So those 95+% of pro photographers who use FF and MF format cameras are just dumb? Or what is the reason FF and MF perform best for them in order to make their money for living?
@@petrpohnan875 the aspc crowd is nothing but justifying against FF. Listen to every single reason anyone gives about it, it's all coping and justification that are L's from the start lol there is absolutely nothing about an aspc that is better than FF. It's not even a matter of opinion it is a simple matter of physics that a larger sensor will always in every way have a larger amount of light hitting the sensor vs. asp-c. This is not to say that a lot of reasons aren't valid, its that they are a tradeoff and always will be
I switched from the A7IV to the A6700 and I honestly like the a6700 better. As long as you know how to use what you have, it doesn’t matter what camera you get (to an extent)
Lens price is a big one too, more than the camera. To really squeeze the juice out of the ff sensor you need ff glass. And those are expensive. I was amazed by a picture from a sony 70-200 f2.8, the lens alone is almost 3k usd.
Low light low light. I don’t care about the sensor size. There’s always a lens that would correct the focal length. I wish the technology would enable small sensors to have better dynamic range and bokeh
Most noise these days is entirely photon noise. You need more light, period. Larger aperture too match the depth of field would make crop and full frame equal noise too. But a 35mm f1 is harder to make them a 50mm F1.4 to make sharp and contrasty, and equally heavy. That's why medium format is so revered because at the same look, they're smaller aperture with better contrast. @@snowwalker9999
@@snowwalker9999 sure, but bokeh wont be affected by that. bokeh is a pure physical limitation based on aperture size, focal length, the distance to your subject and the distance between the subject and the background. you can't get more bokeh with an improved sensor.
Photographers- for the same price you should look at a full frame a7III over the half frame, aka APS-C, a6700 and you'll have more dynamic range, cleaner images with less noise, shallower DOF, two card slots, much better EVF.
@@Sauce_RickyIf you're doing professional work, lenses are an investment. They are expensive but the return will be quick if you already have loyal customers.
@@NicoTomatala Factor in the loss of f/stop using an f/2.8 on an APS-C body and the effective aperture is down to f/4. High quality Tamron full frame zooms are a comparative bargain because there is no comparable lens for crop bodies.
Next: here is why you should choose a Prius over a 911: - it costs less - you still have money in your pockets after your purchase - how would you pay the rent then? Thanks so much for the insight
Not in all countries. A7c and a6700 almost same price here. And the lenses-unles you use g or gm lenses- like sigma, viltrox, tamron lenses, even samyang has very same price on full frame and crop sensor one. Additionally not all lenses big and heavy on full frame actually. Only sigma art series ara big and bulky and heavy. Just buy full frame contemporary ones or use primes that are much smaller.
Idk, i have a a6700, using more than my a7iv these days, Got lenses that solves the focal issues and the bokeh i get from these lenses are kinda hard to tell, people gonna say but o low light, true... but i dont shoot alot of low light, i have 0.95, f1.2 f1.4 lenses and they been doing hella great so far, Miss the 2 sd card slots but the memory card never failed till date. the video and photo quality is mad insane, so idk im going crop. A6700 to be specific.
@@naitiongraphics working distance has to be considered. If you work in close quarters you will have more options on composition with full frame. All your Crop Sensor shots will have less background in the shot. With full frame you can always crop in post. You will also introduce more angle distortion to faces with crop because you need to move the subject farther away to get the same look as a full frame pic.
I sold my Nikon FF DSLR gear because it's freaking heavy. I hike a lot, 100s of meters of elevation gain/ascend a day, 10s of km of distance. I count every 100 grams so I don't want to carry 3-4kg of FF gear just to have the same ability as with 1-1.5 APSC gear@@CoreQ
If it weren't for the fact that people on marketplace are selling a7iii cheaper than a6000s then I probably would but I like the thought of full frame low light
Used cameras from a few years ago will always give the best performance/price ratio. a7III is still a great camera, as it was back then, for not a lot of money today.
If you are on a budget then a crop sensor is what you are working with. But if you can afford the lens cost of a full frame then it is a no brainer. You can always crop in. But then again, some amazing footage has been made on crop sensor cameras. Not the best for vlogging though.
most important thing in photography is Light, depth of field, and Dynamic range. full frame has superior over cropped cameras in these subjects=).. no one cares about if your camera is 250gr lighter. :D .. if you have money, go for the full frame. what is it with this everyone praising crop sensors.. i am a crop sensor user, but as soon as i got enough money i will move to Fullframe
Crop sensor cameras have a smaller battery and they drain faster. So you have to know what you are Taking pictures of. While the full frame camera last longer and you can keep going and going before you have to change the battery
No free lunch. You get what you pay for. If you can’t tell the difference buy what’s cheaper. If you are a pro and get paid to deliver better images go full frame. There is a difference if you know what to look for.
So true. It depends if you are making a living, you want all the advantage you can possibly have. I have "few" cameras, they all take great pictures, but there is a difference. For work, full frame and medium format.
full frame doesn't specify the proness of a camera. For example, the d750 back in the day was a full frame digital reflex camera from Nikon... and it was a beginner camera, much like the Canon 6D family. But if you look at the Sony A77II and the Nikon D500, both of these are PROFESSIONAL APS-C cameras. Why they are aps-c? Because they're made to reach longer with the crop, in fact they work better with FX lenses than with DX ones.
@@kingghidorah8106 I agree with you. Crop and Full Frame are similar if you crop the FF to the same dimension as the crop picture. Crop is cheaper because the smaller sensor is cheaper to mfr. Both can have great quality. I think working distance is the determining factor. Medium Format can produce stunning pics but is usually too expensive for the average photographer.
This video is one big nonsense: 1) There are FF cameras for 1300 USD new. Many APS-C cameras are much more expensive than some FF cameras. 2) Many APS-C cameras are heavier than some FF cameras. 3) The contrary applies for wide angles. As an one example out of many there is no APS-C equivalent for a tiny yet decent 16mm f/2.8 weighing mere 165g. 4) What FF lens across manufacturers do you really miss? Moreover, above you argument with smaller size and weight of APS-C and now you recommend to buy "big and heavy" FF lenses? Any of your point does not make any sense.
Is there anyone out here who can give a good explanation to my question if I take a same photo with a 200mp phone camera and a 24mp or even 50mp dslr camera which one has the best details, im not talking about the overall quality and color of the photo when I zoom in which one gets more pixelated first,is it dslr because even though it captures the more quality image it has less resolution than the phone's 200mp camera sensor?
while 200mp may sound better, the lens on a phone will not likely be sharp enough to retain detail on a heavy crop. The higher the mp the more the lens quality matters, that's why even a low mp dslr has more detail than most phones
The DSLR will have more detail if you zoom in. Often with modern phones, they have very high resolution (MP), but when you zoom in it will be a sharp, but noisy mess looking like an oil painting. The DSLR will have less MP, but if you zoom in it will actually show you details. This is mostly because of the bigger sensor and the better lenses. I recently saw a great video comparing the details of 48MP iPhone photos with a 12MP camera. It was not close.
Yes, cropping a photo taken on a full frame doesn’t match the quality of the crop sensor. Just bcos its crop sensor doesn’t mean its a cropped version of the full sensor. Crop sensor actually has the same no of pixel as that of full sensor. So you can imagine the kind of quality you will get at that zoom level.
@@t7m7ithank you!!🎉 Many ppl here are delusional amateurs that NEVER earned money with their cams..smh.. especially for video. MOST movies were shot on crop sensor videography cams! Nowadays, the megapixel counts allow for clean and crisp pictures as well. I reach for my apsc over full frame 90% of the time. With the cheaper lenses, a apsc cam is best for the MAJORITY of enthusiasts.💯💯
@@CocoKoi321 Apologies, my friend. To enhance your comprehension, here's a revised explanation with correct grammar. If it remains unclear, consider reading it slowly for better understanding.- Yes, cropping a photo taken with a full-frame camera can’t achieve the same quality as one taken with a crop sensor. A crop sensor, also known as an APS-C sensor, doesn’t mean the sensor itself is cropped; it simply refers to a smaller sensor size compared to full-frame sensors. Despite its smaller physical size, a crop sensor contains the same number of pixels as a full sensor. Therefore, you can imagine the level of quality you’ll obtain when zoomed in on a crop sensor.
@@PlaybyPausevery uneducated response. We’ve seen very clearly that image quality is drastically cleaner and sharper on full frame especially when you’re looking at higher resolutions. Check the new Fujifilm X100VI. It actually had worse sharpness than the X100V in all settings. APS-C is a great budget option, but the best APS-C budget options are gonna be used cameras from KEH/MPB. If you’re spending almost 2k on a body then just get full frame and research which full frame would work best for your interests.
A6400 readout is fine and it has faster auto focus then many full frame bodies. And it takes great video and photos. The readout on the a6400 is very fast as well. All cameras has rolling shutter but not the Sony A9iii
There is no reason for going for a crop sensor. Always choose a Full Frame. The intention of the video is good but if you have the money always choose full frame.
Not true, they are both tools. I've been doing pro boxing for years with a aps-c body and as long as you know what your doing you can get professional results
Get yourself an APSC camera and rent the full frame if the job needs you to use it. 80% professional jobs can be done with APSC camera.
Good idea!
Im a professional who does this too. APSC for most jobs and renting FF when/if theres a need.
So those 95+% of pro photographers who use FF and MF format cameras are just dumb? Or what is the reason FF and MF perform best for them in order to make their money for living?
@@petrpohnan875 the aspc crowd is nothing but justifying against FF. Listen to every single reason anyone gives about it, it's all coping and justification that are L's from the start lol there is absolutely nothing about an aspc that is better than FF. It's not even a matter of opinion it is a simple matter of physics that a larger sensor will always in every way have a larger amount of light hitting the sensor vs. asp-c. This is not to say that a lot of reasons aren't valid, its that they are a tradeoff and always will be
Just use medium format then scrub@@Mr.Thermistor7228
I switched from the A7IV to the A6700 and I honestly like the a6700 better. As long as you know how to use what you have, it doesn’t matter what camera you get (to an extent)
what??
@@Oniichan.. can you not read? Or do i actually need to elaborate for you?
Can you tell what your think is the most differences between the two ? Beside the sensor. I never tried a6700 before
@@crackdownmemestv750 no crop at 4k60
@@tyzmiller i'm upgraded soon from A7R2 to A73 , i've been lend and used A74 alot and i must say its a very good camera
Lens price is a big one too, more than the camera. To really squeeze the juice out of the ff sensor you need ff glass. And those are expensive. I was amazed by a picture from a sony 70-200 f2.8, the lens alone is almost 3k usd.
think people forget that, you can pick up a decent (used) FF body around $1000 but the lenses cost more than the body
100%
The by far biggest difference is in the price of good lenses, often 2x
Low light low light. I don’t care about the sensor size. There’s always a lens that would correct the focal length. I wish the technology would enable small sensors to have better dynamic range and bokeh
it's not really about technology, it's just about physics. with a crop sensor you need larger aperture to get the same bokeh, that's just how it is
@@DanielSymphonies That’s what I said. Read again. But I also did say that sensor technology is becoming better at gathering more light.
Most noise these days is entirely photon noise. You need more light, period. Larger aperture too match the depth of field would make crop and full frame equal noise too. But a 35mm f1 is harder to make them a 50mm F1.4 to make sharp and contrasty, and equally heavy. That's why medium format is so revered because at the same look, they're smaller aperture with better contrast. @@snowwalker9999
@@snowwalker9999 sure, but bokeh wont be affected by that. bokeh is a pure physical limitation based on aperture size, focal length, the distance to your subject and the distance between the subject and the background. you can't get more bokeh with an improved sensor.
Photographers- for the same price you should look at a full frame a7III over the half frame, aka APS-C, a6700 and you'll have more dynamic range, cleaner images with less noise, shallower DOF, two card slots, much better EVF.
Eh same price new for new? Then enters the variable of lens pricing.
that's true
@@Sauce_RickyIf you're doing professional work, lenses are an investment. They are expensive but the return will be quick if you already have loyal customers.
Can you get the same price for the lens too? NOPE
@@NicoTomatala Factor in the loss of f/stop using an f/2.8 on an APS-C body and the effective aperture is down to f/4. High quality Tamron full frame zooms are a comparative bargain because there is no comparable lens for crop bodies.
I mean, if you're mostly shooting video a full frame sony camera can always use apsc lens with pretty much zero penalty
Next: here is why you should choose a Prius over a 911:
- it costs less
- you still have money in your pockets after your purchase
- how would you pay the rent then?
Thanks so much for the insight
😂 on point!
On point. Prius is better for most people’s reality.
Exactly :-D!
Not in all countries. A7c and a6700 almost same price here. And the lenses-unles you use g or gm lenses- like sigma, viltrox, tamron lenses, even samyang has very same price on full frame and crop sensor one. Additionally not all lenses big and heavy on full frame actually. Only sigma art series ara big and bulky and heavy. Just buy full frame contemporary ones or use primes that are much smaller.
Me who just bought my 5th MFT camera:
a6700 tend to be ever better that a7 iii
and some functions has better than a7 ic
What is your gimbal ??? 🤔
Can you use a full frame lens on an APS-C camera?
yes
Yes you can
Why shoot in S-Log if you can't color grade?
because you can learn😆
Idk, i have a a6700, using more than my a7iv these days, Got lenses that solves the focal issues and the bokeh i get from these lenses are kinda hard to tell, people gonna say but o low light, true... but i dont shoot alot of low light, i have 0.95, f1.2 f1.4 lenses and they been doing hella great so far, Miss the 2 sd card slots but the memory card never failed till date. the video and photo quality is mad insane, so idk im going crop. A6700 to be specific.
@@naitiongraphics working distance has to be considered. If you work in close quarters you will have more options on composition with full frame. All your Crop Sensor shots will have less background in the shot. With full frame you can always crop in post. You will also introduce more angle distortion to faces with crop because you need to move the subject farther away to get the same look as a full frame pic.
APS-C is for those who know what they truly need and not pushed by pure ego or marketing campaigns.
At different price ranges is where the decision truly make a difference. And there are many other distinctions also but yeah
there is no other reason other than. it is cheaper ...say no more when you can't afford FF
@@CoreQ I can “afford” dozens of FF without any problem. I simply have no interest carrying pounds of gears to summit a peak.
I sold my Nikon FF DSLR gear because it's freaking heavy. I hike a lot, 100s of meters of elevation gain/ascend a day, 10s of km of distance. I count every 100 grams so I don't want to carry 3-4kg of FF gear just to have the same ability as with 1-1.5 APSC gear@@CoreQ
If it weren't for the fact that people on marketplace are selling a7iii cheaper than a6000s then I probably would but I like the thought of full frame low light
Used cameras from a few years ago will always give the best performance/price ratio.
a7III is still a great camera, as it was back then, for not a lot of money today.
Where i live, both of them cost almost the same used.
If you are on a budget then a crop sensor is what you are working with. But if you can afford the lens cost of a full frame then it is a no brainer. You can always crop in. But then again, some amazing footage has been made on crop sensor cameras. Not the best for vlogging though.
most important thing in photography is Light, depth of field, and Dynamic range. full frame has superior over cropped cameras in these subjects=).. no one cares about if your camera is 250gr lighter. :D .. if you have money, go for the full frame. what is it with this everyone praising crop sensors.. i am a crop sensor user, but as soon as i got enough money i will move to Fullframe
Crop sensor cameras have a smaller battery and they drain faster. So you have to know what you are Taking pictures of. While the full frame camera last longer and you can keep going and going before you have to change the battery
my a7v and a6700 use the the same battery...
Not true as the a6700 uses the same battery as the A9iii
No free lunch. You get what you pay for. If you can’t tell the difference buy what’s cheaper. If you are a pro and get paid to deliver better images go full frame. There is a difference if you know what to look for.
Well said
So true. It depends if you are making a living, you want all the advantage you can possibly have. I have "few" cameras, they all take great pictures, but there is a difference. For work, full frame and medium format.
full frame doesn't specify the proness of a camera. For example, the d750 back in the day was a full frame digital reflex camera from Nikon... and it was a beginner camera, much like the Canon 6D family. But if you look at the Sony A77II and the Nikon D500, both of these are PROFESSIONAL APS-C cameras. Why they are aps-c? Because they're made to reach longer with the crop, in fact they work better with FX lenses than with DX ones.
Professional sports photographer here and been using a Sony aps-c body for 3 years now.
I live and die by it.
@@kingghidorah8106 I agree with you. Crop and Full Frame are similar if you crop the FF to the same dimension as the crop picture. Crop is cheaper because the smaller sensor is cheaper to mfr. Both can have great quality. I think working distance is the determining factor. Medium Format can produce stunning pics but is usually too expensive for the average photographer.
This video is one big nonsense:
1) There are FF cameras for 1300 USD new. Many APS-C cameras are much more expensive than some FF cameras.
2) Many APS-C cameras are heavier than some FF cameras.
3) The contrary applies for wide angles. As an one example out of many there is no APS-C equivalent for a tiny yet decent 16mm f/2.8 weighing mere 165g.
4) What FF lens across manufacturers do you really miss? Moreover, above you argument with smaller size and weight of APS-C and now you recommend to buy "big and heavy" FF lenses?
Any of your point does not make any sense.
What about landscape ? Full frame of croped
Is there anyone out here who can give a good explanation to my question
if I take a same photo with a 200mp phone camera and a 24mp or even 50mp dslr camera which one has the best details, im not talking about the overall quality and color of the photo
when I zoom in which one gets more pixelated first,is it dslr because even though it captures the more quality image it has less resolution than the phone's 200mp camera sensor?
while 200mp may sound better, the lens on a phone will not likely be sharp enough to retain detail on a heavy crop. The higher the mp the more the lens quality matters, that's why even a low mp dslr has more detail than most phones
The DSLR will have more detail if you zoom in.
Often with modern phones, they have very high resolution (MP), but when you zoom in it will be a sharp, but noisy mess looking like an oil painting.
The DSLR will have less MP, but if you zoom in it will actually show you details.
This is mostly because of the bigger sensor and the better lenses.
I recently saw a great video comparing the details of 48MP iPhone photos with a 12MP camera.
It was not close.
I am into wildlife. Fo u think cropping a photo from a crop censor camera reduces picture quality badly?
Yes, cropping a photo taken on a full frame doesn’t match the quality of the crop sensor. Just bcos its crop sensor doesn’t mean its a cropped version of the full sensor. Crop sensor actually has the same no of pixel as that of full sensor. So you can imagine the kind of quality you will get at that zoom level.
@@t7m7ithank you!!🎉 Many ppl here are delusional amateurs that NEVER earned money with their cams..smh.. especially for video. MOST movies were shot on crop sensor videography cams! Nowadays, the megapixel counts allow for clean and crisp pictures as well. I reach for my apsc over full frame 90% of the time. With the cheaper lenses, a apsc cam is best for the MAJORITY of enthusiasts.💯💯
@@t7m7i wtf are you saying please use grammar.
@@t7m7i you made zero sense
@@CocoKoi321 Apologies, my friend. To enhance your comprehension, here's a revised explanation with correct grammar. If it remains unclear, consider reading it slowly for better understanding.-
Yes, cropping a photo taken with a full-frame camera can’t achieve the same quality as one taken with a crop sensor. A crop sensor, also known as an APS-C sensor, doesn’t mean the sensor itself is cropped; it simply refers to a smaller sensor size compared to full-frame sensors. Despite its smaller physical size, a crop sensor contains the same number of pixels as a full sensor. Therefore, you can imagine the level of quality you’ll obtain when zoomed in on a crop sensor.
Bro is it true that the full frame gives you a better quality than apsc?
I guess the answer is pretty much depending the definition of quality.
Sharpness - No
Low light performance - Yes🙌
@@PlaybyPausevery uneducated response. We’ve seen very clearly that image quality is drastically cleaner and sharper on full frame especially when you’re looking at higher resolutions. Check the new Fujifilm X100VI. It actually had worse sharpness than the X100V in all settings. APS-C is a great budget option, but the best APS-C budget options are gonna be used cameras from KEH/MPB. If you’re spending almost 2k on a body then just get full frame and research which full frame would work best for your interests.
Laughs in Panasonic GH5, speed booster, and FF 24-70
fellow m4/3 enjoyer
Canon r8?
what matters is the content
Pure sharing ♥️
full frame is best light , crop have noise
Eh with the advent of AI denoise, this is becoming less relevant and the technology will improve overtime as well
@@Knogooseness I use denoiser in AE/Premiere w my apsc. But Topaz denoiser can do even amazing denoising haha
The Sony a6700 has new low light tech. Low light is way better then any other apsc body on the market
It's ridiculous that this rip-off of a normal camera called a7c 2 costs 2500$, and 1500$ for an aps-c is a fuckload
Full frame over apsc any given day. Apsc is good for amateurs. Full frame is for mature professionals
You have no clue what you’re talking about little buddy
But the a6400 is terrible for rolling shutter and stability.
A6400 readout is fine and it has faster auto focus then many full frame bodies. And it takes great video and photos.
The readout on the a6400 is very fast as well. All cameras has rolling shutter but not the Sony A9iii
I have both
yo who's the male model? His hair is so fluffy
Nice
Nah, I want a slightly used A7C and a couple of nice lenses.
A6500 =700€, a7iii =950€
you will not need full frame anymore when you start using crop sensor + lightroom
These are the youtuber reasons.
So the bank still broke either way. Consumerism.
🤣
people debating aps-c or fullframe:
me: m4/3s
Bro you can't compare the a7iv to the a6400 or even the a6700
A6700 is such a scam tho compared to the a7c2
Not a fair comparison whether it’s price point or capabilities
a7c2 -over 2000$
Sony “asked” RUclipsrs to promote its crop crap.
if you cant afford a FF modern Mirrorless camera you should'nt be calling yourself a Photographer
There is no reason for going for a crop sensor. Always choose a Full Frame. The intention of the video is good but if you have the money always choose full frame.
Yes, if all you do is walk in the city ... Try to carry all that gear (no less than 4 kg) on a long hike ...
@@GK-dd5ci Use your phone then, that's what I do.
@@jamesmicolta5330 the difference between FF and APS-C is far smaller than between APS-C and phone
Not true, they are both tools. I've been doing pro boxing for years with a aps-c body and as long as you know what your doing you can get professional results
Or just buy eos r8
Canon? What year is this? 2008?
jk. Everyone should do their research. Enough resource online.
The A7CII is wayy better
There is no better APSC camera then Fujifilm X-H2s at the moment, actually destroys all the competition
bullshit ....