JAY SLATER "Rugged and Treacherous Deathtrap Ravine" Where Jay Died Has Been Identified
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The go fund me has raised over 60 THOUSAND and the mother is asking for more to give her son a good send off. !
It would take less than half of that to bring him home and have an amazing send off.
Maybe all the rest could go to the search teams who risked their lives looking for him.
Con qué diesen las gracias y no nos escupiesen en la cara , pues bueno pero al revés .
Searchers had to be taken in and out by helicopter. That's how dangerous it is. What's worse is that the mother is now asking for even more money to "give him a huge send-off". The Go-fund-me has already raised over £60k, but she's asking for more?
It's not your money to begin with so what is your problem? You seem to forget there are many people who don't have your hate opinion and are most willing to help the family. Not sure why you are so angry over who I give my money to for my own reasons? Are you jealous people help them out because you hate them? Learn to mind your own finance, the donations is not your business.
Living in the area! He couldn’t walk along the coast, as there is not an open area from the Beach i Masca , the clifts and very High mountains going out in the water dosen’t make it possible anyway no matter how much you talk about it , sorry !
The important issue here , what is talked about locally - that is mostly who is the ond responsible for placing Jay in this secluded area he couldn’t leave on his own? And why?
He was a teenager on his first holiday without his family! He had been partying for three days..he was not in the right frame of mind..tired, hungover, hungry, no battery on his phone! No life experience! We have all made mistakes when we were young...Jay was very unfortunate!! 😢😢
TBH who needs enemies with friends like that, all of them the ones at the party and the ones at the Rb&B, in fact, this story is still fishy.
Agreed
They were up at the Air b&b with him that night
@@thecasualfancorner Fair enough, but also who goes on Holiday for 2 days in Tenerife, go to Weston-Super-Mare or something? And who leaves a friend, a kid, in the middle of nowhere knowing he is coming down without parachute - apparently literally so -
oh wait no 1 fag (...).
I actually have a house on a volcanic Island, I did trek a couple of time uphill, but I know that past the sheep's farm, there is no trail, it's not if you will fall, but when you will fall and because all those places have 'torrents' there is no taking off roads, there is always a cliff then another cliff then another, because water has to come down from the mountain somehow so they are parallels, it's not a trek, it's Mount Everest in instalments, all the possible roads have already been opened 100ds of years ago there are no shortcuts, you either take the beach, you swim if it's rocky, or the passes (or you wait for the bus to pass.
Also speaking of falling it's actually easier when pushed, why didn't he wait for the bus, asks my wife?
Sells Crack Cocaine and Heroin to poor helpless souls who become enslaved to their master until death or sobriety. But im sure AYUB QASSIM is a delightful loving individual ❤
@@thewizardsofthezoo5376 Yes - his "mates" need to come clean - at the rave other young lads were noticing Jay being "affected" so Lucy & Brad - both now tightlipped & probably "scared"?
It’s called a death trap for a reason - once you’ve gone down it’s nearly impossible to climb back up - other hikers and volunteers have said this and shown it!
Thank you TCRS for your coverage on this case, it has had me gripped from the start.
Found your channel by accident and it’s first time I’ve listened to your analysis. You have handled the entire story with class and grace - and proven you are the real deal.
So sad for Jay, but at least you have shed light on all the mystery and always maintained the facts .
Thank you
Jay had a criminal record in the UK, the police would have his fingerprints
Jay was on holiday with the mindset of a carefree attitude. The actions he took, going out of town away from his hotel and friends, not charging his phone, not taking water. This all says lack of personal responsibility.
Jay had no idea what he was walking into, the thrill seeker in him thought it would be no problem to walk through the mountains. He was impatient in all his decisions. Very sad he couldn't just stop and think.
I so wish he had.
The most intelligent comment I have seen so far, I also agree.
@DadMeiks-y2m
That's the wonderful thing, we all have different opinions. Move along 😅
@@earth0128 been thinking this from day 1. Poor decisions cost him his life very sad
@@earth0128 as the brain of teenangers are not able to Connect “ if i do this , what May it course of consequenses in the Long run” too, it is very difficult to know if the men going to Masca forced him, if he was tricked, if he asked Them to bring him? Something is shady !
No matter what, it seems if he couldn’t go back to their B&B, why?
Did They in some Strange way have something to do with Jay have to leave the B&B?
@DadMeiks-y2mmost insulting!.. you clearly haven’t read much about JS 😑
Nope, He was pushed, Or at least running away from someone trying to attack him.
😂😂😂
There has been too much evidence from Jay's friends and others, ie; photo/videos and webcam evidence that shows 3rd party involvement. Not an accident, and I'm not an armchair detective but did use to work for the Police. My opinion and I've had evidence sent me, which I have passed on. My opinion will never change. I've followed from the beginning. I have boys similar age and it breaks my heart that this has happened and hasn't been correctly handled. RiP beautiful Jay ❤ 🙏 🕊
I think you need to apologise with your careless conspiracies. RIP Jay
It’s likely he didn’t feel safe sleeping at the air b&b with two dodgy characters and then trusting them to drive him back so he t hought best to walk back to his hotel.
Obviously this was a costly mistake especially since he went the wrong way, walking that far with a lack of sleep and dehydrated and in those temperatures wasn’t a clever decision
well said i agree
@@yobro683you need to open your eyes
Jay didn't go on his own with 2 men.....
Lucy and Brad went there also.
They all walked for an "Adventure" They pushed him to his death.
This explains why the last photo taken its not Jays hand and the red quilt is from Lucy's room.
You say he took the path of least resistance? Through THAT terrain? You sure about that?
Sadly, Nick seems to have lost track himself, venturing into wild speculation.
Because he was heading downhill not continuing uphill. He was probably knackered walking uphill. Tenerife hills are steep and ongoing.
@@Auntypsychotic12i have followed the road, the whole way is steep, uphill. The point he turned off downhill, heads towards inhospitibal terrain, then further, towards the sea, which is down a sheer cliff with no way to trace along. Just 1 look at a map, very briefly shows this.
At 19, if i didnt want to wait for a bus/couldnt afford it, i would walk the bus route, which was down hill. The clue is the side of the road you have to get the bus from.
He made a string of stupid decisions if he truly left in a hurry, ignored advice, went in the opposite direction, uphill, then turned off towards the sea through harsh terrain towards a sheer cliff face that is impossible to trace along the shoreline...
@@murder13love I don't think any more explanations will help.
@TCRS it's NOT an explanation rather an opinion! You have no proof he went that way out of free will especially as his father said it would be completely out of character for him to do so. On top of that all the lies told by those who last saw and spoke to him. Suggests foul play end of
The two British guys who lured Jay into their Masca rented rbnb should be questioned by the British Police because they know how Jay died but yet they not said the trues People are not stupid they know who's responsible for this 19yrs old young death
Yea I do wonder if they booked that BNB with the purpose to entice Jay up there.
There are still too many unanswered questions for sure....
@@linseybrownlie3680 Exactly agree with you🩷
The mum did not shed one tear and now she is asking for more money ….
What a f@@@@@g liberty , I really am lost for words with this family .
Why not accept the ride? Why did he have his possessions clothes and his documents with him? Was he leaving or going somewhere? I still have a feeling that something is not right. Its just not logical. I don't accept it just being mere folly
Because he'd nicked their drugs or money.
@@Mathemagical55 definitely more to this story 😕
You're nosey opinions are heartless and shows no empathy for this poor kid. You care more for drama than the 'boring' truth. You should apologise.
When you go clubbing you have to show ID , he obviously had his iD with him .
@@yobro683 WTF would you know about me. Excuse me?
He died in the car or he actually died in the B&B. He was stabbed on the beach that is a four minuted walk from the Papagayo nightclub in which the festival ended. He was taken in the car to the B&B in Masca. He died in the car on the way to the B&B. If he died in the car, then his dead body was taken into the B&B and Lucy and Brad were both called and told to come to the B&B because "something happened". If he was not dead yet when he arrived at the B&B, then one of the two 'B&B guys' (the two renters) actually did make him a bed at the B&B and he died in the B&B and this was most probably because in he end they could not stop his leg from keeping on bleeding too much. His stabwound was pressed during the car ride to close it off to prevent bleeding him from bleeding to death. In the end the wound was pressed with cloths and it did not safe him from bleeding out too much and he died. Then it was full panic: "What to do with the body?! We got a dead body here with a stabwound, we cannot have police involved, because we will get the blame for this, we will go to jail for taking his life, and WE were not the ones who took his life. AND we cannot tell on the ones who DID take his life, because then WE are dead TOO. SO... we NEED to hide this body until we eventually know how and where to dump it to so that we not all go down for this." *THIS* is what happened. So yes, Jay's life has been taken. His body was not where it has been found five days ago (Monday), UNTIL *IT WAS DUMPED! THERE! in the night of Saturday TO Sunday, so that is +/- 36 hours before it was found (or better said: TAKEN AWAY, instead of 'found') there! SUNDAY about EVERYONE on Tenerife KNEW the body was found - and that is +/- 12 hours after it was dumped there! THE POLICE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE THE BODY AWAY ON SUNDAY, BECAUSE THE POLICE WANTED THE FULL! ATTENTION! OF THE MEDIA! STICKING FEATHERS UP THEIR OWN ASS! "WE, THE SPANISH POLICE, "FOUND" THE BODY AFTER 29 DAYS OF CONTINUOUS AND CONSTANTLY SEARCHING!" BIG FAT LIARS! THE POLICE COULD NOT GET THIS MEDIA ATTENTION ON SUNDAY, BECAUSE OF THE UEFA EUROPEAN FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP!*
We took the short cut along the Wild Coast between 2 places, it took us 4 hours instead of half an hour if we used the road. If anything the shortest distance between 2 points is not always a straight line.
His fingerprints were on record with the British police, as he had been convicted in the past. It was not recovered from his hotel!
His body was found Saturday and we have been lied to and told he was found on Monday.
It probably was. The search teams needed to get a helicopter and mountain rescue teams to get to him. They would plan beforehand how to get there...
@CaroleEvans93436 how was he found or who found him ?? 🤔
@@Da_Milkman Probably the guys shown on camera with machetes, cutting down the undergrowth to get to him
@@Da_Milkman Sherlock Holmes came around and found him 🤦🏽♂️
Didn't know that😮
The ex army guys including Christopher in Tenerife on TikTok and X followed the steps they believe Jay took , based off the ping data , they showed a vantage point of the v notch in the barranca and it really looked like the coast was not that far away, when in fact it was miles out, from that vantage it genuinely looks like it was the path of least resistance, when Chris panned the camera back up to the where Jay had likely come from , going back up seem much further, and harder, impossible even. I believe Jay headed for the coast believing either his resort was that way or he could skirt round the coast back to his friends etc, taking a short cut. Having seen the in depth view of the area it’s clear the terrain was treacherous, but you would only realise this when you have gone too far down.
Even if we image , by some impossible miracle he had navigated down the barranca, ( most would need specialist climbing gear ) he likely would have been met with a sheer drop to the ocean with no sand area.
My understanding is that he was found approximately 1.5 km from where Christopher filmed, in the ravine but cannot confirm.
Such an incredibly sad outcome Jay , may he RIP and his family have strength during this impossible time.
Yeah, good description. For Jay, hugging the coast would have made sense and he had no way of knowing the beach was a dead end, had he even got there. And there's a sort of visual illusion of the,sea being just over the next rocks. But the topography of the land means it very much is not, and the space between is lethal.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb Exactly. In addition, in some parts, the vegetation and cacti are can grow beyond 6ft etc. Unless you have been to Masca and the National Park , it’s incredibly hard to describe the landscape. The fact he was young, first holiday and potentially intoxicated, possibly stressed/frightened all play into his possible perception that ‘down to the coast’ and not back up to the road was his best option. IMO
Wouldn't his fingerprints have been supplied by the UK police? They'll have them on record
Yes he had a criminal record
Sad that Jay, being a young man, couldn't extricate himself from the perplexing situation he found himself in, mainly because he lacked the experience that an older person would have had. RIP Jay Slater.
He probably couldn't make rational decisions due to hypothermia ..He would be disoriented and confused .He was also dehydrated .once he went off in the wrong direction he was doomed
Lokola
@@lindymcdonald8945 I definitely agree with you. An older person with more life experience would have most likely worn a backpack containing a few basic items like a jacket, water, trail mix. Those items could have helped Jay make better decisions. I believe that without those items he was being driven by panic trying to make his way to the seashore, which he perceived to be much closer than it actually was.
@@mrp7555 I'm not familiar with the meaning of 'Lokola'. Could you please explain?
@@vickyabramowitz2885 The majority of experience Mountaineers are under 60. The Mountaineers who discovered the remains of Jay were 26, 24, And 23 years old. 🥺
Jay had checked his phone at least while on a call to know exactly how far away he was from his hotel. Leaving the main road, which the buses travel along to make your own path through the mountains that "even the locals don't use" is not a short cut. In any sense of the word. He had other motives for going off road, like hiding from people.
There is far more to this story. Crazy how people are lapping this up as if it's perfectly normal to drive 30 miles to get some rest only to decide a couple hours later you'd like to spend 11 hours walking back..come on..
When you see where he actually went off road you can see why he did. He said he wasn't walking anymore of that winding road and when you look down the coast looks closer than it is. He went down thinking he'd reach the coastline sooner than following that never ending road upwards.
Mate, you don’t think “perfectly normally” when you are sleep deprived after a night out partying with plenty of alcohol and drugs, and dehydrated in a hot and humid environment on top of that. This is the exact scenario in which you’d find a person making the exact opposite of rational decisions.
@@omgurheadsgone no you are right. It’s unlikely he’d walk for 11 hours if he wasn’t hanging, and even more unlikely if he was
He went with dealers because he wanted to continue "partying" .. That does not mean he went to a meeting of jolly folks.. He was ill at the club and needed water. We don't know what he had done/ingested at the B&B.. Any drugs can make you paranoid and even slight dehydration fuddles your brain big time.
@@ollythomas6702 he was probably still high as a kite when he went with them..couple hours later he was ready to split and go get his friends to enjoy the rest of his holiday after he straightened himself up...
Unless someone tells me that the reason for him to go to the ravine was to go to another rave, I don't buy the theory that he was walking back home. Hard to believe sorry.
Still waiting to hear if the A.P. or a 'Rolex' was found with the body....
⌚ ✔ 🔦 👀 ☠ it might explain a few things
I think that's a bullshit story
@@thecasualfancorner man, there's SO much 'Bovine Output' 💩 💩 💩 ....
Its beginning to smell fishy 🤔 🐟 🐠 😄
He's not a detective, he's a TV personality.
@DadMeiks-y2m Ok 👍
You'll never know
You cannot know what he was thinking and feeling
Interesting, so if someone says they're thirsty, and they sound distressed, you have to sit there going: "I can't know what they're thinking and feeling even when they've told me." When you watch a movie, how do you know how someone is feeling? Do you need a guidebook?
Dident know you were also a psychiatrist unless you’re a specialist in this area you can’t make this analysis
"DIDENT" Run along little boy it is nearly bedtime.
Nick, are you going to cover the other 2 UK men missing abroad?
Sells Crack Cocaine and Heroin to poor helpless souls who become enslaved to their master until death or sobriety. But im sure AYUB QASSIM is a delightful loving individual ❤
1. Song made about Jay before he went missing. 2. Video of qassim and 2 other me. On top of blocks in the exact location top of clif jay thrown from.
if he was in an inaccesible area how was he then found the day before specialists came.. it doesnt add up . poor jay
The people who found him were specialists - specialist mountain rescue teams working for the Spanish police. The specialists due in the next few days (& not needed in the end) were a Dutch team that the family were going to pay privately for with the GFM money.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pbI think the original comment may be distinguishing between local and independent specialist teams.
Timing of discovery and by which group regrettably brings uncertainty and may cause suspicion.
What a terrible tragedy, may Jay rest in peace.
It’s all good following the logic put in place to come to the easier outcome and put this to bed, and I understand why you would do that, it’s because it allows your theory to be correct. But the path of least resistance is not walking up a mountain when doing nothing or even walking down the mountain would be “the path of least resistance”. Heading in the opposite direction is not a short cut!!. There is a lot hear you are now glossing over in a want to move on and say case closed.
Nick, we don't know whether there was or wasn't criminality involved in Jay's misadventure. Did he go north from the AirBnB by mistake or on purpose? Plus, of course, why did he even go to Masca? Why didn't the two men take Jay to where he was actually staying rather than back to Masca with them? Did something happen at the AirBnB or not? Perhaps no one will tell what they know until they are 80 years old. If this had been a female go missing like this and then she'd been found dead like this then more questions would be asked. We should be considering the exact same questions. Need I really tell you the possibilities? No, we won't get answers, but we don't know why things happened and what happened apart from the basics. Do I really need to spell it out?!
Why would anyone be going off road?? That is what does not make sense! Especially when he had no charge on the phone.
I was so hoping Jay would be alive somewhere and my heart breaks for his loved ones.
Thankyou for helping make sense of this tragic story in your level headed style.
Why did Jay run away from the b and b, what was he scared of? It was hardly the route of least resistance.
People really underestimate how stupid and immature the average 19yo kid from the north in the UK is, especially one from the estate who dabbled in odd things. Heck I'm only a few years older and can think of countless mates who are and were just like Jay, especially om your first holiday abroad. People do irrational shite all the time, especially when hungry/dehyrdrated but have a level of arrogance. Wouldn't be surprised if Jay was snap chatting all the way just to show off how remote he was captioned 'looked where I ended up after a rave lads'. Anything for the gram or a story.
I sort of agree with most of what you say but Southern kids are just as daft! It's not a particular Northern trait. Just saying, as a Northern girl!
I sort of agree with most of what you say but Southern kids are just as daft! It's not a particular Northern trait. Just saying, as a Northern girl!
This comment is very interesting and shows psychological realism that portrays the character very well.
@@garbancitolentejas486 I just don't think most people obsess over this case, who are largely much older people/facebook mums understand kids who grew up in a social media era. His snapchats of him in the car just sum it all up for me, I've seen it so many times, people love an adevmture or as we in the north say 'side missions'. Equally going off older 30yo guys who run a legal weed shop in town & are black doesn't surprise me, you meet those kind of people all the time at parties or abroad, people gravitate towards those they find 'cool' or interesting. Especially on nights out with your mates, you get bored of each other real soon, hence why so many holidays have fights/fall outs between friends. I'm sure most people have done stupid thing on nights out, especially between 3am-7am when you don't want it to end & others want to go home. Especially at a rave off ya head on drugs, you'll think you can run a marathon instead of being drunk/slluggish/lethargic. The boring outcome is the truth in my eyes
This is an absolutely disgusting and inappropriate use of a mental disorder. Don't use words you don't mean. It's offensive
(in general use) characterized by inconsistent or contradictory elements.
"walking around the museum was a strangely schizophrenic experience"
@@bills6093 that's absolutely an incorrect use of the term. The term he's looking for is psychosis. Which is a symptom of schizophrenia and a number of other mental health disorders. It can also be a transient or temporary when a person is experiencing significant stress. There is no singular schizophrenic experience! Where you found that is also offensive. Also Jay's is not inconsistent or contrary to teenage behaviour.
You should be disgusted by the inappropriate and farfetched theories associated with this case, instead you manage to be disgusted by a word you disagree with, and a word I very much stand by and intended to use - there really are serious disturbances of thought associated with this case, and with true crime.
@@lamorphise Oxford and M-W disagree with you.
@@bills6093 it's never used in a context which is also discussing mental health. This is the problem when you Google things but don't actually understand them
Brad and Lucy need to tell us more…
1) the cctv and audio of Jay limping and Lucy wailing that he’d been cut.
2) the watch
3) Jays association to the two guys
4) why did the book a car and air b&b so late and so far away, plenty of closer places
5) what made Jay leave his friends
6) why did they say door bell when there’s not one
7) why was the b&b decorated
8) why didn’t Brad seem more concerned
9) why was the mums response imploring he’d been kidnapped
10) what info does Mark the detective know?
11) why wasn’t the body found sooner
12) what caused the dogs to bark at 2am on Sunday night that down the rapids recorded
13) why was Lucy’s throw at the b&b
14) why didn’t Jay call a taxi instead walk in the wrong direction
15) why have no holiday workers spoken out?
16) what state was jay in when he left the club
17) how did Lucy know where Jay was
18) suspicious song released from kids bear to where he lived
19) Why aren’t there warning signs ?? „ no access ⛔️ to the sea 🌊 „
Most of your questions have answers. Yawnnn
Some of these questions assume proven things that are nothing more than rumors.
I am so sad about this young man losing his life bc of misadventure. Needless loss. RIP dear boy. Thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
I believe that the murdered waited until the dust settles than they dispose the bidy
The evidence so far seems to point to the fact that poor Jay was not good at making decisions. His choice of friends in Oswaldtwistle, the "business " of dealing drugs on the street, nearly killing a rival in a street fight, getting smashed and staying up when his friends said it was time to go, abruptly leaving a safe place where there was food, water and a place to sleep. These poor decisions go beyond the 'folly of youth'. People who are used to having their own way often think they are invincible, especially if they are under the influence of something that elevates their state of mind, seen this a number of times. In the video at the club, he was clearly more affected than those around him. That's probably why the two men who befriended him days earlier decided to take him back to their Airbnb. They could see he was incapable of looking after himself.
What he did at Mosca was stupid. He didn't rest. He didn't eat. I don't think he drank. He certainly didn't charge his phone. He suddenly decided to walk back, against advice, dressed in tee shirt, shorts and trainers, no hat, just as the heat was building up. He didn't wait for a bus, which would have been the most sensible thing to do, and he headed off in the opposite direction to where he wanted to go. Not only that, but he left the road, where he could have hitched a lift or flagged down a vehicle and asked for help, to trek down a dubious path strewn with boulders and surrounded by cacti. All of these decisions make no sense. I can only conclude that he must have been so seriously "deranged" by the alcohol and other recreational substances in his system that he was incapable of rational thought. His actions after reaching Mosca would go some way to support this hypothesis.
His last bad decision was to leave the road. The only tangible connection with civilization. God knows why. It wasn't a choice between the road where he could have got help (and possibly a ride back) and a treacherous spot to have a pee. So he left the road and very quickly found himself ill-equipped for the harsh terrain he had ventured in to. Why he didn't turn around and trek back up to the road, we'll never know. His inexperience and impaired judgement killed him. If he had stayed at the Airbnb, slept and refreshed himself, he would still be alive today.
Very well written and explained. I think all his wrong decisions led to the tragedy. but the last two were fatal: he gave the location to Lucy and instead of stopping there for as many hours as necessary... he continued on his way, so the location was no longer useful. The other was to detour towards the Northwest and not turn back immediately when the terrain began to get very complicated...
My question: the police report stated that the body was found unclothed-his clothing was nearby. I know there are mental states involving extreme stress that cause people to remove their clothes..but why would someone in his situation do this? The Mafia always removes the clothing of a murder victime that they want to "disaapear" (clothing labels can be used to identify a body); were his friends planning to dispose of this kid by stripping the body? If so, why leave the clothing? Nothing makes any sense.
It seems like the main questions about this case have been completely dropped now. The lies of Ayub and Lucy are just going to be forgotten. Jays thinking and mind-state at that time is directly linked to the situation he was in. I want to know what that situation was . Not be told that it doesn’t matter
I think he saw the sea and associated it with the area he was staying. It’s understandable for an inexperienced young person on their first holiday. Sad story
Inexperience being the operative word here ..Again and again it’s been stated that only experienced climbers can navigate the terrain where he was found…So there are still questions to be answered.
I agree. I think he thought going to the coast would lead him back to the hotel quicker as well as civilisation.
who do you know walks faster on a beach than a road? Sand/pebbles are not a shortcut I would have thought
He probably didn't realise how far it was on foot, and believed he was taking a shortcut.
@@wanya1980 as opposed to the other route which was a 11 hour walk in a road.
If he went down that way to "head towards the sea" a very quick search shows that the coast is cliff faces and 100% not passable. Literally just one look shows that there is no beach all the way round, just cliffs.
The only thing that makes sense to me would be a situation that follows:
If this watch story is true, he was offered an escape route, his friends didnt approve of his behaviour, so he went with strangers.
These strangers may have possibly threatened/drugged him/assulted him in some way resulting in him waking in the morning with no battery, scared and wanting out.
He leaves, doesnt return but doesnt know where he is, he wouldnt say what had happened and panic, may have struggled with the situation and taken his own life...
Was he stupid enough to seriously head towards a path to the sea knowing how far he is, towards a cliff face on severe terrain.
I do not know what happened and nothing makes sense but there is one thing that is true, we have ALL made stupid decisions and this young lad made a fatal one, somewhere along the line the night before.
I do wonder if toxicology results will show anything after a month 🤷♂️
@@ExoticDoll-ct3ud its just so bizzare. I know imaginations can go wild but surely he wasnt that thick to think what he was doing was even a remotely good idea if this is all innocent??
@@murder13love Yes toxicology analysis are possible after one month if the heart is not in very bad condition
I'm sick of people saying it was the path of least resistance for jay to go down. NO. The path of least resistance are the roads the locals make.... Duhhh
The best analysis on this tragic story from the beginning has been by this channel..still crazy why he didn't hitch hike or stay on road but when that young you feel invisible and make bad decisions..
What about before this happened ,it seems to have all been brushed under the carpet ,i believe the lad was running for his life ,no thinking about nothing ,he was terrified .
Theres more chance he knew he would get lost going into that terrain
The next investigation isn’t about a missing person but where the missing money from GFM has gone ?
Benson and hedges
Cheap wine
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Hotels
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Here's some extracts from reviews on a specialist hiking site about the specific area:
""" perilous, very difficult with dangerous sections , had a fall here for first time though have been hiking since childhood, after the first third....was unable to go any further, dangerousat times - if you are unsteady or a little clumsy this is not for you, only for well prepared people, this isn't hard - it's dangerous; path disappears leaving you scaling disintegrating rock while scraping everything on cactus. We summitted and considered the emergency services at one point. We’re fairly experienced hikers but this this trail is down right dangerous without the right guide or equipment. Avoid.ravine is sublime (cactus, flowers, marked path), but the climb to reach the road is extremely dangerous, there is absolutely no path, so you have to climb the rock hoping to fall on the road" ".
So....
Thank you. That´s the terrain.
Alguien con cerebro , creo que estoy soñando .
Friends we can discuss about Jay trough the confinement of eternity, but nothing gone bring his back, very sad indeed
The greatest truth I have read today
"Who was Jay?" He was a criminal. He was pushed or dumped in my opinion. But it will never be proven unfortunately. RIP
Nothing to do with youth he was running and hiding from someone .or he was caught and was pushed to his death
No chance would you venture of the road to go into no mans land more so you havent got a clue about the atea and you can see cactuses from the road no way would you do this you would walk or sit in a shady place to a car appeared to get a lift or ask for help
I would like to know what possessed him to go in the middle of the night with these two guys.
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Drugs likely. Jay was often motivated by drugs or money
To buy Qassim´s products...
How difficult it would have been to carry him to that spot by accessing said ravine from the beach ? if that really is the exact place where he was found, would it have been easier than tying in a bag and winching up and down the hills from the road ? my theory is he died in another area of the mountains and was moved so his location would line up properly with the tall tale we've been told.
Sure bc it's that easy to move a decomposing corpse lol
....& carry it over a very high volcanic ridge with deadly drops each side. Perfectly logical...
They "recovered" his body in that place so doesn't mean he "died" there - unless he was lying injured and died before his body was discovered? Very sad irrespective of his past but also a blessing away from so-called 'friends"?
You think those 40 year olds carried his dead body along that deadly ridge?
@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb According to a local resident the night before the body was "discovered" the usually quiet neighbourhood dogs were making an awful lot of noise & they felt something unusual was going on!!!
@@PauletteCheyne Local resident? Another Ghost as the very evil very evil "gangster from the East"?
RIP young man.
What are you on about "His finger prints recovered from his hotel room?" how the hell would that identify him ? I would have a guess that his fingerprints were recovered from the end of his fingers .........amazes me some of the nonsense that you hear on here like is was almost freezing when he went missing when it was close to 20 degrees.
Fingerprints were recovered from his fingers.... and compared with the fingerprints that the British police have.
His finger prints would have been provided by the uk police as he had previously been arrested.
Exactly. Police from UK provided his fingerprints
Ask ourselves would we go down there not a chance
If you are questioning why he would go walking down there, first take a bunch of MDMA then stay up all night and smoke some weed. It makes you think differently. 😂
Mirador la Cruz de Hilda Viewing point and Visitors centre opens from 10.00 am, with refreshments and a bus stop 460 arrives several times a day. (Masca centre opens an hour earlier.) Finding the visitors centre shut 'that extra hour', a need to wait ? or hang out, possibly explore or wander off. A quick look around a corner from a car park reveals the horizon and the sea. The point you can leave the road..and still see the corner of the Mirador visitors centre is across from the Layby. This could indicate exploration within a safe distance of a tourist zone to a young person and too return when the center re-opened for business. The map shows a very circular dark area below the permaculture of steps in the hillside and path, just below the tree & outbuilding, it is not part of the ravine, more like a crater.
Maybe because he’s extremely drunk and drugged out, he lacked discernment and reasoning, it’s very sad, that’s why we shouldn’t get too drunk and drugged with people we don’t know
but he wasnt extremely drunk
@@OldSchoolStrength Drugged.. he was flying on high
It’s like people don’t even listen to what you say..
They don't scary
Bullshit. He would have thumbed a lift...
I also think emotionally....and Im in my 50's....🤷🏼♀️🥺
Problem with what appears to be a gentle climb quickly become more and more difficult. Eventually you can get yourself ledge locked where you can’t continue to go down but also can’t climb out.
Finally a sensible comment 👍
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I don’t think Jay wasn’t in the mountains when the search was on, I think Jay was in the bnb masca, that’s why the dogs didn’t find him, people it’s like saying dos are incompetent, people do you realized what dogs can with those noses of them, they can sense volcanos, earthquakes, they even can sent their owners coming from when the person are miles away, they know you’re coming home, you finished your shift, thinking about coming home, they already know, dogs have a superb olfactory sense, I don’t believe his body was in the mountains, otherwise the dogs would have spotted him body, specially in hots climates, in very hot conditions, things started to go rotten very quickly, a dead body for example, I don’t know something is not right now
Your rude
The media are trying to normalise jays actions on that day, theres nothing normal about being scared and wanting 2 leave that bnb, theres nothing normal about attempting a long walk back the wrong way, without any water, theres nothing normal about a teen having no charge in there phone, plus the stolen watch, thats not normal either, so all in all, jays case is far frm normal
None of the hermits have been questioned.... Fishy !
You cant smell the sea from that high
Absolute Blox
His friends why they didn’t impede him from going with those guys, this us so strange, we have a friend once, she’s very drunk, and some people at the pub invited us to go to this guy’s apartment, we knew they’re very drunk already, and that they all take drugs, she said I’m going, and me and my sister said, no you’re not going, just like that, like that, we’re not going period, alcohol and drugs are very bad combination, this is a uk, all the roads are straight, than imagine abroad, very treacherous mountain range, how many people die in everest, and they all sober, I feel sorry for him, he’s naive and have nobody that really cared for him, he died alone, thirsty and hurt, he thought he’s smart, but alcohol gives the person that sense of confidence, poor sod, it’s very said to die with no one beside him to hold his hand, I hope that an angel had came from sky to hand his hand and assist him in his last hour, and takes him to be in peace in the afterlife
If he walked along that ridge with a good view, how did he get lost so easily?... You can walk all along that ravine riverbed to the sea
If you look on street view, you can see that area from the rd. How did he get lost???
No no.. you cannot go along that ravien to the sea.. You are thinking it was Juan Lopez´s Ravine but it wasn´t. It is a ravine northward from Juan Lopez.
@@garbancitolentejas486 It was according to the map they gave, of the rough area they found him, and his last ping was on that route. 5:23
Clearly the Juan Lopez ravine
@@-Gumbo You are right. When Guardia Civil send the reports to Court then it will begun the leaks and we are going to know more because GC is a Wall of Silent. However July 15th, GREIM team was not in Juan Lopez Ravine; the helicopter was in the Northern ravine... but we are going to know that in few weeks.
If, as the Spanish say, hewas found in the Northern ravine (that one really causes panic) then Jay deviated from his route several degrees in Northwestern direction and not the West... in short... he would never have reached the beach nor in the impossible case that he had overcome all the obstacles. It was, literally, a death foretold.
Something is not adding up. If you look at the map from where the airb&b was to where Jay was found. It's 22km away if Jay went of the road there is no way he is going to make it over that rocky mountain terrain. Apparently it would take 6hrs on the Rd if your in the mountains surly he would have came across the villages on the way
Is there any footage of jay getting into ayubs car??? It would be interesting to see if the willingly got into the car
What i don't understand is why some are still insisting on a conspiracy? Not everything in life needs to be sinister..... not everything in life has to be drama/gossip. Sometimes tragedies do happen by ones bad decisions. Jay sadly lost his life to the decisions he made that day. Please be kind and show respect to his family while they are grieving his passing. RIP Jay 🤗
Nature is ruthless, have no mercy with no one
I mentioned this scenario (to the sea via Juan Lopez or Masca )weeks ago ,comments said things like " impossible why would he go that way " and many were mysteriously deleted .
All the reports on this case are so massively UNCLEAR. Was he trying to climb down the mountainside freestyle or was there an actual, physical path he was taking? And if there’s only car road down the mountain - which means he knew roughly what direction to go, why did he set off in the complete opposite direction. If he pulled up maps in his phone as they said he did, they would have shown him it’s a 12 hour hike. I feel so sorry for his parents. I know I wld be demanding a thorough autopsy and full toxicology if he was my son. Everyone’s trying to say ‘oh yes it’s all so perfectly normal and understandable’ but it’s absolutely, 100% NOT. I mean why didn’t those guys who took him back there, take him back the next morning? Why didn’t he call an Uber? Why didn’t he hitchhike back down? Why didn’t he wait for next bus? Why didn’t he There are a million unanswered questions around this story and I am so sick of how the public are scolded like naughty children simply for having the temerity to ask ‘how did this happen and ‘why’?
Official reports are VERY CLEAR...A different issue is that Guardia Civil don´t share them with the youtubers but with the Canary islands´High Court. When Guardia Civil transfer the reports to the courts then the leaks will occur... not before. Guardia Civil is an absolute wall of silence.
What if Ayub told him there was easy access via barranco Juan Lopez knowing it was a path to certain death, easy as that. Prob not the first time with the same sketch
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I hate to say it but there's a 26 year old - Ben Ross - gone missing in Majorca, the Balearic Island. Was a trainer barrister but has suffered with his mental health and was over there working to support himself, and live a different life,I think. There's a couple of oddities - he was robbed on the beach before going missing. He's been gone a week, and his mum is trying to raise public awareness to figure out what's happened to him.
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I heard about this today, maybe nick will cover it
Tô be honest I think believe he’s murdered as well, he’s trying to run from someone
Jay made a mistake and paid a heavy price. So sad.
So your saying about schizophrenic and what is your opinions on psyops do they not exist and what is you opinion on this
I'm pretty sure that Nick absolutely does NOT believe in psyops. Been listening to him for almost 4 years..Me on the other hand most definitely DO believe psyops.
I don't understand why everyone thinks there is more to it and that it was foul play. The boy took drugs and partied for a few days, it's understandable that he wasn't in his right mind and may have misjudged the whole thing and not to forget, these party drugs can also cause paranoia. But of course it's more interesting if you put forward any theories.
Ayub claimed Jay came back with him because he wanted to keep on partying. However on arrival they immediately went to sleep. This makes no sense at all. It is far more likely that Jay went with Ayub for some illicit transaction. Selling the watch he'd nicked? Swapping it for drugs? It will be interesting if it's revealed what Jay had on him.
Who said he wasn’t in his right mind tho? Obviously he was coherent and aware when he was talking to the landlady and his friends …A lot of the theories are just plain stupid -but I personally believe that there’s more to this than a 19 yr old just getting lost ..I’m not saying he was murdered -but something went on ..I recall something Brad said in his interview-Jay had told him he was leaving with the 2 blokes from the Airbnb and Brad did question why and told him to stay at the club with him -but he insisted on going …I do think they’d probably offered him the chance of buying/obtaining drugs off them and that’s why he went with them .And he wasn’t at the Airbnb long anyways because (apparently) they went to a shop at 5.30 in the morning on the way back ..And Jay was asking about buses around 8am ..It’s just all ‘food for thought’.He definitely wanted to leave and was ‘running scared’..
because everything doesnt add up
Honestly, you just don't want to accept that some things are just the way they are, even if you had a video and could see everything, then the video would be wrong and fake 🤣 People cannot accept simple explanations and always want a spectacular story🙈
@@Mathemagical55 Maybe because he went there to buy "Qassim´s famous products". He bought and then left out. Or he didn´t buy and then left out from airbnb
It was night or day that he fallen? Bcz if It was during the day It doesn't make any sense, a human being always try to protect themselves and avoid accidents. Getting into the mountains instead of road. Did he tried call police? Was his phone investigated? I can't understand, after the party he went to an Air b&b? And then he decided to walk in the mountains? Why would he do that to himself?.
I'd suggest to the op that to understand what someone is thinking you have to get into their frame of reference and you're over simplifying a lot of things which makes ot look like you are lacking some information here. Also, i used to really like your videos, but you sound really obnoxious in the narrative here. It seems like one of your listeners has offended you and so you are reacting by creating a video to "show" them you know more. I'd explore why you care if other people have a different option to you? Everyone has a different reality....
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@@sheryllocke2221 You would have preferred him to say that Jay was killed by a reptilian...
So he asked for a phone charger.....but his phone was flat⁉️
The police backed away ran off ….this is unreal & is what is to come .shameful
Why would JAY choose a Completely dangerous mountainous terrain ....instead of the airBNB? .
Is the Mountain climb Safer ? ..
Everyone is Saying Jay did this &:Jay Did that ..... almost as if they were there ....they factually were NOT .... Was JAY even there ....... For Long ..
What if he did go back to airBNB ..
Or Quassim & his Crew caught up with JAY🧡💪 .....I would say undetermined .....the Only PROOF is ..that he Died .... When he Least Planned to ..... It Depends mainly on what Happened the evening the PK Watch was ⚡Stolen⚡ ....where JAY 💜💪 Sent the Snapchat Picture & Message saying he and 2 Somalia Kids etc ... mentioning Stealing the Watch ⌚ ...then Making a Getaway in the CAR 🚗 back to airBNB .... These are the Details ...that need clarification .... surely those mountains look instantly unsafe regardless of Age ...All it takes is Deliberate Police Investigation ....it requires their Lawful application. ..
It's not enough to say he Choose to Put himself in that Level of Danger ..when it is SAFER elsewhere ..there were plenty of Other Options .... To say he Choose that ....has NO Full believable Proof ..just a Teenage dead body ...at the Bottom of a Dangerous Mountain 🌄 ...and Quite obvious Suspicious circumstances behind the Disappearance .... While Quassim and his Mate slept ..Jay Slater so Close by ...... Is Dead ....
The Public are Merely recognising that The Authorities Haven't taken this Loss of Life .. Seriously. ⚡💚⚡
Thank you, great point about teens brians not developing fully until about age 25, sometimes a little younger, sometimes a lot older!!
Stumbled across this channel not long after jay went missing and have to say out of all the social media I have watched about this case it has been the most rational one. Bravo 👏.
I Will be watching your Madeline McCann content next.
Having a tunnel vision and expecting everyone to tune into this kind of mindset is not only drawing from a state of ignorance but cuts out all other plausible situations and theories that could have led this young lad down this particular route to his demise. It disallows all other and maybe some other important factors that could have also been relevant to this case .
The only facts given here is that Jay ended up dead in a ravine yards from the road which was in the radius of where the phone last pinged.
Everything else is just based around assumptions - the common theme to this with most statements are...
'Given to the nature of the rough and difficult terrain and Jays state of mind from partying, getting lost,dehydration etc .
Its as if ......
The only analysis based on assumptions permitted here, on how Jay Slater met his demise ends up being the most
safest, easiest and the most uncontroversialised conclusive summary to these types of cases.
There is the question surrounding Jays certsin associations and whether Jay was lured or did he lure himself into a type of entrapment.
He could have been initially unaware/naive , given with the situation that he later found himself in.
Maybe Jay was spiked or given something at the airbnb that made him really disorientated and left there quickly soon after for whatever reasons, so many puzzling questions with this whole case but we will never truly know the truth of it.
Yet we are expected to believe the same narratives that are parroted on all the media platforms once again.....
Alas......
As for the insights of a teenagers mindset.... yes they do act on emotions alot, but so do many adults. There are perceptions,intuitions, (empathy in some people-not found in the narcissistic types), vibes and cognitive awareness and the lack of it in some cases that also could plays a significant role in people's lives no matter the age of any given human being.
The younger people in uk are very protected, the uk made a save best to protect them, but they naive to think that abroad everybody is the same, gone try to help them, I urge young people to be more careful with which person they interact abroad, don’t change your journey with your friends to follow people you don’t know, we don’t know people, if they have good heart or caracter, may his soul rest in peace
On contrary! All his problems have been caused by his decisions, his lack of knowledge of the area, his lack of knowledge of languages (something inappropriate in a 21st century European country) and his British "friends" (whether of origin or nationality).. .No foreigner has caused problems for Jay in Tenerife. In fact, if his mother will be able to bury him with dignity, it is thanks to the foreigners who have found him, risking their own lives.
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Why good morning sweetie :)
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This case also speaks to giving Nature its due respect. Disregard the power of it and it will eat you alive, and won't care that it did. I know Jay will be sorely missed by his family and friends. May he rest in peace. 🌹
absolutely, well said. The disrespect I've encountered covering this case was truly breathtaking, and I think it echoes the same disrespect shown towards Nature with a capital N.
It was interesting that photo you had of Jay and his friend at Creamfields Festival in your last post. From his SM and theyre saying they woke up in 2 inches of mud. Made me think about festivals and how people behave differently at them. I'm too old for Creamfields or NRG, but I went to a couple of festivals when I was Jay's age, back in the day. Thing is, you're a lot more sociable with strangers, people you've only just met - much more so than say on a night out. I know NEG wasn't a camping in a field festival, but still the mentality is there of being open to experiences, open to new people.