@GearWave Hey,bro, top notch almost full review!!! Next time, please show uphill & off-road review. The city pros 2024 regen brake is top level. Don't even use the handbrakes!!! Thank you. Ride safe.😢❤😊.
This is what I call a real and honest review. Short, sweet and to the point. Not like these guys wo post 20 plus minute reviews with all kinds of nonsense.
Thanks for making this long-term ownership video review of the Apollo Pro. This is a real, legit, honest review without any hype. I have the Apollo City Pro, and enjoy it as my main commuter, despite having my own issues, and was considering upgrading to the Pro, but I think I'll hold off for now and wait until some of these concerns you pointed out are addressed in a refresh/newer model. Cheers.
Cool you came from mtb background. Me too. Wondering if anyone will partner with someone like rockshox or fox for the suspension. The scooter suspension just isn't there yet but could be massively elevated if that could happen.
Good to see something with the latch/hook system. I might get this and do a review as well but it's pretty pricey and hard to get in a less committal way.
I have a 2023 (V3) Apollo Phantom with just short of 3800kms on it. Friend of mine has the same one, but found the maintenance to be a headache. Tightening bolts & screws every week or so (10 mins) and pre-pumping your tires to correct psi takes seconds but some people expect scooters to just work like a device - plug it in and go. I've had to change 3 rear tires & 4 front so far. I despise the 10" tires, especially with tubes - but I still never got a flat. The Pro's 12" ones, and the IP66 are really impressive. I was thirsting for a Nami Burn-E2 Max. Still am - IMO, it's the best production scooter you can buy. But Apollo offers something I found I love so much, I can't give it up, so I'm looking at the Pro: dedicated regen. It's the best thing I've ever used on any scooter - and I tend to hate everything. Nami employ motor braking too, but it's mixed in with the regular brakes. You know what happens with brakes - they scrape, they grind, they make noise. Regen is silent, is SUPER strong, but isn't any good in unplanned emergency stops. You still need good hydraulics at least on the front to stop instantly. But I haven't used my hydraulic brakes more than three times in the year I've owned the Phantom. The Pro offers dedicated regen & that's a huge plus for me. The Pro's top speed is a bit slow for the price. I know they're just on the cusp of needing a steering damper, which could ruin the aesthetic, add weight & affect the overall design, which is "under 100lbs & can be thrown into the back seat". I like that Apollo have kept it a "scooter". I heard about the stem issues - and not excusing Apollo from that testing oversight - but Pro owners are getting repairs/replacements under warranty, I assume? It's a brand new design in a new industry, so as long as Apollo make good on the stem issues, I'm not bothered by that. But if I, at 200lbs + a backpack with heavy stuff, can't bend a Phantom stem, what does someone have to do to compromise an improved stem on a Pro? I heard the Pro's drum brakes get better after they're broken in - but not everyone agrees. If you're going to have drum brakes, though, you need to get a really good quality brand with aggressive stopping. There's great visibility, and using a phone as the LED screen makes the most sense. I don't care about goofy things like a bluetooth speaker or creative horns. I'm an adult. The Pro's headlight should be more powerful. The signal light caps are a great idea for signaling, but the design was rushed - they have to be protected. Not sure how to do it, but they need to be tougher. I've dropped my Phantom what, 4 times in a year? (tipovers, one take-off from accidental throttle), and I pick it up & keep riding. I'd trade that toughness for better signal lights, even if I had to replace them all 4 times. What is it, $20? I don't like that you can't have different throttle intensity modes without stopping, opening the app, manually adjusting the throttle intensity, saving the changes, putting the phone away, then riding away. It should have personalized ride modes at the press of a button. The grip rubber coming off the floorboard is a ridiculous oversight & shouldn't happen. Their customer service is improving - I've never had a prob with them, or their support - but your are absolutely right about parts & availability. Whoever supplies their OEM parts needs a rude awakening. I feel bad for the Apollo employees having to eat mud because the Chinese company is underperforming. I know what the competition is offering, there are some great designs. I like Kaabo's approach to easy-swap wheels and swappable batteries. I love the performance & range of the Namis. But I like a scooter to be a scooter, and not some giant platform that looks like a shipping pallet with wheels. There is such a thing as "too fast" for production scooters. Simple physics. I like to have the option of getting to 80km/h without a lot of effort. But that's as fast as I need for a 100lb scooter.
@@americatheblind5820 I had run into absolutely no issues with the scooter other than the hinge. It proved to be a reliable scooter plagued by issues it should be plagued by. Self healing tires are still going strong. Smooth and stable ride. Good lighting....that is customizable. Plus the fenders really don't good job of protecting you when commuting in the rain.... It's also not too heavy to commute with considering what it is. Yes it has drum brakes and yes I could not believe that such an nice looking an technically advanced scooter could be hampere.bynsuch poor brakes.....BUT expert riders such as myself make it work. This scooter believe it or not teaches you to ride differently....because you cane have stop on the dime braking power so it's like your riding a "fix wheel" electric scooter ..lol
@@americatheblind5820 The scooter was being used for commuting. I broke the hinge the first time and just thought it was because I was riding it everyday....PLUS this scooter is NEW so I thought there might be some growing pains. The scooter like I said In this video was a good commuter and highlighted ALL the things you want said.... So I said let me get another form the Fathers Day Sale.....then the problems started happening. Steering bearings and hinges on any scooter shouldn't be going after amfee months. Plus I was riding the NEW scooter which ALSO has issues still after being fixed with notchy steering. If you watch Apollos videos they show how detail oriented they are and how many people hand check these.scooters.before their shipped. So why are these problems arising? When you open the stem on the Apollo there should be some resistance to opening and closing.....it shouldn't be super easy to latch and unlatch. I've had a handful of scooters from other companies so I have a good idea of the time frame before maintenance. Stems on scooters shouldn't be opening up and stem steering shouldn't be notchy after 3 to 6 months.
Wow! Props to you brother. This is what I call an EXCELLENT review.
@@firstinlastout appreciate you! I try to give y'all the REAL!
@GearWave
Hey,bro, top notch almost full review!!!
Next time, please show uphill & off-road review. The city pros 2024 regen brake is top level. Don't even use the handbrakes!!!
Thank you.
Ride safe.😢❤😊.
@@firstinlastout thanks so much......Ive been wanting to post an on the scooter review...stay tuned.
This is what I call a real and honest review. Short, sweet and to the point. Not like these guys wo post 20 plus minute reviews with all kinds of nonsense.
Agreed 💯
Thanks for making this long-term ownership video review of the Apollo Pro.
This is a real, legit, honest review without any hype.
I have the Apollo City Pro, and enjoy it as my main commuter, despite having my own issues, and was considering upgrading to the Pro, but I think I'll hold off for now and wait until some of these concerns you pointed out are addressed in a refresh/newer model.
Cheers.
Cool you came from mtb background. Me too. Wondering if anyone will partner with someone like rockshox or fox for the suspension. The scooter suspension just isn't there yet but could be massively elevated if that could happen.
Good to see something with the latch/hook system. I might get this and do a review as well but it's pretty pricey and hard to get in a less committal way.
I have a 2023 (V3) Apollo Phantom with just short of 3800kms on it. Friend of mine has the same one, but found the maintenance to be a headache. Tightening bolts & screws every week or so (10 mins) and pre-pumping your tires to correct psi takes seconds but some people expect scooters to just work like a device - plug it in and go. I've had to change 3 rear tires & 4 front so far. I despise the 10" tires, especially with tubes - but I still never got a flat. The Pro's 12" ones, and the IP66 are really impressive.
I was thirsting for a Nami Burn-E2 Max. Still am - IMO, it's the best production scooter you can buy. But Apollo offers something I found I love so much, I can't give it up, so I'm looking at the Pro: dedicated regen. It's the best thing I've ever used on any scooter - and I tend to hate everything.
Nami employ motor braking too, but it's mixed in with the regular brakes. You know what happens with brakes - they scrape, they grind, they make noise. Regen is silent, is SUPER strong, but isn't any good in unplanned emergency stops. You still need good hydraulics at least on the front to stop instantly. But I haven't used my hydraulic brakes more than three times in the year I've owned the Phantom. The Pro offers dedicated regen & that's a huge plus for me.
The Pro's top speed is a bit slow for the price. I know they're just on the cusp of needing a steering damper, which could ruin the aesthetic, add weight & affect the overall design, which is "under 100lbs & can be thrown into the back seat". I like that Apollo have kept it a "scooter".
I heard about the stem issues - and not excusing Apollo from that testing oversight - but Pro owners are getting repairs/replacements under warranty, I assume? It's a brand new design in a new industry, so as long as Apollo make good on the stem issues, I'm not bothered by that. But if I, at 200lbs + a backpack with heavy stuff, can't bend a Phantom stem, what does someone have to do to compromise an improved stem on a Pro?
I heard the Pro's drum brakes get better after they're broken in - but not everyone agrees. If you're going to have drum brakes, though, you need to get a really good quality brand with aggressive stopping.
There's great visibility, and using a phone as the LED screen makes the most sense. I don't care about goofy things like a bluetooth speaker or creative horns. I'm an adult. The Pro's headlight should be more powerful. The signal light caps are a great idea for signaling, but the design was rushed - they have to be protected. Not sure how to do it, but they need to be tougher. I've dropped my Phantom what, 4 times in a year? (tipovers, one take-off from accidental throttle), and I pick it up & keep riding. I'd trade that toughness for better signal lights, even if I had to replace them all 4 times. What is it, $20?
I don't like that you can't have different throttle intensity modes without stopping, opening the app, manually adjusting the throttle intensity, saving the changes, putting the phone away, then riding away. It should have personalized ride modes at the press of a button.
The grip rubber coming off the floorboard is a ridiculous oversight & shouldn't happen.
Their customer service is improving - I've never had a prob with them, or their support - but your are absolutely right about parts & availability. Whoever supplies their OEM parts needs a rude awakening. I feel bad for the Apollo employees having to eat mud because the Chinese company is underperforming.
I know what the competition is offering, there are some great designs. I like Kaabo's approach to easy-swap wheels and swappable batteries. I love the performance & range of the Namis. But I like a scooter to be a scooter, and not some giant platform that looks like a shipping pallet with wheels.
There is such a thing as "too fast" for production scooters. Simple physics. I like to have the option of getting to 80km/h without a lot of effort. But that's as fast as I need for a 100lb scooter.
Locktite
Nice review 👍🏼
That’s my neighborhood I’ve seen you before I have a varla eagle one.. Pelham parkway
@@thatillestbori1 the kid be all over ..LoL awesome area in the Bronx....one of the prettiest areas of the Bronx if you ask me .. thanks for watching!
I just got the pro,less than a week ago,and the stem lock mech failed on my ride,and now it won't stay locked.
Good to know!
You gained a new subscriber
Possibly consider an EMOVE Cruiser S as your upgrade. There's a guy that does delivery with them out in LA, and they take the beating.
@@2010sjay emove is a company that has been consistently great.....thinking of getting the kids Emoves....lol thanks for watching.
I'm questioning why you bought not just one but two of these? Drum brakes, 52v!? Rubber Puck rear suspension? The stem latch fails!?
@@americatheblind5820 I had run into absolutely no issues with the scooter other than the hinge. It proved to be a reliable scooter plagued by issues it should be plagued by. Self healing tires are still going strong. Smooth and stable ride. Good lighting....that is customizable. Plus the fenders really don't good job of protecting you when commuting in the rain.... It's also not too heavy to commute with considering what it is.
Yes it has drum brakes and yes I could not believe that such an nice looking an technically advanced scooter could be hampere.bynsuch poor brakes.....BUT expert riders such as myself make it work.
This scooter believe it or not teaches you to ride differently....because you cane have stop on the dime braking power so it's like your riding a "fix wheel" electric scooter ..lol
@@americatheblind5820 The scooter was being used for commuting. I broke the hinge the first time and just thought it was because I was riding it everyday....PLUS this scooter is NEW so I thought there might be some growing pains. The scooter like I said In this video was a good commuter and highlighted ALL the things you want said....
So I said let me get another form the Fathers Day Sale.....then the problems started happening. Steering bearings and hinges on any scooter shouldn't be going after amfee months.
Plus I was riding the NEW scooter which ALSO has issues still after being fixed with notchy steering.
If you watch Apollos videos they show how detail oriented they are and how many people hand check these.scooters.before their shipped. So why are these problems arising?
When you open the stem on the Apollo there should be some resistance to opening and closing.....it shouldn't be super easy to latch and unlatch.
I've had a handful of scooters from other companies so I have a good idea of the time frame before maintenance. Stems on scooters shouldn't be opening up and stem steering shouldn't be notchy after 3 to 6 months.
Over price garbage I had to take 3 of them back in less than week front wheel vibrate so bad steering be popping waist of money.
Sad.