I had an 86 F150 with the 351w in high school. It made what I considered good power with the "new" reman engine we put in it, with those sort of upgrades id have never had any tires and would probably have been in trouble lol
Why not go full roller cam? They make a retro mod kit that ditches the flat tappet lifters for rollers. Seen serious issues with after market flat tappet lifters lately and for not that much difference in cost, you can eliminate that problem as well as be able to run a much more aggressive cam
I think I would have done a better job cleaning the timing cover and the old fuel pump. The inside of the cover looked pretty bad and the pump was still grimy
This is a awesome how to stage 1 truck
Good to see LT back!
He's not back , this is an old episode
This LS Chevy is a good motor in any Chevy Vehicle.That is why Ford had to create the 5.0 Coyote. If you are going to engine swap out that in there and you will have a beast 380 to 500 hp. All depends on how you set up the ECU programming. Plus it's way lighter than in old iron block.
I love old trucks. You need to get right in there to do anything.
I agree with some comment pistons and cleaning old parts. Don't know, would an electric fuel pump be better than stock? Can someone answer plz
Use studs to install intake manifold.
Agreed.
I've only watched the first half of the video so far but I'm confused by the title saying they are improving the BOTTOM end.
I saw that too. That has to be a mistake
@@bigboreracing356 hahaha! No.
@@bigboreracing356 hahaha! Wrong again, Batman.
Does this also Work in a Marine aplication wir a 351 w
if u know u know ..heads = power
Where have been good if you cranked the engine so we can see how it runs and sounds.
Wow, an F-100, and you could put a snow plow on it, now Ya need a F-350 piece of JUNK!!
It's been awhile since this video came out where in the world did you get the idea to point the number one cylinder to the back of the engine. The number one cylinder is on the back of the engine. Even though Ford doesn't know how to number their cylinders, you'll always point the rotor towards the number one cylinder. But I've only been working on cars since 1964. I've never seen anybody fail to do that. The only time that changes is on a Chrysler product where they are smart enough to actually design the distributor to only go either in Phase or out of phase by 180°.
I have never watched any of these people on RUclips, nobody, show how to phase a distributor that slightly out of phase. And there is a procedure for that.
And everybody makes too big a deal out of a little bit of dry rot on tires. Pray some 303 protectant on it, even on the tread let it dry overnight and leave it the hell alone. If you think they're a bit dry do a second application.
What would a Trick flow top end kit be worth on power over the Edelbrock top end kit ? And would You use it ? Thank You for any information that You could give Me . 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
Which kit?
The 170 kit is meant for 302s like mine that's a small ass head for a 351 the Edelbrock rpm 351 are 190s
@@KingJT80 the 190 kit
That short-block is worn out! A lot of work to just have to go in and do it again. The stock pistons are also 8.5 to 8.8 compression.
I’ve ran wore the hell out blocks all of my life. It isn’t going to hurt a thing. A shim head gasket would bump the compression up
@@brandonbell3089 I've done the same before. The only thing it hurts is power :) - still runs fine though if you're on a budget; but you will sacrifice power, sometimes a lot!
@@cgarris8674 no you won’t sacrifice a whole lot
@@brandonbell3089 On the dyno they only made 245rwhp LOL. That kit makes 412 to 420 crank on a fresh short-block which would be around 320rwhp. So they ONLY sacrificed 70hp by not rebuilding LOL.
60cc chambers not 76cc
would keeping a points style distributor in combo with these edelbrock heads be bad for the engine? I already acquired a stock points distributor but now Im considering these performer heads...
At 4000 rpm...no. at 6500 rpm...kinda yeah.
2 bolt or 4 bolt main?
Hold up wait a minute....I just did what you did but mines is bored 40 over and not elder but equivalent...and I'm running a 600 elder and you read forms and they say 700- 750 to much 650 perfect...some one pls ?? Help me understand... because I was thinking a 700 would wake it up a little
Funny dumbass I owned a 351 Cleveland in a 72 Cougar that made 404 Horsepower dyno'd and I didn't have to spend a fortune.
Cool story bro
@@KingJT80 Thank you...don't why the guy ar power nation said that. I have several friends that love the surprising power output of the 351C!
@@txnetcop well this is a Windsor
So you know that Windsor and your Cleveland are different animals. 351Cs are baddass
@@KingJT80 True but Windsor can easily be converted to produce 400 hp, the torque won't be as high but HP will reach it
They all can make power. A engine is a air pump
What’s the point of degreeing a cam when using non-adjustable cam drive?
You’re going to tune for max power regardless of the timing location right?
Verifying the specs I'd imagine.
You should still know where its at and yes that chain can be adjusted some are pretty adjustable
For education my guess
They paid for advertising.
Wish a company would start making the gt-40 lowers for these again. Can pick an explorer upper all day at the wrecking yard
Not every company would take a chance by hiring a dwarf. Hats off to PowerNation for giving Jeremy a shot!
Good God, Man!
@@gregbrightwell4682 What? I'm ecstatic that he's gainfully employed.
@@abefroman4953 🤣🤣
funny how they seem to have gone through a doctrine on how to talk on the show
What no new fuel pump!
Na, you can get 400hp out of a 351w with bolt on parts, at the crank! Heads, cam, and intake, just like any other engine! Start with heads and intake. Then cam and carb! Ran cheap Windsors for years! You cam get 400hp at the crank with a 306, for a while!😂😂
A 106° centerline isnt a cam for a heavy vehicle like a truck!!
You didn’t even check the pushrod lengths wtf???
AH YEAH! Another 351w!
An "LS" is just as bad as a Ford.🤘
I would be surprised if you got 400hp at the crank with that compression ratio those parts and that particular Ford engine.
Which may be why we didn't see any dyno numbers.
The 351 Windsor is a reliable enough light truck or base car engine in it's day.
Getting one to make a bunch of hp is difficult BECAUSE among other things the bottom end. And the top end.
What your bujld may have accomplished is possibly 325 hp at the crank and around 250 260 at the wheels.
Almost ANY other small block engine in this displacement range makes more power easier than the 351Windsor .
Frankly I'd rather start with a 300 Cid inclined 6 Ford .
Or a stroker 302 Windsor .
Or a 351 Cleveland 2 or 4 bbl engine.
Or a SBC OR
a 360 Chrysler.
Or a 360 FE OR 352 FE.
You must have had some bad experiences with 351s. I think 375-400 is a reasonable goal with setup. They aren't going for max hp here anyway. Seems like they are going for something more streetable. Also, you haven't seen dyno runs because they haven't gotten to that point in the series yet. Making power with a 351 is easy because the stock heads are so bad a top end with a reasonable cam makes a ton more power than stock. Heck, check out Richard Holdner's junk yard dyno runs. He pulled a junkyard 351 and put on heads, cam, intake and made over 450. His cam was a lot wilder and I think it might have been a roller but probably wasn't worth 50 HP. Funny you mentioned you would rather do a stroked 302. A 302 is essentially a higher deck height 351 with a much weaker block so whatever shortcomings a 351 has, a 302 has them and the bottom end can handle about 250 less HP.
@@danmallery9142302 is lower deck not higher deck
Title of video is " improving bottom end ". Guess they don't know which end is up or down. 😜😜😜😜😜
They ain't all there are they.
Mfs never had a 351 cleveland🤣
😂😂. The clevland is a good engine but it’s not all that 😂. The truck had a Windsor so they built it 🤷
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I predict that it's going to start burning oil, after you bolt on fresh heads.
Soooo they doing the top or bottom end lol
You can make power with fords . no need to go to that chevy Ls stuff!:)))😮 i had a 351 W in a car i had and it had. CJ HEADS AND MANIFOLD i guess you guys don't know about fords power mixtures they did in the 70s??😊
Nice build
Good luck 👍
WaYa Say Power nation ( BEER CHUG WATCHING NASCAR ON FOX )
I'm done.
Yeah I never throw a Chevy engine in a Ford
$12k...?
Dyno?
You start out with simple goal- then produce a moon- shot expensive product.Expenses May be not an issue for your production company; the real world operates on a budget. This is pure fantasy/ with a misleading introduction.
A top end isn't that much comparatively. Just buy it piece by piece if you're strapped for cash
polishing a turd
Ford🏁🇺🇸
I'd rather have a pedal car than an "loser solution" engine.
Quickest I ever replied.
No that's not a good idea you can make all the power you need if you are a ford man if you are Chevrolet man stay away you have no idea how to make a ford run boys rebuild that engine all the way don't half ass it l.d.k.
Truth !!!!!!!!!!!!
Not everyone likes to spend more money on a Windsor to make less power 😂😂
A engine is a air pump. Obviously they all can make power 😅🤣. You don’t have a be a Ford guy to make power with one. But you do have to spend more money on a ford engine
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