Again thank you so much for your help I do not know a lot about these older tractors but I am very much wanting to learn. I enjoy doing all the work myself and do not like having to have other people work on my equipment. So your knowledge and the fact that you will take time to help his extraordinary. Thank you very much
Jason, I keep coming back to your videos year after year as I do misc maintenance on my ford tractors. Your videos are by far some of the best on these models. Thank you.
I rebuilt my Ford 8N last year, changed it over to an electronic ignition, thanks for making this amazing education step by step video Jason!! It started on the first crank over!!
Just bought a '40 9N with 12V but with points. Gonna get changed ASAP. Perfectly clear and information filled presentation - thank you, sir! Joe S (USAF Ret. AK and ID)
i have a 53 dodge trk 6cy uses points no problem if you are having pitting prob on points change dist. condenser may have wrong mfd value or it is def condenser must match coil for max spark very easy to install wrong condenser.
Very thorough video. Back in the day my Dad had a 9N. He took the front wheels off and replaced them with car tires. It was a lot smoother driving across a plowed field.
Barny Canuck my great grandfather used to do that but it was because he was to cheap to replace the tires with tractor tires but it made it hard to steer.
The bigger tires eat up your steering gears. We have two since new, a 1944 and a 1947. The 1944 had the 4.00-19 replaced with 6.00-16 truck tires then tractor tires in late 1950s. The 1947 still has the 4.00-19s the 1944 has completely worn out 3 sets of steering gears while the 1947 still has the original steering gears. We have now bought new wheels and put the 4.00-19s on the 1944 to much easier steering too.
Great video man; had an 8-N on the farm growing up. As a young boy I remember using it to feeding the cattle in the cold winters we used to have in north Georgia back un the 60’s. Rarely did it ever fail to start even in the coldest winter day and If it didn’t, it was always a battery issue. Just don’t make um like that anymore ! Great content and very informative 👍
Great content! So happy you did this like they really should be done. Made the whole process on conversion seem like a cake walk, even though I'm certain it wasn't as easy as you made it seem. The addition of the Dennis Carpenter headlights also was in keeping with the original, being an actual Ford die that made the shell and rings. The braided wire loom was a logical and perfect departure for your connections. Thank you for your efforts. Know that if I should find myself working on a Ford N-series tractor one day, I'll have the know-how and confidence to tackle the job at hand. Will be staying tuned in for all your content in the future.
@@Jason1Pa just thrilled to see folks who bother to do things that really lend dependability and stick to the standards that made these tractors the workhorse of most folks farms. It was practical advice with common-sense tips on just how to make it come all together well. Thanks for taking a moment to respond back. Be safe and stay well.
Great video Jason....I have an 8N and it is in rough shape. Had it converted to 12v and this would have been very doable even for a non mechanic like myself. Thank you.
Jason...thanks for posting this video! I kind of stumbled onto your channel, and this conversion really interested me. I don't own a tractor, but enjoy working on vehicles. I wanted to let you know that your presentation was awesome!! Great camera angles so viewers could get a clear view, audio that was clear, and spot-on knowledge of the subject and explanation of the process. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
By the way...that's a beautiful little tractor. Super job on the restoration! I agree with your mind set on the 12v upgrade. It's one thing to enjoy the "originality" of the tractor, but also practicality plays a big part. I'm glad you use it for what it was meant to do...work!
thank you Jason , I was very anxious to hear it running , I hope you'll give that red a new coat, good luck with this piece of antique its beautiful , I just bought one its an 8N original shape it's already converted to 12 volt I will check the conversion as soon as my 8N will arrive to its new home.
Great video!... You can't go wrong when you deal with Derek at Just 8N's! I'm fortunate to live about 20 minutes from his shop and he has been a tremendous help every time I go in!
Another "Great" for the video. Nice work explaining the centering of the static timing. When I installed the 1247 electronic ignition on my '50 front mount 8N I think I had to run a separate 12 volt line from the ignition switch with a diode to keep the tractor from running after I shut it off. I did have an after market ignition switch with no accessory terminal though.
@@Jason1Pa hay man how's things going? My name is Sean and I would like to get a full list of names of parts, model numbers and such for the parts you used in the video. I have an 8n that I have to replace all wires on and any and all info will help. It runs but takes a battery and jump box because I've been to lazy to replace the dryroted wiring lol. Thanks
'MERICA! awesome video. Really appreciate your knowledge an explanation. I will be buying my first 9N I believe it's a 48. Hopefully my conversion to 12 volts goes smooth
9Ns were made from 1939 to 1942 then came the 2N from 1942 to 1947. Then in mid 1947 the 8N came out and lasted until 1952. Good luck with with your new tractor
Good video - and I agree with you about the Pertronix. i've been using them a long, long time. I think the first one I bought was $12 or $18 ( can't remember now - about 1970). Over the years I've converted 7 or 8 vehicles and never had one go bad. Believe me, the're more than $18 now.
I think the whole kit for the front mount distributors is around $130 give or take. Depends on who you get it from. If down the road you'd need to replace the module only it would be around $60
A 52 8N has a total different design. That would be a side distributor not a front mount. Also the alternator is on the left hand side. Thanks for watching
Awesome video. I used your video to do my 12 volt conversion on my 1947 2n. I ordered all my parts through Just8ns and was extremely pleased with the quality of parts. I have my own youtube channel and was going to video my conversion but nothing beats your video. very informative with step by step instructions. Thanks for putting in the work and time in to making this video.
I had to switch my 2n over to 12 volt because I couldn't keep the generators working also..i done this about 10 years ago and havent had a problem since..just did a tune up with points, condenser. And rotor..ive been running this tractor here on my farm for 35 years. People love to see it in my gardening videos..ty for doing this video.. Rick in NC
Thanks for watching Rick. Yeah dealing with charging issues due to junk cut out relays and junk brushes for the generators anymore got to frustrating and expensive keeping it 6 volt
Terrific video! I just bought a Ford 8N and a Ford 900. The 8N is a six volt and it runs fine - I used it last summer to operate a brush hog. The wiring is a mess on both tractors. The 900 uses a 12 volt but the alternator isn't charging the battery. I appreciate gentlemen like you who show me the right way to perform upgrades that don't take away the history of these historic machines. Thank you, Jason!
you alternator needs to have about 14 v to charge 12v batter measure batt voltage with it running look for 14 volts if yous ee say 8 volt its a 6 volt alternator
Yes as everyone else said Very good video. I'm like you today I put on and adjusted 3 different sets of points and even a new complete base plate with points set too, for a front distrisbuter and 3 times it ran for one minute and the points would not open and close for more than a minute and it quit running. ....Most New points are junk....I'm going Electronic on this one I have done it in the past and most of the times it's very easy install . When you put your test light on the coil to see if you had power I like to take it one step further and turn the motor over with the test light attached coil to see if the light blinks on and off telling me the points are opening and closing properly....GREAT JOB !!
Thanks Bruce! I normally put a meter on there instead of a test light when I'm actually trouble shooting. A test light will light up with any amount of current but isn't telling you if you got enough.
Great looking tractor and well cared for. Just performed this same upgrade on a friend's 1946 2N but instead of connecting the red wire of the Pertronix ignition to the coil positive (37:30 in the video) I ran a dedicated wire from the ignition switch to the red wire of the ignition. Reason being, if connected to the coil terminal the voltage to the electronics in the ignition is dropped to 8-9 volts by the ballast resistor. This is less than the intended 12-14 volts normally applied to the electronic ignition during operation. One additional modification was to connect a ground wire from the stud that holds the electronics to the plate to the threaded hole where the condenser once attached to provide the best ground possible. Great work!
I've seen that wiring done before. Reason why I didn't do it was I didn't want a wire on the outside of the new wire harness and I didn't want to open it up to put it in.
Great video, helped a lot with my installation. One thing I found out, by accident when looking on an antique tractor forum, is that the Pertronix part needs suppression spark plug wires, not the standard wires with a steel or copper core. I called Pertronix and they confirmed this. It's not mentioned in the instructions. Steiner Tractor has them, so does a company called Brillman. Pertronix says without the suppression wires, the electronic ignition can fail.
You are absolutely correct. At the time of this video I was not aware of this until 4 years later. As you said it's not in the directions. Fortunately. In my opinion the cheap square coils we have available today are pretty weak compared to the round oil filled coils. In my opinion they don't produce enough juice to create the electromagnetic pulse that could destroy the module. I have since replaced all the plug wires on all my Fords just to be safe, but I had several hours on the old copper wires with no issues.
Thank you! This video answered a few questions I’ve trying to find answers for regarding an 8n a buddy of mine has that someone swapped the 12v kit over from another 8n onto this one. There has been more than one issue or I should say conflict with the 3/4 12v kit and 1/4 6v system. 😤
Hi, I am back again and having a other look and would like to add a second comment. Always run the earth lead from the battery direct to the engine and then earth the engine to the bodywork, doing it this way gives a perfect power flow to the starter motor and eliminates any loose or dirty connections in the body or frame. I have been a heavy diesel mechanic on trucks and earthmovers for over fifty years so I am talking from experience.
Hi Bob welcome back! You are giving a good tip. However I'm one to try and keep things simple and fallow the book and keep the wiring simple and less of it. I can honestly say I never have had and kind of grounding issues with any of my tractors other then right at the battery posts.
Hi Jason, just got finished watching this entire tape video rather and I’m glad I did because it’s exactly what I’m gonna be doing to my Ford two and when I get up and work on this spring when it gets up warm up West Virginia but I’m converting it over to 12 V and I’m gonna put headlights tail lights and electronic ignition too so it exactlyshow me how to do all that so good take thank you
Jason with your help, I just got Rachel running!!! Total rewire and electronic ignition. Never heard it run this good!! Bought 5 years ago finally get some satisfaction!. Driving her (41 ser# 85407) from Brunswick md to martinsburg wv cause I can't get a trailer..... thanks for your videos, hydros is next
That is great to hear!!! I do have hydraulic repair videos if you have not seen them yet. Good luck on your trip and be safe!! I Googled the distance and it says about 30 miles. I've given one 35 miles on a tractor run. It will feel slow but take your time. I would highly recommend taking another coil with you. These new ones arn't very good. If you have a extra you probably won't need it.
starlin hembree You wouldn't need it if you are using the original style resistor that's on the firewall. Now if your tractor has some other way of being wired and doesn't use the original resistor then chances are you do.
Jason1Pa Life is good, been working on my ‘26 Model T Ford soft top pickup, frame off. May need to spend some time with the 8N to tune up the roads a bit. Looking forward to your new projects, i really appreciate the extra effort you make to note the differences in jobs on the 8N!
liked your video nice looking tractor. I am doing and convert a 6N 6volt to 12volt and electronic ignition had a water pump go bad and dump all the antifreeze fan hitting shroud and sheared blade off a never got into radiator. I purchased the old tractor last year to handle job I was doing was a hassle to jumper it all the time. I'm a machanic have work on anything that rolled pushed or carried in door so I here you on the quality poor made products out there these day parts quality products use to last years and if they failed your could repair them or purchase a OEM standard repair kit these days its sucks because if you have a part fail you replace it with a worse quality made part that made in china you be lucky if you get a year out of it
My dad did that years ago on a ford tractor, convertto 12. Volt, alternator and electronic ignition. But left the starter as a six volt. Everybody said it would burn out . That starter was never changed ,it started so fast and easy.
There is a common myth out there that a 6 volt starter won't work with 12 volts. Obviously that is false. In all honesty 6 volts is harder on the starter and other components. Like you said the 12 volt system starts these engines so fast.
There is a time for everything. Parts in a bag should you sell and you don't strike me as a seller. I love the fine detail and effort to keep original as most won't have a clue. I never apologize for making my stuff work for me as its mine and I can throw it off a cliff if I want to. You and I both know the satisfaction of using a tool that means something to the holder
Liked, subscribed, and did the notifications. Like your videos - very well done. I appreciate you taking the hood off of the tractor so that we could see what is going on. WOW- your tractors are CLEAN! I have a 1952 8N with Sherman transmission
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed! Hopefully some new videos being posted soon. Tractors are clean because I restore them and retire them. 😆 I'd like to get a late model 8N with a Sherman someday. Right now I'm looking around for a Sherman for my 48 8N.
@@Jason1Pa I got lucky when I got mine. I still use it for light work on my place Up North, but I also have a small diesel kubota with a front loader and 4wd (and power steering).... Great machine.. already converted to 12 volts, but none of the gauges are hooked up or lights.. I want to put LED replacement lights in it, then do the body work
@@joecnc3341 the side distributor 8Ns are nice to do the electronic ignition on since you have the round coil. You can get a "hot" one and will have enough resistance with out any extra resistors. Just a word of caution get new plug wires. Get new carbon core. Don't use the copper core wires. They can produce a electronic pulse and damage the electronic ignition module.
Great video. I've got a 1940 9n and the charging system never worked. I've seen videos and everyone wired up there systems differently and sorta scared me on doing a conversion. So I am ordering both a 12volt charging system and ignition system( always burning up points). Thanks for showing me/us how easy it is to do
@gregpratt6926 A lot of people hate it,but a lot of people love it. I currently have 4 tractors that have it and only experienced one failure and it was totally my fault. I didn't have enough resistance. My first tractor to get switched to EI was in 2004 and still going strong. One thing I failed to mention in the video is changing the copper core plug wires
Just watched this video for the second time, my brother has a 58 8n that sat for a while and was already converted to 12v. It won't run when it gets hot, sooo, so this video explains alot !!! I'm an OK mechanic, so this helped me answer all the question- problems that we are having ! Going to redo it your way!! Thanks! You have no idea how simple you made this for me! Good day! Especially about the resistors, figured there was one in the alternator , Going with electronic ignition also!
@@stevehamman4465 It's fairly normal for a coil to get hot to the touch,but there is such a thing as too much. A lot of the 12 volt coils being processed don't have enough windings in them. They are equivalent to a 6 volt. It is important to test any coil with a meter to see how much resistance it has. You may need to add a extra inline resistor. Generally a 12 volt coil will have around 3.0 ohms of resistance where as a 6 volt will be around 1.5 ohms. You can use a 6 volt coil with 12 volt battery but you would need to add a extra resistor.
@@Jason1Pa , Thanks ! This isn't a rush job. , it's to hot outside for this old timer! May have to pick your brain later on! Thanks for the information!, Good day!
@@Jason1Pa , when I was younger my father bought a used blue and grey diesel Ford, New Holland engine. 9n ?? 64 something?. 4 speed . It was burning oil , so was going to have it fixed , dude took it apart then said he couldn't find parts for it. This was 40yrs ago, so ?
Thank you Jason for this very informative video. I converted mine to 12 volt using the kit from just 8n's and also there was a guy on the forum I forget which 1 it was.maybe the 8n forum.( I have a 1948 8n by the way,) who pulled the guts out of his coil put an external coil and then ran the coil wire down through the old cap and soldered the secondary coil wire in place where the coil contacts the dist. cap and that's what I did and it works really good I have an external coil that I got from Napa with an internal resistor 12 volt and it really works good and I just wondered what I'd have to do to put the electronic in there I'm using the points and condenser right now so probably just the same thing I just have to solder or just put the The wire coming up from the electronic ignition system to where I placed the coil wire now and that would probably work ideal.🎚️🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🙏🚜🚜btw the old 8n whom I named " BUbba-Tom" starts@the first punch of the starter button after it's warmed up.
Glen Yes,putting a external round coil is a good choice if you want to make your ignition system almost bullet proof. The square coils of today are just junk. I thought about getting the kit from Yesterday's Tractor at some point but for now I just keep a few extra coils on hand for the Fords. Sounds like you have the right idea when it comes to wiring up the EI just one thing I forgot to mention in the video you need to change the copper core spark plug wires to the modern suppression ones. The copper ones can create a electronic pulse that could damage the EI module.
@@Jason1Pa thank you Jason yeah I'm going to order those wires when I ordered the EI so yeah I read that part in there I guess another reader or viewer had seen that and asked about that so that's what I'm going to do I'm going to order it when I order the kit thank you Jason for what you do I'm going to tune into this I'm going to subscribe so you have a good good day bye 😉😉🎚️🇱🇷🇱🇷🙏🚜
Your very good at teaching a pretend mechanic like me how to do it the right way. Thank you now I'm able to try it myself. At least I've got a video to keep me from messing up. A shad tree mechanic such as myself always ends up with a few extra parts at the end of the job. Lol.
I appreciate the kind words!! I don't consider myself the best teacher in the world but I give it my best. Good luck with your conversion!! And don't worry about those extra parts. Extra parts just shows you made it better!!😂 LOL
Great video, I really enjoyed it. Nice touch painting the alternator black. I've been on the fence about converting my 9N to 12V. It currently has a 3rd brush generator and I've had a few issues. I had to replace a cutout because it wouldn't close. I didn't notice for a while so the generator got really hot spinning with no load on it. With the new cutout it's charging but it's overcharging, I can't get it to charge any less than 9 amps on its lowest setting so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before it needs the generator rebuilt.
Dave M Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it. I can assure you at 9 amps you will cook that generator in a short amount of time. I generally don't like to go over 3 amps
I was afraid of that. Is this the kit that you used from just8N's - www.just8ns.com/8NE10300ALTC-Years-1939-50-12V-Conversion-Kit-Front-Mount-Dist? I like the alternator bracket you used.
Piney life Suggested your RUclips channel and I am here for your guidance. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise. And hello, from Romulus, Michigan.
Hello!! Thanks for stopping in and commenting! Hope you find a lot of my Ford videos helpful. Your not too far from the Henry Ford Museum and Village? I've been there a couple times. Along with the Michigan Speedway and Lake Michigan. Very beautiful state!
@Jason1Pa actually at 275/94 in romulus 12 miles w from Henry Ford Greenfield village the family and i go there about 3 times a year The tractor I picked up is about 1947 I cranked it over today just to see if it would it was in gear at moved, did not fire. Wire harness is a mess I would like to get it running. I need to find out if the block is good or not. Do you have a step 1 video? For a known tractor. Meaning I have no idea about this tractor
@@Jason1Pa no I don’t know where they got that name but that’s the grandson that I have around now he’s only one that I’ll make contact with so he’s going to get this Tractor when we get done and he’s gonna learn how to work on it so have a good day
Boy I really know what you mean about the low quality import parts. It sure gets aggravating messing with that stuff. Especially when it goes down at the worst possible time. I had no idea electronic ignition was available, thats good to know, thanks :)
Gunters Garage The struggle it real man. LOL I am a 6 volt guy and took me years to convert but I am tired of breaking down. You'd be surprised you can get electronic ignition for just about everything these days.
I know what you mean. I like 6 volt and points for the cool factor. People are always “oh wow your still running 6v & points”. Its funny how some folks think its a big deal. If you can get good parts everthing works fine. Key word good parts, lol.
Great video, very helpful! The generator tension bracket you removed do you still have it, I can’t seem to get one anywhere if you would be interested in selling?
Margaret Macdonald I'm sorry I keep all my old stuff in case I need it for another project or if I'd want to go back to the 6 volt system for whatever reason. Google John Smiths Ford page online and send him a email. He may have one or he knows other collectors that do.
What ohm coil and which wiring diagram did you use for rest of tractor? I'm very frustrated with my points and am just going to strip it all off and reinstall all new.
If you have a 12 volt system you want a coil with 3.0 ohms. If lower you'll want to add a extra resistor. Google JMAR wiring diagram for your particular model and set up. What issues are you having with the points. EI isn't always going to solve your problem especially if the distributer bushings are worn.
Jason, I have a question, if you please. The gasket for the coil - is it imperative? I ask this because I just changed the camshaft gear (it failed) and everything is back together again. I don't remember seeing this gasket when I disassembled everything. Now that I have it back together again (with no gasket), there is no spark. However, with my little test light, power is reaching the coil from the hot wire leading from the ignition switch. But, when I connect the wire from inside the distributor to the top of the coil with the hot wire, my test light goes dark. Can you help me figure out what the problem is. This is so odd, and I am rather naive about electronics. If you can reply to me about this, I wil be grateful. Thank you
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I painfully watched another conversion video before I found yours, ty for a great edited learning video *****
@FTT143 Awesome! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
One of the best informational videos I’ve seen by far.
This is a great video on the conversion I have been considering. Great Job Jason!
Again thank you so much for your help I do not know a lot about these older tractors but I am very much wanting to learn. I enjoy doing all the work myself and do not like having to have other people work on my equipment. So your knowledge and the fact that you will take time to help his extraordinary. Thank you very much
Jason, I keep coming back to your videos year after year as I do misc maintenance on my ford tractors. Your videos are by far some of the best on these models. Thank you.
That's awesome to hear! Glad they can help you!
Very helpful video. Excellent detail and rationale for each decision. Am impressed with what these old tractors can do
Thank you Sir!! Thanks for watching!
The best description of any repair on RUclips you have.
Thank You!! Glad you enjoyed it!
I rebuilt my Ford 8N last year, changed it over to an electronic ignition, thanks for making this amazing education step by step video Jason!! It started on the first crank over!!
Awesome!! So great to hear!! Have fun with the 8N
Just bought a '40 9N with 12V but with points. Gonna get changed ASAP.
Perfectly clear and information filled presentation - thank you, sir!
Joe S (USAF Ret. AK and ID)
i have a 53 dodge trk 6cy uses points no problem if you are having pitting prob on points change dist. condenser may have wrong mfd value or it is def condenser must match coil for max spark very easy to install wrong condenser.
MIne's a 1950. Redoing it now. Great video. You do excellent work. Thanks for posting .
Thank you!! Thanks for watching
ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS IVE SEEN.. YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF ! Thank you
I appreciate it Pete. Thanks
This is really helpful. Thanks for posting it.
My pleasure
You make such informative videos. This was helpful in so many ways. Thank you so much!
Thank you so much!!! Glad it could help.
Very thorough video. Back in the day my Dad had a 9N. He took the front wheels off and replaced them with car tires. It was a lot smoother driving across a plowed field.
Barny Canuck my great grandfather used to do that but it was because he was to cheap to replace the tires with tractor tires but it made it hard to steer.
The bigger tires eat up your steering gears. We have two since new, a 1944 and a 1947. The 1944 had the 4.00-19 replaced with 6.00-16 truck tires then tractor tires in late 1950s. The 1947 still has the 4.00-19s the 1944 has completely worn out 3 sets of steering gears while the 1947 still has the original steering gears. We have now bought new wheels and put the 4.00-19s on the 1944 to much easier steering too.
Great video man; had an 8-N on the farm growing up. As a young boy I remember using it to feeding the cattle in the cold winters we used to have in north Georgia back un the 60’s. Rarely did it ever fail to start even in the coldest winter day and If it didn’t, it was always a battery issue. Just don’t make um like that anymore ! Great content and very informative 👍
Thank You!! Glad you enjoyed!
Great content! So happy you did this like they really should be done. Made the whole process on conversion seem like a cake walk, even though I'm certain it wasn't as easy as you made it seem. The addition of the Dennis Carpenter headlights also was in keeping with the original, being an actual Ford die that made the shell and rings. The braided wire loom was a logical and perfect departure for your connections. Thank you for your efforts. Know that if I should find myself working on a Ford N-series tractor one day, I'll have the know-how and confidence to tackle the job at hand. Will be staying tuned in for all your content in the future.
Thank you Sir I really appreciate the kind words!
@@Jason1Pa just thrilled to see folks who bother to do things that really lend dependability and stick to the standards that made these tractors the workhorse of most folks farms. It was practical advice with common-sense tips on just how to make it come all together well. Thanks for taking a moment to respond back. Be safe and stay well.
Man am happy you posted this going to change over thanks for the information Jason.
Your welcome! Good luck
thank you Jason, replaced the coil and the 8N runs great.
Dave Gerken Awesome!! That's what I like to hear!!
Thank you for explaining so well!.just what I need to get Rachel running well again. Thanks Tom in md
Thanks Tom and hope you get Rachel running good soon!!
Great video Jason....I have an 8N and it is in rough shape. Had it converted to 12v and this would have been very doable even for a non mechanic like myself. Thank you.
Thanks Tom 😃
Jason...thanks for posting this video! I kind of stumbled onto your channel, and this conversion really interested me. I don't own a tractor, but enjoy working on vehicles. I wanted to let you know that your presentation was awesome!! Great camera angles so viewers could get a clear view, audio that was clear, and spot-on knowledge of the subject and explanation of the process. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Thanks Robert I really appreciate the compliments!
By the way...that's a beautiful little tractor. Super job on the restoration! I agree with your mind set on the 12v upgrade. It's one thing to enjoy the "originality" of the tractor, but also practicality plays a big part. I'm glad you use it for what it was meant to do...work!
Appreciate the details and explaining the parts and info on them. Thank you and keep it up
thank you Jason , I was very anxious to hear it running , I hope you'll give that red a new coat, good luck with this piece of antique its beautiful , I just bought one its an 8N original shape it's already converted to 12 volt I will check the conversion as soon as my 8N will arrive to its new home.
Thanks! Hopefully it will get completely stripped next summer an painted correctly. Good luck with your 8N.
Great video!... You can't go wrong when you deal with Derek at Just 8N's! I'm fortunate to live about 20 minutes from his shop and he has been a tremendous help every time I go in!
That's awesome!!! I sure wish I lived near by it would save me a bunch on shipping! 😆 Thanks for watching!
Another "Great" for the video. Nice work explaining the centering of the static timing. When I installed the 1247 electronic ignition on my '50 front mount 8N I think I had to run a separate 12 volt line from the ignition switch with a diode to keep the tractor from running after I shut it off. I did have an after market ignition switch with no accessory terminal though.
traffic czar Thanks! There are many ways these tractors can be wired. I think this is the easiest way to do it.
A whole lot of great info. Man I love those old tractor's .
Thanks
@@Jason1Pa hay man how's things going? My name is Sean and I would like to get a full list of names of parts, model numbers and such for the parts you used in the video. I have an 8n that I have to replace all wires on and any and all info will help. It runs but takes a battery and jump box because I've been to lazy to replace the dryroted wiring lol. Thanks
'MERICA! awesome video. Really appreciate your knowledge an explanation. I will be buying my first 9N I believe it's a 48. Hopefully my conversion to 12 volts goes smooth
9Ns were made from 1939 to 1942 then came the 2N from 1942 to 1947. Then in mid 1947 the 8N came out and lasted until 1952. Good luck with with your new tractor
Very detailed, Thanks!
22:00 to 40:00 electronic ignition section. I had installed one on an 8n side distributor with instructions. This helped out Thanks
Great video Jason so many use full tips in here dave from Ireland
david o leary Glad you enjoyed it Dave!
Great looking tractor and great job God bless you
Thanks
I am not a tractor guy but the information on the electrical system was great. Nice looking tractor.
Thanks Charlie! Thanks for watching!
Good video - and I agree with you about the Pertronix.
i've been using them a long, long time. I think the first one I bought was $12 or $18 ( can't remember now - about 1970). Over the years I've converted 7 or 8 vehicles and never had one go bad. Believe me, the're more than $18 now.
I think the whole kit for the front mount distributors is around $130 give or take. Depends on who you get it from. If down the road you'd need to replace the module only it would be around $60
Great video thank you for sharing, i just bought 52' 8n an find this super helpful. Thanks again and beautiful work!
A 52 8N has a total different design. That would be a side distributor not a front mount. Also the alternator is on the left hand side. Thanks for watching
Great video. I appreciate your attention to detail and the clarity of the video and explanation of what you’re doing. Thanks!
M M Your welcome!! Glad you found it useful. Stay tuned there will be more trouble shooting and how to videos in the future
Awesome video. I used your video to do my 12 volt conversion on my 1947 2n. I ordered all my parts through Just8ns and was extremely pleased with the quality of parts. I have my own youtube channel and was going to video my conversion but nothing beats your video. very informative with step by step instructions. Thanks for putting in the work and time in to making this video.
Awesome!! Glad it helped you. Thanks
I subbed to you as well. Looks like some interesting stuff.
Thank you for the sub I really appreciate it.
Great video! It was very well done.
I had to switch my 2n over to 12 volt because I couldn't keep the generators working also..i done this about 10 years ago and havent had a problem since..just did a tune up with points, condenser. And rotor..ive been running this tractor here on my farm for 35 years. People love to see it in my gardening videos..ty for doing this video..
Rick in NC
Thanks for watching Rick. Yeah dealing with charging issues due to junk cut out relays and junk brushes for the generators anymore got to frustrating and expensive keeping it 6 volt
Again thank you for all the information on the electrical work
Your very welcome William!! I hope the videos can help you with your future project!
Terrific video! I just bought a Ford 8N and a Ford 900. The 8N is a six volt and it runs fine - I used it last summer to operate a brush hog. The wiring is a mess on both tractors. The 900 uses a 12 volt but the alternator isn't charging the battery. I appreciate gentlemen like you who show me the right way to perform upgrades that don't take away the history of these historic machines. Thank you, Jason!
Your welcome!! Enjoy those Fords!!
you alternator needs to have about 14 v to charge 12v batter measure batt voltage with it running look for 14 volts if yous ee say 8 volt its a 6 volt alternator
Outstanding video! Tractor looks great 👍
Farmall Fanatic Thanks Farmall Fanatic!! Glad you enjoyed it
great tutorial, very in depth.
Thanks!! 😃
Yes as everyone else said Very good video. I'm like you today I put on and adjusted 3 different sets of points and even a new complete base plate with points set too, for a front distrisbuter and 3 times it ran for one minute and the points would not open and close for more than a minute and it quit running. ....Most New points are junk....I'm going Electronic on this one I have done it in the past and most of the times it's very easy install . When you put your test light on the coil to see if you had power I like to take it one step further and turn the motor over with the test light attached coil to see if the light blinks on and off telling me the points are opening and closing properly....GREAT JOB !!
Thanks Bruce! I normally put a meter on there instead of a test light when I'm actually trouble shooting. A test light will light up with any amount of current but isn't telling you if you got enough.
Great looking tractor and well cared for. Just performed this same upgrade on a friend's 1946 2N but instead of connecting the red wire of the Pertronix ignition to the coil positive (37:30 in the video) I ran a dedicated wire from the ignition switch to the red wire of the ignition. Reason being, if connected to the coil terminal the voltage to the electronics in the ignition is dropped to 8-9 volts by the ballast resistor. This is less than the intended 12-14 volts normally applied to the electronic ignition during operation. One additional modification was to connect a ground wire from the stud that holds the electronics to the plate to the threaded hole where the condenser once attached to provide the best ground possible. Great work!
I've seen that wiring done before. Reason why I didn't do it was I didn't want a wire on the outside of the new wire harness and I didn't want to open it up to put it in.
Does that mean everything else shares that same low voltage?
Good stuff. Will be using your knowledge on my ‘49 8n. Thank you!👍
Awesome! Good luck and thanks for watching!
Great video, helped a lot with my installation. One thing I found out, by accident when looking on an antique tractor forum, is that the Pertronix part needs suppression spark plug wires, not the standard wires with a steel or copper core. I called Pertronix and they confirmed this. It's not mentioned in the instructions. Steiner Tractor has them, so does a company called Brillman. Pertronix says without the suppression wires, the electronic ignition can fail.
You are absolutely correct. At the time of this video I was not aware of this until 4 years later. As you said it's not in the directions. Fortunately. In my opinion the cheap square coils we have available today are pretty weak compared to the round oil filled coils. In my opinion they don't produce enough juice to create the electromagnetic pulse that could destroy the module. I have since replaced all the plug wires on all my Fords just to be safe, but I had several hours on the old copper wires with no issues.
Jason thanks for another great video.
Robert Hughes Thanks Robert!! Stay tuned. Trouble shooting video coming in the near future!!
Really an awesome video, I can't say enough about it !
Thanks Stephen!! Glad you liked it.
Thank you! This video answered a few questions I’ve trying to find answers for regarding an 8n a buddy of mine has that someone swapped the 12v kit over from another 8n onto this one. There has been more than one issue or I should say conflict with the 3/4 12v kit and 1/4 6v system. 😤
Glad the videos helped some. Good luck!
Hi, I am back again and having a other look and would like to add a second comment. Always run the earth lead from the battery direct to the engine and then earth the engine to the bodywork, doing it this way gives a perfect power flow to the starter motor and eliminates any loose or dirty connections in the body or frame. I have been a heavy diesel mechanic on trucks and earthmovers for over fifty years so I am talking from experience.
Hi Bob welcome back! You are giving a good tip. However I'm one to try and keep things simple and fallow the book and keep the wiring simple and less of it. I can honestly say I never have had and kind of grounding issues with any of my tractors other then right at the battery posts.
Great video, you explained a lot,and I learned a lot as well so thanks.
Ken Harvey Your welcome Ken glad you got something out of it.
Hi Jason, just got finished watching this entire tape video rather and I’m glad I did because it’s exactly what I’m gonna be doing to my Ford two and when I get up and work on this spring when it gets up warm up West Virginia but I’m converting it over to 12 V and I’m gonna put headlights tail lights and electronic ignition too so it exactlyshow me how to do all that so good take thank you
Your welcome!! Good luck!
Really nice explanation of conversion. Very professional install!
Looking at getting one of the tractors eventually...not sure which one tho!
Thank You and I'm glad you found it enjoyable. I'm sure you will be happy with either of the models.
Jason with your help, I just got Rachel running!!! Total rewire and electronic ignition. Never heard it run this good!! Bought 5 years ago finally get some satisfaction!. Driving her (41 ser# 85407) from Brunswick md to martinsburg wv cause I can't get a trailer..... thanks for your videos, hydros is next
That is great to hear!!! I do have hydraulic repair videos if you have not seen them yet.
Good luck on your trip and be safe!! I Googled the distance and it says about 30 miles. I've given one 35 miles on a tractor run. It will feel slow but take your time. I would highly recommend taking another coil with you. These new ones arn't very good. If you have a extra you probably won't need it.
Nice job. Very informative.
Terry Higgins Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Thanks Jason. I watched your other 2N videos as well. These will be extremely helpful to me when I tackle my 2N.
Awesome!! Thanks for watching!!
Great video. I’m a pretty big fan of antique tractors.especially the ford n models.
I just subscribed
Awesome Thanks!!
So cool! It is nice to see someone taking care of a historical farm tractor!
Thank you for sharing your great video, I found it to be very informative.
Thanks again!
I appreciate it 😁 Thanks for watching
Hello Jason I have a 8n 12volt with a 12volt coil also along with the white resistor so I don't need that great video
starlin hembree You wouldn't need it if you are using the original style resistor that's on the firewall. Now if your tractor has some other way of being wired and doesn't use the original resistor then chances are you do.
Great to see you back again!
Rick Olson It's good to be back Rick. Hopefully got some projects lined up in the near future. How's things been with you?
Jason1Pa Life is good, been working on my ‘26 Model T Ford soft top pickup, frame off. May need to spend some time with the 8N to tune up the roads a bit. Looking forward to your new projects, i really appreciate the extra effort you make to note the differences in jobs on the 8N!
Rick Olson I'm jealous I've been wanting a Model T for years!!
Jason1Pa You’ll feel right at home with a 6 volt T!
Good sir thanks 🇮🇳👍🚜
Outstanding video !! Very interesting !!
Thank You very much! Greatly appreciated.
I don’t have a tractor yet but I’m glad I watched this video I’m still in the market for a 9n 8n or a 2n
That's great!!! Hope you can find one soon!!
EXCELLENT THANKYOU
liked your video nice looking tractor. I am doing and convert a 6N 6volt to 12volt and electronic ignition had a water pump go bad and dump all the antifreeze fan hitting shroud and sheared blade off a never got into radiator. I purchased the old tractor last year to handle job I was doing was a hassle to jumper it all the time. I'm a machanic have work on anything that rolled pushed or carried in door so I here you on the quality poor made products out there these day parts quality products use to last years and if they failed your could repair them or purchase a OEM standard repair kit these days its sucks because if you have a part fail you replace it with a worse quality made part that made in china you be lucky if you get a year out of it
Very good job, thanks for sharing.
Thank You!!
My dad did that years ago on a ford tractor, convertto 12. Volt, alternator and electronic ignition. But left the starter as a six volt. Everybody said it would burn out . That starter was never changed ,it started so fast and easy.
There is a common myth out there that a 6 volt starter won't work with 12 volts. Obviously that is false. In all honesty 6 volts is harder on the starter and other components. Like you said the 12 volt system starts these engines so fast.
There is a time for everything. Parts in a bag should you sell and you don't strike me as a seller. I love the fine detail and effort to keep original as most won't have a clue. I never apologize for making my stuff work for me as its mine and I can throw it off a cliff if I want to. You and I both know the satisfaction of using a tool that means something to the holder
Liked, subscribed, and did the notifications. Like your videos - very well done. I appreciate you taking the hood off of the tractor so that we could see what is going on. WOW- your tractors are CLEAN! I have a 1952 8N with Sherman transmission
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed! Hopefully some new videos being posted soon.
Tractors are clean because I restore them and retire them. 😆
I'd like to get a late model 8N with a Sherman someday. Right now I'm looking around for a Sherman for my 48 8N.
@@Jason1Pa I got lucky when I got mine. I still use it for light work on my place Up North, but I also have a small diesel kubota with a front loader and 4wd (and power steering).... Great machine.. already converted to 12 volts, but none of the gauges are hooked up or lights.. I want to put LED replacement lights in it, then do the body work
@@Jason1Pa Now I want to do the electronic ignition upgrade, too. Can definitely see what you mean about the quality of today's Points & Condensors
@@joecnc3341 the side distributor 8Ns are nice to do the electronic ignition on since you have the round coil. You can get a "hot" one and will have enough resistance with out any extra resistors. Just a word of caution get new plug wires. Get new carbon core. Don't use the copper core wires. They can produce a electronic pulse and damage the electronic ignition module.
@@Jason1Pa Thank You- for the advice. I want to keep "Henry" running.
Nicely done!
Thanks Bill😃
Great video. I've got a 1940 9n and the charging system never worked. I've seen videos and everyone wired up there systems differently and sorta scared me on doing a conversion. So I am ordering both a 12volt charging system and ignition system( always burning up points). Thanks for showing me/us how easy it is to do
Larry Meyers Glad the video helped! Yes there are some scary wiring out there
did you get your tractor wired?
Great video thanks.
Thank you I can hardly wait until it gets warm enough so I can go up and start working on the tractor
I can't wait for better weather either. We need to dry out too.
@@Jason1Pa same here
Nice walk though especially on the ignition . We had upgraded the 8n to 12volt long ago but electronic ignition looks like a nice addition...
@gregpratt6926 A lot of people hate it,but a lot of people love it. I currently have 4 tractors that have it and only experienced one failure and it was totally my fault. I didn't have enough resistance. My first tractor to get switched to EI was in 2004 and still going strong. One thing I failed to mention in the video is changing the copper core plug wires
Just watched this video for the second time, my brother has a 58 8n that sat for a while and was already converted to 12v. It won't run when it gets hot, sooo, so this video explains alot !!! I'm an OK mechanic, so this helped me answer all the question- problems that we are having ! Going to redo it your way!! Thanks! You have no idea how simple you made this for me! Good day! Especially about the resistors, figured there was one in the alternator , Going with electronic ignition also!
Generally if they stop running after it gets hot the coil is the culprit.
@@Jason1Pa yes the coil was , hot to the touch. Maybe still 6v ? I'm just going to start from scratch?
@@stevehamman4465 It's fairly normal for a coil to get hot to the touch,but there is such a thing as too much.
A lot of the 12 volt coils being processed don't have enough windings in them. They are equivalent to a 6 volt. It is important to test any coil with a meter to see how much resistance it has. You may need to add a extra inline resistor. Generally a 12 volt coil will have around 3.0 ohms of resistance where as a 6 volt will be around 1.5 ohms. You can use a 6 volt coil with 12 volt battery but you would need to add a extra resistor.
@@Jason1Pa , Thanks ! This isn't a rush job. , it's to hot outside for this old timer! May have to pick your brain later on! Thanks for the information!, Good day!
@@Jason1Pa , when I was younger my father bought a used blue and grey diesel Ford, New Holland engine. 9n ?? 64 something?. 4 speed . It was burning oil , so was going to have it fixed , dude took it apart then said he couldn't find parts for it. This was 40yrs ago, so ?
Thank you Jason for this very informative video. I converted mine to 12 volt using the kit from just 8n's and also there was a guy on the forum I forget which 1 it was.maybe the 8n forum.( I have a 1948 8n by the way,) who pulled the guts out of his coil put an external coil and then ran the coil wire down through the old cap and soldered the secondary coil wire in place where the coil contacts the dist. cap and that's what I did and it works really good I have an external coil that I got from Napa with an internal resistor 12 volt and it really works good and I just wondered what I'd have to do to put the electronic in there I'm using the points and condenser right now so probably just the same thing I just have to solder or just put the The wire coming up from the electronic ignition system to where I placed the coil wire now and that would probably work ideal.🎚️🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🙏🚜🚜btw the old 8n whom I named " BUbba-Tom" starts@the first punch of the starter button after it's warmed up.
Glen
Yes,putting a external round coil is a good choice if you want to make your ignition system almost bullet proof. The square coils of today are just junk. I thought about getting the kit from Yesterday's Tractor at some point but for now I just keep a few extra coils on hand for the Fords. Sounds like you have the right idea when it comes to wiring up the EI just one thing I forgot to mention in the video you need to change the copper core spark plug wires to the modern suppression ones. The copper ones can create a electronic pulse that could damage the EI module.
@@Jason1Pa thank you Jason yeah I'm going to order those wires when I ordered the EI so yeah I read that part in there I guess another reader or viewer had seen that and asked about that so that's what I'm going to do I'm going to order it when I order the kit thank you Jason for what you do I'm going to tune into this I'm going to subscribe so you have a good good day bye 😉😉🎚️🇱🇷🇱🇷🙏🚜
@@glennwood1119 Sounds good thanks!
Your very good at teaching a pretend mechanic like me how to do it the right way. Thank you now I'm able to try it myself. At least I've got a video to keep me from messing up. A shad tree mechanic such as myself always ends up with a few extra parts at the end of the job. Lol.
I appreciate the kind words!! I don't consider myself the best teacher in the world but I give it my best. Good luck with your conversion!! And don't worry about those extra parts. Extra parts just shows you made it better!!😂 LOL
Great video, I really enjoyed it. Nice touch painting the alternator black. I've been on the fence about converting my 9N to 12V. It currently has a 3rd brush generator and I've had a few issues. I had to replace a cutout because it wouldn't close. I didn't notice for a while so the generator got really hot spinning with no load on it. With the new cutout it's charging but it's overcharging, I can't get it to charge any less than 9 amps on its lowest setting so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before it needs the generator rebuilt.
Dave M Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it. I can assure you at 9 amps you will cook that generator in a short amount of time. I generally don't like to go over 3 amps
I was afraid of that. Is this the kit that you used from just8N's - www.just8ns.com/8NE10300ALTC-Years-1939-50-12V-Conversion-Kit-Front-Mount-Dist? I like the alternator bracket you used.
Dave M Yes it is
Thanks Jason, I may have to come over to the 12V side.
Nice job sir!
Thanks
Great video , you did not mention polarity , did you leave it positive ground with the electronic ignition ?
Absolutely excellent conversion, workman ship first class. Any detractors are just jealous numb-sculls.
Hi Jason, your welcome. I liked the video so much I subscribed lol Ken
enjoyed the video
Thanks!!
Piney life Suggested your RUclips channel and I am here for your guidance. Thank you for your knowledge and expertise. And hello, from Romulus, Michigan.
Hello!! Thanks for stopping in and commenting! Hope you find a lot of my Ford videos helpful. Your not too far from the Henry Ford Museum and Village? I've been there a couple times. Along with the Michigan Speedway and Lake Michigan. Very beautiful state!
@Jason1Pa actually at 275/94 in romulus 12 miles w from Henry Ford Greenfield village the family and i go there about 3 times a year The tractor I picked up is about 1947 I cranked it over today just to see if it would it was in gear at moved, did not fire. Wire harness is a mess I would like to get it running. I need to find out if the block is good or not. Do you have a step 1 video? For a known tractor. Meaning I have no idea about this tractor
@@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674 You mean you want to try and figure out what model and year you have?
Top class video
Thank You I appreciate it!! Thanks for watching!
Very good job look very nice are used to drive one of them he has a go on a big vegetable farm we have five or six of them
Excellent video sir ! Thank you .. 47 .9N
Thank you!! Just a heads up if your serial number is saying 1947 you have a 2N not a 9N
@@Jason1Pa yes mines a 2N. .I'm dum on sundays. Lol
@@ernestmorales1023 But it's Monday? 😆
As always another great video watching you work is fun for me keep up the good work I would love to be there with you
Thanks so much William I really appreciate it!! I'm glad you are enjoying them.
@@Jason1Pa Have a happy Easter and next weekend I’m going to West Virginia to meet up with my ford 2N and my grandson Tucker
@williamgawel8467 Happy Easter to you too! Safe travels! Is your grandson named after the car by chance?
@@Jason1Pa no I don’t know where they got that name but that’s the grandson that I have around now he’s only one that I’ll make contact with so he’s going to get this Tractor when we get done and he’s gonna learn how to work on it so have a good day
Nice job
Boy I really know what you mean about the low quality import parts. It sure gets aggravating messing with that stuff. Especially when it goes down at the worst possible time. I had no idea electronic ignition was available, thats good to know, thanks :)
Gunters Garage The struggle it real man. LOL I am a 6 volt guy and took me years to convert but I am tired of breaking down. You'd be surprised you can get electronic ignition for just about everything these days.
I know what you mean. I like 6 volt and points for the cool factor. People are always “oh wow your still running 6v & points”. Its funny how some folks think its a big deal. If you can get good parts everthing works fine. Key word good parts, lol.
Nice👍👌
good video, thnx
Superb video
Thanks Ken!
Great video. Thanks
Thanks your welcome!
Thank you now I will change my 9n
Good luck!
Great video, very helpful! The generator tension bracket you removed do you still have it, I can’t seem to get one anywhere if you would be interested in selling?
Margaret Macdonald I'm sorry I keep all my old stuff in case I need it for another project or if I'd want to go back to the 6 volt system for whatever reason. Google John Smiths Ford page online and send him a email. He may have one or he knows other collectors that do.
What ohm coil and which wiring diagram did you use for rest of tractor? I'm very frustrated with my points and am just going to strip it all off and reinstall all new.
If you have a 12 volt system you want a coil with 3.0 ohms. If lower you'll want to add a extra resistor. Google JMAR wiring diagram for your particular model and set up. What issues are you having with the points. EI isn't always going to solve your problem especially if the distributer bushings are worn.
ok..tks again..will try.
Jason, I have a question, if you please.
The gasket for the coil - is it imperative? I ask this because I just changed the camshaft gear (it failed) and everything is back together again. I don't remember seeing this gasket when I disassembled everything. Now that I have it back together again (with no gasket), there is no spark. However, with my little test light, power is reaching the coil from the hot wire leading from the ignition switch. But, when I connect the wire from inside the distributor to the top of the coil with the hot wire, my test light goes dark.
Can you help me figure out what the problem is. This is so odd, and I am rather naive about electronics. If you can reply to me about this, I wil be grateful.
Thank you