yup :P I bet if I ask u in total silence to stop a stopwatch a dozen times on an exact time, it would probably be 0.03 seconds apart for multiple readings from that alone.
that would still not be a big enough sample size, plus human reaction time is arounf 0,2-0,3 seconds, that results in a 3-4% inaccuarcy. better would be to get an dummy weight, and track and let the computer messure it, then do 1000 with each bearing and take the averages to get an more accurate comparision.
human reaction time is reduced with expectation. When you know you have to do something, specially when you have a visual feedback (seeing the finish line) you can be a lot more precise than when you are not expecting and have to react.
Serina_The Swagillicious I did it with a downhill longboard and they were 100% ceramic bearings and one blew up on a slide and I destroyed my hand because I only had one glove at the time and it wrecked a 60$ set of wheels
For people who do want to learn something: Its true, abec doesnt matter for skating, and a lot of the chinese bearings put whatever number they want anyway. A quality Abec 3 is plenty good enough. You dont need "Skate" branded bearings or bearings from a skate shop. Skate branded bearings arent "designed for skating" they are literally just an industry standard 608 bearing. (With the exception of 6 balls; to my knowledge these are newish and the first bearing designed specific to skating). As long as you get quality stainless steel bearings with nylon cages and low friction removeable shield/s (for servicing) made in Japan/Germany/Switzerland and use a good lubricant you're going to have the equivalent to Bones Swiss, and if you get them from a bearings wholesaler it will probably cost less too. In saying that it is easier to just buy bones swiss and not too much more expensive. Bones reds are made in china; but they are better than majority of bearings coming out of China, they use decent quality stainless steel and quality control is good. Problem with most chinese bearings isnt the abec, but the grade of stainless steel tends to corrode quicker and deform easier, quality control is poor. They start out "fine" but within a short period the preapplied lubricant breaks down and everything goes down hill.
you should have gone down the hill several times and took an average for each set of bearings, and compared the averages. it would have made for a more accurate experiment.
Flipside which is why you do it 3+ times as consistently as you can to have an AVERAGE. Thats the point. He just rushed it to give an opinion for viewers who want validation when in reality its fine to trial and error what fits you.
I don't even bother with bones. They've marketed themselves great though cuz skateboarders pay that little extra for them. You can use real cheap bearings that are just as good for like five bucks.
Just posting to annoy tf outa dale again. 😂 don’t unlist it, delete it. It literally has no value and only makes the argument about reds vs Swiss more convoluted and unclear.
I have both bearings myself and my opinion is as follows: REDS are fine. I prefer the SWISS though because 1) they spin quieter 2) they have less play and hence they are quiter and 3) they come with those 8x10mm metal spacers that go between the bearings inside the wheel, which work magic, as you can tighten the truck bolts all the way and the wheels will still spin insanely long. I used to have SWISS back in the '80 and they are my go to bearings. They last forever no matter how old they are. If you are on a tight budget though, I suggest the REDS and upgarde them with a set of those spacers.
Also dude you couldve just timed how long they go for by having the different bearings on different ends of the same board by sliding it on ground and then holding it up (to be consistent in the initial velocities or frequencies of the wheels rotation), friction is a constant variable in both experiemnts and timing it would be less effort i think but now im feeling like im just choosing the boring option oki'llshutupnow.
I have a tip for ya, if your ever doing speed comparisons in the future, I think it would be smart to develop averages for both of them which means doing multiple tests and then making them into averages. Loved the video!
I have had the super swiss 6 for many years now...and I still remember that it took a while for them to break in. Initially they felt similar in speed, but smoother than reds. After they were broken in, super swiss 6 did get faster than reds. On top of that, the super swiss 6 will still clean up even after many years.
you should definitely try the Bronson g3 bearings. For me they have been lasting twice as long as bones Swiss bearings now, and I feel like they can easily go for another 2-3 months for sure!
Bro.... I appreciate the effort. But, the Swiss bearings are about smoothness, distance, longevity, durability and maintaining momentum. There won’t be a difference in speed with the test you just did. My bones super swiss 6 lasted me 10 years, and those ones are noticeably superior to any bearing I’ve ever had. There are so many confounding variables in this test that skew the results. I would put money on this: that you could do this test with any bearings at the skate shop really and they’d all finish in the same ballpark of time because science.
To get a more clear result of each bearing set, perform each experiment at least ten times per set (preferably 100 times), and take the the average time. As stated in the video, having another person or automated timing device would improve accuracy of the experiment, too. When performing any experiment, it is always important to remember to maintain integrity of the tests (i.e. starting at and running the exact same path; maintain the same mass on the board--yourself, a sandbag, etc.) Good test.
I would suggest doing a 20 times with each bearing to get a good average and to eliminate timer start/stop error since you are not going thru and trap. Wheel width and hardness will of course effect your speed much more than the bearings.
An easier explanation for abec is that it's just how precise the ball bearing is inside the race. Abec is just a rating for speed abec 9 may be rated for 150 mph while a skateboard won't go that fast. Also some bearings spin great just on the wheel but once your on it they won't be as smooth or have more resistance. Many people think bones is the way to go but there is many others out there just as good. Solid vid dale.
I have my regular bones reds bearings and bought speed cream for it. I’ve had these bearings for 9 years...and took a 7 year hiatus. So for about a year-a year in a half when I scared religiously I used these and then left the bearings in and put my skateboard away for that 7 ish years. Hopped back on my board recently and my bearings are still wonderful.
I've been using oust for 3 years now, really good bearings. Fast and smooth. I also have a set of super swiss 6s. What is cool anoit bones is that they have replacement parts for your bearings, like if a shield or crown breaks you can replace those rather than buy a whole new set of bearings.
I was a machinist for a few years, and the purpose for tolerance, is specifically for the accuracy of the parts moving together and the longevity of that fit, which is known as "fit to finish". Even when lubricated, metal on metal components experience wear from friction and heat, and coupled with the heat generated with that friction, they lose material which translates to the size tolerance increasing. If the components have a tolerance of +/- .006, that's the thickness of 6 sheets of paper that is allowed on either side of the exact measurement desired. If the components fail when they reach a tolerance of +/- .010, that's the thickness of 4 sheets of paper they have to wear before failing. Components with less tolerance, such as +/- .001, of course are going to maintain that tighter fit longer because they have more room to wear. Bottom line is, ABEC rating really only applies to how long the bearing set will last...the higher the ABEC, the longer they will last. Bones isnt putting the ABEC on their product because ppl dont understand the tolerance rating and make assumptions, in turn, will buy other bearings. My guess is, that for aggressive skating, ABEC 5 would last about as long as higher rated ones because of the extreme conditions tricks put on the wheels crashing down, which will cause flat spots on the bearings and blemishes in the bearing track. The ABEC rating would be far more applicable in sports like downhill longboard, where speed and heat wear are huge factors, that could cause a lower tolerance bearing to wear and lock up in the middle of an 80mph ride, ceasing up, and injuring the rider.
Loved the original Swiss'. I had both Reds and Swiss, and from my experience, Swiss lasted longer and were faster. I had to keep pushing with Reds, but with Swiss, one push and I'm rolling for a full minute. I took care of both of them (cleaned, lubed, etc.) and Swiss was the better choice.
TheHuskyK9 this. Had like one set of Swiss in like 05 or 06 and liked them, but now that they’re like 60$ I’ll never buy them again. Reds were fine and are still the same price they were 15 years ago sooooo reds it is
honestly, ceramics are the way to go if you want to fast. ceramics accelerate faster and keep speed faster and don't rust as easily. or break as easily. so no more steel bearings!
No they would wear out quicker since they are harder than the outer and inner of the bearings and the only positive is speed and it can last to up to 500 degrees which I’m sure no one would ever be skating in so your only left with the downside which is them getting wrecked quicker and u spending more money
There seems to be some major marketing hype going on with skate bearings. Fact is, even the most stock standard 608 bearing is waaaaaaay overkill for a skateboard. They’re designed to handle loads that no skater would ever be able to even come close to throwing at them! They’re designed to be used in industrial machinery and power tools etc, running in excess of 20,000rpm under massive radial loads. That’s probably why it’s better to use a thin lubricant for skating, because on a skateboard they’d never be doing enough work to get normal bearing lubricants running within the operating conditions that they start to become useful. There’s just no way anyone would genuinely be able to perceive a quantifiable difference in performance between a bearing from a skate company, and a stock standard NSK or the like. Especially in speed. There’s too many other factors that could effect the outcome, like how tight the nuts are, whether or not the washers are all the same size, yada, yada, yada... Anyway, I don’t mean to sound like a whining prick. I just think you guys are getting ripped off here!
For sure. Install the bearings with the proper washers and spacers. Put an appropriate lubricant in; lighter lubes will be faster but will be expelled quicker/let dirt in compared to a heavier ones so you have to compromise on maintainence or speed. Put bigger wheels on. Even just learn to push better. All these things independently will make a bigger difference than upgrading from a cheap china bearing to the fanciest bones swiss you can buy. The better bearings typically just use better quality materials so they last longer. If you go to a bearing store and buy a japanese/german/swiss made stainless steel, nylon cage 608 bearing with contactless sheilds and put a good lubricant in you effectively have bones swiss for less money.
Things were so much simpler back in 88-97, either NMB or NSK and if you had lots of money..GERMAN/GKN or POWELL/SWISS! Rollerblading started the ABEC-war from the early-mid 90, skateboarding jumped on the band wagon late 90s.
Fidget spinners don’t have oil in them & the bearings in those are loose & rattle! Check out a video of someone trying to skate with fidget spinner bearings
I have a pair of Bones Swiss that are between 9 - 10 years old that have seen everything from rain to blizzards and being left into piles of snow for weeks. they have never been cleaned , wiped. etc.. and they still spin like new!
Spacers increase longevity by decreasing deflection from squeezing the inner races. Running Reds loose will make them faster and last longer. No spacer gives a better sound though.
I remember back in the day i would ride reds and be okay but one day a friend saved up and got some swiss and they were impossible for me to get used to
Interesting , I did a similar test using 2 unknown brands in 2 different wheels 1 80 mm and other 57 mm over 500 meter slope both same hardness. In crouch position to reduce wind resistance. Result both 25 kph . Tested with GPS. Everything falls at same rate no matter the mass. Its just some things get in the way like friction.
For regular reds (I live in Australia) at my local skate shop cost 50 dollars! There not the super reds or the reds racers! And for the ceramic ones it’s 200 dollars! I’m going on holiday soon and at the skate shop near my hotel they cost 28. Still expensive but much better.
The major thing missing from this video is QUALITY. This video kills me because of that. I used bones reds pretty much 24/7 when I was young and they would explode, tear, break, etc. after a week of heavy use, sometimes days. Then, I started working at a skate shop, upgraded to a set of Bones Swiss and they are still in my short board after 14 years. Mind you, I've been through dozens of decks since then.
Niño Rattaa. Thank you Captain Obvious or should I say no shit Sherlock! Keep up on your math Mr. Wizard. The only people that think that bearings don't vary in difference are the people that have never spent the money to find out because the 6 Ball are by far the best. They were the last ones I ever had to get
Lower abecs are more suitable for tricks and jumps as it has lower tolerance and stronger, higher abecs are more suitable for cruising. I've looked into this quite a bit during my 15yrs of skating.
ZyZy S Actually Swiss bearings aren’t as durable but they spin faster but reds are way more durable so if you’re looking for speed get Swiss if you are looking for durability get reds if you want something in the middle get broncos
@@AgencyGum wrong. Reds are made in china; effectively the same design but lesser quality materials; so they do not last as long as swiss do. OP is right, swiss arent notably faster theyre just better quality all round.
I'm an 47 year old skater. I am a slide and wheelie master. Bones Swiss hands down are the best bearings in my opinion. I did break a lot of them over the years, but I also have some that have lasted for years and still spin unlike any other bearings. I was hard on my wheels with high speed street slides and big impacts on core sized wheels from big ollies off curbs and launch ramps. Out of all my bearings to date the ones that still spin best out of 40 bearings are the bones swiss. They were 20 dollars back in my day and regular bearings were 8 dollars. Now, I don't know if these are made different today, but back then they were not sealed and they dried out rather quickly. You had to maintain them (or they would break) by just using a few drops of light oil. Also, you want to use spacers that fit perfectly with your wheels and bearings. Again, hands down if you want speed at cruising long distance or on halfpipes Bones Swiss are the best. My bearings that are 20 years old free spin 7-8 times longer.
I’ve had bones Swiss for 8 or 9 years. Been through rain sand and they’re still the fastest bearing I’ve ever used. Got andale abec 7’s and they broke in a week. 😂
Surely Swiss are capable of going faster though it's just without much momentum it will be hard to see a difference as both bearings are decent and properly lubricated. Get out a bungee chord or something and the Swiss would go faster or at least maintain speed for longer right?
Hey stupid question but could i use REDS or BONES for my Downhill longboard? Sorry if its an obvious question but I’m new into this i have never ever build my own board from scratch so I’m looking for suggestions
my buddy rode reds alot and he hand me downed a set and they was great compared to whatever crap I was skating this was in 98 what off brand had the "Parental Advisory bearings?
Actually there’s a bunch of rambling from 0-530 that requires enormous amounts of IQ. Must digest this info to become final boss skater with cuffs on his beanies and pants.
Bones RED line is made in China. Bones Swiss Line is made in Swiss They have always the same type of bearungs in both lines The swiss line should be better in quality.
As a bio major who does experiments, the best way to do this would be to do multiple (possibly into the hundreds) of trials with each set of bearings. Then you want to get rid of outliers (for instance, if you are regularly coming up with 6.5sec, and you get 8.45sec - which is 30% greater than the 6.5sec, that is an outlier). After getting rid of outliers, find the average time for each bearing. If they are more than 5% different, then you can assume there is a significant difference between them.
This topic seems to be purely preference for people, but my 2 cents is that Bones Swiss are definitely worth it for cruisers, as I've managed to make 1 set of them last on my cruiser setup for 8 years with proper upkeep. My buddy cruised and had to swap his Reds out about every year and a half. I usually skate Reds on my street deck, but I'm trying the Swiss in that one now, to see how long the last
I spend $20 on bearings, I ride the Hard Luck 6 ball ones because they feel a broken in bearing right out of the box. also I don't feel like they get as sluggish over time because there is less friction in general in a 6 ball design.
I tried different lubricants and came to understand, that that makes a difference. Engine oil is really slow. WD40... not really fast. Silicone spray is really fast, but I'll still have to find out how long the bearing will last with it - using Amphetamine Ceramix Silver. Btw, little difference to steel bearings, probably makes sense for downhill/hispeed. Other factors, like contact width, durometer, lubrication definately! They may make more of a difference.
I'm getting back into skateboard Anita buy the whole Set up Is there a difference between the bone swisses And the $160 ones and the $90 ones question The ones are $60 Do they go faster The Once he used
Dale, please permit me clarify one important thing regarding the ABEC rating... The ABEC rating refers to the tolerances of the inner diameter of the hole that the truck axle goes through. ABEC does not refer in any way to the tolerances or performance of parts that contribute to the smoothness or fastness of roll (i.e. the ball bearings themselves, or the inner or outer races.) Again, the ABEC rating only specifies how much plus or minus manufacturing error is allowed around the 8mm inner diameter truck axle hole. The basis of the rumor (which is true) that the ABEC doesn't matter is that the tolerance of the steel extrusions for the truck axles themselves are looser than the minimum standard that virtually every bearing manufactures allows, even for the low-end industrial high volume bearings. In other words... The people who make the pegs are always sloppier than the people who make the holes...even among the sloppiest hole guys. So having a super precise hole (i.e. higher ABEC rating) quite literally doesn't matter at all. TLDR; ABEC doesn't matter. Read above for details.
There's a lot of comments just to be clear I haven't read any of them. Just wanted to put my two cents in on bearings. The tighter the tolerance the quieter the bearing is during spinning the quieter the bearing the smoother it rolls and the lower the friction. This translates to less energy required to spin. So the farther it will roll per energy put into the motion of the bearing. The harder the bearing is the longer it will last compared to bearings of the same tolerances. However the harder the material is in the bearing the less impact it can take as in general due to shattering rather then deformation. This is all of course metallurgical properties of the steels used in the bearing. Some bearings use ceramics instead of steel unfortunately I don't know how that material behaves in application because I haven't worked with it.
Hi Dale. Microseconds are technically a thing whereas in the metrics system a micro gram, liter, etc. can be measured by 1x10^(-9) of a kilo... So a microsecond would likely be referring to 1×10^(9) of a second!
I remember going to buy a board with my dad he said "just pick out whatever you want" I came back with them bone Swiss bearings he nearly had a heart attack and I had to put him back. "Kid knows his stuff" cashier said haha
ABEC is a standard of tolerance. The higher the ABEC rating, the tighter the tolerances of the bore and outer diameter. What does this mean? Basically, the outer diameter and bore are machined more exactly so that they fit onto machinery more accurately. Do I need high ABEC rated bearings for my board? No, the axles on your trucks are not machined to very tight tolerances and you are putting the bearing inside a plastic hub on the wheel so outer diameter tolerance doesn't matter. Simply put, the ABEC rating IS NOT A RATING OF HOW FAST YOUR BEARINGS WILL SPIN. ABEC is a machining tolerance rating so that manufacturers can ensure that the bearing will fit in a machine.
God, what a stupid video.
Nah 🅱
Dale Decker odd for you to leave a comment a year later but ok.
“ HOW POSERS SET UP THEIR BOARD”
“HOW POSERS GO TO ZUMIEZ”
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yup :P I bet if I ask u in total silence to stop a stopwatch a dozen times on an exact time, it would probably be 0.03 seconds apart for multiple readings from that alone.
yeah we know
Longevity doesn't matter when you can buy 4 sets of reds for the same price as 1 set of swiss
was gonna say the same thing
but think about not having to keep switching bearings. that sucks. and buying them if u don't buy them all at once. plus swiss is way faster.
justinight it's not hard to switch bearings and it takes little effort to clean them
And we just saw how swiss was NOT way faster. Not any faster actually.
Max no you can't.
you should have repeated each test 3 times and got the average times of the 3 tests then compared times
this guy listens in science
damn straight bud. I was about to comment that but I had faith someone said it first
that would still not be a big enough sample size, plus human reaction time is arounf 0,2-0,3 seconds, that results in a 3-4% inaccuarcy. better would be to get an dummy weight, and track and let the computer messure it, then do 1000 with each bearing and take the averages to get an more accurate comparision.
whatever tralala
wtf
human reaction time is reduced with expectation. When you know you have to do something, specially when you have a visual feedback (seeing the finish line) you can be a lot more precise than when you are not expecting and have to react.
I used the bearings of my fidget spinner.
Joey Crawford u can do that??dam imma try
Serina_The Swagillicious I did it with a downhill longboard and they were 100% ceramic bearings and one blew up on a slide and I destroyed my hand because I only had one glove at the time and it wrecked a 60$ set of wheels
Joey Crawford wtf that is the stupidest use for the most expensive bearings on the market
Maddox Marshall reading comprehension
Joey Crawford that's what I just was thinking lol wonder what they are
Long story short, we learned absolutely nothing.
That is correct
Dale Decker 69th like nice
I learned what ABEC stands for
@@daledecker liked the video cuz ur comment lmfao respect a dude that deosnt bs defend nothing
For people who do want to learn something:
Its true, abec doesnt matter for skating, and a lot of the chinese bearings put whatever number they want anyway. A quality Abec 3 is plenty good enough.
You dont need "Skate" branded bearings or bearings from a skate shop. Skate branded bearings arent "designed for skating" they are literally just an industry standard 608 bearing.
(With the exception of 6 balls; to my knowledge these are newish and the first bearing designed specific to skating).
As long as you get quality stainless steel bearings with nylon cages and low friction removeable shield/s (for servicing) made in Japan/Germany/Switzerland and use a good lubricant you're going to have the equivalent to Bones Swiss, and if you get them from a bearings wholesaler it will probably cost less too.
In saying that it is easier to just buy bones swiss and not too much more expensive.
Bones reds are made in china; but they are better than majority of bearings coming out of China, they use decent quality stainless steel and quality control is good. Problem with most chinese bearings isnt the abec, but the grade of stainless steel tends to corrode quicker and deform easier, quality control is poor. They start out "fine" but within a short period the preapplied lubricant breaks down and everything goes down hill.
I feel like my bearings are almost TOO good... I poke the damn board and it blasts off into space.
What bearings do u use
@@brianvilleda27 bones blues
@@g7ost0p they have bluez???
@@shmokeythefatcat idk lol i was just making a joke, you could definitely get blue covers for your bearings tho
@@g7ost0p u know whats sad. They actually make bones blues
testing starts at 6:47
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Lolol
Thank you so much he talks WAY TOO MUCH
SteezyFrancisco damn its like that? Lol
Literally... is this guy on drugs? Keeps saying he's gonna "put the bearings in his board now" and then rambles forever.
You have a video camera. That's essentially a precision timing device. Just measure the frames between drop-in and finish line. Boom. Accurate.
John King exactly what I was thinking
Ikr
you should have gone down the hill several times and took an average for each set of bearings, and compared the averages. it would have made for a more accurate experiment.
Exactly what I was thinking..
All the smart kids comment this
There's still the human variable left in the test which still can skew the results quite a bit.
Flipside which is why you do it 3+ times as consistently as you can to have an AVERAGE. Thats the point. He just rushed it to give an opinion for viewers who want validation when in reality its fine to trial and error what fits you.
Guys it’s fucking skateboard bearing does it really matter that much
I always thought ABEC was a brand name.
Abec11 is a brand... actually really clever marketing choosing that name...
Lol
“Damn ABEC is really popular.”
craig phillips I thought the Abec Number was the amount of balls in the baring
Same
I don't care about about how fast they go I'm broke so 15 bones reds is good for me just keep em oiled and clean em every once in a while
Amen brother. Bones reds gets my broke ass flying
man I really need to unlist this video
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I don't even bother with bones. They've marketed themselves great though cuz skateboarders pay that little extra for them. You can use real cheap bearings that are just as good for like five bucks.
Just posting to annoy tf outa dale again. 😂 don’t unlist it, delete it. It literally has no value and only makes the argument about reds vs Swiss more convoluted and unclear.
You could have saved time by doing front wheels swiss and back wheels reds and just manual
Wanye Kest lmao wtf 😂
Lollery!
manuals wont be as exact and they would be harder.
This comment is underrated.
savage ass shit
"the bones are a little bit faster" thanks but... WICH ONES
Yes
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@Cody Stout nah most definitely the og ones!
MedievalShadows he said the Swiss y’all must be hella slow
@@mahdrasool6115 lol take a joke
I have both bearings myself and my opinion is as follows: REDS are fine. I prefer the SWISS though because 1) they spin quieter 2) they have less play and hence they are quiter and 3) they come with those 8x10mm metal spacers that go between the bearings inside the wheel, which work magic, as you can tighten the truck bolts all the way and the wheels will still spin insanely long. I used to have SWISS back in the '80 and they are my go to bearings. They last forever no matter how old they are. If you are on a tight budget though, I suggest the REDS and upgarde them with a set of those spacers.
Always skated bones red and when started working at zumies I stole some bones swiss
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These are the same exact bearings, just one is made is Switzerland.
this is the lest scientific test iv ever seen and is a complete waste of time
steve this is the least grammatical correct comment I have ever seen
@@TDFMarkGochev lol, I was gonna say thay
@@TDFMarkGochev says the guy who forgot to end his sentence with proper punctuation !? 🤣😂😅😆😉
Lightning #2 oh I didn’t realize you were going to say “thay.”
@@rv_jumpshotz1139 XD *that
Im eating a milky way right now.
Also dude you couldve just timed how long they go for by having the different bearings on different ends of the same board by sliding it on ground and then holding it up (to be consistent in the initial velocities or frequencies of the wheels rotation), friction is a constant variable in both experiemnts and timing it would be less effort i think but now im feeling like im just choosing the boring option oki'llshutupnow.
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Those strawberry milky ways are the shit
I'm eating Maltesers
I haven't had a milky way in like 2 years
Would have been interesting to see which bearing rolled further. I dont believe the swiss are necessarily FASTER but they will coast longer
Exactly. Asking the real questions.
Which makes you faster, less pushing/higher average speed if there’s less friction/resistance
Deadass every setup with Swiss you gotta keep an eye on it'll roll away on its own haha
I have a tip for ya, if your ever doing speed comparisons in the future, I think it would be smart to develop averages for both of them which means doing multiple tests and then making them into averages. Loved the video!
I have had the super swiss 6 for many years now...and I still remember that it took a while for them to break in. Initially they felt similar in speed, but smoother than reds. After they were broken in, super swiss 6 did get faster than reds.
On top of that, the super swiss 6 will still clean up even after many years.
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you should definitely try the Bronson g3 bearings. For me they have been lasting twice as long as bones Swiss bearings now, and I feel like they can easily go for another 2-3 months for sure!
You should've also done a test to see which ones go further
+Dachi Bruh I know I realize that after it was up. I'm curious to know if the differences are as subtle as some think.
Dale you should do a pt 2 to this video using this method! :)
@Dale Decker subtle in performance. Different in longevity. Also your lubricant matters as how easy/fast/long they roll
Bro.... I appreciate the effort. But, the Swiss bearings are about smoothness, distance, longevity, durability and maintaining momentum. There won’t be a difference in speed with the test you just did. My bones super swiss 6 lasted me 10 years, and those ones are noticeably superior to any bearing I’ve ever had.
There are so many confounding variables in this test that skew the results. I would put money on this: that you could do this test with any bearings at the skate shop really and they’d all finish in the same ballpark of time because science.
To get a more clear result of each bearing set, perform each experiment at least ten times per set (preferably 100 times), and take the the average time. As stated in the video, having another person or automated timing device would improve accuracy of the experiment, too. When performing any experiment, it is always important to remember to maintain integrity of the tests (i.e. starting at and running the exact same path; maintain the same mass on the board--yourself, a sandbag, etc.) Good test.
Dale, I've been meaning to ask.... who is the one??
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Yugioh7272 Gaming Its supposed to be, "by any means his enemines my enemies we wet them up like a canteen.
like, in my country bones reds are actually really fucking expensive
can't even imagine how much would swiss cost
fcuk! here it costs almost 30 dollas for a pack.
shaggy I'm from Australia and got Swiss for $20
In Europe they cost 25 Euros in a skateshop and 15 over Amazon. As they are imported there are huge differences in time
Jon Snow where from??
vid starts at 6:48
...at which point you realise it's a pretty wobbly test :)
I would suggest doing a 20 times with each bearing to get a good average and to eliminate timer start/stop error since you are not going thru and trap. Wheel width and hardness will of course effect your speed much more than the bearings.
Here in Brazil, Red Bones are the most expensive bearings, after this video i searched how much costs the swiss and omg, costs my hole entire setup
An easier explanation for abec is that it's just how precise the ball bearing is inside the race. Abec is just a rating for speed abec 9 may be rated for 150 mph while a skateboard won't go that fast. Also some bearings spin great just on the wheel but once your on it they won't be as smooth or have more resistance. Many people think bones is the way to go but there is many others out there just as good. Solid vid dale.
I have my regular bones reds bearings and bought speed cream for it. I’ve had these bearings for 9 years...and took a 7 year hiatus. So for about a year-a year in a half when I scared religiously I used these and then left the bearings in and put my skateboard away for that 7 ish years. Hopped back on my board recently and my bearings are still wonderful.
I've been using oust for 3 years now, really good bearings. Fast and smooth. I also have a set of super swiss 6s. What is cool anoit bones is that they have replacement parts for your bearings, like if a shield or crown breaks you can replace those rather than buy a whole new set of bearings.
I was a machinist for a few years, and the purpose for tolerance, is specifically for the accuracy of the parts moving together and the longevity of that fit, which is known as "fit to finish". Even when lubricated, metal on metal components experience wear from friction and heat, and coupled with the heat generated with that friction, they lose material which translates to the size tolerance increasing. If the components have a tolerance of +/- .006, that's the thickness of 6 sheets of paper that is allowed on either side of the exact measurement desired. If the components fail when they reach a tolerance of +/- .010, that's the thickness of 4 sheets of paper they have to wear before failing. Components with less tolerance, such as +/- .001, of course are going to maintain that tighter fit longer because they have more room to wear. Bottom line is, ABEC rating really only applies to how long the bearing set will last...the higher the ABEC, the longer they will last. Bones isnt putting the ABEC on their product because ppl dont understand the tolerance rating and make assumptions, in turn, will buy other bearings. My guess is, that for aggressive skating, ABEC 5 would last about as long as higher rated ones because of the extreme conditions tricks put on the wheels crashing down, which will cause flat spots on the bearings and blemishes in the bearing track. The ABEC rating would be far more applicable in sports like downhill longboard, where speed and heat wear are huge factors, that could cause a lower tolerance bearing to wear and lock up in the middle of an 80mph ride, ceasing up, and injuring the rider.
Loved the original Swiss'. I had both Reds and Swiss, and from my experience, Swiss lasted longer and were faster. I had to keep pushing with Reds, but with Swiss, one push and I'm rolling for a full minute. I took care of both of them (cleaned, lubed, etc.) and Swiss was the better choice.
TheHuskyK9 this. Had like one set of Swiss in like 05 or 06 and liked them, but now that they’re like 60$ I’ll never buy them again. Reds were fine and are still the same price they were 15 years ago sooooo reds it is
@@ImSoOld2007 how much did they use to cost?
Day n Knight like 30$
@@daynknight6654They were 36 bucks back in 2002.
honestly, ceramics are the way to go if you want to fast. ceramics accelerate faster and keep speed faster and don't rust as easily. or break as easily. so no more steel bearings!
mushlove Accelerate faster? What the fuck is that, an engine?
Reckless Rickey go to school
Factsss
No they would wear out quicker since they are harder than the outer and inner of the bearings and the only positive is speed and it can last to up to 500 degrees which I’m sure no one would ever be skating in so your only left with the downside which is them getting wrecked quicker and u spending more money
@@SosaSenseCheemzZ yup
Ive been skating for 11 years and ive always used minilogos bearings theyre fine and ive never cared what abec they had
I think you should have gone down 3 times for each set of bearings and found the average so it’s a bit more accurate
There seems to be some major marketing hype going on with skate bearings. Fact is, even the most stock standard 608 bearing is waaaaaaay overkill for a skateboard. They’re designed to handle loads that no skater would ever be able to even come close to throwing at them!
They’re designed to be used in industrial machinery and power tools etc, running in excess of 20,000rpm under massive radial loads. That’s probably why it’s better to use a thin lubricant for skating, because on a skateboard they’d never be doing enough work to get normal bearing lubricants running within the operating conditions that they start to become useful.
There’s just no way anyone would genuinely be able to perceive a quantifiable difference in performance between a bearing from a skate company, and a stock standard NSK or the like. Especially in speed. There’s too many other factors that could effect the outcome, like how tight the nuts are, whether or not the washers are all the same size, yada, yada, yada...
Anyway, I don’t mean to sound like a whining prick. I just think you guys are getting ripped off here!
For sure.
Install the bearings with the proper washers and spacers.
Put an appropriate lubricant in; lighter lubes will be faster but will be expelled quicker/let dirt in compared to a heavier ones so you have to compromise on maintainence or speed.
Put bigger wheels on.
Even just learn to push better.
All these things independently will make a bigger difference than upgrading from a cheap china bearing to the fanciest bones swiss you can buy.
The better bearings typically just use better quality materials so they last longer.
If you go to a bearing store and buy a japanese/german/swiss made stainless steel, nylon cage 608 bearing with contactless sheilds and put a good lubricant in you effectively have bones swiss for less money.
I remember getting in to these debates back in the early 90’s. Good to see this guy talking about the myth involved in the debate.
Things were so much simpler back in 88-97, either NMB or NSK and if you had lots of money..GERMAN/GKN or POWELL/SWISS!
Rollerblading started the ABEC-war from the early-mid 90, skateboarding jumped on the band wagon late 90s.
Imagine popping those in your fidget spinner
No one has used fidget spinners since 2017
Fidget spinners don’t have oil in them & the bearings in those are loose & rattle! Check out a video of someone trying to skate with fidget spinner bearings
@@HeadNtheClouds fidget spinners do have oil in them. They are made out of polyurethane, made from oil.
Ayesp Just save your time, his name is Hype Toy Reviews and he has a fortnite pfp
@@mdawsonh wow you are so down bad in the youtube comments bahahaah, my name is to piss you off lol...
You know what made the experiment not valid? TESTING IT BOTH ONLY ONCE
TacoKat he didn’t
Like to see a 3 month test of each one. Since swiss take at least a month to break in the quickest.
I have a pair of Bones Swiss that are between 9 - 10 years old that have seen everything from rain to blizzards and being left into piles of snow for weeks. they have never been cleaned , wiped. etc.. and they still spin like new!
Spacers increase longevity by decreasing deflection from squeezing the inner races. Running Reds loose will make them faster and last longer. No spacer gives a better sound though.
Bones Reds are 28$ in Canada now. I always just buy the cheapest bearings I can find.
In oroville cali at zumies they were like 5
@@Derpis03 As of this moment, Zumiez Canada is selling the box of 8 for $24.95 Canadian. That's $19.01 American.
I remember back in the day i would ride reds and be okay but one day a friend saved up and got some swiss and they were impossible for me to get used to
Por que? Entonces si son mejores los bones?
Dale daddy dope vids all the time. always watchin right as you upload your vids keep me rippin and dippin lol.
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Phil Schultz tried what...
Interesting , I did a similar test using 2 unknown brands in 2 different wheels 1 80 mm and other 57 mm over 500 meter slope both same hardness. In crouch position to reduce wind resistance. Result both 25 kph . Tested with GPS. Everything falls at same rate no matter the mass. Its just some things get in the way like friction.
Well done my friend
For regular reds (I live in Australia) at my local skate shop cost 50 dollars! There not the super reds or the reds racers! And for the ceramic ones it’s 200 dollars! I’m going on holiday soon and at the skate shop near my hotel they cost 28. Still expensive but much better.
should've timed each set atleast 5 times to compare an average time.
7:42 Microseconds are a thing! Micro just means a millionth, represented by this symbol: μ
I have the Bronsons and I say they're speedy.
Just bought my first deck(Anime Primivite) and the Reds bearings! Boutta slap them bad boys on hopefully they goated.
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The major thing missing from this video is QUALITY. This video kills me because of that.
I used bones reds pretty much 24/7 when I was young and they would explode, tear, break, etc. after a week of heavy use, sometimes days.
Then, I started working at a skate shop, upgraded to a set of Bones Swiss and they are still in my short board after 14 years. Mind you, I've been through dozens of decks since then.
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CAPTAIN HERE: $15 SKATEBOARD BEARINGS COSTS 45 DOLLARS LESS THAN THE $60 SKATEBOARD BEARINGS
Niño Rattaa. Thank you Captain Obvious or should I say no shit Sherlock! Keep up on your math Mr. Wizard. The only people that think that bearings don't vary in difference are the people that have never spent the money to find out because the 6 Ball are by far the best. They were the last ones I ever had to get
youre welcome pal, i have a degree in doing random and anonymous comments in youtube... u can always trust me ;)
I´ve been skating SKF bearings, They´re an industrial bearing producer but they also sell SKF reds. Really great high accuracy bearings.
Lower abecs are more suitable for tricks and jumps as it has lower tolerance and stronger, higher abecs are more suitable for cruising. I've looked into this quite a bit during my 15yrs of skating.
This has been sitting here for a year but I think you mean "higher tolerance"...
i never believed bearings got better than reds until i got some bones swiss. they really are a much superior product.
When they told me that they were $60 at zumiez, I was like, poop thats my college funds.
i think your just paying for the material and the durability. i dont think speed is any different. swiss probably just last longer
ZyZy S Actually Swiss bearings aren’t as durable but they spin faster but reds are way more durable so if you’re looking for speed get Swiss if you are looking for durability get reds if you want something in the middle get broncos
@@AgencyGum says who?
@@AgencyGum wrong. Reds are made in china; effectively the same design but lesser quality materials; so they do not last as long as swiss do. OP is right, swiss arent notably faster theyre just better quality all round.
Aerodynamics will factor in more so then the coefficient of friction of the bearings
I'm an 47 year old skater. I am a slide and wheelie master. Bones Swiss hands down are the best bearings in my opinion. I did break a lot of them over the years, but I also have some that have lasted for years and still spin unlike any other bearings. I was hard on my wheels with high speed street slides and big impacts on core sized wheels from big ollies off curbs and launch ramps. Out of all my bearings to date the ones that still spin best out of 40 bearings are the bones swiss. They were 20 dollars back in my day and regular bearings were 8 dollars. Now, I don't know if these are made different today, but back then they were not sealed and they dried out rather quickly. You had to maintain them (or they would break) by just using a few drops of light oil. Also, you want to use spacers that fit perfectly with your wheels and bearings. Again, hands down if you want speed at cruising long distance or on halfpipes Bones Swiss are the best. My bearings that are 20 years old free spin 7-8 times longer.
Sadly he didn’t break in the bearings already so the time wouldn’t even matter
I just talked about bearings and your video just popped up.
your phone is listening
if your really struggling to get bearings. steal a kids fidget spinner
I’ve had bones Swiss for 8 or 9 years. Been through rain sand and they’re still the fastest bearing I’ve ever used. Got andale abec 7’s and they broke in a week. 😂
Jaay same here bro😂
Sand?
Roblox Warrior 5 yeah there’s this stair set at the beach and after the landing it goes into sand
Surely Swiss are capable of going faster though it's just without much momentum it will be hard to see a difference as both bearings are decent and properly lubricated. Get out a bungee chord or something and the Swiss would go faster or at least maintain speed for longer right?
I’ve had my reds for 4 years and they are just fine
I bet you won't put all the oreos you've eaten on your channel in a montage
+LandShark 11 omg that's genius
Dale Decker honestly put all beanies you have on the floor and show us. i swear every video its a fifferent beanie 😂
Bro if I had teeth like yours I'd smile everywhere I go no homo
Hey stupid question but could i use REDS or BONES for my Downhill longboard? Sorry if its an obvious question but I’m new into this i have never ever build my own board from scratch so I’m looking for suggestions
my buddy rode reds alot and he hand me downed a set and they was great compared to whatever crap I was skating this was in 98 what off brand had the "Parental Advisory bearings?
SPEED METAL !!!
I bought those “15” dollar bearings for 38 at my local zumies.
stop going to zumies
Zombies go to zumiez !?!?
So did I
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Ouch. Are you sure they weren't the Super Reds? Even then, they should have been cheaper.
Video starts at 5:30
Actually there’s a bunch of rambling from 0-530 that requires enormous amounts of IQ. Must digest this info to become final boss skater with cuffs on his beanies and pants.
Fair enough mate
I use bones Swisse that I got brand new off eBay for $15usd and they have last me a year
M HAFILMZ thoss are counterfeit bro
Jerome Gonzalez nah they're definitely not
dude they cost more to make bones swiss beaeing than 20$ look at bones swiss 0ubluc announcement
They were actually $25 usd
M HAFILMZ Lmao they're definitely fake dude.
Bones RED line is made in China. Bones Swiss Line is made in Swiss
They have always the same type of bearungs in both lines
The swiss line should be better in quality.
As a bio major who does experiments, the best way to do this would be to do multiple (possibly into the hundreds) of trials with each set of bearings. Then you want to get rid of outliers (for instance, if you are regularly coming up with 6.5sec, and you get 8.45sec - which is 30% greater than the 6.5sec, that is an outlier).
After getting rid of outliers, find the average time for each bearing.
If they are more than 5% different, then you can assume there is a significant difference between them.
I have REDS they are good 👍
God damn this video cost daddy 75 dollars
tooooooo much talking and talking.
Gotta get the video over 10 mins for monetization broooo
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This topic seems to be purely preference for people, but my 2 cents is that Bones Swiss are definitely worth it for cruisers, as I've managed to make 1 set of them last on my cruiser setup for 8 years with proper upkeep. My buddy cruised and had to swap his Reds out about every year and a half. I usually skate Reds on my street deck, but I'm trying the Swiss in that one now, to see how long the last
I spend $20 on bearings, I ride the Hard Luck 6 ball ones because they feel a broken in bearing right out of the box. also I don't feel like they get as sluggish over time because there is less friction in general in a 6 ball design.
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my walmart sells bones reds for 15$ should I get them I ruined my bearings with sand and water also they are the metal seal ones
They definitely make a difference for longboarding. Timed two of my runs and my ceramic Old Boys went about 15% faster than my Reds.
I tried different lubricants and came to understand, that that makes a difference. Engine oil is really slow. WD40... not really fast. Silicone spray is really fast, but I'll still have to find out how long the bearing will last with it - using Amphetamine Ceramix Silver. Btw, little difference to steel bearings, probably makes sense for downhill/hispeed. Other factors, like contact width, durometer, lubrication definately! They may make more of a difference.
I'm getting back into skateboard Anita buy the whole Set up Is there a difference between the bone swisses And the $160 ones and the $90 ones question The ones are $60 Do they go faster The Once he used
I think the difference is the swiss are ceramic and ceramic bearings wont heat up as fast as metal bearings which will make you get less speed wobbles
Dale, please permit me clarify one important thing regarding the ABEC rating... The ABEC rating refers to the tolerances of the inner diameter of the hole that the truck axle goes through.
ABEC does not refer in any way to the tolerances or performance of parts that contribute to the smoothness or fastness of roll (i.e. the ball bearings themselves, or the inner or outer races.)
Again, the ABEC rating only specifies how much plus or minus manufacturing error is allowed around the 8mm inner diameter truck axle hole.
The basis of the rumor (which is true) that the ABEC doesn't matter is that the tolerance of the steel extrusions for the truck axles themselves are looser than the minimum standard that virtually every bearing manufactures allows, even for the low-end industrial high volume bearings.
In other words... The people who make the pegs are always sloppier than the people who make the holes...even among the sloppiest hole guys. So having a super precise hole (i.e. higher ABEC rating) quite literally doesn't matter at all.
TLDR; ABEC doesn't matter. Read above for details.
There's a lot of comments just to be clear I haven't read any of them. Just wanted to put my two cents in on bearings. The tighter the tolerance the quieter the bearing is during spinning the quieter the bearing the smoother it rolls and the lower the friction. This translates to less energy required to spin. So the farther it will roll per energy put into the motion of the bearing. The harder the bearing is the longer it will last compared to bearings of the same tolerances. However the harder the material is in the bearing the less impact it can take as in general due to shattering rather then deformation. This is all of course metallurgical properties of the steels used in the bearing. Some bearings use ceramics instead of steel unfortunately I don't know how that material behaves in application because I haven't worked with it.
soo, how exactly are skateboard bearings different from hardware store bearings?
Damn, why didn't I think about doing this for my 6th grade science fair project? Perfect basic variables and log recording. Nice.
Hi Dale. Microseconds are technically a thing whereas in the metrics system a micro gram, liter, etc. can be measured by 1x10^(-9) of a kilo... So a microsecond would likely be referring to 1×10^(9) of a second!
I remember going to buy a board with my dad he said "just pick out whatever you want" I came back with them bone Swiss bearings he nearly had a heart attack and I had to put him back. "Kid knows his stuff" cashier said haha
Was worth a shot haha. Almost had em
ABEC is a standard of tolerance. The higher the ABEC rating, the tighter the tolerances of the bore and outer diameter. What does this mean? Basically, the outer diameter and bore are machined more exactly so that they fit onto machinery more accurately. Do I need high ABEC rated bearings for my board? No, the axles on your trucks are not machined to very tight tolerances and you are putting the bearing inside a plastic hub on the wheel so outer diameter tolerance doesn't matter. Simply put, the ABEC rating IS NOT A RATING OF HOW FAST YOUR BEARINGS WILL SPIN. ABEC is a machining tolerance rating so that manufacturers can ensure that the bearing will fit in a machine.
I’m kind of a beginner to skateboarding but I’m wondering if the size of the wheels matter