I just put about 20 miles (30kms) on my 2023 Apollo Phantom (the Pro's little brother), and I'm 195lbs + ~10 lbs of gear & backpack. I use the regen brakes 100% of the time, but I put a set of hydraulics on it for emergency stops at high speeds. Regen is incredible (always set to max 10) for *planned* stops but high speed immediate stops, you need actual brakes. It's got about 1400 miles on the odometer so far (2350 kms). I'm definitely planning on getting a Pro soon. I want it so I can ride in the rain (my Phantom is IP54, only 'splash-proof'). The IP66 rating is a huge deal - and the tires are so far the best I've seen on an e-scooter. On a slight downhill but not in LUDO mode, I made it to 71km/h (44mph) before I chickened out & realized I'm on 10" tires, not 12" ones like on the Pro. I had to crouch a bit but it felt like it had a bit more. Plenty fast for my Apollo, but I always want "more". Something important about Apollo's 2023-2024 lineup is, all their batteries are UL certified. Apartment buildings with evil landlords are trying to ban e-bikes & e-scooters due to battery fires. Insurance companies are trying to meet these landlords half way by at least requiring UL certification. It's a standard that ensures batteries won't spark or overheat from overuse, over current, overcharging, etc, and they can handle the rapid charge levels safely.
Thank you SO much for leaving.this feedback. Been hearing about the UL Certification.... And you are right about the brakes....I love the Re-gen but it needs to be a bit.sttonger for last minute stops..
@@NunchucksHabit you are absolutely correct. I don't know what Apollo was thinking with these mechanical drum brakes. Great in theory for durability and longevity BUT stopping power is NOT strong enough for emergency stops. REGEN is good BUT not that good or powerful enough to stop heavier riders (over 200lbs) in an emergency. You will have to use the REGEN in addition to the mechanical breaks.
@@GearWave My odo just hit 3500kms (2175 miles). One of the reasons I'm still leaning toward the Pro is for the dedicated regen. No brake pads wearing, no squeaks or scrapes from the discs. I can brake a lot later than I would with conventional brakes, and I don't have the sense of something wearing down. Like I mentioned, I put hydraulics (cheap, 2-piston Nutt brakes) on, and tbh, the back one is super weak but front one is all I really need for emergency stops. I wish there was a graduating/incrementing intensity in the regen that we could rely on - like a "redline", with some kind of haptic feedback, that would be a LOT sharper, but we'd be unlikely to press accidentally. Can't have the front motor lock up, but I do wonder how close to the limit full regen (=10) is at - could there be an "11" without taxing the motor too much. I've heard from at least 4 or 5 Pro owners, that the drum brakes get sharper as they're used more. No one's claimed them to be sharp as good hydraulics, but they say you can lock up either wheel after a "while", whatever that means. Have you noticed that? The Pro should also be offered in a "performance package" - 4-piston hydraulic brakes, stronger headlight, slightly wider footpad, heavier but beefier battery with 72v and a top speed of at least 90km/h and an adjustable steering damper. I'd also like to see 'wireless' charging & rearview camera on one side of the LED screen, fed by a GoPro-like, stability-sensing camera embedded in the back footrest, so you don't have to check over your shoulder. I type too much, so no worries if you don't have time to reply. The following is a list of things I'm putting together so I make the right decision. I want a Nami Burn-E2 Max. I also want the Pro. I can only afford one. At this moment, I think the Nami Burn-E2 is the best production scooter on the market. But Apollo do some things I really love. The Nami's almost twice the price of the Pro when converted to CDN dollars, so when I compare them, I understand it's not close to fair to the Pro - but as an avid rider, they offer similar value. This is the logic I'm going on to choosing my next scooter: LOOKS: The Nami is prettier. It's tougher looking, not as refined, but while I do "like" the look of the Pro, I find its angles a bit "Stalin-esque", like tacky 80's furniture. Point: Nami. TOP SPEED: The Nami will go 100km/h (62mph), which is insanely fast. I very rarely take my Phantom to its top speed of 71kph, and due to its 10" tires, nothing > 60km/h really feels safe - and I take really good care of mine. With 11" tires and an adjustable steering damper, the Nami is meant for higher speeds. I don't know if scooters that can be folded up & put into the car, are really meant for 80km/h+, but I'm a fan of "having it but not needing it". The Pro is quite a bit cheaper, it can't compare to the Nami fairly, but it doesn't seem to be much faster than my Phantom, and for the money, I think it should be. Not a lot, but noticeably - like ~10km/h faster. Point: Nami. TIRES: Nami 11" and Pro 12". Long story short: Point: Pro. RANGE: Nami claims 185kms of range max. Pro claims 100kms max. Even considering real-world estimates of half that? Point: Nami. PORTABILITY: Both the Nami & the Pro are in the 100lb region, the Nami being slightly heavier - but I'm pretty strong, and ~100lbs is totally fine for lifting it in/out of the car or over curbs. I'd expect something that goes 25% faster to be a bit heavier. Still, I like Apollo's approach of keeping these things scooters, not huge platforms of battery with wheels sticking out. One scooter has more equipment & more battery cells, can't blame the Nami for being heavier. So would the Pro if it had the hydraulic suspension the Nami has & the bigger battery pack. It's a question of features. For Nami to keep the weight so close to the Pro, but with more batteries, 4-piston logans and hydraulic suspension on both wheels, is pretty damned good. Point: Neither. SUSPENSION: The Pro's suspension is more scooter-like, meant to keep the weight down - but the Nami's are hydraulic adjustable and are meant for more serious riding. Thing is, I have knees that still work, and with 12" tires, I reckon the Pro isn't miserable to ride. Doesn't matter either way, so to cut the weight, I'm fine with the Pro. Two different ride types altogether. Nami's suspension is better, but not worth it for the added weight for me. Point: Neither. RAIN: IP66 beats IP55, no way around it. I know there are reports of water sloshing in the City Pro after heavy rain riding, but so far, I haven't heard of the Pro being affected. Point: Pro. BRAKES: Nami has 4-piston Logans. You can't beat that - but regen is incorporated. I already explained why dedicated regen is truly a game changer for me. No wear, no noise, no dirty brake discs grinding on every stop. Emergency stopping should always be an option, though. I'd still get the Pro over the Nami, despite the Nami's brakes being absolutely ideal. That's how much I love dedicated regen. I also prefer the vertical thumb throttle/brake levers. Perhaps a bit too civilized, but i like keeping my hands on the handlebars with all fingers & find I can dedicate a thumb easier than an index finger. Though I know the braking on the Nami is far superior to the Pro, I'm holding my nose when I say: Point: Pro. CHARGING: With a range of > 100kms on the Nami & a range of likely 60ks on the Pro, the edge has to go to Nami. It's got a 72v/40amp battery with 2880 watt-hours, The Pro has the same "21700 Samsung" batteries, but at 52v with1560 watt-hours. The price difference is relevant here, the Nami's more expensive so of course it's got the better battery solution with the better output. I usually slow charge overnight, occasionally rapid charge in the day when possible to 'top it off'. Point: Neither. LIGHTING: The wimpy 1k lumen headlight is simply not strong enough. The wraparound lighting is really great for visibility, though, and I always have an extra 2k lumen clip-on light for night riding. Point: Pro. CERTS: Won't rhyme them all off, but the Pro indeed has the certifications that prove a certain level of safety is there. Not a silver bullet, but if it's between you & the landlord, it could make a world of difference. I let my landlord know without him even asking. I'm one of the first, if not the first, person in my city to use a scooter for commuting. How many people have I passed at bus stops who wanted to get one. Point: Pro. SERVICE: I have no idea what's easier to maintain or get parts for - Nami or the Pro. The Pro's very design seems to be low/no maintenance, which I love. I can get parts for the Pro (as well as warranty fixes/replacements) within 2 days if the parts are in stock. I know the Pro is manufactured in China like all scooters are, but the company is Canadian & I like the thought of buying "local" when I can. Point: Pro.
Sorry my math was backwards.....i ride 10 miles at 240 lbs and i deplete the scooter battery down to 70 or 75% which means 10 miles is roughly 1/4 of rhe battery so you should be abke to get 40 miles of range from a.charge (these numbers are based off of me riding in Ludo Mode which ks fastest mode the scooter has to offer.)
Thank you for making this video and please keep them coming. I don't own any Apollo Scooter as their way too expensive for what I could get (in my opinion) for the money but I do like their products though especially in Aesthetics, I believe design-wise they make the most beautiful scooter (yet) and they are leaps and bounds in terms of app integration plus, from what I've heard, hands down best in customer support/service. Hence I understand the hefty price tag Not here to argue which is better but I got a Maxfun 10 pro and in terms performance per dollar-wise it blows Apollo Pro out of the water however I do understand why Apollo still has a big following regardless - just like in the mobile space, when there's an Apple, there'll always be an Android vice versa.
Thank you for watching. Glad the video could help. You can purchase these scooters through Affirm and Klarna which will allow you to pay in installments if that's makes life easier. Hope you can get a scooter and experience the joy of "scooter life"...
Tbh, the Apollo pro is the one I’m aiming to get. But there’s something holding me back. It’s not the $ cause that’s a 5k scooter. The thing holding me back is I feel out of place upon purchasing it. Are there any 30+ aged scooter riders out there?
@@fenbay why do you feel out of place? The Apollo Pro is a great scooter for commuters or leisurely riders to consider. As you see in my videos you also have to consider the hinge and parts issue for now....these issues could be resolved within the next month or so so stay tuned. I believe if you have a properly working Apollo scooter you will enjoy it. Remember it's 90 something pounds....so you have to be physically able to handle that. The brakes are NOT stop on a dime brakes...mmIve purchase two Apollo Pros in the last 6 months and stopping is satisfactory to good at best. The drum brakes are good in theory because there low maintenance and not as exposed to the elements but they don't have the acute stopping power needed at top speeds. A sweet low profile set of snappy hydraulics would have been better. Something light in weight but still has the bite for higher speeds and heavier riders.. Honestly there's SO many scooters out there you really have to do your homework on whateve you decide to get. More importantly make sure the company has excellent customer service and support as well as parts availability.. Your scooter is going to inevitably break down and your gonna need quick and efficient support and parts delivery. The BEST companies in my opinion excel at this and invest as much time into this aspect of the business as they do sales. Best of luck on getting your scooter...they are a blast....you will have lots of fun if you stay safe....thanks for watching..
@@GearWave I just feel out of place cause I’m 30. My commute is 12 Miles, 6 miles there and back. My usual choice is a bicycle for exercise, but I’m starting to notice it’s not like how it used to be endurance wise. So, I’m currently on the hunt for an easier way to commute. There’s quads but gas is only going up in pricing, but then I thought of an e-bike but still having pedals (pedal assist) I don’t think I’d get used to it. Then next up was a 🛴, a this specific model was top on the list. Every review I’ve seen they say that this model isn’t really built for speed. It’s all about the luxury features which a lot of scooters have these days. I’m solely just wanting it for the added speakers for Bluetooth, instead of always having my AirPods in. It sounds safer and beyond. It’s just me entering my early 30s, are there even people my age who use this for fun, just to enjoy life. That’s why I feel out of place. Yes I’m always biking, but I don’t wanna always be sitting down…
@@fenbay you sound perfect for a new scooter. It will be a NEW experience which will be exciting then the exhilaration of the scooters acceleration and how quickly and efficiently you will be able to get to places will blow your mind. Ride one day then scooter one day.....I think you will pick the scooter. Test it out and see....
It's a solid heavy scooter. It may be a bit much for you. If your a reasonably fit person you should be able to ride and carry it around. Without knowing your strength and physical makeup I wouldn't be able to say with certainty. If you can lift 80l s then you should be fine.
That's a very good question.....I can't be sure without knowing if your riding a scooter right now....if so, what is the height of your current stem? 5'6 riders in my mind would need to concentrate on this because your substantially shorter....I'm 6ft so you may be right at the borderline of what is a acceptable rider height for your height. I would just base your decision on the sizing of your current scooter. Of you don't have ancooter then you will have to take a test ride. Thanks again for watching...
I just put about 20 miles (30kms) on my 2023 Apollo Phantom (the Pro's little brother), and I'm 195lbs + ~10 lbs of gear & backpack. I use the regen brakes 100% of the time, but I put a set of hydraulics on it for emergency stops at high speeds. Regen is incredible (always set to max 10) for *planned* stops but high speed immediate stops, you need actual brakes. It's got about 1400 miles on the odometer so far (2350 kms). I'm definitely planning on getting a Pro soon. I want it so I can ride in the rain (my Phantom is IP54, only 'splash-proof'). The IP66 rating is a huge deal - and the tires are so far the best I've seen on an e-scooter. On a slight downhill but not in LUDO mode, I made it to 71km/h (44mph) before I chickened out & realized I'm on 10" tires, not 12" ones like on the Pro. I had to crouch a bit but it felt like it had a bit more. Plenty fast for my Apollo, but I always want "more".
Something important about Apollo's 2023-2024 lineup is, all their batteries are UL certified. Apartment buildings with evil landlords are trying to ban e-bikes & e-scooters due to battery fires. Insurance companies are trying to meet these landlords half way by at least requiring UL certification. It's a standard that ensures batteries won't spark or overheat from overuse, over current, overcharging, etc, and they can handle the rapid charge levels safely.
Thank you SO much for leaving.this feedback. Been hearing about the UL Certification....
And you are right about the brakes....I love the Re-gen but it needs to be a bit.sttonger for last minute stops..
@@NunchucksHabit you are absolutely correct. I don't know what Apollo was thinking with these mechanical drum brakes. Great in theory for durability and longevity BUT stopping power is NOT strong enough for emergency stops. REGEN is good BUT not that good or powerful enough to stop heavier riders (over 200lbs) in an emergency. You will have to use the REGEN in addition to the mechanical breaks.
@@GearWave My odo just hit 3500kms (2175 miles). One of the reasons I'm still leaning toward the Pro is for the dedicated regen. No brake pads wearing, no squeaks or scrapes from the discs. I can brake a lot later than I would with conventional brakes, and I don't have the sense of something wearing down. Like I mentioned, I put hydraulics (cheap, 2-piston Nutt brakes) on, and tbh, the back one is super weak but front one is all I really need for emergency stops. I wish there was a graduating/incrementing intensity in the regen that we could rely on - like a "redline", with some kind of haptic feedback, that would be a LOT sharper, but we'd be unlikely to press accidentally. Can't have the front motor lock up, but I do wonder how close to the limit full regen (=10) is at - could there be an "11" without taxing the motor too much.
I've heard from at least 4 or 5 Pro owners, that the drum brakes get sharper as they're used more. No one's claimed them to be sharp as good hydraulics, but they say you can lock up either wheel after a "while", whatever that means. Have you noticed that?
The Pro should also be offered in a "performance package" - 4-piston hydraulic brakes, stronger headlight, slightly wider footpad, heavier but beefier battery with 72v and a top speed of at least 90km/h and an adjustable steering damper.
I'd also like to see 'wireless' charging & rearview camera on one side of the LED screen, fed by a GoPro-like, stability-sensing camera embedded in the back footrest, so you don't have to check over your shoulder.
I type too much, so no worries if you don't have time to reply. The following is a list of things I'm putting together so I make the right decision.
I want a Nami Burn-E2 Max. I also want the Pro. I can only afford one. At this moment, I think the Nami Burn-E2 is the best production scooter on the market. But Apollo do some things I really love.
The Nami's almost twice the price of the Pro when converted to CDN dollars, so when I compare them, I understand it's not close to fair to the Pro - but as an avid rider, they offer similar value.
This is the logic I'm going on to choosing my next scooter:
LOOKS: The Nami is prettier. It's tougher looking, not as refined, but while I do "like" the look of the Pro, I find its angles a bit "Stalin-esque", like tacky 80's furniture. Point: Nami.
TOP SPEED: The Nami will go 100km/h (62mph), which is insanely fast. I very rarely take my Phantom to its top speed of 71kph, and due to its 10" tires, nothing > 60km/h really feels safe - and I take really good care of mine. With 11" tires and an adjustable steering damper, the Nami is meant for higher speeds. I don't know if scooters that can be folded up & put into the car, are really meant for 80km/h+, but I'm a fan of "having it but not needing it". The Pro is quite a bit cheaper, it can't compare to the Nami fairly, but it doesn't seem to be much faster than my Phantom, and for the money, I think it should be. Not a lot, but noticeably - like ~10km/h faster. Point: Nami.
TIRES: Nami 11" and Pro 12". Long story short: Point: Pro.
RANGE: Nami claims 185kms of range max. Pro claims 100kms max. Even considering real-world estimates of half that? Point: Nami.
PORTABILITY: Both the Nami & the Pro are in the 100lb region, the Nami being slightly heavier - but I'm pretty strong, and ~100lbs is totally fine for lifting it in/out of the car or over curbs. I'd expect something that goes 25% faster to be a bit heavier. Still, I like Apollo's approach of keeping these things scooters, not huge platforms of battery with wheels sticking out. One scooter has more equipment & more battery cells, can't blame the Nami for being heavier. So would the Pro if it had the hydraulic suspension the Nami has & the bigger battery pack. It's a question of features. For Nami to keep the weight so close to the Pro, but with more batteries, 4-piston logans and hydraulic suspension on both wheels, is pretty damned good. Point: Neither.
SUSPENSION: The Pro's suspension is more scooter-like, meant to keep the weight down - but the Nami's are hydraulic adjustable and are meant for more serious riding. Thing is, I have knees that still work, and with 12" tires, I reckon the Pro isn't miserable to ride. Doesn't matter either way, so to cut the weight, I'm fine with the Pro. Two different ride types altogether. Nami's suspension is better, but not worth it for the added weight for me. Point: Neither.
RAIN: IP66 beats IP55, no way around it. I know there are reports of water sloshing in the City Pro after heavy rain riding, but so far, I haven't heard of the Pro being affected. Point: Pro.
BRAKES: Nami has 4-piston Logans. You can't beat that - but regen is incorporated. I already explained why dedicated regen is truly a game changer for me. No wear, no noise, no dirty brake discs grinding on every stop. Emergency stopping should always be an option, though. I'd still get the Pro over the Nami, despite the Nami's brakes being absolutely ideal. That's how much I love dedicated regen. I also prefer the vertical thumb throttle/brake levers. Perhaps a bit too civilized, but i like keeping my hands on the handlebars with all fingers & find I can dedicate a thumb easier than an index finger. Though I know the braking on the Nami is far superior to the Pro, I'm holding my nose when I say: Point: Pro.
CHARGING: With a range of > 100kms on the Nami & a range of likely 60ks on the Pro, the edge has to go to Nami. It's got a 72v/40amp battery with 2880 watt-hours, The Pro has the same "21700 Samsung" batteries, but at 52v with1560 watt-hours. The price difference is relevant here, the Nami's more expensive so of course it's got the better battery solution with the better output. I usually slow charge overnight, occasionally rapid charge in the day when possible to 'top it off'. Point: Neither.
LIGHTING: The wimpy 1k lumen headlight is simply not strong enough. The wraparound lighting is really great for visibility, though, and I always have an extra 2k lumen clip-on light for night riding. Point: Pro.
CERTS: Won't rhyme them all off, but the Pro indeed has the certifications that prove a certain level of safety is there. Not a silver bullet, but if it's between you & the landlord, it could make a world of difference. I let my landlord know without him even asking. I'm one of the first, if not the first, person in my city to use a scooter for commuting. How many people have I passed at bus stops who wanted to get one. Point: Pro.
SERVICE: I have no idea what's easier to maintain or get parts for - Nami or the Pro. The Pro's very design seems to be low/no maintenance, which I love. I can get parts for the Pro (as well as warranty fixes/replacements) within 2 days if the parts are in stock. I know the Pro is manufactured in China like all scooters are, but the company is Canadian & I like the thought of buying "local" when I can. Point: Pro.
Thank you, brother. 👊👊
The Inmoton RS is a beast . Cant wait to see your review.
I apreaciate your views man, thanks for looking into everything 🙏
Sorry my math was backwards.....i ride 10 miles at 240 lbs and i deplete the scooter battery down to 70 or 75% which means 10 miles is roughly 1/4 of rhe battery so you should be abke to get 40 miles of range from a.charge (these numbers are based off of me riding in Ludo Mode which ks fastest mode the scooter has to offer.)
Thank you for making this video and please keep them coming.
I don't own any Apollo Scooter as their way too expensive for what I could get (in my opinion) for the money but I do like their products though especially in Aesthetics, I believe design-wise they make the most beautiful scooter (yet) and they are leaps and bounds in terms of app integration plus, from what I've heard, hands down best in customer support/service. Hence I understand the hefty price tag
Not here to argue which is better but I got a Maxfun 10 pro and in terms performance per dollar-wise it blows Apollo Pro out of the water however I do understand why Apollo still has a big following regardless - just like in the mobile space, when there's an Apple, there'll always be an Android vice versa.
Thank you for watching. Glad the video could help. You can purchase these scooters through Affirm and Klarna which will allow you to pay in installments if that's makes life easier. Hope you can get a scooter and experience the joy of "scooter life"...
@@GearWave just for info, Apollo offers credit terms too.
(correction... I seem to recall that the credit on Apollo's site said Affirm).✌🏼🇨🇦
Tbh, the Apollo pro is the one I’m aiming to get. But there’s something holding me back. It’s not the $ cause that’s a 5k scooter. The thing holding me back is I feel out of place upon purchasing it. Are there any 30+ aged scooter riders out there?
@@fenbay why do you feel out of place? The Apollo Pro is a great scooter for commuters or leisurely riders to consider. As you see in my videos you also have to consider the hinge and parts issue for now....these issues could be resolved within the next month or so so stay tuned. I believe if you have a properly working Apollo scooter you will enjoy it. Remember it's 90 something pounds....so you have to be physically able to handle that.
The brakes are NOT stop on a dime brakes...mmIve purchase two Apollo Pros in the last 6 months and stopping is satisfactory to good at best. The drum brakes are good in theory because there low maintenance and not as exposed to the elements but they don't have the acute stopping power needed at top speeds. A sweet low profile set of snappy hydraulics would have been better. Something light in weight but still has the bite for higher speeds and heavier riders..
Honestly there's SO many scooters out there you really have to do your homework on whateve you decide to get. More importantly make sure the company has excellent customer service and support as well as parts availability..
Your scooter is going to inevitably break down and your gonna need quick and efficient support and parts delivery. The BEST companies in my opinion excel at this and invest as much time into this aspect of the business as they do sales.
Best of luck on getting your scooter...they are a blast....you will have lots of fun if you stay safe....thanks for watching..
@@GearWave I just feel out of place cause I’m 30. My commute is 12 Miles, 6 miles there and back. My usual choice is a bicycle for exercise, but I’m starting to notice it’s not like how it used to be endurance wise.
So, I’m currently on the hunt for an easier way to commute. There’s quads but gas is only going up in pricing, but then I thought of an e-bike but still having pedals (pedal assist) I don’t think I’d get used to it. Then next up was a 🛴, a this specific model was top on the list.
Every review I’ve seen they say that this model isn’t really built for speed. It’s all about the luxury features which a lot of scooters have these days. I’m solely just wanting it for the added speakers for Bluetooth, instead of always having my AirPods in. It sounds safer and beyond. It’s just me entering my early 30s, are there even people my age who use this for fun, just to enjoy life. That’s why I feel out of place. Yes I’m always biking, but I don’t wanna always be sitting down…
@@fenbay you sound perfect for a new scooter. It will be a NEW experience which will be exciting then the exhilaration of the scooters acceleration and how quickly and efficiently you will be able to get to places will blow your mind. Ride one day then scooter one day.....I think you will pick the scooter. Test it out and see....
I am 5 foot6 Inches tall. 200 pounds. Am I too short for this scooter??
It's a solid heavy scooter. It may be a bit much for you. If your a reasonably fit person you should be able to ride and carry it around. Without knowing your strength and physical makeup I wouldn't be able to say with certainty. If you can lift 80l s then you should be fine.
No, not too short.
That's a very good question.....I can't be sure without knowing if your riding a scooter right now....if so, what is the height of your current stem? 5'6 riders in my mind would need to concentrate on this because your substantially shorter....I'm 6ft so you may be right at the borderline of what is a acceptable rider height for your height.
I would just base your decision on the sizing of your current scooter. Of you don't have ancooter then you will have to take a test ride. Thanks again for watching...
The handle bar is very tall.😮.
@@rexluminus9867 yes it is fairly tall..it may be a pinch too tall for you but I would suggest trying it first... I'm only a few inches taller. Lol
Those wheel covers just so ugly
@@43DAEMON their SO effective tho. Lol thanks for watching.
I heard you own a lot of ebikes...any recommendation?