You do also have to remember that back when the game was brand new, it was considered more like demon souls. There were many who just decided it was non-canon.
Guys I found a great secret... those two games allow you to roll, I didn't even know you could roll in dark souls 2 since it was a completely different game. It took me by suprise to find out that these 2 games might be connected.
I dont think the Duke’s Dear Freya is a remnant, because when you beat her it says victory achieved. However if you touch the dragon’s remains it will say Great Soul Embraced, meaning that the ancient dragon is actually the remnant of the old lord souls.
Seath has probably degenerated into what Dark Souls II generally calls the Writhing Ruin a kind of force or disease that is constantly looking for it´s hearts desire and that has infected all the Insects within Brightstone Cove and Duke Tseldora as well that could explain why the Spiders occupy the carcass of an ancient Dragon as Seath himself was so obsessed with their Scales The Duke probably performed experiments on his dearest Pet Spider, explaining why she mutated more then the others and presumably became the leader of the pack
All right, to clear things up. Freya is not the remnant of Seath. Seath is alive and possessing her. The idea is that his souls never truly died (maybe because of one of his experiments to immortality) and would possess smaller beings to live. The reason why you don’t get to embrace by his souls is that it never was a great souls in the first place. In DS1, Gwyn gave a shard of his souls to Seath and it is why you had to hunt him. So Freya doesn’t have a great souls but the dead dragon does. Of course only remains of it is left which is enough to open the door. But you can go into his memory to his first fall and then get the full souls. in which behold! He has a great souls.
@@raphicoco mm, true. It was the fragment of Gwyn’s soul in Seath that we collected for the Lordvessel, not necessarily Seath’s own soul. That begs the question: why does the Old Iron King have fragments of the Four Kings in him? Doesn’t really make sense for a big, iron dragon to possess the soul of those Abyss dwellers..
you forgot the "Majestic Greatsword" in Brume's Tower, in a chest at the bottom of the tower that Maldron invades at. Its pretty much just Artorias's Greatsword in both appearance and function. Its a normal greatsword when used normally, but if you have it in your left hand it gets unique moves that are just like the Abyss Greatsword. It even has the abysmal stat requirements you would expect from swords relating to Artorias lmao
The reason it can only be used in the left hand is because artorias was left handed, but when we fight him, he’s using his right arm, which was used to hold his great shield, which means he fought us with a major handicap, and we probably still died to him a lot of the time.
The "child of the dragon" spoken of in the Aged Feather's description is more likely to be Shanalotte, the Emerald Herald. She was given her name by the Ancient Dragon, and she states: "I was born of dragons, contrived by men." I like your speculation/theory about the Hunter's Hat and the real identity of "Evlana".
Also, there's Aldia, the Scholar of the First Sin. "First Sin" refers to Gwyn's sacrifice to rekindle the First Flame, since it was there and then that we got stuck in a cycle that shouldn't be, resulting in the undead curse and the slow crumbling of the world as we see until DS3. Aldia was studying the event, trying to find a 3rd option: choose neither Fire nor Dark, neither kindling the flame nor letting the Abyss consume it. I'm not sure whether Aldia has any hand on this, but I like how we find the third option in DS3.
yep and dont know how and why, after finally he found the way, Aldia gave the trust to The Londor. A Way that the Flame can be controlled with our own will. Like he said "Young Hollow, there are but two paths.. Inherit the order of this world (the purpose of the usurpation of fire ending) or DESTROY IT (he doesnt point out the age of dark but the end of the world. Just imagine if we can do the path of a kind of ending like the Frienzied Flame from Elden Ring lol)"
Nadalia separated her soul into pieces for Raime, the Fume Knight. After he lost to Velstadt he went looking for another king to serve. He went to the old Iron King but he was already gone. He met Nadalia there and they became friends, and she realized his power and separated herself to give it to him. That's why there's 4 Ashen Idols around his chamber and why you get the last piece of her soul when you beat him. She wanted to give him a piece of her and then protect him from dying so she would never be lonely again.
Just a mention. In Irish folklore the consumption of an insect would be how the gods would impregnate a woman. I always kinda connected that to the chaos bug.
Dark Souls 2 has enormous effects on Dark Souls 3. The most noteworthy being the snuffing of the Flame of Chaos. In Dark Souls 2, Eleum Loyce had a portal to the Old Chaos that formed beneath it. The Ivory King descended into the chaos to snuff it out, and the Bearer of the Curse enters and has the portals frozen over by the Loyce Knights who he rescues. In Dark Souls 3, Demonkind is being eradicated because the flame of chaos has sputtered out. The Old Demon King is the last major vestige of chaotic power, and after him the Demon Princes are left to pick up the scraps. In the boss fight with the Old Demon King you can see mountains of demon corpses. Demonkind, once a plague, is now a dying race. Tangentially, ice magic originates in Eleum Loyce, and that has some unspoken connection to the Painting of Ariandel and subsequently Pontiff Sulyvahn. Who is the motive force for all major world events in Dark Souls 3. Unrelated: The Old Dragonslayer is probably the real Ornstein, because the Ornstein you fight in Anor Londo is an illusion. This was confirmed by the fact that Ornstein shows up and leaves his armor behind at the Nameless King's place.
@@SconesSmile Actually it still could be. As Old Dragonslayer is an optional fight in DS2 and From Soft has shown multiple times that non-mandatory fights don't happen in the canon, as shown by Gwyndolin being alive long enough to be devoured by Aldritch in DS3 even though you can kill him in DS1.
There is no "confirmed" in the souls games lol. There's circumstantial references, hints, suggestions, etc. but there is pretty much nothing that is actually confirmed. There's dozens of different plausible theories, based on a paragraph of lore. That's what makes Dark souls so memorable: Fromsoft gave us snippets, fragments of a story, and then we assemble it in our own way. That's why it's silly to have the know it all wannabes, who comment "you're wrong. This lore says blah, blah, blah, which PROVES you're wrong". There's a handful of things in the entire series that are confirmed, the rest is up to interpretation by the player 🙂
Or the flame of chaos is dying out because literally everything is dying out in DS3. It's a major theme of the game; every instance doesn't have to be explained through cross references.
the way I see it, It seems that each of the Ancient Lords has passed down either a curse or a Legacy of some sort: -Gravelord Nito seems to leave behind his desire to shepherd the dead together into the dark to let them slumber -Seath: leaves behind his aching craving, for the things his heart covets (probably takes shape as the writhing ruin) -The Witch: since the Parasite is still around, I guess the Witch's consciousness has endured and is seeking a new vessel, could also be an offspring though -The Kings: this one is the most vague, as most people associate it more with Gwyn himself but I suppose a Legacy, or curse of these Four Lords could be their sheer Ambition and naive Search for greater strength, loosing themselves and sacrificing their humanity in the process As for the present four Great Ones: these I guess are beings, that inherited these legacies/curses, the four Lords of Lordran are part of their being, but not all of it -The Rotten, possibly a thrown away thrall of Aldias making, that scavenges for everything lost and forgotten and is now like a perversion of the God it may be shaped after, probably seeking for solace through unison of the many, but unlike Nito, the unfortunates it adorns it´self with are not dead, and furthermore seem to be unwilling to be a part of it, disputing and crying in their now miserable existence -Freja was Duke Tseldoras Pet Spider and is afflicted with the Writhing Ruin, which is what may have driven her to nest in the carcass of an Ancient Dragon and make her Offspring animate the carcasses of their victims as if they were alive again, which can be seen as an act of Sadism and Madness, and like a mocking to the concept of Life or Immortality for that matter -The Sinner: judging by her Gear, seems to have been a Pyromancer who was enticed by the Witch and led on to do things she would later lock herself away for, and now seeks penance for this Sin, writing Scriptures and mutters in the dark, trapped and possessed with and by the one who caused her to Sin in the first place -The King: An ambitious conqueror who sought after power above all else, eventually begins to take Questionable advice, creating a spiral that eventually ends with he himself becoming what looks to be some kind of Demon - on that note I think the Lost Sinners "Sin" and the Kings transformation might have something to do with each other I don´t know why my comments always get so lengthy when talking about Lore and stuff but hey, some good old speculation never hurts I guess
The Sinner tried to link the flame, I'm not sure if she failed and therefore punishes herself for it, or if she realized the folly of her actions and decided to endure a penance imposed by herself. Just like the Witch, she tried to mess with the flame. The Old Iron King, like the Four Kings, started meddling with the soul, the Kings with the art of Lifedrain; and the Iron King with the use of the Iron Scepter, manipulated souls to make his Iron Constructs become living beings. The five kings transgressed the "sanctity" of the soul. It's been awhile since I last dived into DS2 lore, so I may be wrong.
@Tyrant Edgelord Wasn't chaos kind of always there? Like a primal force that gathers strength over time, hence why Alsanna says that the Old Chaos hungers still. It cannot be contained, only controlled.
I'm so glad to see more people know just how connected ds1 and 2 really are. It seems like arguments about this game are more about whether disconnectedness is good or bad, forgetting that thats not even what Ds2 is.
I've noticed most of the "objective" arguments made against DS2 are criticisms that can easily be made against the other Souls games. Things like easily exploitable AI, weird hitboxes, dev time cut short resulting in cut content/significant changes to the game, ect. At this point I'm starting to believe the real reason DS2 gets so much hate is because no one liked ADP. From Demon's Souls to Sekiro, Dark Souls 2 probably has the most irritating dodging mechanics (don't worry DS3, you aren't far behind). I'm sure if dodging felt better (especially in the early game) DS2 would have been better received and maybe people would be able to focus more on all the great things DS2 actually did right.
@@ReelBigFan To be honest a huge part of what made DS2 feel clunky at first were a combination of two things, one, the animations are really bad compared to ds1/3. I think they were mocapped instead of animated in the same way they are so the animations either feel too smooth for what they are (Maces), or way too clumsy (Greataxes). And another awful thing is most likely just to do with the steam port on mouse and keyboard. The controls by default have double click turned on whenever you boot up the game, even though it says double click is disabled. This makes single click inputs comically unresponsive, with even up to a second of delay, as the game waits to see if you double clicked, and if you click twice too quickly the game cancels your input altogether. These are minor gripes, and nowadays I remember to turn of double click every time I open the game.
@oohanalligator I played SOTFS primarily, never touched the original release after finishing DS1 shortly before buying 2. On my first playthrough I liked the game. Didnt love it, but didnt hate it either. But on newer playthroughs, with my most recent one being last month, I started to hate the game more and more due to its clunkyness, weird gamedesign decisions, cut content, enemy placements, amount of enemies and outright broken and also weird battle system at times that is affected more by adaptability than skill. [With weird I mean the dualweilding of weapons, which does little to impact the actual gameplay and is just fancy looking at best.] DS2 isnt a bad game. But it isnt the creme of the crop either. I remember how I, a year ago, beat all bosses of DS2 SOTFS. I finished off with Smelter Demon 2.0 and it was such a frustrating experience that after I finally finished the fight, I straight up uninstalled the game laughing because it was finally over because the game had made me that angry. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT compare DS1+DS3 to DS2. They are not comparable based on a sheer gameplay standard. If you like the game, thats fine by me. Heck even I like DS2. But that doesnt change that DS1 and DS3 are largely more enjoyable in terms of gameplay alone.
@@GikamesShadow I can compare them. I'd even go as far as saying that Dark Souls 3 feels worse gameplay-wise than Dark Souls 2. Mainly because I think it tries too hard to be Bloodborne and it just doesn't work for me. Dark Souls 2 is much more in line with the previous two games when it comes to gameplay, especially combat and stamina management.
@@ReelBigFan the problem is that while some Ds2 criticisms can be shared between the other games in the series, they are much more common in Ds2. For example, ds1 had its fair share of bad hitboxes, in ds3 you can count them with one hand and in Ds2 every 10th hit you take was a bad hitbox. And even then Ds2 has a load of objective problems not present in the other games like 8-directional movement and extremely punishing fall damage. I also suspect that a lot of hated mechanics like health gems and an overabundance of souls were implemented to cover up other bad design decisions like ADP being absolutely necessary for any build, endurance gank fests that Ds2 loves so much and bosses that deal incremental damage by just looking at you. I don't mind that you like this game, I got some enjoyment out of it as well, it's certainly not trash but it is the worst game in the series and that's an objective measurable fact.
I actually love DS2 approaching references in this more subtle way. Things are radically different, but also eerily the same. It makes it feel like you're walking in the previous games footsteps, but millenia in the future. I think this works with the themes of the series much more than DS3's "everyone is here!" approach.
That's exactly how I always looked at it. Dark Souls 2 gives off the vibe that so much time has past that all of the beings and names from the original are mere legend at this point. Nobody even remembers their names. Dark Souls 3 feels like it could be a week later than the original.
@@LtSprinkulz I wouldn't say that it feels nothing like a Dark Souls game per say. The combat is faster paced, but the mechanics and lore are Dark Souls all day. In my opinion Dark Souls 3 feels too much like a been there done that sort of scenario.
it may be somewhat subtle, yet it is much worse than the majority of ds3. ds2 feels very cheap in that regard. in ds3, even if its the same place...more or less, you will the time that has passed. places change over time. ds2 is so far away, those small things shouldnt be there and you know it. its terrible
DS2 was like The Last Jedi. Tried a lot of new things, some of which worked, some of which didn't, and some of which were straight up baffling and insane. DS3 is like Rise of Skywalker, just a big, heaping mound of fan service to appease the people who hated the second one.
I love Dark Souls 2, but I hate how some people say the connections to Dark Souls 1 are either fanservice, or just "there". People have way too much hate for DS2, in my opinion
@@evanseifert8858 yeah, I figure Old Dragonslayer was just fanservice, but at this point we really can't tell if it was or not, since we can't ask them, and the lore is already quite vague
@@bjaminrowe Because when DS3 does it, it's with a purpose. It completed the plotlines of Gwyndolin, the Way of White and Izalith, it expanded on Gwyn's firstborn's lore and the Painted World's, it showed how the legend of Artorias developed and gained traction even when it was revealed it was a failure, or how the world reacted to the Chosen Undead's linking of the flame by having a kingdom built around that practice. That's good world-building. Even small stuff like Andre being in the game isn't just there for reference. He reveals he actually met the giant blacksmith, therefore 1) he has been to Irithyll (which is a funny meta reference), 2) it explains why he has gotten better at blacksmithing. Meanwhile, the entire first half of DS2 is dedicated to killing references to the big bosses of DS1, which is barely related to the actual plot of the game of finding a cure for undeath. You just do it because there is rubble in the way to the castle. Having 3 lordsouls just magically come back is not only lore-breaking, but also hypocritical in a game which constantly reminds you how everything about 1 has been forgotten. There is a difference between what DS2 does, just rip Ornstein from 1, paint it black and put him alone in a bossroom, and what DS3 does, taking the firstborn character mentioned in 1, and creating a well-done bossfight with him. This isn't to say DS3 is perfect and DS2 is horrible. They both have flaws and strengths, those flaws mostly tied to shitty developments. DS3 is a direct sequel to 1, and is built around that. DS2 is in between being a sequel and its own thing (probably do to how they had essentially remake the game from start midway through development), and really suffers from that. To be fair, it had the worst development of the series, but that's hardly an excuse.
The rank up rewards for the Sunlight Covenant is a small shield with a design of a sunrise on it, Sunlight Spear, and a weapon called a Sun Sword, which belonged to Solaire
Ds2 has the most change in environment and enemies, that’s why it’s my favourite, it feels like your in the world while in ds3 and one you will be staring at castle walls and undead people for 99% of it
I'm another DS2 SotFS fan. I pretty much just disliked the level of fanservice in DS3, where many locations and people reappeared without any explanation why.
@@starhalv2427 because ds2 decided to drop almost everything related to ds1 doesn't mean the readopting it is fanservice, Miyazaki didn't made ds2, just another random dude, and he decided to drop all the things from ds1, not Miyazaki, he had to fix that in ds3, maybe that's why ds2 fans call it fanservice
@@starhalv2427 i mean, this video shows exactly how much fan service was in DS2. It's less direct than DS3, but everything ties back to the first game in one way or another.
There is another reference (which may not be one) well hidden with the Pilgrims of Dark. Grandal, the one who welcomes us to the Covenant, shares the same clothes and the same voice actor as the red sorcerer who flooded New Londo in DS1. This is only a theory but it is likely that a Special Order of Wizards endured between DS1 and 2, linked to Dark control and potentially linked to Velka and the dragons. Velka because the DS1 sorcerer's mask recalls the figure of a crow (it is also a reference to the Venetian doctors during the plague), and the dragons because Grandal used and gives us the Dragon Chime directly linked to dragons of course. In addition to that we can find the set of Velka priests in the Dragon Earies at the end of the game.
Correction: You dont need 4 great souls to open the door You can also collect enough souls to get past it Whether this is intentional by lore or not, this heavily implies that the lordsouls are not neccesary anymore (And considering the fact that the lordvessel is broken too, that makes a lot more sense on top as well) Additionally: The God of Sun is not Solaire, its Gwyn.
Yes if you collect the 4 great souls the door of the Shrine of Winter opens automatically, if you collect at least 1 milion souls you can open the door yourself.
If I remember correctly a theory and lore implication was that ornstein left smough and his position because he was following the nameless king that why in DS3 you find his set in the dragons peak
-Ornifex mentions that a "pale beast" was the source of her soul transformations technique, implying it to Seath, or possibly Priscilla -Vendrick at one point repeats the opening lines of Dark Souls 1
A nice little additional connection with Nito and the Rotten is that the weapon you can get from the Old Dead One’s Soul is wielded by Agdayne when you summon him.
Something I also find interesting that Seath was grantes the title of Duke. So the *Dukes* dear freya is perhaps more of a reference than we think. I've not yet played Ds2 and have no clue about freyas lore so I might be wrong, but I still think it's nifty.
The lightning spear description wasn't referencing Solaire it was referencing Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight which is why it said "God of Sun". Solaire isn't even a god.
I really like the small detail of the shattered Lordvessel in DS2 as it could be an explanation to why the old souls make an appearance. Perhaps after it shattered, these souls escaped in search of powerful souls to attach to. At least it makes more sense than Seath being able to take multiple forms since he was presumably bullied or looked down upon for his condition, and he had no immortality of his own.
The great thing about DS2 is that it wasn’t just another retelling of the same story from the first, much like DS3 had been. Yeah sure it had some clunky gameplay and whatnot, but when DS3 went right back into all the same DS1 content over again it seemed like they were just trying to push DS2 off to the side
You are aware that the main team didnt handle DS2 and that is why the story is different right? I am not trying to be a D*ck but, you are aware of this right?
@@GikamesShadow kind of true, miyazaki supervised ds2 development for a while and then started to work on bloodborne while they were still finishing ds2 and he came back to supervise scholar of the first sin, he wasnt the director of ds2 but he did work in ds2.
@@nuprahtor DS2 is more like the middle part of the story imo, introducing the cycles the entirety of Dark Souls 3 is based off and focusing hard on the actual undead curse.
@@dreamz1417 Fair enough, DS1 started the idea of linking the First Flame, DS2 showed us various kingdoms that happen to relink the First Flame again (with the whole overarching Aldia plot), and DS3 shows us what happens when you artificially prolong the life of the First Flame which should have been dead back in DS1's era. I called it a sidestory because the developers tried to create lands that are from from Lordran, exploring the world outside of Gwyn's kingdom, while DS3 shows what happens to some of the locations from DS1. Though, there are some connections between DS1 and DS2's areas, but I think they are thematical and not geographical (not to mention the weird dream-like state of DS2's world which I really like). I'm inclined to believe that some of the places in DS2 are the far kingdoms mentioned in DS1
So let me see if i get this right. While the 1st and 3rd game focus on the plot of the linking of the fire, the reason the second game feels disconnected is because contrary to the others, the main story is focusing on the consequences of the death of manus all while taking place in a new era presumably during an age of fire?
In interesting coincidence occurs to me. Each of the four bosses that need to be defeated to open the Shrine of Winter seems to be associated with one of the Lord Souls needed for the Lord Vessel in DS1. One of those Lord Souls was that of the Four Kings, and which DS2 boss seems to be associated with the Four Kings? The Old Iron King. Except... is it really _just_ the Old Iron King? Is it a coincidence that the four shards of Manus' soul sought out four kings? Perhaps it's not just the Old Iron King, but also the Sunken King, the Ivory King, and Vendrick himself who each inherited the legacy of the Four Kings. The shards of the Father of the Abyss sought out the heirs to the Four Kings of the Abyss. Maybe.
If we skip forwards to DS3, it makes sense that the Old Dragonslayer doesn’t have Smough by his side. Smough stayed behind to guard the Cathedral, whilst Ornstein left to find the Nameless King. Since Heide was a land of light, with lightning wielding knights, it makes perfect sense that Ornstein would be there, trying to find his missing liege. Of course this assumes that Old Dragonslayer is the true Ornstein and not an imitation, but either way, Heide would be the perfect place to find Ornstein as he searches for NK. Dragon Shrine seems to be acutely missing any dragon-slaying gods of war, so that’s probably why Old Dragonslayer wasn’t found there instead.
I have a feeling that the "Old Dragonslayer" is more something that the Heide Knights or the Order of Heide created. Not only is it not pure thunder the OD is using but Dark Thunder instead. This implies heavy corruption in their soul, which can hint at many different things. It is possible Ornstein visited Heides Tower at one point, helped them and then went on towards DS3
Understandable. These days I see more and more people on the reddit saying how they thought it was bad but finally realized how good it is. It's never too late!
The way I see it is when I compare it to other souls games it’s the worst of the bunch but when compared to other games it’s my favorite of them, being the worst of the best is still amazing and I can confidently say that dark souls 2 has so much more content and I couldn’t have certain moments I’ve had unless it’s in ds2
I believe that any ornstein we see in game is either an illusion(DS1) or a copycat of some kind(DS2) since it's assumed that the real ornstein went to archdragonpeak after his master the nameless king and died there
No he wasnt Ornstein went to look for the Nameless King in DS3, you can find his armor near the arena and also context clues and lore indicate heavily that he is the Dragon the Nameless King rides on.
@@GikamesShadow Ornstein had already left Anor Londo before the chosen undead came. And lore implies that, just like Havel, he learned the ways of the occult after Gwyn left so that the other Gods couldn't keep him in Anor Londo anymore without a fight. This fully explains why he uses dark instead of lighting in ds2, and why you find the old Leo ring. He did indeed leave to find the Nameless King, but to find means that Ornstein didn't know where the king was. Therefore he had to search in many places. As for ds1, the only real people left there were Gwendolyn, Smough, and the Giant Blacksmith. Everything else, which is proven after turning Anor Londo to night after hitting Gwynevere, is an illusion.
do the connections between ds1 and ds3. it'll be a 14 hour video lmao but this makes me happy, as polarizing as ds2 is, i am glad it took a more subtle approach to the previous game.
In the Dark Souls 2 Network Test, the Lightning Spear miracle more explicitly references Solaire. Edit: The lacky boss Prowling Magus and Congregation is NOT a Dark Souls 1 reference to Pinwheel, but a Demon's Souls reference to Fool's Idol. Edit 2: Despite no Painted World in Dark Souls 2, a Painting Guardian appears in Aldia's Keep starting in Journey 2 onwards, and has a rare chance to drop the set pieces and weapons.
Pinwheel was inspired from the Fool's Idol boss fight from Demon's Souls anyway, both bosses use magic and make clones of themselves to fight, and both bosses have low HP which makes them easy to kill.
I'm fairly certain a good chunk of these might genuinely just be the result of slightly modifying assets from the first game and reusing them to save development time.
also the fact the ivory king was the only one to redeem there shard of manus is fitting, not only is the ivory king fighting chaos, a form of fire, darks opposite, that like the abyss corrupts nad mutates, thus its fitting hes the one to find a piece of the abyss that doesent corrupt, it also makes sense that he earned her genuine love threw showing her genuine love in kind, the very think manus was seeking out
personally i played ds2 first and when i played dark souls 1 after i immediately realized the connections linking the games and was blown away, really where my love for dark souls became a small obsession
1:00 Ok this is the second video I've heard people say this in, and I don't know why anyone is going along with it. It just isn't true, those statues are in no way identical. The outfit is completely different, the head is different, even the sword has some differences in its shape. The differences are too plentiful and too distinct to write it off as a "different interpretation" or something, they just simply aren't depicting the same figure. Their only similarity is the pose, which is just a generic "sword at rest" pose. Who even started this idea?
Aside from a minor detail or two (someone already commented on the "Warriors of Sunlight" covenant), good video. I mean, I had noticed pretty much everything you cover, but it is a very nice compilation, and your discussion on the fragments of Manus' soul is an interesting take.
DS2 builds upon the world so well. You really feel the weight of the actions of Gwyn and the other lords, but it also feels very distant from it. DS3 did not do as good of a job.
Ds3 did many things wrong but not feeling the effects of Gwyn’s linking of the first flame is absolutely not one of them lmao. The world is collapsing in on itself, abyssal monstrosities are running rampant, the world is dead and decaying and the sun is dying out lmao, what do you mean? Even linking the flame does nothing now. The only world building DS2 did well were the daughters of manus and further elaborating on what exactly manus and the abyss were.
Almost everything in DS3 felt like fan service to me. In DS2 it's just built into the world and most of the inhabitants aren't even aware of the influence.
The rotten is probably the most straightforward connection to his remnant, the similarities are endless -slow moving -similar size -body made of corpses -similar energy color -similar aoe explosion attack
After this video I'm convinced DS2 main point was the 'dark' trying to embrace the cycle Gwyn forced onto the world when he linked the fire to the dark soul. But, the dark doesn't know when to stop, it's always all or nothing, and we see in creatures of the abyss, how it drives them mad. The daughters of Mangus where that outreach, and because the was never given an opportunity to be gentle and calm, they only did what they did out of the emotion they were given.
You make it seem like Lightning Spear is referring to Solaire as the god of the sun, when the description focusing on the “incandescent” detail is just implying a carryover of the folklore surrounding the enduring presence of the Warriors of Sunlight in Drangleic; and that Gwyn the actual lord of sunlight’s name has been forgotten. Ya it’s an obvious reference but why not go ahead and fully explain it to not only avoid confusion but acknowledge that cool detail actually linking the games
Well, i think that Dukes Dear Freja and Seathe are definitely connected. i mean except moonlight sword, its name is literally DUKE'S DEAR and area of Seathe was named the DUKE'S ARCHIVES
Yo, after watching the video, I noticed a certain character in ds2 also followed the same characteristics as the shard waifus, one that picked a certain chosen undead and told them to 'Seek stronger souls' while being shady af. Kinda like how the Shards 'controlled' their kings, you end up being 'controlled' by her. You either end up locked up to preserve the flame or walking into the Dark, which also follows the theme of tragic fates of the kings, with the Dark ending feeling like you allowed Manus to win, so to speak. This could also explain why the Firekeeper kept herself apart from you, because her being the fifth shard, learnt of the first four and their failure to find a true king, and kept herself from bonding to anything other than the 'chosen' undead. Course, that's only my theory, and it's based more on coincidences than anything really concrete, but it's fun to guess what happened lol.
Idk about that one. She straight up tells you that she was made by dragons. There's really nothing linking her to Manus. She also doesn't really control you, she just guides you. She doesn't even tell you what to do with the first flame! Interestingly enough, if we choose to go into the kiln even we as the players don't know whether the bearer of the curse decides to act as fuel for the flame or lets it fade.
@@dreamz1417 She tells you to get souls to get stronger, which all of the kings ended up doing in various ways (aka Vendrick's war with giants or like ivory king who gathered knights to take on chaos). She also hides some kind of power, being able to reach areas like drangelic castle or dragon aerie without much apparent trouble. Not to mention that her being very secretive is falling in line with other shard behavior, keeping it secret they are shards of manus, or attempted to anyway. Yeah, it's not really control she has over you, but you have to admit she does get you to kill the four lord remnants. Also, her prepping you via getting you full of souls then separating is very similar to Nashandra, who used Vendrick as soul factory then let him hide away in far off place from everyone while she goes free. hmmmm... Both get their chosen to collect and use souls, causing many battles in which the results of said battle end in the chosen having to hide away in a faroff place while they get to have the freedom. That seems a bit too coincidental to me, but like I said, it's all based on coincidences, so believe what you want
I feel like Dark Souls II has the most similarities to Dark Souls I because of them trying to tie the two together, even when unnecessary, or just plain fan-service.
I think the same. In Dark Souls III the history of Anor Londo after killing Gwyn is sad, deep and well-written with all the amazing return characters and items when in DSII i have feeling that sometimes they didn't had any fresh ideas so they sad something like "well, lets put here Ornstain but make him a little bit darker and change his name" and in most of the examples they don't have any good story behind those cameos.
One small note. The Duke's Dear Freja is not a remnant of Seath. Its the Duke himself. You pick up her soul detatched from her body. You also find the Duke in his archives... literally referencing The Dukes Archives of DS1. Its always been my headcanon that DS2 takes place several centuries, or even millennia, after DS1 (while DS3 is an alternate reality that only takes place a few decades/centuries after, as most of the geography and events line up). DS2 is effectively "The Bad Ending" of the whole series. Where the cycle never stopped, and the world became lost. Nothing can be done to save this world. You sit on the throne, but your actions wont break this endless nightmare... While DS3 gives you the option for the "Good Ending", where you have the option to end the age of fire once and for all. (Its also my headcanon that the Age of the Erdtree followed some time after... but thats a whole other thing)
If you mean the Duke from DS2 then no because he is literally in the room after the boss. If you meant that Freja is Seath then that makes no sense because we know Freja's backstory and also Seath is dead. Freja can be a spiritual successor to Seath though, like the Rotten is to Nito...
@mekacrab thats.... what I said... but the spider is not the one, its the Duke who is his successor. He just managed to put the paledrake soul into his creation
A little detail I like in ds2 which I think is grossly over looked, is the narratives point of view. Consider this. In ds1 and DS3 we have contact with the gods of old. So all the information is pretty much straight from the source or second hand. The architecture allows for giants and massive beings of great power. In ds2 were told the story from the Humans perspective, passed down many many generations. With alot of the details befoming lost to time. The landscape is far more scaled to travelling human sized rather than the bigger kin of giants and god's. I feel like this switch throws also of people off. Its a very clever detail hidden in plain sight
Shalquoire talks about the 4 ancient lords usually first by talking about those in game then those in ds1. Like the old iron king she says "The human ego, how many ugly iron castles has it erected? And they dont even see the folly of their ways, but thats what makes watching human kind so delightful. It reminds me of a tale of someone long ago. A vainglorious liar who hurled himself into the flames. Now hes Icarus Earth, if i recall." Ds2 handles its connections to ds1 so amazingingly its baffling more people dont talk about it. Also the sunbro covenant statue is in the exact same place as it was in ds1, you can tell from the small walls poking out from the ground and the steps leading up to it.
the explanation i’ve seen that i quite like for ornstein being in ds2 is that he was actually just one of gwyndolin’s illusions in anor londo, and the real guy had left long ago. this could also mean smough is an illusion too, but there’s a way funnier possibility that the real smough has actually still been hanging out in the false anor londo and we do actually kill him there
The best explanation is that the Old Dragonslayer isn't Ornstein, just someone acting like him, maybe an admirer. That's also why he doesn't have the same armor.
1:43 Considering DS2 was famously mismanaged (they originally intended it to be an open world game) I think it's more likely they just didn't get around to including those armour sets.
Cromwell the Pardoner is in Brightstone Cove Tseldora. Which is where Seath's Soul rests with Duke's Dear Freja. The robes of judgement are hidden at Dragon Shrine, which has potential because we know Aldia experimented on dragons, so a worshipper of Velka wears the Robes of Judgement when it comes to dragons. Need more proof? In Ds1, you find the Black Set in the Painted World of Ariamis, which houses Crossbreed Pricilla, who is part dragon. It's weird to me how these sets are both being found right next to or in the general vicinity that are located to something that either associates with dragons (Pricilla, or even Seath) or was humans who were with Dragons (So, Aldia or Gwnevere). It makes sense why Ornifex's house is next to Duke's Dear Freja, which houses Seath's Soul. Also looking at it maybe a bit more weirdly, but the Painted World is right next to Duke's Archives. I say this because Seath is located there, which is her dad. I think those statues Ornifex has in her house are those thst she brought with her outside of the Painted World. I think they made her assets and dolls to signify that because they didn't have time to write her story up more. She even sells some extremely strong magic as well. The Shaded Woods also houses Manscorpion Tark who was involved with Seath. He is a creation of Seath just like Pricilla was. I am streching an olive branch here, but also Oswald of Carim (wears the armor), but he is located at the first bell of awakening right after you ring the bell. He wants something from you, I think he wants to see Seath personally or something to do with Dragons. But what is also weird about this, is that Dragon Aerie also is where you find the Emerald Herald, which is where you get the item that is related to the painted world. The Emerald Herald is also a dragon child. Ok I'm lost now. God danggit.
There is also Darklurker - the most elusive boss of entire game if not whole series. It might be something formed from Humanity's endless fascination and mystery of Dark. The unknown, inscrutable and hidden aspect which of course is dangerous because all those things are feared. I think it is also a shard of Manus, but not shaped by his own personality, but shaped by how it was perceived by others.
5:16 that's not a reference to priscilla, that is a reference to the Emerald Herald, aka Shanalotte, who is a child of dragons. She's even the one that gives you said item so it makes sense that the description is about her. "My name is Shanalotte. The dragon gave me this name, for I was born with none. I was born of dragons, contrived by men. By ones who would cozen fate herself… They are the ones who created me."
So Aldia potentially has connections to Velka. Because Aldia experimented with Dragons at Dragon Shrine? That area is also not far from Brightstone Cove.
Goes to show that even the most hated souls game is still filled with attention to details that some games now a days may lack. May not be my personal favorite but I certainly wouldn’t say I hate it
The lightning spear is referencing Gwyn not Solaire. And the statues are statues of the Nameless King. It bothers me a lot people still havent given up on the "Solaire is Gwyn's lost son" theory even after Dark Souls 3. Think about it, doesnt Solaire being just a regular human make his optimism and power even more inspiring? Doesnt dying in a dark alleyway controlled by a slug sound like a death too pathetic for a God? Solaire was no God or child of them, he was just a man, a great man, that was none the less consumed by the grim world of Dark Souls like so many before him.
"Armor of Solaire of Astora, Knight of Sunlight. The large holy symbol of the Sun, while powerless, was painted by Solaire himself. Solaire's incredible prowess must have come from rigorous training alone, for his equipment exhibits no special traits." He might be just an idiot human...but he happens to be an awfully STRONG idiot! Hah hah hah!
Just to be clear, Mild Mannered Pate is only a replacement for patches, not patches himself. Patches is in games that Hidetaka works on, which Im sure we all knew but felt I had to clarify as to how you worded it.
according to item descriptions smough was the last remaining knight of anor londo and hence was killed by chosen undead but the ornstein we fight in ds1 is not real as he already left anor londo (according to item descriptions) which means ornstein of ds1 was gwyndolin's illusion
“I wonder who Patches will be in Elden Ring”
Patches: how about being myself
One major connection between the two games is that they are both in the “Dark Souls” series.
You do also have to remember that back when the game was brand new, it was considered more like demon souls. There were many who just decided it was non-canon.
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Guys I found a great secret... those two games allow you to roll, I didn't even know you could roll in dark souls 2 since it was a completely different game. It took me by suprise to find out that these 2 games might be connected.
I think you mean the Darkbloodringkiro series.
That's a bit of a stretch imo
It's interesting that ornifex seems to be surrounded by doll parts, since one is required to enter the painted world
Maybe that's why she collects lord souls... hmm...
ooo, she's trying to find a way back?
Can't forget that if you go into the room next to her and look through the window none of the dolls are actually there.
@@Blossemfall oh shit
@@Blossemfall weird, but how do you know the view through the window is what's real?
I dont think the Duke’s Dear Freya is a remnant, because when you beat her it says victory achieved. However if you touch the dragon’s remains it will say Great Soul Embraced, meaning that the ancient dragon is actually the remnant of the old lord souls.
I think it’s actually the duke the one “reincarnated”, after all it’s the theme of the experiments that is important. IMHO.
Seath has probably degenerated into what Dark Souls II generally calls the Writhing Ruin
a kind of force or disease that is constantly looking for it´s hearts desire and that has infected all the Insects within Brightstone Cove and Duke Tseldora as well
that could explain why the Spiders occupy the carcass of an ancient Dragon as Seath himself was so obsessed with their Scales
The Duke probably performed experiments on his dearest Pet Spider, explaining why she mutated more then the others and presumably became the leader of the pack
If you beat freja in ng+ she drops both her soul and old paledrake soul, so she
clearly has remnants of seath.
All right, to clear things up. Freya is not the remnant of Seath. Seath is alive and possessing her. The idea is that his souls never truly died (maybe because of one of his experiments to immortality) and would possess smaller beings to live. The reason why you don’t get to embrace by his souls is that it never was a great souls in the first place. In DS1, Gwyn gave a shard of his souls to Seath and it is why you had to hunt him. So Freya doesn’t have a great souls but the dead dragon does. Of course only remains of it is left which is enough to open the door. But you can go into his memory to his first fall and then get the full souls. in which behold! He has a great souls.
@@raphicoco mm, true. It was the fragment of Gwyn’s soul in Seath that we collected for the Lordvessel, not necessarily Seath’s own soul. That begs the question: why does the Old Iron King have fragments of the Four Kings in him? Doesn’t really make sense for a big, iron dragon to possess the soul of those Abyss dwellers..
you forgot the "Majestic Greatsword" in Brume's Tower, in a chest at the bottom of the tower that Maldron invades at. Its pretty much just Artorias's Greatsword in both appearance and function. Its a normal greatsword when used normally, but if you have it in your left hand it gets unique moves that are just like the Abyss Greatsword. It even has the abysmal stat requirements you would expect from swords relating to Artorias lmao
… and now i need to reinstall DS2 and play it again, THANK YOU!
@@skrotosd moveset of this greatsword is sooooo badass.
I don't even know about it before
Also there are the black knight weapons scattered throughout the world, except the greatsword, the rest are identical
The reason it can only be used in the left hand is because artorias was left handed, but when we fight him, he’s using his right arm, which was used to hold his great shield, which means he fought us with a major handicap, and we probably still died to him a lot of the time.
you mean _"abyss-mal"_ stat requirements?
"At the end of DS1's DLC we face Manus and eventually defeat him."
lol speak for yourself
You just made my day , thank you))))))
if it helps, technically youve already done it, so it's done even if you don't do it!
Git gud
Get sif to help
Shout out to the gamer's that never passed the Artorias filter.
The "child of the dragon" spoken of in the Aged Feather's description is more likely to be Shanalotte, the Emerald Herald. She was given her name by the Ancient Dragon, and she states: "I was born of dragons, contrived by men."
I like your speculation/theory about the Hunter's Hat and the real identity of "Evlana".
Also, there's Aldia, the Scholar of the First Sin. "First Sin" refers to Gwyn's sacrifice to rekindle the First Flame, since it was there and then that we got stuck in a cycle that shouldn't be, resulting in the undead curse and the slow crumbling of the world as we see until DS3. Aldia was studying the event, trying to find a 3rd option: choose neither Fire nor Dark, neither kindling the flame nor letting the Abyss consume it. I'm not sure whether Aldia has any hand on this, but I like how we find the third option in DS3.
yep and dont know how and why, after finally he found the way, Aldia gave the trust to The Londor. A Way that the Flame can be controlled with our own will. Like he said "Young Hollow, there are but two paths.. Inherit the order of this world (the purpose of the usurpation of fire ending) or DESTROY IT (he doesnt point out the age of dark but the end of the world. Just imagine if we can do the path of a kind of ending like the Frienzied Flame from Elden Ring lol)"
Nadalia separated her soul into pieces for Raime, the Fume Knight. After he lost to Velstadt he went looking for another king to serve. He went to the old Iron King but he was already gone. He met Nadalia there and they became friends, and she realized his power and separated herself to give it to him. That's why there's 4 Ashen Idols around his chamber and why you get the last piece of her soul when you beat him. She wanted to give him a piece of her and then protect him from dying so she would never be lonely again.
Nadalia is arguably the most powerful out of the 4, so it's a good thing we don't face her in her prime
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Alsanna seems to be no less powerful. Also, something tells me Nadalia wasn't evil. Just super lonely.
Just a mention. In Irish folklore the consumption of an insect would be how the gods would impregnate a woman. I always kinda connected that to the chaos bug.
Though i´m not sure what to do with it, it´s still an awsome detail! Thanks!
I'm never using brigthbugs again. Thx
@@TYR1139 lol
@@TYR1139 to be fair you don't EAT the brightbugs. You crush their little buggy bodies and sprinkle around the dust.
They all do, but dark souls two regrences irish folklore and history alot.
Dark Souls 2 has enormous effects on Dark Souls 3. The most noteworthy being the snuffing of the Flame of Chaos. In Dark Souls 2, Eleum Loyce had a portal to the Old Chaos that formed beneath it. The Ivory King descended into the chaos to snuff it out, and the Bearer of the Curse enters and has the portals frozen over by the Loyce Knights who he rescues.
In Dark Souls 3, Demonkind is being eradicated because the flame of chaos has sputtered out. The Old Demon King is the last major vestige of chaotic power, and after him the Demon Princes are left to pick up the scraps. In the boss fight with the Old Demon King you can see mountains of demon corpses. Demonkind, once a plague, is now a dying race.
Tangentially, ice magic originates in Eleum Loyce, and that has some unspoken connection to the Painting of Ariandel and subsequently Pontiff Sulyvahn. Who is the motive force for all major world events in Dark Souls 3.
Unrelated: The Old Dragonslayer is probably the real Ornstein, because the Ornstein you fight in Anor Londo is an illusion. This was confirmed by the fact that Ornstein shows up and leaves his armor behind at the Nameless King's place.
The fact that his armour is left at the nameless king is exactly why it isnt the real ornstein in ds2
@@SconesSmile Actually it still could be. As Old Dragonslayer is an optional fight in DS2 and From Soft has shown multiple times that non-mandatory fights don't happen in the canon, as shown by Gwyndolin being alive long enough to be devoured by Aldritch in DS3 even though you can kill him in DS1.
There is no "confirmed" in the souls games lol. There's circumstantial references, hints, suggestions, etc. but there is pretty much nothing that is actually confirmed. There's dozens of different plausible theories, based on a paragraph of lore.
That's what makes Dark souls so memorable: Fromsoft gave us snippets, fragments of a story, and then we assemble it in our own way. That's why it's silly to have the know it all wannabes, who comment "you're wrong. This lore says blah, blah, blah, which PROVES you're wrong".
There's a handful of things in the entire series that are confirmed, the rest is up to interpretation by the player 🙂
Dude, DKS3 completely destroys the canon of 2, you might as well pretend 2 isn't canon to 3.
Or the flame of chaos is dying out because literally everything is dying out in DS3. It's a major theme of the game; every instance doesn't have to be explained through cross references.
You forgot Straid dialogue which references the witch of Izalith,there’s also that mage npc who talks about Seath
It's the bird lady,she says that her transposing magic was created by seath i think
@@alysoncardoso6684 the mage that you find on no man’s wharf also talks about seath
@@italo7676 huh,i didn't know that
Yeah the scorpion dude.
Forgot his name
@@DronesOverTheMoon Man-Scorpion Tusk, i think.
“I know it sounds hard to believe, but we’re actually standing in ArnorL~~”
the way I see it, It seems that each of the Ancient Lords has passed down either a curse or a Legacy of some sort:
-Gravelord Nito seems to leave behind his desire to shepherd the dead together into the dark to let them slumber
-Seath: leaves behind his aching craving, for the things his heart covets (probably takes shape as the writhing ruin)
-The Witch: since the Parasite is still around, I guess the Witch's consciousness has endured and is seeking a new vessel, could also be an offspring though
-The Kings: this one is the most vague, as most people associate it more with Gwyn himself but I suppose a Legacy, or curse of these Four Lords could be their sheer Ambition and naive Search for greater strength, loosing themselves and sacrificing their humanity in the process
As for the present four Great Ones: these I guess are beings, that inherited these legacies/curses, the four Lords of Lordran are part of their being, but not all of it
-The Rotten, possibly a thrown away thrall of Aldias making, that scavenges for everything lost and forgotten and is now like a perversion of the God it may be shaped after, probably seeking for solace through unison of the many, but unlike Nito, the unfortunates it adorns it´self with are not dead, and furthermore seem to be unwilling to be a part of it, disputing and crying in their now miserable existence
-Freja was Duke Tseldoras Pet Spider and is afflicted with the Writhing Ruin, which is what may have driven her to nest in the carcass of an Ancient Dragon and make her Offspring animate the carcasses of their victims as if they were alive again, which can be seen as an act of Sadism and Madness, and like a mocking to the concept of Life or Immortality for that matter
-The Sinner: judging by her Gear, seems to have been a Pyromancer who was enticed by the Witch and led on to do things she would later lock herself away for, and now seeks penance for this Sin, writing Scriptures and mutters in the dark, trapped and possessed with and by the one who caused her to Sin in the first place
-The King: An ambitious conqueror who sought after power above all else, eventually begins to take Questionable advice, creating a spiral that eventually ends with he himself becoming what looks to be some kind of Demon - on that note I think the Lost Sinners "Sin" and the Kings transformation might have something to do with each other
I don´t know why my comments always get so lengthy when talking about Lore and stuff but hey, some good old speculation never hurts I guess
The Sinner tried to link the flame, I'm not sure if she failed and therefore punishes herself for it, or if she realized the folly of her actions and decided to endure a penance imposed by herself. Just like the Witch, she tried to mess with the flame.
The Old Iron King, like the Four Kings, started meddling with the soul, the Kings with the art of Lifedrain; and the Iron King with the use of the Iron Scepter, manipulated souls to make his Iron Constructs become living beings. The five kings transgressed the "sanctity" of the soul.
It's been awhile since I last dived into DS2 lore, so I may be wrong.
@Tyrant Edgelord Wasn't chaos kind of always there? Like a primal force that gathers strength over time, hence why Alsanna says that the Old Chaos hungers still. It cannot be contained, only controlled.
@Tyrant Edgelord looks a little more than a rest come DS3.
@Tyrant Edgelord the flame of chaos can be rekindle before it goes out, much like the first flame
I'm so glad to see more people know just how connected ds1 and 2 really are. It seems like arguments about this game are more about whether disconnectedness is good or bad, forgetting that thats not even what Ds2 is.
I've noticed most of the "objective" arguments made against DS2 are criticisms that can easily be made against the other Souls games. Things like easily exploitable AI, weird hitboxes, dev time cut short resulting in cut content/significant changes to the game, ect. At this point I'm starting to believe the real reason DS2 gets so much hate is because no one liked ADP. From Demon's Souls to Sekiro, Dark Souls 2 probably has the most irritating dodging mechanics (don't worry DS3, you aren't far behind). I'm sure if dodging felt better (especially in the early game) DS2 would have been better received and maybe people would be able to focus more on all the great things DS2 actually did right.
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To be honest a huge part of what made DS2 feel clunky at first were a combination of two things, one, the animations are really bad compared to ds1/3. I think they were mocapped instead of animated in the same way they are so the animations either feel too smooth for what they are (Maces), or way too clumsy (Greataxes). And another awful thing is most likely just to do with the steam port on mouse and keyboard. The controls by default have double click turned on whenever you boot up the game, even though it says double click is disabled. This makes single click inputs comically unresponsive, with even up to a second of delay, as the game waits to see if you double clicked, and if you click twice too quickly the game cancels your input altogether.
These are minor gripes, and nowadays I remember to turn of double click every time I open the game.
@oohanalligator I played SOTFS primarily, never touched the original release after finishing DS1 shortly before buying 2. On my first playthrough I liked the game. Didnt love it, but didnt hate it either. But on newer playthroughs, with my most recent one being last month, I started to hate the game more and more due to its clunkyness, weird gamedesign decisions, cut content, enemy placements, amount of enemies and outright broken and also weird battle system at times that is affected more by adaptability than skill. [With weird I mean the dualweilding of weapons, which does little to impact the actual gameplay and is just fancy looking at best.]
DS2 isnt a bad game. But it isnt the creme of the crop either. I remember how I, a year ago, beat all bosses of DS2 SOTFS. I finished off with Smelter Demon 2.0 and it was such a frustrating experience that after I finally finished the fight, I straight up uninstalled the game laughing because it was finally over because the game had made me that angry.
You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT compare DS1+DS3 to DS2. They are not comparable based on a sheer gameplay standard. If you like the game, thats fine by me. Heck even I like DS2. But that doesnt change that DS1 and DS3 are largely more enjoyable in terms of gameplay alone.
@@GikamesShadow I can compare them. I'd even go as far as saying that Dark Souls 3 feels worse gameplay-wise than Dark Souls 2. Mainly because I think it tries too hard to be Bloodborne and it just doesn't work for me. Dark Souls 2 is much more in line with the previous two games when it comes to gameplay, especially combat and stamina management.
@@ReelBigFan the problem is that while some Ds2 criticisms can be shared between the other games in the series, they are much more common in Ds2. For example, ds1 had its fair share of bad hitboxes, in ds3 you can count them with one hand and in Ds2 every 10th hit you take was a bad hitbox. And even then Ds2 has a load of objective problems not present in the other games like 8-directional movement and extremely punishing fall damage. I also suspect that a lot of hated mechanics like health gems and an overabundance of souls were implemented to cover up other bad design decisions like ADP being absolutely necessary for any build, endurance gank fests that Ds2 loves so much and bosses that deal incremental damage by just looking at you. I don't mind that you like this game, I got some enjoyment out of it as well, it's certainly not trash but it is the worst game in the series and that's an objective measurable fact.
I actually love DS2 approaching references in this more subtle way. Things are radically different, but also eerily the same. It makes it feel like you're walking in the previous games footsteps, but millenia in the future. I think this works with the themes of the series much more than DS3's "everyone is here!" approach.
That's exactly how I always looked at it. Dark Souls 2 gives off the vibe that so much time has past that all of the beings and names from the original are mere legend at this point. Nobody even remembers their names.
Dark Souls 3 feels like it could be a week later than the original.
Dark Souls 3 might as well be Bloodborne 2. Feels nothing like a Dark Souls game.
@@LtSprinkulz I wouldn't say that it feels nothing like a Dark Souls game per say. The combat is faster paced, but the mechanics and lore are Dark Souls all day. In my opinion Dark Souls 3 feels too much like a been there done that sort of scenario.
it may be somewhat subtle, yet it is much worse than the majority of ds3. ds2 feels very cheap in that regard.
in ds3, even if its the same place...more or less, you will the time that has passed. places change over time. ds2 is so far away, those small things shouldnt be there and you know it. its terrible
DS2 was like The Last Jedi. Tried a lot of new things, some of which worked, some of which didn't, and some of which were straight up baffling and insane. DS3 is like Rise of Skywalker, just a big, heaping mound of fan service to appease the people who hated the second one.
I love Dark Souls 2, but I hate how some people say the connections to Dark Souls 1 are either fanservice, or just "there". People have way too much hate for DS2, in my opinion
The same people will then have nothing but praise for 3, which has even more fanservice-y stuff in it.
@@bjaminrowe its cause 3 is actually a good game
Some things like random edgy Ornstein definitely deserve criticism.
@@evanseifert8858 yeah, I figure Old Dragonslayer was just fanservice, but at this point we really can't tell if it was or not, since we can't ask them, and the lore is already quite vague
@@bjaminrowe Because when DS3 does it, it's with a purpose. It completed the plotlines of Gwyndolin, the Way of White and Izalith, it expanded on Gwyn's firstborn's lore and the Painted World's, it showed how the legend of Artorias developed and gained traction even when it was revealed it was a failure, or how the world reacted to the Chosen Undead's linking of the flame by having a kingdom built around that practice. That's good world-building.
Even small stuff like Andre being in the game isn't just there for reference. He reveals he actually met the giant blacksmith, therefore 1) he has been to Irithyll (which is a funny meta reference), 2) it explains why he has gotten better at blacksmithing.
Meanwhile, the entire first half of DS2 is dedicated to killing references to the big bosses of DS1, which is barely related to the actual plot of the game of finding a cure for undeath. You just do it because there is rubble in the way to the castle. Having 3 lordsouls just magically come back is not only lore-breaking, but also hypocritical in a game which constantly reminds you how everything about 1 has been forgotten.
There is a difference between what DS2 does, just rip Ornstein from 1, paint it black and put him alone in a bossroom, and what DS3 does, taking the firstborn character mentioned in 1, and creating a well-done bossfight with him.
This isn't to say DS3 is perfect and DS2 is horrible. They both have flaws and strengths, those flaws mostly tied to shitty developments. DS3 is a direct sequel to 1, and is built around that. DS2 is in between being a sequel and its own thing (probably do to how they had essentially remake the game from start midway through development), and really suffers from that. To be fair, it had the worst development of the series, but that's hardly an excuse.
I enjoy the games themselves but it's videos like these that really hooked me.
The rank up rewards for the Sunlight Covenant is a small shield with a design of a sunrise on it, Sunlight Spear, and a weapon called a Sun Sword, which belonged to Solaire
Thanks for this video! DS2 is my favourite, I know that makes me one of the odd fans out, but I definitely appreciate content like this.
Ds2 has the most change in environment and enemies, that’s why it’s my favourite, it feels like your in the world while in ds3 and one you will be staring at castle walls and undead people for 99% of it
I'm another DS2 SotFS fan. I pretty much just disliked the level of fanservice in DS3, where many locations and people reappeared without any explanation why.
@@starhalv2427 yeah idk what it is but I still love all the games just rate ds2 in its own league
@@starhalv2427 because ds2 decided to drop almost everything related to ds1 doesn't mean the readopting it is fanservice, Miyazaki didn't made ds2, just another random dude, and he decided to drop all the things from ds1, not Miyazaki, he had to fix that in ds3, maybe that's why ds2 fans call it fanservice
@@starhalv2427 i mean, this video shows exactly how much fan service was in DS2. It's less direct than DS3, but everything ties back to the first game in one way or another.
There is another reference (which may not be one) well hidden with the Pilgrims of Dark. Grandal, the one who welcomes us to the Covenant, shares the same clothes and the same voice actor as the red sorcerer who flooded New Londo in DS1.
This is only a theory but it is likely that a Special Order of Wizards endured between DS1 and 2, linked to Dark control and potentially linked to Velka and the dragons. Velka because the DS1 sorcerer's mask recalls the figure of a crow (it is also a reference to the Venetian doctors during the plague), and the dragons because Grandal used and gives us the Dragon Chime directly linked to dragons of course. In addition to that we can find the set of Velka priests in the Dragon Earies at the end of the game.
Correction: You dont need 4 great souls to open the door
You can also collect enough souls to get past it
Whether this is intentional by lore or not, this heavily implies that the lordsouls are not neccesary anymore (And considering the fact that the lordvessel is broken too, that makes a lot more sense on top as well)
Additionally: The God of Sun is not Solaire, its Gwyn.
Lorewise i've always thought of it as if you raise your soul memory high enough your soul becomes stronger than the lord souls allowing you passage.
Additionally Gwyn is also alluded to in the DLC’s like with Aldia
i did the 1 million souls thing cause i couldnt beat rotten 💀
Yes if you collect the 4 great souls the door of the Shrine of Winter opens automatically, if you collect at least 1 milion souls you can open the door yourself.
@@mahatmaniggandhi2898 The saddest part is that rotten is considered so easy people use him as a soul farm
"This does have me wondering who will Patches be in Elden Ring?"
Lol
If I remember correctly a theory and lore implication was that ornstein left smough and his position because he was following the nameless king that why in DS3 you find his set in the dragons peak
-Ornifex mentions that a "pale beast" was the source of her soul transformations technique, implying it to Seath, or possibly Priscilla
-Vendrick at one point repeats the opening lines of Dark Souls 1
Definitely Seath
A nice little additional connection with Nito and the Rotten is that the weapon you can get from the Old Dead One’s Soul is wielded by Agdayne when you summon him.
Something I also find interesting that Seath was grantes the title of Duke. So the *Dukes* dear freya is perhaps more of a reference than we think. I've not yet played Ds2 and have no clue about freyas lore so I might be wrong, but I still think it's nifty.
The Duke's Dear Freja is the Dear Freja belonging to Duke Tseldora, an old dude found in the next room
He really liked spiders
The lightning spear description wasn't referencing Solaire it was referencing Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight which is why it said "God of Sun". Solaire isn't even a god.
He'll always be a god in my heart 🗣️👏
@@craviel7360 Easily killed though for a god 😈.
@@Bonestorm1990 The good that was left held back
@@Bonestorm1990 true, but if you pit him against the actual Sun God in question, he actually does pretty damn well
I really like the small detail of the shattered Lordvessel in DS2 as it could be an explanation to why the old souls make an appearance. Perhaps after it shattered, these souls escaped in search of powerful souls to attach to. At least it makes more sense than Seath being able to take multiple forms since he was presumably bullied or looked down upon for his condition, and he had no immortality of his own.
The great thing about DS2 is that it wasn’t just another retelling of the same story from the first, much like DS3 had been. Yeah sure it had some clunky gameplay and whatnot, but when DS3 went right back into all the same DS1 content over again it seemed like they were just trying to push DS2 off to the side
You are aware that the main team didnt handle DS2 and that is why the story is different right?
I am not trying to be a D*ck but, you are aware of this right?
DS3's story is literally the opposite of DS1's, while DS2's stort is a sidestory to both games (while DS3 is a direct sequel to DS1)
@@GikamesShadow kind of true, miyazaki supervised ds2 development for a while and then started to work on bloodborne while they were still finishing ds2 and he came back to supervise scholar of the first sin, he wasnt the director of ds2 but he did work in ds2.
@@nuprahtor DS2 is more like the middle part of the story imo, introducing the cycles the entirety of Dark Souls 3 is based off and focusing hard on the actual undead curse.
@@dreamz1417 Fair enough, DS1 started the idea of linking the First Flame, DS2 showed us various kingdoms that happen to relink the First Flame again (with the whole overarching Aldia plot), and DS3 shows us what happens when you artificially prolong the life of the First Flame which should have been dead back in DS1's era.
I called it a sidestory because the developers tried to create lands that are from from Lordran, exploring the world outside of Gwyn's kingdom, while DS3 shows what happens to some of the locations from DS1. Though, there are some connections between DS1 and DS2's areas, but I think they are thematical and not geographical (not to mention the weird dream-like state of DS2's world which I really like). I'm inclined to believe that some of the places in DS2 are the far kingdoms mentioned in DS1
6:06 Patches is Patches :^) who else?
The child of dragons referenced in the feather description is Shanalotte. She even says she was born of dragons.
So let me see if i get this right. While the 1st and 3rd game focus on the plot of the linking of the fire, the reason the second game feels disconnected is because contrary to the others, the main story is focusing on the consequences of the death of manus all while taking place in a new era presumably during an age of fire?
hopping up on that roof in DS2 made me mumble 'hmm this looks familiar' and i was fucking right.
In interesting coincidence occurs to me. Each of the four bosses that need to be defeated to open the Shrine of Winter seems to be associated with one of the Lord Souls needed for the Lord Vessel in DS1. One of those Lord Souls was that of the Four Kings, and which DS2 boss seems to be associated with the Four Kings? The Old Iron King. Except... is it really _just_ the Old Iron King? Is it a coincidence that the four shards of Manus' soul sought out four kings? Perhaps it's not just the Old Iron King, but also the Sunken King, the Ivory King, and Vendrick himself who each inherited the legacy of the Four Kings. The shards of the Father of the Abyss sought out the heirs to the Four Kings of the Abyss. Maybe.
If we skip forwards to DS3, it makes sense that the Old Dragonslayer doesn’t have Smough by his side. Smough stayed behind to guard the Cathedral, whilst Ornstein left to find the Nameless King. Since Heide was a land of light, with lightning wielding knights, it makes perfect sense that Ornstein would be there, trying to find his missing liege. Of course this assumes that Old Dragonslayer is the true Ornstein and not an imitation, but either way, Heide would be the perfect place to find Ornstein as he searches for NK.
Dragon Shrine seems to be acutely missing any dragon-slaying gods of war, so that’s probably why Old Dragonslayer wasn’t found there instead.
I have a feeling that the "Old Dragonslayer" is more something that the Heide Knights or the Order of Heide created. Not only is it not pure thunder the OD is using but Dark Thunder instead. This implies heavy corruption in their soul, which can hint at many different things. It is possible Ornstein visited Heides Tower at one point, helped them and then went on towards DS3
@@GikamesShadow mm. True. Or maybe NK himself visited them, he was prominent in Forossa after all
Im happy to see finally more people are giving a try and learning the story of my favorite souls game, it only took 7 years but still this is a win.
Understandable.
These days I see more and more people on the reddit saying how they thought it was bad but finally realized how good it is.
It's never too late!
The way I see it is when I compare it to other souls games it’s the worst of the bunch but when compared to other games it’s my favorite of them, being the worst of the best is still amazing and I can confidently say that dark souls 2 has so much more content and I couldn’t have certain moments I’ve had unless it’s in ds2
many of the ideas are fantastic, but the overall package, in combination of how you get the story and the characters, isnt that good
Love how you used the hollow knight greenpath I think theme
I believe that any ornstein we see in game is either an illusion(DS1) or a copycat of some kind(DS2) since it's assumed that the real ornstein went to archdragonpeak after his master the nameless king and died there
The ornstein in ds1 was an illusion, the one in ds2 was real.
No he wasnt
Ornstein went to look for the Nameless King in DS3, you can find his armor near the arena and also context clues and lore indicate heavily that he is the Dragon the Nameless King rides on.
@@GikamesShadow Ornstein had already left Anor Londo before the chosen undead came. And lore implies that, just like Havel, he learned the ways of the occult after Gwyn left so that the other Gods couldn't keep him in Anor Londo anymore without a fight. This fully explains why he uses dark instead of lighting in ds2, and why you find the old Leo ring. He did indeed leave to find the Nameless King, but to find means that Ornstein didn't know where the king was. Therefore he had to search in many places. As for ds1, the only real people left there were Gwendolyn, Smough, and the Giant Blacksmith. Everything else, which is proven after turning Anor Londo to night after hitting Gwynevere, is an illusion.
do the connections between ds1 and ds3. it'll be a 14 hour video lmao
but this makes me happy, as polarizing as ds2 is, i am glad it took a more subtle approach to the previous game.
Smough isn't there because he actually stayed behind and did his job.
In the Dark Souls 2 Network Test, the Lightning Spear miracle more explicitly references Solaire.
Edit: The lacky boss Prowling Magus and Congregation is NOT a Dark Souls 1 reference to Pinwheel, but a Demon's Souls reference to Fool's Idol.
Edit 2: Despite no Painted World in Dark Souls 2, a Painting Guardian appears in Aldia's Keep starting in Journey 2 onwards, and has a rare chance to drop the set pieces and weapons.
Pinwheel was inspired from the Fool's Idol boss fight from Demon's Souls anyway, both bosses use magic and make clones of themselves to fight, and both bosses have low HP which makes them easy to kill.
I'm fairly certain a good chunk of these might genuinely just be the result of slightly modifying assets from the first game and reusing them to save development time.
also the fact the ivory king was the only one to redeem there shard of manus is fitting, not only is the ivory king fighting chaos, a form of fire, darks opposite, that like the abyss corrupts nad mutates, thus its fitting hes the one to find a piece of the abyss that doesent corrupt, it also makes sense that he earned her genuine love threw showing her genuine love in kind, the very think manus was seeking out
You can enter to the painting with doll as a key the crow smith has a lot of theme nice touch.
personally i played ds2 first and when i played dark souls 1 after i immediately realized the connections linking the games and was blown away, really where my love for dark souls became a small obsession
1:00 Ok this is the second video I've heard people say this in, and I don't know why anyone is going along with it. It just isn't true, those statues are in no way identical. The outfit is completely different, the head is different, even the sword has some differences in its shape. The differences are too plentiful and too distinct to write it off as a "different interpretation" or something, they just simply aren't depicting the same figure. Their only similarity is the pose, which is just a generic "sword at rest" pose. Who even started this idea?
Aside from a minor detail or two (someone already commented on the "Warriors of Sunlight" covenant), good video. I mean, I had noticed pretty much everything you cover, but it is a very nice compilation, and your discussion on the fragments of Manus' soul is an interesting take.
Since Ornstein in DS1 could be just an illusion by Gwyndolin, the one we encounter in DS2 could be the real one
DS2 builds upon the world so well. You really feel the weight of the actions of Gwyn and the other lords, but it also feels very distant from it. DS3 did not do as good of a job.
Ds3 did many things wrong but not feeling the effects of Gwyn’s linking of the first flame is absolutely not one of them lmao. The world is collapsing in on itself, abyssal monstrosities are running rampant, the world is dead and decaying and the sun is dying out lmao, what do you mean? Even linking the flame does nothing now.
The only world building DS2 did well were the daughters of manus and further elaborating on what exactly manus and the abyss were.
you feel nothing in ds2 in connection of gwynns actions.
ds3 is of the bring of collapse...which fits the bill. nothing personal but you okay buddy?
Almost everything in DS3 felt like fan service to me. In DS2 it's just built into the world and most of the inhabitants aren't even aware of the influence.
@@robbieclark1784 reddit take
@@thebigenchilada678 I dunno what that means, but ok. That’s what I thought after playing the games.
“Who will be patches in elden ring?” patches. He will be patches
Okay, no. That fucking edit? From title card to gameplay *chefs kiss* Why are you going so hard?
Excellent video man, I hope you keep up uploading more :D
“I wonder what patches will be in elden ring”
Continues to be patches
The rotten is probably the most straightforward connection to his remnant, the similarities are endless
-slow moving
-similar size
-body made of corpses
-similar energy color
-similar aoe explosion attack
After this video I'm convinced DS2 main point was the 'dark' trying to embrace the cycle Gwyn forced onto the world when he linked the fire to the dark soul. But, the dark doesn't know when to stop, it's always all or nothing, and we see in creatures of the abyss, how it drives them mad.
The daughters of Mangus where that outreach, and because the was never given an opportunity to be gentle and calm, they only did what they did out of the emotion they were given.
You make it seem like Lightning Spear is referring to Solaire as the god of the sun, when the description focusing on the “incandescent” detail is just implying a carryover of the folklore surrounding the enduring presence of the Warriors of Sunlight in Drangleic; and that Gwyn the actual lord of sunlight’s name has been forgotten. Ya it’s an obvious reference but why not go ahead and fully explain it to not only avoid confusion but acknowledge that cool detail actually linking the games
Well, i think that Dukes Dear Freja and Seathe are definitely connected. i mean except moonlight sword, its name is literally DUKE'S DEAR and area of Seathe was named the DUKE'S ARCHIVES
My freind said that the old dragonslayer was a ornstein impersonator. I think it's a valid explanation
love how Patches in Elden Ring turned out to be... Patches
DS2 is such a massively under appreciated game
When you click on a Dark Souls video and the music is from Hollow Knight *chef kiss*
The God of Sun is most likely to be Gwyn not Solaire, Myazaki already said that Solaire is just a normal NPC
Imagine human finding giant's gear and decides to wear it
Yo, after watching the video, I noticed a certain character in ds2 also followed the same characteristics as the shard waifus, one that picked a certain chosen undead and told them to 'Seek stronger souls' while being shady af. Kinda like how the Shards 'controlled' their kings, you end up being 'controlled' by her. You either end up locked up to preserve the flame or walking into the Dark, which also follows the theme of tragic fates of the kings, with the Dark ending feeling like you allowed Manus to win, so to speak. This could also explain why the Firekeeper kept herself apart from you, because her being the fifth shard, learnt of the first four and their failure to find a true king, and kept herself from bonding to anything other than the 'chosen' undead. Course, that's only my theory, and it's based more on coincidences than anything really concrete, but it's fun to guess what happened lol.
Idk about that one. She straight up tells you that she was made by dragons. There's really nothing linking her to Manus.
She also doesn't really control you, she just guides you. She doesn't even tell you what to do with the first flame! Interestingly enough, if we choose to go into the kiln even we as the players don't know whether the bearer of the curse decides to act as fuel for the flame or lets it fade.
@@dreamz1417 She tells you to get souls to get stronger, which all of the kings ended up doing in various ways (aka Vendrick's war with giants or like ivory king who gathered knights to take on chaos). She also hides some kind of power, being able to reach areas like drangelic castle or dragon aerie without much apparent trouble. Not to mention that her being very secretive is falling in line with other shard behavior, keeping it secret they are shards of manus, or attempted to anyway. Yeah, it's not really control she has over you, but you have to admit she does get you to kill the four lord remnants. Also, her prepping you via getting you full of souls then separating is very similar to Nashandra, who used Vendrick as soul factory then let him hide away in far off place from everyone while she goes free.
hmmmm... Both get their chosen to collect and use souls, causing many battles in which the results of said battle end in the chosen having to hide away in a faroff place while they get to have the freedom. That seems a bit too coincidental to me, but like I said, it's all based on coincidences, so believe what you want
I feel like Dark Souls II has the most similarities to Dark Souls I because of them trying to tie the two together, even when unnecessary, or just plain fan-service.
I think the same. In Dark Souls III the history of Anor Londo after killing Gwyn is sad, deep and well-written with all the amazing return characters and items when in DSII i have feeling that sometimes they didn't had any fresh ideas so they sad something like "well, lets put here Ornstain but make him a little bit darker and change his name" and in most of the examples they don't have any good story behind those cameos.
One small note. The Duke's Dear Freja is not a remnant of Seath. Its the Duke himself. You pick up her soul detatched from her body.
You also find the Duke in his archives... literally referencing The Dukes Archives of DS1.
Its always been my headcanon that DS2 takes place several centuries, or even millennia, after DS1 (while DS3 is an alternate reality that only takes place a few decades/centuries after, as most of the geography and events line up).
DS2 is effectively "The Bad Ending" of the whole series. Where the cycle never stopped, and the world became lost. Nothing can be done to save this world. You sit on the throne, but your actions wont break this endless nightmare... While DS3 gives you the option for the "Good Ending", where you have the option to end the age of fire once and for all.
(Its also my headcanon that the Age of the Erdtree followed some time after... but thats a whole other thing)
If you mean the Duke from DS2 then no because he is literally in the room after the boss. If you meant that Freja is Seath then that makes no sense because we know Freja's backstory and also Seath is dead. Freja can be a spiritual successor to Seath though, like the Rotten is to Nito...
@mekacrab thats.... what I said... but the spider is not the one, its the Duke who is his successor. He just managed to put the paledrake soul into his creation
@@dawsonwarren1121 Oh ok, I thought you meant that the spider was the Duke.
A little detail I like in ds2 which I think is grossly over looked, is the narratives point of view.
Consider this. In ds1 and DS3 we have contact with the gods of old. So all the information is pretty much straight from the source or second hand. The architecture allows for giants and massive beings of great power.
In ds2 were told the story from the Humans perspective, passed down many many generations. With alot of the details befoming lost to time. The landscape is far more scaled to travelling human sized rather than the bigger kin of giants and god's.
I feel like this switch throws also of people off. Its a very clever detail hidden in plain sight
Very very slept on take. I believe this to be a conscious design choice as well for that same reason
@@TheHonoredMadman I'm glad you agree, nobody seems to notice but I agree with you. It's really cool
Shalquoire talks about the 4 ancient lords usually first by talking about those in game then those in ds1. Like the old iron king she says "The human ego, how many ugly iron castles has it erected? And they dont even see the folly of their ways, but thats what makes watching human kind so delightful. It reminds me of a tale of someone long ago. A vainglorious liar who hurled himself into the flames. Now hes Icarus Earth, if i recall."
Ds2 handles its connections to ds1 so amazingingly its baffling more people dont talk about it. Also the sunbro covenant statue is in the exact same place as it was in ds1, you can tell from the small walls poking out from the ground and the steps leading up to it.
The one thing interesting are the daughters of manus, is that they have been around before the events (Undead Asylum) of Dark Souls 1
the explanation i’ve seen that i quite like for ornstein being in ds2 is that he was actually just one of gwyndolin’s illusions in anor londo, and the real guy had left long ago. this could also mean smough is an illusion too, but there’s a way funnier possibility that the real smough has actually still been hanging out in the false anor londo and we do actually kill him there
From the armour description it’s heavily implied it’s just a guy wearing it.
The best explanation is that the Old Dragonslayer isn't Ornstein, just someone acting like him, maybe an admirer.
That's also why he doesn't have the same armor.
1:43
Considering DS2 was famously mismanaged (they originally intended it to be an open world game) I think it's more likely they just didn't get around to including those armour sets.
"the four old ones are remnants of the four lord souls" *shows picture of four kings where gwyn should be*
I heard it mention that Nashandra is in truth Dusk of Oolacile, after being consumed by the abyss. Afaik, that's just speculation though.
You forgot about Seath the scaleless's corpse is literally stuck to the ceiling in the Duke boss fight.
It's a dragon but it can't be Seath the Scaleless...
Cromwell the Pardoner is in Brightstone Cove Tseldora. Which is where Seath's Soul rests with Duke's Dear Freja. The robes of judgement are hidden at Dragon Shrine, which has potential because we know Aldia experimented on dragons, so a worshipper of Velka wears the Robes of Judgement when it comes to dragons. Need more proof? In Ds1, you find the Black Set in the Painted World of Ariamis, which houses Crossbreed Pricilla, who is part dragon. It's weird to me how these sets are both being found right next to or in the general vicinity that are located to something that either associates with dragons (Pricilla, or even Seath) or was humans who were with Dragons (So, Aldia or Gwnevere). It makes sense why Ornifex's house is next to Duke's Dear Freja, which houses Seath's Soul. Also looking at it maybe a bit more weirdly, but the Painted World is right next to Duke's Archives. I say this because Seath is located there, which is her dad. I think those statues Ornifex has in her house are those thst she brought with her outside of the Painted World. I think they made her assets and dolls to signify that because they didn't have time to write her story up more. She even sells some extremely strong magic as well. The Shaded Woods also houses Manscorpion Tark who was involved with Seath. He is a creation of Seath just like Pricilla was. I am streching an olive branch here, but also Oswald of Carim (wears the armor), but he is located at the first bell of awakening right after you ring the bell. He wants something from you, I think he wants to see Seath personally or something to do with Dragons. But what is also weird about this, is that Dragon Aerie also is where you find the Emerald Herald, which is where you get the item that is related to the painted world. The Emerald Herald is also a dragon child.
Ok I'm lost now. God danggit.
Brand new viewer as of last night. I already am a big fan. This video especially blew my mind.
I do like how you get the option to fight a dragon slayer on ornsteins armor at the start of ds2 that’s cool
Did you know about the Bonfire connections between all 3 games?
They all have bonfires as checkpoints!
My man starting every sentence with ”but”
Ds2 is dark souls with bonus types of gameplay
That opening transition has me transfixed
"I wonder who patches will be in Elden Ring" past us were CLUELESS clueless huh
The cycle of fire, the souls of the old lords and the Manus's fragments were brilliant concepts to bring a sequel to Dark Souls.
There is also Darklurker - the most elusive boss of entire game if not whole series. It might be something formed from Humanity's endless fascination and mystery of Dark. The unknown, inscrutable and hidden aspect which of course is dangerous because all those things are feared. I think it is also a shard of Manus, but not shaped by his own personality, but shaped by how it was perceived by others.
5:16 that's not a reference to priscilla, that is a reference to the Emerald Herald, aka Shanalotte, who is a child of dragons. She's even the one that gives you said item so it makes sense that the description is about her.
"My name is Shanalotte.
The dragon gave me this name, for I was born with none.
I was born of dragons, contrived by men.
By ones who would cozen fate herself… They are the ones who created me."
bruh, you aint seen a free-er sub than mine, absolutely loved it
So Aldia potentially has connections to Velka. Because Aldia experimented with Dragons at Dragon Shrine? That area is also not far from Brightstone Cove.
Goes to show that even the most hated souls game is still filled with attention to details that some games now a days may lack. May not be my personal favorite but I certainly wouldn’t say I hate it
That intro got me hooked ngl
Ah how it was to speculate only for the same boot to the back from our favorite bastard of a man that is patches
The lightning spear is referencing Gwyn not Solaire. And the statues are statues of the Nameless King.
It bothers me a lot people still havent given up on the "Solaire is Gwyn's lost son" theory even after Dark Souls 3.
Think about it, doesnt Solaire being just a regular human make his optimism and power even more inspiring? Doesnt dying in a dark alleyway controlled by a slug sound like a death too pathetic for a God?
Solaire was no God or child of them, he was just a man, a great man, that was none the less consumed by the grim world of Dark Souls like so many before him.
"Armor of Solaire of Astora, Knight of Sunlight. The large holy symbol of the Sun, while powerless, was painted by Solaire himself. Solaire's incredible prowess must have come from rigorous training alone, for his equipment exhibits no special traits."
He might be just an idiot human...but he happens to be an awfully STRONG idiot! Hah hah hah!
Hollow knight music was really a fine touch.
Ds2 really needs some more love tbh
You also play as the famous John Darksoul who says the line “every soul has its dark” at the start of both games.
Just to be clear, Mild Mannered Pate is only a replacement for patches, not patches himself. Patches is in games that Hidetaka works on, which Im sure we all knew but felt I had to clarify as to how you worded it.
Valhiem OST pretty chill for background music
That isnt Valheim OST
@@GikamesShadow read description. He asked for music recommendations
according to item descriptions smough was the last remaining knight of anor londo and hence was killed by chosen undead but the ornstein we fight in ds1 is not real as he already left anor londo (according to item descriptions) which means ornstein of ds1 was gwyndolin's illusion
Or he was the last knight because Ornstein died first. Him being an illusion is probably false.
Man I wonder when they're gonna make a sequel to Dark Souls 2
What's the background music you use for the video it sounds nostalgic