What a beautiful conversation! Just came across this, and what a blessing it was to my heart. We shouldn’t be dividing, we should be reaching out to people who don’t agree and show them the love of Christ. That’s more important
Pastor Platt, I am purchasing your book this week and I pray that your message touches the heart of so many in the American (Global also) church. So many need to hear this. Thank u both! 💯🎯
Hearing pastors speak like this hurts my heart because they are so ignorant about the facts. Pastor Platt is so hung up on racism, but he needs to follow his advice and listen to some Thomas Sowell. He is buying the narrative sold by one political side, and then accusing others of doing the same thing! It's like people who start an argument, and when you disagree with them, they accuse you of being argumentative. The two speakers here also cover their pride in how they have handled these issues by subtly (or maybe not so subtly) accusing churches who have been vocal about the dangers of "wokeness" as basically being racist or classist... because obviously, the only possible reason a pastor or church would speak against things like the gay agenda, transgenderism, or abortion is that they want to perpetuate their own social and political advantages. Maybe, just maybe, there are pastors who actually believe that those things are morally evil and should be called sin. Maybe, just maybe, these "non-woke" churches are simply trying to remain faithful to biblical teaching. I am not aware of how a white pastor benefits by discouraging abortion, a sin that is hurting other ethnic groups much more than his own. I am not sure how a white pastor benefits from calling homosexuality a sin in a society that threatens to delete anyone who dares to not enthusiastically support it. Maybe, just maybe, Pastor Platt is the political actor, after all, a mouthpiece being used to silence anyone brave enough to challenge the current norms. Maybe not taking a stand is taking a stand. Maybe it is the wrong one. Maybe?
After fellowshipping with those whose shared worldview, politics and faith are SO tightly woven, I find I don't know how the Gospel works, if I ever did. Just have to believe that it does, that He does.
Hello Carey. I am a Pastor and a huge fan. In minute 34, there is conversation about Church growth. I used to work in sales/marketing/management before experiencing a call to Seminary in the Lutheran Church. At 54 years of age and 10 years in ministry, I have to question how we define Church growth. Is increasing the number of worshipers considered growth (even at the expense of our message)? An old word of wisdom comes to mind. "Sitting in a church makes you as much of a Christian as sitting in a garage makes you a car." I am concerned that Church growth is often defined by butts in the seat and dollars in the plate (institutional/company growth in the capitalistic sense) rather than spiritual/kingdom growth. Maybe the two can't be easily separated. Thoughts?
I rejoice in the Christ-like humility of my President and his wonderful wife. They represent the best of the coming together of the native born and the immigrant experience.
@Carey Nieuwhof and David, what are your thoughts on which bucket the essentiality of embodied communal worship of God among believers falls? For those of us who watched as our churches kept their doors closed for extended periods of time during Covid, do you think pleading with church leadership to open the doors is a bucket 1, 2 or 3 type issue?
Radical comment here. Have you considered that the polarization, the growing racial/gender divisions, are deliberate? To result in a weaker America? Because we certainly are that. A hopeful thought may be Christians are not the enemy, squabbling within, (though we are, unfortunately) but are perhaps under attack so we will just fade away. Thank you for the thoughtful conversation.
It’s inevitable- it’s been written, must come to pass. Loved waxed cold. Lovers of self. Good bad/bad good, sons turning in fathers… repeatedly until it climaxes right before NWO, which is (if half of us have it right) preceded by His return.
After thinking about this, I wonder if the Lord would have us put justice in the third bucket? It may increase unity in the local church to leave justice issues unaddressed, but I am not seeing it biblically. It seems like those justice discussions should be happening within the leadership who can make decisions and lead the church in this confusing time to let the river of justice flow.
I have a question: I heard someone say - don't run to speak into areas that God has not given you authority in... and I wonder how that applies to this conversation??? Cos I found it good counsel. but my application here means I will talk about these things in my community but I won't take to the streets to talk about it? Any thoughts?
David hasn’t been oversees. I spent time oversee’s and they segregate way more than we do. This is not an American thing, it’s a human thing. God told me not to be concerned about the color of our skin. It’s about the style of worship that is why we have this “segregation.”
"When we show the distinction that Jesus and the gospel create in a beautiful way that astounds like Ephesians 3 even all in the spiritual realm, the manifold wisdom of God in His design for the church.... let's show that and I'm convinced that the offense of the Gospel will still be there but will be attractive like nothing else in this world."
I'm sorry, but this sounds so incredibly wrong headed to me. The Gospel is to love the Lord our God with all our hearts and minds and souls...and our neighbor as ourselves. We cannot say that we love God whom we cannot see if we don't love our brothers and sisters whom we CAN see. There are an awful lot of issues which are either commensurate with "the mere Gospel" or so impact the spoken Gospel as to (might as well) be "first bucket" issues. Our political parties--both of them--are so corrupt and so evil and so secular that voting for either of them is probably downright sinful. I'm no longer even sure that we can speak of "the lesser of two evils." It's a lot more difficult to talk about "the lesser of two abominations." How exactly am I supposed to worship with someone who can glibly excuse overt racism in their candidate? How can I sing a hymn of praise with someone who champions the ripping of unborn babies from their mothers' wombs? Dr. Platt talks as if one party's making lynching legal again would not alienate his black congregants who realized that white congregants voted for that party. We ARE in a culture war, for goodness' sake! We are in a battle for the continued existence of the church. So, no, I'm sorry but I am NOT going to excuse my black brothers and sisters for unambiguously embracing secular, Gospel-denying methods of fighting social injustice. I am NOT going to excuse my white brothers and sisters for a "colorblind" indifference to racial injustice. I'm not going to excuse ANYBODY for voting for pro-choice candidates or candidates who further the same-sex/transgender agenda that is eating our younger generations alive. We have become the worst of sinners...and it's about time we confront our despicable condition. Repentance is the first order of the day. Not "getting along."
while I agree with you that both political parties in America are corrupted to the core, I disagree with your assessment of the Gospel which you state is loving God and loving people; that's not Gospel, that is the LAW... please know the difference, the Gospel is the good news that Jesus came and became man, lived a sinless life, and died on a cross to pay the penalty of sin for all mankind (even racists) and anyone who accepts Christ's sacrifice for the payment of their sins can be brought back to spiritual life, be sanctified by God's grace and someday go to Heaven. I pray you are able to make this distinction between faith and works and that others are not deceived by works-based faiths... which there are many, but true Christianity is not one of them.
@@adamjohns78 Thanks for the correction. If anyone misinterpreted my words, I am truly sorry. In my defense, it has become popular to define “the gospel” as merely having to do with regeneration. But salvation is of Christ from start to finish. Indeed, he has created our good works beforehand that we should walk in them. So, if you are labeling “the gospel” as just referring to regeneration, then-under that rubric-I can fully agree with you. I fervently reject a works-based path to salvation. But that is not how Scripture uniformly refers to the gospel. Look at the following text: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all.” Evidently, living in the grace of Christ…sanctification…should be considered part of a larger category, also labeled “gospel.” The Reformers spoke of three remaining uses for the law. Surely, you’re not espousing that we have no works, that we continue to sin that grace may abound. If you do so, you are in danger of becoming Antinomian, which is at least as bad as the Legalism you were accusing me of. Works ARE evidence of a genuine conversion, are they not? When I see Christians acting in a thoroughly secular way, I start wondering about the sincerity of their faith. If they act as if Trump is their political Messiah and start relying on him to “save the day,” they are seriously misguided. If they copy his often racist rhetoric, they are not following Christ. Similarly, if Christians cannot see that to promote the Democratic Party is to support some absolutely monstrous policies…if they cannot tell that CRT is not biblical (that it is not, in all honesty, even anti-racist), they are mired in real sludge when it comes to their spiritual maturity. Both parties are utterly secular and utterly unbiblical. Evangelicals need to stick together to point this out to a society that is increasingly wayward. We need to completely condemn the tribalism and division…and excoriate the serious flaws inherent on both sides of the aisle. (Platt is fanning the flames here by indicting the authoritarianism of “Christian Nationalists” without assailing the equally illiberal and tyrannical nature of the Left.)
This is putting words and ideas in my story. I “came out” to 4 women at a Bible study last night. 😂 I Love my church and appreciate that there isn’t a political message from the podium. Though there are Fox News-esque rhetoric occasionally wafting around social moments after Bible study, for example. I have usually changed, as gracefully as I could, the subject, or simply listened to understand. I was respectful and gentle when I said, well, I’m a democrat and I think the gender issue is a problem, and I know people who deal with their varied experiences are suffering and struggling to find their way in life. Seeking and being respected and valued is the bottom line. It’s complicated and, first of all, compassion. I don’t remember exactly how I worded my opinion but it felt good to stop hiding that I don’t espouse the same political views and I have a liberal and accepting heart for people who I hear being harshly and wrongly judged. Christ is where we connect and we disagree with certain convenient interpretations of the Bible that justify division and don’t attract G-d’s children to connect with His precious church. I hope this makes sense. You are helping me to make sense of my heart.
I listen to this and wonder when all of it stopped being common sense. Sigh. Also, I have wondered about how fast millennials have taken over church leadership roles. Maybe they should be leading based on demographic studies, but isn’t it Biblical for “elders” to lead churches and “older women” to teach younger women? Are these principles being ignored? Not denying that some older leaders may be toxic, but toxicity cuts across all generations.
I appreciate your hearts, brothers, but yes you are still quite woke which is PARTIALITY, forbidden by God's Word. Christ did not come to save us from injustice, or poverty or oppression. Jesus came to save us from SIN, and not OTHERS sin, but OUR SIN. Wokeness is seeing the log in others which again Jesus taught against. No one has sinned against us more than we have sinned against God ourselves. Our biggest problem is OUR sin, a biblical teaching Wokeness completely rejects. Platt is totally fixated still on racism - again, when you elevate particular sins over others, you are sinning in partiality, which you actually (I'm glad!) you admitted when talking about sanctity of the unborn. Yes we must submit to the whole counsel of God. God does hold life sacred, which you were blind to, you admit. This is the fruit of wokeness, the fruit of error, blindness to God's truth. God does NOT hold "multi-ethnic" church as a mandate, so you are adding LAW to Grace, again, this is sin. The progressive go-to verse that "There is neither Jew nor Gentile" is not about ethnicity, but Covenant. The old covenant that blessed Israel has been replaced by a new Covenant that welcomes the Gentiles into God's Family. The Gospel is not all churches SHOULD be multi-ethnic. The Gospel is that anyone can come to faith in Christ. And Christ will sovereignty build His Church, as multi ethnic as He desires, not man, not to virtual signal to the world. Sirs, you are both blind guides and someone needs to say it. If you are working to please the world by making sure you look virtuous in the world's estimation, you are not a leader, you are following the world. You are not shepherds, but hirelings or worse, possibly wolves in God's church. Probably you both need to meditate on ask God to reveal why James wrote this. I suspect you've never even considered it, let alone why we should obey this and in what context: James 4:4 "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
If wokeness is seeing the log in others eyes you are seeing some pretty big logs in these men's eyes. You say that Jesus did not come to save us from injustice yet he rebuked the Pharisees for neglecting justice. He directed Zachariah to administer true justice. He told Jeremiah that "I am the Lord, who exercises kindness, ON EARTH". And what did Isaiah prophesy about him? Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. justice and righteousness on earth
I reject Stonewall event and what it brought about, in Jesus Christ's Pure Name. Hey there. I am Om River. I have recently started my own channel (OM RIVER) to honour Jesus Christ my Lord. I have one posting called Transgenderism. In it I share something about my own personal spiritual experience at age 13 around an evil spirit trying to draw me firstly into homosexuality and then at age 20 into transitioning to a woman. I am a messianic Jew who teaches. I've taught several tomboys over the years who are happy in their skins. I'm glad I never had an adult yapping in my ear about transgenderism or homosexuality and that I had a chance to work things out for myself with the help of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Adults who get involved often have their own selfish agendas. I'm now a grandfather and have always been very happy. Amen
What a beautiful conversation! Just came across this, and what a blessing it was to my heart. We shouldn’t be dividing, we should be reaching out to people who don’t agree and show them the love of Christ. That’s more important
"it certainly is the water we're swimming in" ❤😊❤ so true!!
Thank you, David and Carey. Great job
What a great conversation. I love what David says....ask God for wisdom and boldness. I'll be sharing this!
Pastor Platt, I am purchasing your book this week and I pray that your message touches the heart of so many in the American (Global also) church. So many need to hear this. Thank u both! 💯🎯
dont do it!
Hearing pastors speak like this hurts my heart because they are so ignorant about the facts. Pastor Platt is so hung up on racism, but he needs to follow his advice and listen to some Thomas Sowell. He is buying the narrative sold by one political side, and then accusing others of doing the same thing! It's like people who start an argument, and when you disagree with them, they accuse you of being argumentative. The two speakers here also cover their pride in how they have handled these issues by subtly (or maybe not so subtly) accusing churches who have been vocal about the dangers of "wokeness" as basically being racist or classist... because obviously, the only possible reason a pastor or church would speak against things like the gay agenda, transgenderism, or abortion is that they want to perpetuate their own social and political advantages. Maybe, just maybe, there are pastors who actually believe that those things are morally evil and should be called sin. Maybe, just maybe, these "non-woke" churches are simply trying to remain faithful to biblical teaching. I am not aware of how a white pastor benefits by discouraging abortion, a sin that is hurting other ethnic groups much more than his own. I am not sure how a white pastor benefits from calling homosexuality a sin in a society that threatens to delete anyone who dares to not enthusiastically support it. Maybe, just maybe, Pastor Platt is the political actor, after all, a mouthpiece being used to silence anyone brave enough to challenge the current norms. Maybe not taking a stand is taking a stand. Maybe it is the wrong one. Maybe?
Why wouldn't anybody completely reject racism?
Yes let them stay bigoted and watch religion go to the outside and have no power .please
Excellent analysis. This is not helpful at all . Standing against evil is not racist or idolatry.
@@debbiereilly8563what’s your opinion on platt now?
After fellowshipping with those whose shared worldview, politics and faith are SO tightly woven, I find I don't know how the Gospel works, if I ever did. Just have to believe that it does, that He does.
Hello Carey. I am a Pastor and a huge fan. In minute 34, there is conversation about Church growth. I used to work in sales/marketing/management before experiencing a call to Seminary in the Lutheran Church. At 54 years of age and 10 years in ministry, I have to question how we define Church growth. Is increasing the number of worshipers considered growth (even at the expense of our message)? An old word of wisdom comes to mind. "Sitting in a church makes you as much of a Christian as sitting in a garage makes you a car." I am concerned that Church growth is often defined by butts in the seat and dollars in the plate (institutional/company growth in the capitalistic sense) rather than spiritual/kingdom growth. Maybe the two can't be easily separated. Thoughts?
I rejoice in the Christ-like humility of my President and his wonderful wife. They represent the best of the coming together of the native born and the immigrant experience.
@Carey Nieuwhof and David, what are your thoughts on which bucket the essentiality of embodied communal worship of God among believers falls? For those of us who watched as our churches kept their doors closed for extended periods of time during Covid, do you think pleading with church leadership to open the doors is a bucket 1, 2 or 3 type issue?
Good luck with those lawsuits Dave. No matter what you have already been exposed. Hireling.
So many amens!!!
Great shirt.
Radical comment here. Have you considered that the polarization, the growing racial/gender divisions, are deliberate? To result in a weaker America? Because we certainly are that. A hopeful thought may be Christians are not the enemy, squabbling within, (though we are, unfortunately) but are perhaps under attack so we will just fade away. Thank you for the thoughtful conversation.
It’s inevitable- it’s been written, must come to pass. Loved waxed cold. Lovers of self. Good bad/bad good, sons turning in fathers… repeatedly until it climaxes right before NWO, which is (if half of us have it right) preceded by His return.
Maybe God’s plan includes having America fade away.
What evidence is there that it is deliberate?
After thinking about this, I wonder if the Lord would have us put justice in the third bucket? It may increase unity in the local church to leave justice issues unaddressed, but I am not seeing it biblically. It seems like those justice discussions should be happening within the leadership who can make decisions and lead the church in this confusing time to let the river of justice flow.
Great Conversation-thank you!
I have a question: I heard someone say - don't run to speak into areas that God has not given you authority in... and I wonder how that applies to this conversation??? Cos I found it good counsel. but my application here means I will talk about these things in my community but I won't take to the streets to talk about it? Any thoughts?
David hasn’t been oversees. I spent time oversee’s and they segregate way more than we do. This is not an American thing, it’s a human thing. God told me not to be concerned about the color of our skin. It’s about the style of worship that is why we have this “segregation.”
You are wrong. He has been.
"When we show the distinction that Jesus and the gospel create in a beautiful way that astounds like Ephesians 3 even all in the spiritual realm, the manifold wisdom of God in His design for the church.... let's show that and I'm convinced that the offense of the Gospel will still be there but will be attractive like nothing else in this world."
I'm sorry, but this sounds so incredibly wrong headed to me. The Gospel is to love the Lord our God with all our hearts and minds and souls...and our neighbor as ourselves. We cannot say that we love God whom we cannot see if we don't love our brothers and sisters whom we CAN see. There are an awful lot of issues which are either commensurate with "the mere Gospel" or so impact the spoken Gospel as to (might as well) be "first bucket" issues. Our political parties--both of them--are so corrupt and so evil and so secular that voting for either of them is probably downright sinful. I'm no longer even sure that we can speak of "the lesser of two evils." It's a lot more difficult to talk about "the lesser of two abominations."
How exactly am I supposed to worship with someone who can glibly excuse overt racism in their candidate? How can I sing a hymn of praise with someone who champions the ripping of unborn babies from their mothers' wombs? Dr. Platt talks as if one party's making lynching legal again would not alienate his black congregants who realized that white congregants voted for that party. We ARE in a culture war, for goodness' sake! We are in a battle for the continued existence of the church. So, no, I'm sorry but I am NOT going to excuse my black brothers and sisters for unambiguously embracing secular, Gospel-denying methods of fighting social injustice. I am NOT going to excuse my white brothers and sisters for a "colorblind" indifference to racial injustice. I'm not going to excuse ANYBODY for voting for pro-choice candidates or candidates who further the same-sex/transgender agenda that is eating our younger generations alive. We have become the worst of sinners...and it's about time we confront our despicable condition. Repentance is the first order of the day. Not "getting along."
while I agree with you that both political parties in America are corrupted to the core, I disagree with your assessment of the Gospel which you state is loving God and loving people; that's not Gospel, that is the LAW... please know the difference, the Gospel is the good news that Jesus came and became man, lived a sinless life, and died on a cross to pay the penalty of sin for all mankind (even racists) and anyone who accepts Christ's sacrifice for the payment of their sins can be brought back to spiritual life, be sanctified by God's grace and someday go to Heaven. I pray you are able to make this distinction between faith and works and that others are not deceived by works-based faiths... which there are many, but true Christianity is not one of them.
@@adamjohns78 Thanks for the correction. If anyone misinterpreted my words, I am truly sorry. In my defense, it has become popular to define “the gospel” as merely having to do with regeneration. But salvation is of Christ from start to finish. Indeed, he has created our good works beforehand that we should walk in them.
So, if you are labeling “the gospel” as just referring to regeneration, then-under that rubric-I can fully agree with you. I fervently reject a works-based path to salvation.
But that is not how Scripture uniformly refers to the gospel. Look at the following text:
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all.”
Evidently, living in the grace of Christ…sanctification…should be considered part of a larger category, also labeled “gospel.” The Reformers spoke of three remaining uses for the law. Surely, you’re not espousing that we have no works, that we continue to sin that grace may abound. If you do so, you are in danger of becoming Antinomian, which is at least as bad as the Legalism you were accusing me of. Works ARE evidence of a genuine conversion, are they not?
When I see Christians acting in a thoroughly secular way, I start wondering about the sincerity of their faith. If they act as if Trump is their political Messiah and start relying on him to “save the day,” they are seriously misguided. If they copy his often racist rhetoric, they are not following Christ. Similarly, if Christians cannot see that to promote the Democratic Party is to support some absolutely monstrous policies…if they cannot tell that CRT is not biblical (that it is not, in all honesty, even anti-racist), they are mired in real sludge when it comes to their spiritual maturity.
Both parties are utterly secular and utterly unbiblical. Evangelicals need to stick together to point this out to a society that is increasingly wayward. We need to completely condemn the tribalism and division…and excoriate the serious flaws inherent on both sides of the aisle. (Platt is fanning the flames here by indicting the authoritarianism of “Christian Nationalists” without assailing the equally illiberal and tyrannical nature of the Left.)
@@adamjohns78 is denying yourself and taking up the cross and follow Him Works?? Sanctification regeneration does take a lot of work
This is putting words and ideas in my story. I “came out” to 4 women at a Bible study last night. 😂
I Love my church and appreciate that there isn’t a political message from the podium. Though there are Fox News-esque rhetoric occasionally wafting around social moments after Bible study, for example. I have usually changed, as gracefully as I could, the subject, or simply listened to understand. I was respectful and gentle when I said, well, I’m a democrat and I think the gender issue is a problem, and I know people who deal with their varied experiences are suffering and struggling to find their way in life. Seeking and being respected and valued is the bottom line. It’s complicated and, first of all, compassion.
I don’t remember exactly how I worded my opinion but it felt good to stop hiding that I don’t espouse the same political views and I have a liberal and accepting heart for people who I hear being harshly and wrongly judged. Christ is where we connect and we disagree with certain convenient interpretations of the Bible that justify division and don’t attract G-d’s children to connect with His precious church.
I hope this makes sense.
You are helping me to make sense of my heart.
Well, in this political climate that was brave. Just don't know how in the world Christians defend Democratic ideology.
I listen to this and wonder when all of it stopped being common sense. Sigh. Also, I have wondered about how fast millennials have taken over church leadership roles. Maybe they should be leading based on demographic studies, but isn’t it Biblical for “elders” to lead churches and “older women” to teach younger women? Are these principles being ignored? Not denying that some older leaders may be toxic, but toxicity cuts across all generations.
I appreciate your hearts, brothers, but yes you are still quite woke which is PARTIALITY, forbidden by God's Word.
Christ did not come to save us from injustice, or poverty or oppression. Jesus came to save us from SIN, and not OTHERS sin, but OUR SIN. Wokeness is seeing the log in others which again Jesus taught against. No one has sinned against us more than we have sinned against God ourselves. Our biggest problem is OUR sin, a biblical teaching Wokeness completely rejects.
Platt is totally fixated still on racism - again, when you elevate particular sins over others, you are sinning in partiality, which you actually (I'm glad!) you admitted when talking about sanctity of the unborn. Yes we must submit to the whole counsel of God.
God does hold life sacred, which you were blind to, you admit. This is the fruit of wokeness, the fruit of error, blindness to God's truth.
God does NOT hold "multi-ethnic" church as a mandate, so you are adding LAW to Grace, again, this is sin.
The progressive go-to verse that "There is neither Jew nor Gentile" is not about ethnicity, but Covenant.
The old covenant that blessed Israel has been replaced by a new Covenant that welcomes the Gentiles into God's Family.
The Gospel is not all churches SHOULD be multi-ethnic. The Gospel is that anyone can come to faith in Christ. And Christ will sovereignty build His Church, as multi ethnic as He desires, not man, not to virtual signal to the world.
Sirs, you are both blind guides and someone needs to say it. If you are working to please the world by making sure you look virtuous in the world's estimation, you are not a leader, you are following the world. You are not shepherds, but hirelings or worse, possibly wolves in God's church.
Probably you both need to meditate on ask God to reveal why James wrote this. I suspect you've never even considered it, let alone why we should obey this and in what context:
James 4:4 "You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
If wokeness is seeing the log in others eyes you are seeing some pretty big logs in these men's eyes.
You say that Jesus did not come to save us from injustice yet he rebuked the Pharisees for neglecting justice. He directed Zachariah to administer true justice. He told Jeremiah that "I am the Lord, who exercises kindness, ON EARTH". And what did Isaiah prophesy about him?
Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will bring justice to the nations.
He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.
A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
justice and righteousness on earth
I reject Stonewall event and what it brought about, in Jesus Christ's Pure Name. Hey there. I am Om River. I have recently started my own channel (OM RIVER) to honour Jesus Christ my Lord. I have one posting called Transgenderism. In it I share something about my own personal spiritual experience at age 13 around an evil spirit trying to draw me firstly into homosexuality and then at age 20 into transitioning to a woman. I am a messianic Jew who teaches. I've taught several tomboys over the years who are happy in their skins. I'm glad I never had an adult yapping in my ear about transgenderism or homosexuality and that I had a chance to work things out for myself with the help of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Adults who get involved often have their own selfish agendas. I'm now a grandfather and have always been very happy. Amen
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