EXCELLENT points, Trent!! Back in 2018, We purchased our property. Luckily, we had a great excavator we were working with, who saved us $45k on our purchase price. The access road into our property is a County easement road across Stimson Lumber property. We had to bring it up to Fire Code in order to build on our property. That unowned improvement cost us $50K to improve the access road. Luckily, our excavation contractor let us know this before we bought the property just under asking price. Otherwise, we would have had to pay just under full price for the property and pay the other $50K to improve the access road. Also, KEC showed on their map there was a transformer on our neighbor’s property, which didn’t actually exist. Luckily, we had developed a great relationship with our neighbor prior to buying. They allowed us to tie into their transformer on the 40-acres they lived on, traverse their 20-acre lot between us, and bring electricity to our property for no cost from them, other than maintaining the easement for fire ingress/egress.
Really great insights for those looking at buying land. Having a solid relationship with your neighbors can save you more than just headaches. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Been through a situation that illustrates some of these points and others. My parents bought a 10 acre parcel that was "pre-approved" to subdivide into 2 5 acre parcels. This was part of a 5,000 acre property the owner divided into parcels ranging from 7 to 200 acres. He cut roads through to all parcels and as a parcel was bought the access easement went into affect. But the easement was mis-worded from "each" to "all" parcels. One neighbor wanted $7500 for an easement to cross 10 feet at the corner of his land. When my parents took him to court it turned out the realtor who was the original owner had committed fraud and killed himself. The title company had gone bankrupt and its assets but not its liabilities had been sold. The title insurance company had sold my parents a policy for a primary residence, not bare land and refused to help. I took a year to clear up. My parents had immediately started the process to subdivide into 2 five acre parcels and had approval to do so within 5 years. 3 years down the road the county imposed a moratorium on all new subdividing. When we tried to finish subdividing the county "had no record" of their prior approval. My dad had 2 hours to drive 50 miles home, find his copy of the approval, and get back to court. He made it with 5 minutes to spare.
Nightmare. This is why people buy in subdivisions. If I ever buy land again (I bought a lot last time) it will have full road frontage on a public road. No easements or neighbors to worry about. And the land will be high and immune from flooding.
Two Things that I didn't hear mentioned were; 1) Access to the Property ( Easements ) ! 2) Practical Location(s) as in Healthcare, Hospitals, Transportation, Conveniences such as " Grocery Stores " Hardware " Excetra " !
A young family I know thought they had found the perfect property to expand their organic farm. It had a nice stream that ran through it, so they started irrigating their first year crops and the WA EPA came by and said they could only irrigate one acre....no way they could make a living on one acre. They had to get jobs in town to make it and their dream was shattered.
That’s where you disobey these kinds of tyrannical rules. The gov has NO right to control the water on your land. This is all leading to taking land away from everyone and putting them in boxes in a nearby city to live. Either you band together and disobey now, or you fight later wishing you had.
It’s one thing to be told you can’t build a house on a piece of property. It’s way way worse to say you can’t even irrigate your land. Like what the hell?
My family and I were looking at a place in Oregon no one had told us a fire had gone though the place, and we were looking at old pictures. We took a drive out there only two fined there weren't even road signs out there any more. Always look before you buy.
Another thing to do is go by the property and the neighboring areas during different times of the day to see what goes on outside of a normal daytime visit. You would be surprised what happens during different times of the day/evenings.
Bought some land in north Idaho recently, we got lucky but almost didn't. There is a property line dispute between two of my neighbors, they both lobby me to take their side when I visit but I say the same thing to both, I am not here to move fences or make enemies, if it means that much to you pay for a survey. Also power was going to be 60K to run up to the property, we kind of knew this up front so we planned on using solar (it is a recreational property so that works fine) thankfully it has cell service and a well already in place. There are some things we could not do with this property due to access but for us that was a selling point. We like that it is hard to get to and out of the way. Do your research folks, all of the tips Trent gave are solid and worth the time.
Not familiar with Idaho but mineral rights, timber rights, and water rights. The title company should turn this up but... California an option might have been sold on your trees, Nevada you won't get the mineral rights on most open land, and water is really it's own thing. Even rainwater gets regulated in many states. Another pehaps odd one many miss is the local goverment and people. Stay at a hotel, visit the DMV, visit the courthouse (sit and observe court procedings), and watch the people and law enforcement in the wild a bit. Visit a church or two. Listen to the local radio channels. This is the community you're moving to. It's not just land.
the title company is for the chain of title- the history of owners. You must research to find all the facts, on the mineral rights. If they are reserved, you need to know.
Thanks! Another great video. One thing we came across 47 years ago when we bought our place in the Ozark Mountains was the land was a lot steeper than it looked until we walked it so we chose a different acerage. That land being so steep would have been dangerous for the equipment, people and animals. Again, thanks for the helpful video.
The utilities issue even comes up in cities. I bought 2 acres in downtown Eagle to build on. The seller had a double wide home on the property already -- so no utility issue, right? Wrong. The seller was doing some shady stuff with the neighboring property. It took a while, and $$$ to sort out. 5 years later I still have confused gas or electric people show up periodically. And I had to go with Starlink for internet access. We won't talk about the weird easement that was grandfathered in and the jerk neighbor who wouldn't work with me. There were some good reasons 2 acres was affordable in downtown Eagle. I don't regret the purchase at all, but I sure had some headaches.
Holy cow! That sounds like a brain bleed of a headache. And very good points to bring up. I’m glad it all worked out for you in the end. And yes, typically a great deal is only a good deal once you sort through all of the issues. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I love your informative videos as I am still hoping to move to Idaho & doing lots of research. Here in AZ, my husband used to do perc tests, and a couple of times when a test failed, he would look over the property (he was a civil engineer who did a lot of work with cement, soils, & soil cement), & would find another spot where the perc worked.
May also need a Phase 1 Environmental Site Report, particularly for commercial use. Also, Geo-tech report for challenging soils and/or hillsides, and areas that may have fill dirt.
The septic system issue can be resolved by getting a micro-septic system. It is basically a treatment plant in a tank. You may need to become a certified water/Wastewater operator. But you can have recyclable water.
You glossed over the wetlands. Yes true many ordinary pastures are actually legally wetlands If you have any indication of seasonal wetness near a potential building site it’s worth hiring an environmental consultant to map it and find out about permits. Not cheap, but cheaper than government fines or un developable land.
Definitely keep an eye out for easements and understand what they entail! Generally they function to reduce your normal property rights, but that doesn't relieve you of responsibility-it's still your property! Case in point: I owned a house that had a lot behind it, with a duplex. Both tenants were nice families, no issues-but the owners were another story. Their driveway ran through my property and there was an easement providing "ingress/egress": basically, I'm not allowed to block it. Sensible enough. Well, turns out their sewer lateral ran underneath the driveway, and at one point a neighbor's tree roots broke through and blocked it. I woke up one Saturday morning to find I had raw sewage flowing through a cleanout, out onto the street from my property! I don't even _want_ to know what the daily fines are for that...plus it's disgusting! I frantically called the owner, who asked if it could wait until Monday so that she could use "her guy" and save a buck. Yeah, no, this is a "right now" problem! She eventually relented and sent someone out. I was then in the position of mediating between the owner and my neighbor with the offending tree (thankfully nice, reasonable people). That got really irritating and I quickly got them to work with each other directly. The easement/driveway was also a "fire lane", and I got a friendly visit from the Fire Marshall who informed me that (a) I was responsible for keeping it clear and (b) I had to put up proper signage with very specific requirements; my existing "no parking" sign would not suffice. People would frequently park in the driveway due to a popular park being across the street, and _I_ could be fined for it. Pro-tip: if you're in this position, find a towing company that specializes in "residential tows". If you sign an agreement to use their services (for which they charge the car's owner, not you), they will often come out and put up the required signs for free! Finally, my yard (which butted up against this driveway) was lined with cypress trees. For some reason, the duplex owner _hated_ these trees and was always trying to get me to cut them down. They claimed it was a hazard to their tenants by blocking visibility when exiting the driveway (this was BS, and both tenants agreed). One day a landscaper showed up at my door letting me know he was there to remove my trees...I had made no such arrangements. Crazy duplex owner had basically tried to take a hit out on my trees and hoped I wouldn't notice, LOL.
Unfortunately pre sale "perc" tests can be a bit of a shit show lately. We've had county sanitarians ok lots for conventional systems during site assessments, then after purchasing when applying for the actual permit another sanitarian fails the same site. A good perc isn't a permit and isn't guaranteed until you have an approved permit in hand.
If you have a seasonal swamp on your land, like I do, that might be a sign that your land doesn't drain, and that you will need to come up with an alternative, like Composting Toilets, and Graywater Treatment with Plants. - T
Looked at land in Idaho with CRP, shared well agreements, hidden easements people have been using, hay growing agreements and wet land in the winter with seasonal creeks you have to be pretty careful.
Another item that is worth mentioning is access to the property. Sometimes a piece of land has no legal access, and you would need to try an "negotiate" an easement to get to it. Probably better to pass on a property like that. I've seen that issue two times in my neighborhood. It is a bad idea to buy property you can't get to.
I am not sure if that is true, I just saw a place for sale in Avery that is 120 acres of landlocked acreage surrounded by impassable National Forest, the seller is recommending a fly in access and building a runway. Maybe you just have to state up front there is no access?
@@alfredocarpaneto5976 I’ve been looking at that property. Kelly creek rd goes right through the middle of the two parcels. In Idaho you cannot sell property that is landlocked.
Great content! Regarding point #8, my experience is that most people don't want to talk to the neighbors because the neighbor is not sitting behind a keyboard.
I looked at a gorgeous piece of property in Utah. Several acres on a bench overlooking a gorgeous valley. I noticed there was no stream in the valley, and that made wonder where the water table was. I called a local well driller and asked about well costs in that area. He suggested I budget a million dollars for the well, pumps, and water treatment plant. LOL Next.
Great info. Northern MI it makes a difference which county you are in for building codes. We walked our property 3 times. It's only 10 acres but heavily wooded. The land was recently divided when we bought it. So markers are still present. I put down a point well and it flows. But the springs indicated shallow water. Agricultural building codes are different than residential where I am at. Because of fire risk we can only build so far from the 2 track. We are on an end moraine by a lake. I found out a lot from the title company about easements with the property. Even that one of the roads is actually one way.
We are signing on a property right now but we put on our contract of contingencies. The property has a well, but we need to inspect it. It has a nice pad on the hill, but we take extra precautions to hire a geotech engineer for 3k to do keep tests. Luckily, the seller already paved the road and have agreement for access. There is also a transformer in and an approved septic design and permit done. Once all the boxes are checked,. We also make sure the setbacks for the specific county is correct. In our. County, you cannot build 60 ft from a creek so many properties we love are disqualified bc the river runs through it. We are in Washington state and the property is still 40mins to a major town and 2 hrs to Seattle. Close to 10acres. It's worth it to pay 3-4 grand to work with a realtor to find the right property bc ours knows right away if it is wetland and all the weird setbacks you need. Imagine other places are easier but we still want to be close to a major metropolitan area and still have a farm. If you are going to buy, make sure you understand zoning and set backs for the county you are in!!!
May I add something to the title information…? I don’t know if this is how it is in Idaho but in Florida there are 2 title policies, one protects the mortgage holder and the other which is extra protects the buyer. In your scenario the owner would have to purchase an owners policy and pay a discounted rate based on the original work already completed on the title. I’m a new subscriber thank you!
Good stuff. Bought a place in WA looking out over the cowlitz river valley. The land beneath me was zoned agricultural and had a christmas tree farm on it. Perfect! After I moved in a 20 acre gravel pit started. Beeping trucks and rock crusher 7 days a week. Turns out there was an old permit attached to the property for a small gravel pit. Worse yet the permit was from the DNR that didn't moniter mines anymore and passed that to the county. The county refuses to moniter it. It's been a 12 year battle between 2 government agencies that refuse to take responsibility. What makes it worse is that I'm a 100% disabled army vet who moved here for "peace and quiet." If you are wondering, I talked to the owner of the mine about noise and hours and the multi millionaire told me I need to learn to deal with it. The stress and fight have taken years off my life but I continue to fight and pray out live the stupid thing. Check for permits attached to neighboring properties and grandfather clauses. 😔
I live next to a gravel pit and asphalt plant and it’s not to noisy. Sure there’s some semis but it’s not a big deal. Are you right next to the gravel pit?
Actually I live by a couple gravel Pits or drive by the other two. Maybe it’s karma for you being in the army just kidding. But some people may say that I’ve seen in some responses.
The perc test failure on a small piece of property is an issue. However, a larger parcel, such as 5 acres, really isn't an issue in most cases, because there is so much land. This is a great video for folks who are NOT very familiar with "build your own home" style of building. Thank you for all your work.
We wanted to buy 20 acres in NW Montana. It was part of a 160 owned by the realtor. Another realtor told us that there was no water up there. The owner and I agreed to a price, contingent on me finding suitable water. I would spend up to $5,000 to drill a well, but if no water, the deal was off. It was an insurance premium. That fall and winter was the most snow in many years and I spent hundreds of $ just on snowplowing so the drilling company could access the site every day they were working. We hired a “Water Witcher” to locate the well. We drilled several hundred feet and only found about 2 gpm, not enough to obtain a mortgage or sufficient for normal use. The $5,000 was drilled up and we were out of there. We found another parcel a few miles away. Water was at160 ft. As you advise, never scrimp on $ to prove that the property meets 100% of your minimum specifications, and work with expert real estate agents who are very familiar with the property and the area. Use a lawyer to draft or review any agreements, title insurance, contracts, etc, unless you are extremely experienced in this type of transaction.
@@troutfitter547 many sadnesses. Still, it’s gotta be better than WA? I know there is some kind of ruckus wherein a bunch of land was converted to parks etc to prevent a mining operation and then the residents got all mad they’d kinda screened themselves out of some development or recreation
My grandparents lived outside of Boise in the early 80’s and had a ranch nearest neighbor was 10 minutes away. When they got tired of the hot fricken weather my grandfather sold the ranch to OREIDA and they turned it into a potato farm!
❤ Did you contact a contractor that builds sepic systems, as theres a system called a mound system. Its designed by a engineer, and its built above your existing dirt, as it's designed to work perfectly, they may cost you $20,000. To build, but even in Commie run WA you can build them on non perk lots. Now I will assume Idaho would approve a mound system. As yo bring in a foot to 2 foot of the correct dirt to lay down in your septic field, then I think you have ditches in it for your septic pipe system, then some material that can only be penetrated by water, then you put round rock in you ditches, then your septic pipes lat on top that, then the county inspects it, then you cover the pipes with more round rock, and cover the gravel and pipes with that same material. Take photos in these stages, just in case, as they want to know its built correctly. Then more dirt on top of it all. It's a no fail engineered designed system. Now, you may need another area to build another, if that one fails in 30 years. Me I would pay to get the septic tank pumper each year, and put the special stuff that helps the system work good, and extends its life. I would have to believe that Idaho would let you build a engineered system. You can not build on it ir drive or park on it. You tank has a pump built in the tank fills up trips it to pump gray water to the drain field, and it leaks into the gravel and dirt, and the sun beats down on it, and evaporates the grey water under the grass, in this system. It's a super way to go if no perk. I would contact some septic builders in your general area there, and they know a engineer, that can design it. But the county has to approve a engineered system before you build, and maybe get your engineer, and septic builder to build it with a promiss that the county will approve it. The design the system, showing where on a plot plan, its drawn out, with measurements, other sheets with calculations, a design drawing or two, with measurements, then the county gets a fee, they look it over, approve, then you pay them their septic fee, and get the septic builder to build it. Now, you should be able to build on that lot. Call the county on monday, and ask if you can build a engineered septic system on your lot. Then ask for a list of approved designers, and builders, and who they suggest that you should use, as the best designer, and septic builder. As best to use someone that the county people like, so no problems. It's even good to ask for their advice in who you suggest to go with. ? I hope this helps, as I was a home builder, and I built quite a few homes on so called non buildable lots. As building homes profits are in the buy of the Lot or Land, as then you can calculate how much profits within a few thousand. Good Luck, as now maybe you can build on your lot. :-)
Yes, you might have missed me saying it but I mentioned there are other systems that may be a good alternative but some properties won’t allow it depending on CC&Rs and Zoning. It’s rare that they won’t allow them but we have seen it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Have to disagree a bit on appraisals. They are so subjective and too often the appraiser just matches the asking price. On a property under 50K the cost of the appraisal is way too much. A realtor can pull a bunch of comparables in the area and you can do your own analysis.
Doing all these things will not keep you out of a mess. If you end up with a good ole boy neighbor who wants what you have. A retired cop or something. They will get their way over you and use the local system to do so.
Title insurance may not be a scam when buying new property, but it is a scam in that I need to re-buy it every time I refinance. Also, be careful. The title insurance the lenders makes you buy, protects them! It may not protect you.
I can remember two rural properties, very nice, but certain things were not done by the closing. One was for a survey and perc test, and the other was for the perc test and a water test on the existing water well. (later I learned the DEP had determined the surrounding water wells were affected by oil and gas operations and this one was not tested.) Now why not a phase I, I meet the def of an environmental professional and do them myself for rural land. Any problems I avoid them. Now one urban property it was a local ordinance that prevented me from making any offers. Why I live 16 miles from the city, but if I was a land lord I had to have an office there or a property manager, since I was not from an adjoining county within NY, but just 1 mile in PA.
If the land, like I bought in Colorado, isn't able to be on a municipal sewer system it does not require a perc test and you can have a septic put in. It does have to have proper slope and the right soil I believe. Solar and propane solves the power issues. Starlink solves the internet issue.
There was a story an old timer told me once from a small Montana town in the 1960s that was moving to a city sewer system. The people in town didn’t see the need. The techs flushed die in their toilets and came back a few days later. They turned on their kitchen faucets and out came the die.
Not having a leach field due to a bad perc should not be the thing that makes you turn down a good piece of land. I live in a trailer park here in Oregon and we don't have a leach field at all, what we have is a storage tank that gets pumped out every six months or so. Pumper trucks too expensive? Buy your own and go into business with the neighbors. Even water is no problem, another storage tank, especially one hooked up to eves for rainwater would be an answer. Compare the total costs before making up you mind.
Really good question. So there’s going to be some nuance to this answer but yes, if it hasn’t been recorded with the country and it was just written down on a piece of paper it can be voided. Where things get interesting is if there was an exchange of value for that easement or if it falls under prescriptive use (the easement has been used continuously and openly without permission for 20+ years.) That would require legal expertise to navigate those waters. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I got screwed by a builder and title company in North Idaho. My late husband and I bought 8 houses from a well known builder here. The builder didn’t pay many of the subcontractors and after we bought the houses, we got tons of mechanic’s liens on them. He also left 3 houses unfinished. Our title company was absolutely useless and we lost more than a quarter million dollars paying off those liens, plus attorney fee. We sued the builder and had his business license revoked and his house auctioned off, but we only recovered $2900 because he did this to other people too. We found out this wasn’t the first time he had done this.
If I buy 20 acres in N.Idaho I do not want municipal power, water, or gas. That is the whole point of living in Idaho and off-the-grid. But your comment on septic and well water are very good points. Also Internet is not an issue any more... One word... StarLink.
I am building a house on Bunco Rd. and will have Star Link service. I have my own well, but am hooked up to electricity,but will install a solar system too. The house also has a large propane tank hooked up to a whole house generator system that will power the house for two weeks if the power goes out. The house also has a very good fireplace that will keep it warm in an emergency, plus I have plenty of timber to supply firewood. Where I am building, gas is not available.
For the most part but when mountains and trees are an interference it becomes very unreliable. Always make sure to check that or make sure your agent checks that before going past the inspection period. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Depends on what you use your internet for. Starlink isn't fast enough for my work needs, hence the reason I live in town instead of 20 acres in the middle of nowhere.
A majority of it is nationwide. The part on handshake agreements is an Idaho thing. I’m not aware of any other state that legally acknowledges handshake agreements.
Who cares about a perc test in north Idaho. I live up here and septic tanks are not required in many counties in north Idaho. Just make sure you do safe composting. Dispose of your waste in a sanitary way. No man has the right to tell you that you can’t build on property that you own. Another thing, if you do decide you want to build something on a piece of land, just call the county. There’s no professional needed for this information. The county can point you the right way.
I wish you were right man, but you are dead wrong. The past few years have changed everything and they now throw the book at you regarding septic systems of the lack there of.
@@Johnny-kv4lv Here, north of Bonners Ferry, they don’t strictly enforce the rules. I know several off-grid residents without septic systems who are well-connected. I used to work for the government in Sandpoint, not in a minor role, but as a Director. I know what I’m talking about.
I didn’t think about the perc test. I am guessing regardless of where you buy you would need this if sewer isn’t available. Another person on RUclips also suggested checking property access. Is it locked behind another property? Are their roads to it, what type of roads? Paved, fire trail, hiking trail? Also are you buying BLM land? I totally want to have a dirt bike track! 😂
I am making a dirt bike trail system on the acreage we bought in north Idaho. A little at a time I am carving out single track using game trails where I can.
Buying land property is easy, doing anything with it is a massive undertaking. You want to have a lot of money if you ever decide to buy land property. Just a property with an established residence already on it, even if the residence is in poor condition it's at least there already. Idaho is too expensive anyways, it's like California 2. Its already Californicated.
Apparently you don't understand the perk test in the area. The right septic company will make it work. Bringing in soil that perks correctly. Always study the laws of the area.
Well that’s an assumption. Replacing soil is incredibly expensive and usually not a practical solution. It’s also usually not permitted by local regulations. But maybe we’re talking about two different things since you spelled it “perk” and not perc?
@LivingLifeNorthIdaho have property in island county. They said the same thing you said. Talked to local contractors. Straight from his mouth i can make any drain feild in this area come up as a winner. Perk, perc. Im a product of public schools. I don't spell well. But i understand how everyone else makes things work. Thats the reality. Im just saying I've watched people buy cheap property because they said they couldn't get a septic to work. Then all of a sudden. Its all good. I get what your trying to tell people. But there are ways. And some how they are legal. So lets not be naive. Lol
I've been super-seriously looking at moving, and Idaho was in my top 3 states. When I saw that article in May, I crossed it off my list. Is Wyoming still relatively free from Californians?
@@timotheusmaximus5374 Do you want to live in a city or rural? Wyoming is like Idaho without the Boise area population. Rural Idaho is like Wyoming. We live 25 miles south of Boise and it is very civilized. Few Democrats, little crime, decent, friendly people. Housing prices have dramatically increased. We bought for $280k a 3,200 custom luxury house on 1.5 acres and it's listing for $630k.
@@Absaalookemensch Thank you! I've been seriously looking at the Riverton area in Wyoming, but I keep an eye on areas around Moscow, Idaho. I'm looking for rural, 20+ acres, but not outrageously far from a city with hospital services. One thing holding me back has been the spike in prices, often triple what the owners paid a few years ago.
A lot of the times you can engineer around the failed perc test, I know that is not the point of the video. Always get the perc test, why back yourself into a corner and force yourself to have to have to blow your budget on a septic system...
@@patriciaellinghausen4365 wow. thats expensive for sure, but if you have no other options then i guess thats an option. i have seen some waterfront property where that appears to be the only choice.
I'm in a similar situation in St. George, Utah. St. George has been in the top ten fastest growing cities in the US for quite a while now, and even hit the number one spot one year. Things are appreciating so fast here that I literally can't afford to leave. It's a shame, too, as the reason I moved here was because it was a quaint, quiet small town. Now it's just another rat race. Hopefully, we'll do well enough on the sale of our house when we retire in another few years to at least be able to afford an acre or two in northern Idaho. We are just yearning to move there.
Floorpizza Look up professor wolffe. He’s a kind of economist with socialist tendencies but he’s genuine. We don’t live in a free market at all when you learn the central bank is privatelyowned paying a 6%dividend and owns 2.7 trillion in mortgages. Anyways Wolff wisely points out that real estate prices are made up of two things that need consideration. One is actual development like new schools, roads etc do help with appreciation. But massive new money printing or new mortgages and debt which creates new money out of thin air and expands the dollars in existence devaluing the currency that also causes assets to go up that and 40 years of lower interest rates. I remember Wolfe talking about this in one episode about how they need to revalue real estate for taxes to actually tax real appreciation and growth. Otherwise governments are taxing real estate saying it went up when in reality in many cases nothing changed except money printer go burr. My mom is a Christian and I said I hope there’s a crash or rebalance of prices. She let me know her family stories of the Great Depression. I tried to explain massive credit creation and then massive contraction led to the Great Depression. She didn’t care just that she wants to avoid it. I asked her if she cared about wealth inequality of tons of investors buying tons of properties to rent out etc. she’s like ya maybe the government can fix that. Some people think the government can fix every distortion when sometimes the distortion they’re trying to fix they created in the first place.
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EXCELLENT points, Trent!! Back in 2018, We purchased our property. Luckily, we had a great excavator we were working with, who saved us $45k on our purchase price. The access road into our property is a County easement road across Stimson Lumber property. We had to bring it up to Fire Code in order to build on our property. That unowned improvement cost us $50K to improve the access road. Luckily, our excavation contractor let us know this before we bought the property just under asking price. Otherwise, we would have had to pay just under full price for the property and pay the other $50K to improve the access road.
Also, KEC showed on their map there was a transformer on our neighbor’s property, which didn’t actually exist. Luckily, we had developed a great relationship with our neighbor prior to buying. They allowed us to tie into their transformer on the 40-acres they lived on, traverse their 20-acre lot between us, and bring electricity to our property for no cost from them, other than maintaining the easement for fire ingress/egress.
Really great insights for those looking at buying land. Having a solid relationship with your neighbors can save you more than just headaches. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@LivingLifeNorthIdaho Especially if you can get them to install a pig farm!
Been through a situation that illustrates some of these points and others. My parents bought a 10 acre parcel that was "pre-approved" to subdivide into 2 5 acre parcels. This was part of a 5,000 acre property the owner divided into parcels ranging from 7 to 200 acres. He cut roads through to all parcels and as a parcel was bought the access easement went into affect. But the easement was mis-worded from "each" to "all" parcels. One neighbor wanted $7500 for an easement to cross 10 feet at the corner of his land. When my parents took him to court it turned out the realtor who was the original owner had committed fraud and killed himself. The title company had gone bankrupt and its assets but not its liabilities had been sold. The title insurance company had sold my parents a policy for a primary residence, not bare land and refused to help. I took a year to clear up. My parents had immediately started the process to subdivide into 2 five acre parcels and had approval to do so within 5 years. 3 years down the road the county imposed a moratorium on all new subdividing. When we tried to finish subdividing the county "had no record" of their prior approval. My dad had 2 hours to drive 50 miles home, find his copy of the approval, and get back to court. He made it with 5 minutes to spare.
Nightmare. This is why people buy in subdivisions.
If I ever buy land again (I bought a lot last time) it will have full road frontage on a public road. No easements or neighbors to worry about. And the land will be high and immune from flooding.
Two Things that I didn't hear mentioned were; 1) Access to the Property ( Easements ) ! 2) Practical Location(s) as in
Healthcare, Hospitals, Transportation, Conveniences such as " Grocery Stores " Hardware " Excetra " !
A young family I know thought they had found the perfect property to expand their organic farm. It had a nice stream that ran through it, so they started irrigating their first year crops and the WA EPA came by and said they could only irrigate one acre....no way they could make a living on one acre. They had to get jobs in town to make it and their dream was shattered.
That’s where you disobey these kinds of tyrannical rules. The gov has NO right to control the water on your land. This is all leading to taking land away from everyone and putting them in boxes in a nearby city to live. Either you band together and disobey now, or you fight later wishing you had.
Land of the free... home of the peasants who do what the government tells them
Sounds like a reason to not live in WA.
@@saturnautjust an example of needing to do your homework.
It’s one thing to be told you can’t build a house on a piece of property. It’s way way worse to say you can’t even irrigate your land. Like what the hell?
My family and I were looking at a place in Oregon no one had told us a fire had gone though the place, and we were looking at old pictures. We took a drive out there only two fined there weren't even road signs out there any more. Always look before you buy.
Another thing to do is go by the property and the neighboring areas during different times of the day to see what goes on outside of a normal daytime visit. You would be surprised what happens during different times of the day/evenings.
Ha, don't get surprised like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny.
Bought some land in north Idaho recently, we got lucky but almost didn't. There is a property line dispute between two of my neighbors, they both lobby me to take their side when I visit but I say the same thing to both, I am not here to move fences or make enemies, if it means that much to you pay for a survey. Also power was going to be 60K to run up to the property, we kind of knew this up front so we planned on using solar (it is a recreational property so that works fine) thankfully it has cell service and a well already in place. There are some things we could not do with this property due to access but for us that was a selling point. We like that it is hard to get to and out of the way. Do your research folks, all of the tips Trent gave are solid and worth the time.
Not familiar with Idaho but mineral rights, timber rights, and water rights. The title company should turn this up but... California an option might have been sold on your trees, Nevada you won't get the mineral rights on most open land, and water is really it's own thing. Even rainwater gets regulated in many states.
Another pehaps odd one many miss is the local goverment and people. Stay at a hotel, visit the DMV, visit the courthouse (sit and observe court procedings), and watch the people and law enforcement in the wild a bit. Visit a church or two. Listen to the local radio channels. This is the community you're moving to. It's not just land.
Sage advice
the title company is for the chain of title- the history of owners. You must research to find all the facts, on the mineral rights.
If they are reserved, you need to know.
Thanks! Another great video. One thing we came across 47 years ago when we bought our place in the Ozark Mountains was the land was a lot steeper than it looked until we walked it so we chose a different acerage. That land being so steep would have been dangerous for the equipment, people and animals. Again, thanks for the helpful video.
The utilities issue even comes up in cities. I bought 2 acres in downtown Eagle to build on. The seller had a double wide home on the property already -- so no utility issue, right? Wrong. The seller was doing some shady stuff with the neighboring property. It took a while, and $$$ to sort out. 5 years later I still have confused gas or electric people show up periodically. And I had to go with Starlink for internet access. We won't talk about the weird easement that was grandfathered in and the jerk neighbor who wouldn't work with me. There were some good reasons 2 acres was affordable in downtown Eagle. I don't regret the purchase at all, but I sure had some headaches.
Holy cow! That sounds like a brain bleed of a headache. And very good points to bring up. I’m glad it all worked out for you in the end. And yes, typically a great deal is only a good deal once you sort through all of the issues. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super insightful. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I love your informative videos as I am still hoping to move to Idaho & doing lots of research.
Here in AZ, my husband used to do perc tests, and a couple of times when a test failed, he would look over the property (he was a civil engineer who did a lot of work with cement, soils, & soil cement), & would find another spot where the perc worked.
Until I saw this video, I would have guessed something to do with coffee.
#8 is a great one but yes, that is big on my list....I have learned that lesson here in Alaska for sure. Great video, hope to relocate there soon.
May also need a Phase 1 Environmental Site Report, particularly for commercial use. Also, Geo-tech report for challenging soils and/or hillsides, and areas that may have fill dirt.
Excellent points!
The septic system issue can be resolved by getting a micro-septic system. It is basically a treatment plant in a tank. You may need to become a certified water/Wastewater operator. But you can have recyclable water.
You glossed over the wetlands. Yes true many ordinary pastures are actually legally wetlands
If you have any indication of seasonal wetness near a potential building site it’s worth hiring an environmental consultant to map it and find out about permits. Not cheap, but cheaper than government fines or un developable land.
more importantly, can you get a place there to perc for the septic.
Definitely keep an eye out for easements and understand what they entail! Generally they function to reduce your normal property rights, but that doesn't relieve you of responsibility-it's still your property!
Case in point: I owned a house that had a lot behind it, with a duplex. Both tenants were nice families, no issues-but the owners were another story. Their driveway ran through my property and there was an easement providing "ingress/egress": basically, I'm not allowed to block it. Sensible enough. Well, turns out their sewer lateral ran underneath the driveway, and at one point a neighbor's tree roots broke through and blocked it. I woke up one Saturday morning to find I had raw sewage flowing through a cleanout, out onto the street from my property! I don't even _want_ to know what the daily fines are for that...plus it's disgusting! I frantically called the owner, who asked if it could wait until Monday so that she could use "her guy" and save a buck. Yeah, no, this is a "right now" problem! She eventually relented and sent someone out.
I was then in the position of mediating between the owner and my neighbor with the offending tree (thankfully nice, reasonable people). That got really irritating and I quickly got them to work with each other directly.
The easement/driveway was also a "fire lane", and I got a friendly visit from the Fire Marshall who informed me that (a) I was responsible for keeping it clear and (b) I had to put up proper signage with very specific requirements; my existing "no parking" sign would not suffice. People would frequently park in the driveway due to a popular park being across the street, and _I_ could be fined for it. Pro-tip: if you're in this position, find a towing company that specializes in "residential tows". If you sign an agreement to use their services (for which they charge the car's owner, not you), they will often come out and put up the required signs for free!
Finally, my yard (which butted up against this driveway) was lined with cypress trees. For some reason, the duplex owner _hated_ these trees and was always trying to get me to cut them down. They claimed it was a hazard to their tenants by blocking visibility when exiting the driveway (this was BS, and both tenants agreed). One day a landscaper showed up at my door letting me know he was there to remove my trees...I had made no such arrangements. Crazy duplex owner had basically tried to take a hit out on my trees and hoped I wouldn't notice, LOL.
Great advice for anyone in any position to make a land purchase.
Did not know deed restrictions were a thing.. thanks for sharing!
Unfortunately pre sale "perc" tests can be a bit of a shit show lately. We've had county sanitarians ok lots for conventional systems during site assessments, then after purchasing when applying for the actual permit another sanitarian fails the same site. A good perc isn't a permit and isn't guaranteed until you have an approved permit in hand.
If you have a seasonal swamp on your land, like I do, that might be a sign that your land doesn't drain, and that you will need to come up with an alternative, like Composting Toilets, and Graywater Treatment with Plants. - T
Great advice for land purchase in any state 👍
Thanks for the information, applicable not just in north Idaho
Looked at land in Idaho with CRP, shared well agreements, hidden easements people have been using, hay growing agreements and wet land in the winter with seasonal creeks you have to be pretty careful.
Appreciate the honest viewpoint bud!
Another item that is worth mentioning is access to the property. Sometimes a piece of land has no legal access, and you would need to try an "negotiate" an easement to get to it. Probably better to pass on a property like that. I've seen that issue two times in my neighborhood. It is a bad idea to buy property you can't get to.
Great point. Couldn’t agree more. I’ll add this to my next video on purchasing land.
You can’t sell or buy landlocked property in Idaho.
I am not sure if that is true, I just saw a place for sale in Avery that is 120 acres of landlocked acreage surrounded by impassable National Forest, the seller is recommending a fly in access and building a runway. Maybe you just have to state up front there is no access?
@@alfredocarpaneto5976 I’ve been looking at that property. Kelly creek rd goes right through the middle of the two parcels. In Idaho you cannot sell property that is landlocked.
Great content! Regarding point #8, my experience is that most people don't want to talk to the neighbors because the neighbor is not sitting behind a keyboard.
Really good solid advise. Especially talking too neighbors of the property your considering. Thank you.
Thanks, I would have never thought of doing the perc test or the water depth.
Great info! Also, water rights? Timber rights? Mineral rights?
I looked at a gorgeous piece of property in Utah. Several acres on a bench overlooking a gorgeous valley. I noticed there was no stream in the valley, and that made wonder where the water table was. I called a local well driller and asked about well costs in that area. He suggested I budget a million dollars for the well, pumps, and water treatment plant. LOL Next.
Where was that?
better check if local insurance deems it a wildfire zone save headaches later
Really great point! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great info. Northern MI it makes a difference which county you are in for building codes. We walked our property 3 times. It's only 10 acres but heavily wooded. The land was recently divided when we bought it. So markers are still present. I put down a point well and it flows. But the springs indicated shallow water. Agricultural building codes are different than residential where I am at. Because of fire risk we can only build so far from the 2 track. We are on an end moraine by a lake. I found out a lot from the title company about easements with the property. Even that one of the roads is actually one way.
Great video…fyi Starlink is available and works great in northern Idaho.
Yes it does.
I was scrolling through the comments specifically to see if this question had been asked/answered. Thank you!
Great video, Trent!
We are signing on a property right now but we put on our contract of contingencies. The property has a well, but we need to inspect it. It has a nice pad on the hill, but we take extra precautions to hire a geotech engineer for 3k to do keep tests. Luckily, the seller already paved the road and have agreement for access. There is also a transformer in and an approved septic design and permit done. Once all the boxes are checked,. We also make sure the setbacks for the specific county is correct. In our. County, you cannot build 60 ft from a creek so many properties we love are disqualified bc the river runs through it. We are in Washington state and the property is still 40mins to a major town and 2 hrs to Seattle. Close to 10acres. It's worth it to pay 3-4 grand to work with a realtor to find the right property bc ours knows right away if it is wetland and all the weird setbacks you need. Imagine other places are easier but we still want to be close to a major metropolitan area and still have a farm. If you are going to buy, make sure you understand zoning and set backs for the county you are in!!!
Logical
Great advice. Tha k you.
May I add something to the title information…? I don’t know if this is how it is in Idaho but in Florida there are 2 title policies, one protects the mortgage holder and the other which is extra protects the buyer. In your scenario the owner would have to purchase an owners policy and pay a discounted rate based on the original work already completed on the title. I’m a new subscriber thank you!
Perc test results determine the height/depth of required sand mound.
Good stuff. Bought a place in WA looking out over the cowlitz river valley. The land beneath me was zoned agricultural and had a christmas tree farm on it. Perfect! After I moved in a 20 acre gravel pit started. Beeping trucks and rock crusher 7 days a week. Turns out there was an old permit attached to the property for a small gravel pit. Worse yet the permit was from the DNR that didn't moniter mines anymore and passed that to the county. The county refuses to moniter it. It's been a 12 year battle between 2 government agencies that refuse to take responsibility. What makes it worse is that I'm a 100% disabled army vet who moved here for "peace and quiet." If you are wondering, I talked to the owner of the mine about noise and hours and the multi millionaire told me I need to learn to deal with it. The stress and fight have taken years off my life but I continue to fight and pray out live the stupid thing. Check for permits attached to neighboring properties and grandfather clauses. 😔
I live next to a gravel pit and asphalt plant and it’s not to noisy. Sure there’s some semis but it’s not a big deal. Are you right next to the gravel pit?
Actually I live by a couple gravel
Pits or drive by the other two. Maybe it’s karma for you being in the army just kidding. But some people may say that I’ve seen in some responses.
@koltoncrane3099 we are 80 feet above it so that's why the noise travels so much.
The perc test failure on a small piece of property is an issue. However, a larger parcel, such as 5 acres, really isn't an issue in most cases, because there is so much land. This is a great video for folks who are NOT very familiar with "build your own home" style of building. Thank you for all your work.
Soil will always absorb water even if it's mostly clay. However, you will have to increase the size of your irrigation field.
We wanted to buy 20 acres in NW Montana. It was part of a 160 owned by the realtor. Another realtor told us that there was no water up there. The owner and I agreed to a price, contingent on me finding suitable water. I would spend up to $5,000 to drill a well, but if no water, the deal was off. It was an insurance premium. That fall and winter was the most snow in many years and I spent hundreds of $ just on snowplowing so the drilling company could access the site every day they were working. We hired a “Water Witcher” to locate the well. We drilled several hundred feet and only found about 2 gpm, not enough to obtain a mortgage or sufficient for normal use. The $5,000 was drilled up and we were out of there. We found another parcel a few miles away. Water was at160 ft.
As you advise, never scrimp on $ to prove that the property meets 100% of your minimum specifications, and work with expert real estate agents who are very familiar with the property and the area. Use a lawyer to draft or review any agreements, title insurance, contracts, etc, unless you are extremely experienced in this type of transaction.
Great Info!
All points made reenforces the fact that we are not a truly free country.
You mean we’re a civilized country with complexity that increases with time?
Conservative Washingtonian here, you’re breaking my heart. I was told Idaho was where the streets are paved with cheese…or at least freedom.
You have no idea of the red tape and endless BS that goes on.
@@troutfitter547 many sadnesses. Still, it’s gotta be better than WA? I know there is some kind of ruckus wherein a bunch of land was converted to parks etc to prevent a mining operation and then the residents got all mad they’d kinda screened themselves out of some development or recreation
Also find out if you have access to your lot either thru public roads or private easement rights.
My grandparents lived outside of Boise in the early 80’s and had a ranch nearest neighbor was 10 minutes away. When they got tired of the hot fricken weather my grandfather sold the ranch to OREIDA and they turned it into a potato farm!
Where were you when making this video? Tub hill? Good video. Thanks
If you have todo every thing what are the sellers requirements
Sellers have to disclose any adverse material facts they know of but outside of that it’s the buyers responsibility to do their due diligence.
❤ Did you contact a contractor that builds sepic systems, as theres a system called a mound system. Its designed by a engineer, and its built above your existing dirt, as it's designed to work perfectly, they may cost you $20,000. To build, but even in Commie run WA you can build them on non perk lots. Now I will assume Idaho would approve a mound system. As yo bring in a foot to 2 foot of the correct dirt to lay down in your septic field, then I think you have ditches in it for your septic pipe system, then some material that can only be penetrated by water, then you put round rock in you ditches, then your septic pipes lat on top that, then the county inspects it, then you cover the pipes with more round rock, and cover the gravel and pipes with that same material. Take photos in these stages, just in case, as they want to know its built correctly. Then more dirt on top of it all. It's a no fail engineered designed system. Now, you may need another area to build another, if that one fails in 30 years. Me I would pay to get the septic tank pumper each year, and put the special stuff that helps the system work good, and extends its life. I would have to believe that Idaho would let you build a engineered system. You can not build on it ir drive or park on it. You tank has a pump built in the tank fills up trips it to pump gray water to the drain field, and it leaks into the gravel and dirt, and the sun beats down on it, and evaporates the grey water under the grass, in this system. It's a super way to go if no perk. I would contact some septic builders in your general area there, and they know a engineer, that can design it. But the county has to approve a engineered system before you build, and maybe get your engineer, and septic builder to build it with a promiss that the county will approve it. The design the system, showing where on a plot plan, its drawn out, with measurements, other sheets with calculations, a design drawing or two, with measurements, then the county gets a fee, they look it over, approve, then you pay them their septic fee, and get the septic builder to build it. Now, you should be able to build on that lot. Call the county on monday, and ask if you can build a engineered septic system on your lot. Then ask for a list of approved designers, and builders, and who they suggest that you should use, as the best designer, and septic builder. As best to use someone that the county people like, so no problems.
It's even good to ask for their advice in who you suggest to go with. ? I hope this helps, as I was a home builder, and I built quite a few homes on so called non buildable lots. As building homes profits are in the buy of the Lot or Land, as then you can calculate how much profits within a few thousand. Good Luck, as now maybe you can build on your lot. :-)
Yes, you might have missed me saying it but I mentioned there are other systems that may be a good alternative but some properties won’t allow it depending on CC&Rs and Zoning. It’s rare that they won’t allow them but we have seen it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Have to disagree a bit on appraisals. They are so subjective and too often the appraiser just matches the asking price. On a property under 50K the cost of the appraisal is way too much. A realtor can pull a bunch of comparables in the area and you can do your own analysis.
Great advice.
Doing all these things will not keep you out of a mess. If you end up with a good ole boy neighbor who wants what you have. A retired cop or something. They will get their way over you and use the local system to do so.
Or do your own due diligence. Quit blaming others for your bad decisions. You sound like a left leaning whiny constant victim. I love good ole boys.
All good advice whetever you are.
Also ask about timber and mineral rights or do they convey automatically in Idaho?
Thank you very much for all the information. I’m a fan.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it!
Title insurance may not be a scam when buying new property, but it is a scam in that I need to re-buy it every time I refinance.
Also, be careful. The title insurance the lenders makes you buy, protects them! It may not protect you.
I can remember two rural properties, very nice, but certain things were not done by the closing. One was for a survey and perc test, and the other was for the perc test and a water test on the existing water well. (later I learned the DEP had determined the surrounding water wells were affected by oil and gas operations and this one was not tested.) Now why not a phase I, I meet the def of an environmental professional and do them myself for rural land. Any problems I avoid them. Now one urban property it was a local ordinance that prevented me from making any offers. Why I live 16 miles from the city, but if I was a land lord I had to have an office there or a property manager, since I was not from an adjoining county within NY, but just 1 mile in PA.
If I ever move to Idaho , you're the one I'm calling ! Thanks Trent 👍🏼
I really appreciate that. Thank you for taking the time to watch my videos and leaving that comment.
Thanks!
We had this problem but put in bio diffusers and have a great system.
Or buying anywhere!!
If the land, like I bought in Colorado, isn't able to be on a municipal sewer system it does not require a perc test and you can have a septic put in. It does have to have proper slope and the right soil I believe. Solar and propane solves the power issues. Starlink solves the internet issue.
Just put a septic with no permit and done. Problem solved.
There was a story an old timer told me once from a small Montana town in the 1960s that was moving to a city sewer system. The people in town didn’t see the need. The techs flushed die in their toilets and came back a few days later. They turned on their kitchen faucets and out came the die.
Not having a leach field due to a bad perc should not be the thing that makes you turn down a good piece of land. I live in a trailer park here in Oregon and we don't have a leach field at all, what we have is a storage tank that gets pumped out every six months or so. Pumper trucks too expensive? Buy your own and go into business with the neighbors. Even water is no problem, another storage tank, especially one hooked up to eves for rainwater would be an answer. Compare the total costs before making up you mind.
I've never seen somewhere that couldn't have a septic system but some are extremely expensive.
There is always a way.
In Idaho where an easement was agreed upon in writing, can a new owner void the easement?
Really good question. So there’s going to be some nuance to this answer but yes, if it hasn’t been recorded with the country and it was just written down on a piece of paper it can be voided. Where things get interesting is if there was an exchange of value for that easement or if it falls under prescriptive use (the easement has been used continuously and openly without permission for 20+ years.) That would require legal expertise to navigate those waters. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I got screwed by a builder and title company in North Idaho. My late husband and I bought 8 houses from a well known builder here. The builder didn’t pay many of the subcontractors and after we bought the houses, we got tons of mechanic’s liens on them. He also left 3 houses unfinished. Our title company was absolutely useless and we lost more than a quarter million dollars paying off those liens, plus attorney fee. We sued the builder and had his business license revoked and his house auctioned off, but we only recovered $2900 because he did this to other people too. We found out this wasn’t the first time he had done this.
That is an incredibly heart breaking story and something that I hear far too often. I’m sorry to hear that this happened to you.
If I buy 20 acres in N.Idaho I do not want municipal power, water, or gas. That is the whole point of living in Idaho and off-the-grid. But your comment on septic and well water are very good points. Also Internet is not an issue any more... One word... StarLink.
I am building a house on Bunco Rd. and will have Star Link service. I have my own well, but am hooked up to electricity,but will install a solar system too. The house also has a large propane tank hooked up to a whole house generator system that will power the house for two weeks if the power goes out. The house also has a very good fireplace that will keep it warm in an emergency, plus I have plenty of timber to supply firewood. Where I am building, gas is not available.
Yes this would be the first thing I would do. Neighbors have a lot of information.
Run away if you hear a banjo .
As a lender here, boy do I have stories!
I think a lot of that is likely to apply to other states as well.
Are you recording while walking Tubbs Hill?
Anything north of Sandpoint is where I'm going to land when I am done here in Texas. Love me some NorId.
snow.
@@patriciaellinghausen4365 indeed. And I miss it very very much.
Seems like new surveys are always different than old surveys. Property lines are constantly moving by a few feet yearly.
Starlink has removed any worries about internet access.
For the most part but when mountains and trees are an interference it becomes very unreliable. Always make sure to check that or make sure your agent checks that before going past the inspection period. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@LivingLifeNorthIdaho Unless you are right up against a mountain it shouldn't be an issue and trees can be trimmed or the dish elevated on a pole.
Depends on what you use your internet for. Starlink isn't fast enough for my work needs, hence the reason I live in town instead of 20 acres in the middle of nowhere.
@@Soleya9 Are you perhaps confusing Hughes Net or Viasat for Starlink?
Is this an Idaho thing or does it apply nationwide too?
A majority of it is nationwide. The part on handshake agreements is an Idaho thing. I’m not aware of any other state that legally acknowledges handshake agreements.
If I were to go and have a realtor ( buyers agent ) how much of this should I expect from them?
you mean what would the agent do? they can help you find out? they acn give you the resources, and connections-
Who cares about a perc test in north Idaho. I live up here and septic tanks are not required in many counties in north Idaho. Just make sure you do safe composting. Dispose of your waste in a sanitary way. No man has the right to tell you that you can’t build on property that you own. Another thing, if you do decide you want to build something on a piece of land, just call the county. There’s no professional needed for this information. The county can point you the right way.
I wish you were right man, but you are dead wrong. The past few years have changed everything and they now throw the book at you regarding septic systems of the lack there of.
@@Johnny-kv4lv Here, north of Bonners Ferry, they don’t strictly enforce the rules. I know several off-grid residents without septic systems who are well-connected. I used to work for the government in Sandpoint, not in a minor role, but as a Director. I know what I’m talking about.
Benewah County will no longer issue building permits for dwellings without a septic system plan already approved and/or in place.
Most of these are issues that people deal with everywhere.
I didn’t think about the perc test. I am guessing regardless of where you buy you would need this if sewer isn’t available.
Another person on RUclips also suggested checking property access. Is it locked behind another property? Are their roads to it, what type of roads? Paved, fire trail, hiking trail?
Also are you buying BLM land?
I totally want to have a dirt bike track! 😂
I am making a dirt bike trail system on the acreage we bought in north Idaho. A little at a time I am carving out single track using game trails where I can.
@@alfredocarpaneto5976 That is gonna be EPIC!
You can throw in some hunting blinds along the way too. Easy commute to harvest some deer or elk.
Moto track part, yup my dream as well bru
Can you recommend someone who does what you do but in Washington state
Some people might be able to throw thousands of dollars at a property that they won't buy because of found issues but that's a bit much for many.
Buying land property is easy, doing anything with it is a massive undertaking. You want to have a lot of money if you ever decide to buy land property. Just a property with an established residence already on it, even if the residence is in poor condition it's at least there already. Idaho is too expensive anyways, it's like California 2. Its already Californicated.
Apparently you don't understand the perk test in the area. The right septic company will make it work. Bringing in soil that perks correctly. Always study the laws of the area.
Well that’s an assumption. Replacing soil is incredibly expensive and usually not a practical solution. It’s also usually not permitted by local regulations.
But maybe we’re talking about two different things since you spelled it “perk” and not perc?
@LivingLifeNorthIdaho have property in island county. They said the same thing you said. Talked to local contractors. Straight from his mouth i can make any drain feild in this area come up as a winner. Perk, perc. Im a product of public schools. I don't spell well. But i understand how everyone else makes things work. Thats the reality. Im just saying I've watched people buy cheap property because they said they couldn't get a septic to work. Then all of a sudden. Its all good. I get what your trying to tell people. But there are ways. And some how they are legal. So lets not be naive. Lol
What about water rights?
None of you are buying land. You're buying real estate.
Don't buy farm land. The Water Commissioner just curtailed irrigation to 500,000 acres of farm land.
I've been super-seriously looking at moving, and Idaho was in my top 3 states. When I saw that article in May, I crossed it off my list. Is Wyoming still relatively free from Californians?
@@timotheusmaximus5374 Do you want to live in a city or rural?
Wyoming is like Idaho without the Boise area population.
Rural Idaho is like Wyoming. We live 25 miles south of Boise and it is very civilized. Few Democrats, little crime, decent, friendly people.
Housing prices have dramatically increased. We bought for $280k a 3,200 custom luxury house on 1.5 acres and it's listing for $630k.
@@Absaalookemensch Thank you! I've been seriously looking at the Riverton area in Wyoming, but I keep an eye on areas around Moscow, Idaho. I'm looking for rural, 20+ acres, but not outrageously far from a city with hospital services. One thing holding me back has been the spike in prices, often triple what the owners paid a few years ago.
that is SOUTHERN IDAHO.
@@timotheusmaximus5374 that is Benewah country.or Latah. not Bonner.
A lot of the times you can engineer around the failed perc test, I know that is not the point of the video. Always get the perc test, why back yourself into a corner and force yourself to have to have to blow your budget on a septic system...
450 ain’t that bad up here. I’m in Blanchard area and I have neighbors at 700 ++
why would you not just use a septic incinerator system?
8-10 grand to installl, and the $1- per "use" of propane.
@@patriciaellinghausen4365 wow. thats expensive for sure, but if you have no other options then i guess thats an option. i have seen some waterfront property where that appears to be the only choice.
Failing a perk test is not the end of the world. There are ways around it. They have many different Options.
No perc test? I have two words. Aerobic system. You do need power though.
I paid 31k for a well in Sandpoint. Stay away from H20 well , they will rip you off. Well company I used went 400 feet for my well….
Who was the company you used?
Idaho is way overpriced. Should have moved here back in 2005 you would be a millionaire right now. I ll just sit back and enjoy the show.
I'm in a similar situation in St. George, Utah. St. George has been in the top ten fastest growing cities in the US for quite a while now, and even hit the number one spot one year. Things are appreciating so fast here that I literally can't afford to leave. It's a shame, too, as the reason I moved here was because it was a quaint, quiet small town. Now it's just another rat race. Hopefully, we'll do well enough on the sale of our house when we retire in another few years to at least be able to afford an acre or two in northern Idaho. We are just yearning to move there.
My bad for being 6 years old in 2005, Tim.
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Look up professor wolffe. He’s a kind of economist with socialist tendencies but he’s genuine. We don’t live in a free market at all when you learn the central bank is privatelyowned paying a 6%dividend and owns 2.7 trillion in mortgages.
Anyways Wolff wisely points out that real estate prices are made up of two things that need consideration. One is actual development like new schools, roads etc do help with appreciation. But massive new money printing or new mortgages and debt which creates new money out of thin air and expands the dollars in existence devaluing the currency that also causes assets to go up that and 40 years of lower interest rates.
I remember Wolfe talking about this in one episode about how they need to revalue real estate for taxes to actually tax real appreciation and growth. Otherwise governments are taxing real estate saying it went up when in reality in many cases nothing changed except money printer go burr.
My mom is a Christian and I said I hope there’s a crash or rebalance of prices. She let me know her family stories of the Great Depression. I tried to explain massive credit creation and then massive contraction led to the Great Depression. She didn’t care just that she wants to avoid it. I asked her if she cared about wealth inequality of tons of investors buying tons of properties to rent out etc. she’s like ya maybe the government can fix that. Some people think the government can fix every distortion when sometimes the distortion they’re trying to fix they created in the first place.
I grew up in idaho and am trying to get back. I feel like this info is just helping the California folks out.
Idaho isn't the Idaho I remember as a child in the '70's. People like yourself are destroying it because of greed (and politics)
How did that person even buy the land without the perc test being a condition of the purchase?
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