Exploring Tim Drake - The Perfect Robin
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2020
- Taking a look at the World's Second Greatest Detective, and why he's Batman's perfect partner.
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"Dick saw being Robin as a thrill. It's probably why he outgrew it. Jason saw being Robin as a game. It's probably what got him killed. But Tim, I have to hand it to the boy... he wants to be the world's greatest detective. And from what I've seen so far... he will be someday." -Batman
Where did you find this quote
It's from Batman #617. Variant Comics also mentioned this on their video on Tim Drake.
@@kingchange2027 probably young justice...
@@user-MB17 thanks
@@kingchange2027 Batman Hush
Tim Drake’s motivation has always been his big heart and his caring nature. After losing Jason, Batman needed someone to keep him grounded and Tim was the one to do that.
What Batman needed was therapy, and not to endanger another teen with a life of crime-fighting
What ever every robin keeps him sane and that's what matters and Jason can beat him up and he did several times
@@zadolbalopridumivat True. He really should've stopped bringing in sidekicks after Jason died.
@@superstarultra28 no, jason is the one offer to work with batman, batman was reluctant at first, and damian is, well you know😂
the worst part about this is the fact that he died in the injustice universe
He’s the most underrated Robin. He doesn’t get the respect he deserves.
I know right! Tim is my favorite Robin, he's the Robin I grew up with.
He doesn't feel overshadowed by Batman like Dick was.
He's not trying to be better than Batman like Jason was.
And he wasn't trying to be Batman like Damian was.
He just wants to be Batman's partner, the guy that he can rely on to have his back while being the guy that others can rely on. He just wants to help the best he can.
The problem with tim is that is easyer o tell stoeyes with the other.
He dont have the sheer amout of dedicated runs and wide reaching charisma that dick had.
He cant pull of the edgelor drama card like jason
He isnt as centred in the superhuman society net as daimian nor he have the that childsh personaly of daimian.
Tim is a problem solver at heart ho made him a great asset on a superhero team but no so much to create drama.
He's the Robin I want to use in my stories. Not enough love for him other than CoFfEe
And worst characters like Damien are soooo overrated
@@sevensevenseven9351 when he is wirthen well in comics he is ok, in the animated movies... *YES*
Dick is my favorite (not only Robin but superhero in general), but yeah Tim is THE Robin, y'know? Jason always struggled with his anger, abandonment, and trust issues. Dick always compared himself with Bruce in a very unhealthy way and grew resentful toward him. Tim was always just chillin...being himself. With the Batclan, Teen Titans, and Young Justice he's always struggling to best himself as a leader.
He had no dark backstory like the others, he became Robin because he simply wanted to.
Plus his brain is the most like Bruce, so...
Dick is your favourite? Ok then
Wouldn't be remiss to say that Red Robin is the kind of hero Batman would've been if Bruce didn't lose his parents.
Then again, I dunno. Bruce's primary trigger for his sense of justice is vengeance, so maybe that evaluation was a bit too optimistic.
@@mbtisocialclub Gonna make a gay joke subscribed to Shane Dawson, huh? Big Yikes.
And then there's Damien
Hometown Rapper 😂 someone had to say it
*Tim:* "I figured out who Batman AND the original Robin are, by myself, had both of my parents die (not simultaneously, mind you), and then built up my own group of friends by myself. What did you do?"
*Damian:* "I was born."
Hahahaha! Good one.
Why are you everywhere? I see you in so many comment sections, I'm starting to lose my mind.
@@shinkinshin001119 Wait, the comments of this video or even at other videos? I watch a lot of comic book content. Hahaha!
Damian: “My dad was date-raped by my mom.”
Zuko: “That’s rough buddy.”
See u everywere man
Tim is Batman if he never suffered so much tragedy.
TrueBlue AoV
Having his rich parents die
So he is basically the shadow of batmans inner self
He's Batman but if he had friends growing up
ETHANDAALLMIGHTY Tim is Batman without the tragedy. Dick is Batman without the brooding. Jason is Batman without the restraint.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko I'd argue that Jason is Bruce with MORE restraint. In many adaptations Bruce says that if he starts killing he cannot stop. Jason, on the other hand, is capable of killing and not killing whoever he wants.
The fact that Jason even wrote “the best of us” on Tim’s grave in DCeased, just...
If only DC thought the way Jason did
Aw
Why Damien hated Tim is because everyone saw and acknowledged him as his father's one true successor. Damien knew that his own grandpa, Ra's himself called Tim Detective, the title of Batman. On the other hand, his mother revived and molded Jason into an unbeatable fighter. He then saw his father, with pride in his eyes everytime they met or worked with Dick. So in a way the mantle of Robin is far more important to Damien because each of them had been acknowledged by someone from his own family. That's how I see it
Tim can have the Robin mantle if he wants. DAMIAN will still inherit THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS, THE LEAGUE OF SHADOWS AND THE LEAGUE OF LAZARUS. The vast worldwide Al Ghul criminal empire is his real inheritance shown in Batman Beyond. Just like Octavian and The Roman Empire.
Dick Grayson - The First
Jason Todd - The mistake
Tim Drake - The Reasonable
Stephanie Brown - The Forgotten One
Damian Wayne - An Opportunity
Terry Mcginnis - A Legacy
Was there really this many Robin's in Bruce Wayne'slife?
May I use your words to describe some of my characters? Pretty please
@@dantu5377 Yup. There's also Duke Thomas, who wasn't really a Robin but lead the We Are Robin movement, Carrie Kelly, and Jarro!
Damian Wayne - a second mistake
Max Alain also the second greatest failure
Dick Grayson: Some are born great.
Jason Todd: Some achieve greatness.
Tim Drake: Others have greatness thrust upon them.
Damian : creator of greatness
@@arunr4407 *Created from greatness
So, essentially
Dick Greyson is arguably the most similar out of the three first Robins (not including Damian, I don't actually know much about him other than his story). Dick had his family killed in a similar manner and Batman helped him take his revenge but ultimately thought him to use favour justice over it, much like him. However, the thing about Dick that separates him is that he got over revenge, and sought justice out of responsibility, which lead him a very different path than Bruce. Dick realized this and separated himself from the idea of Batman. Robin belonged by Batman's side; Nightwing didn't.
Jason Todd is the polar opposite. He owed nothing to justice and was driven by not vengeance but injustice, unfairness, and locked away emotions. He was driven by the pleasure of being the thrill, playing Robin like a game, as Batman mentioned in Hush. Unlike Dick or Bruce, becoming a vigilante wasn't a reaction to tragedy but an expression. It was when he started expressing too much "getting his head in the game" so to speak, that he made the mistakes that Batman berated him for, causing it to spiral to his death. When he came back as Red Hood, in spite of becoming a killer, it was the closest thing to Batman he has ever been. It wasn't just an expression, he was now motivated by pain and revenge rather than it simply being an expression of the injustices that he felt.
Tim Drake, however, did it out of responsibility. It wasn't motivated by vengeance, nor any wish to release something upon the world for pleasure. He did this out of nobility. He did it because it was right. He is arguably the most noble out of the Robins because of this. He simply wished to help and I think that speaks more than a lot about his character.
So he's like the Superman of the robins?
Your explanation of the Robin's is my favorite in this comment section.
That's not accurate. Dick got picked up immediyat after and created Robin. He wanted to be Robin after catching his killer.
The position had already been established. Drake also did it not out of nobility for justice but to help Batman.
Anyway that's not how nobility works. And also Dick and Jason were both much younger. 9 and 12 respectively.
And how Jason died wasnt because of some game. He died when his altruism and naivete made him trust his criminal mom(tho he didn't know that).
@@DSan-kl2yc That is correct but simply out of order. You are just jumbling up the timeline when in the end, its the same difference to what I said.
@@DSan-kl2yc You are correct but that doesn't mean your right.
In addition to wanting to help Batman, as he grew in both the Young Justice and Teen Titans comics. It becomes more of a sense of nobility. He just a boy who wanted to do the right thing. Maybe at first, the right thing at the time was to help Batman. However, it grows to be so much.
And if you read his "Robin" comic, we can tell early on that he was just like Clark, he simply wanted to do the right thing. And that why to me he's my favorite Robin.
Though I like Jason Todd and Dick Grayson more, I do feel like Tim Drake works best as a partner because of his skills and how he is different from the other Robins.
In a way, Tim's motivations are similar to Carrie Kelley's in _The Dark Knight Returns._
Agreed. IMO Tim was the best Robin. He was an asset on the field and in the cave. Bruce often had him do missions alone and trusted him to get things done. Even when Bruce was being a jerk to him, Tim never took it personal like Dick would. He would always stick with him. Tim and Bruce are much closer on an emotional level than anyone else, even Damian. They're most like father/son of all the Robins.
@@marcusmcneal7453 Eh then it seems Tim was unrealistically mature. If he never took things personal with Bruce, then they definitely did not have a father/son relationship haha. A perfect professional relationship for sure, but the previous ones were truly family
Gaiusx2 Haha It’s because Tim actually came from a nice family and didn’t have a bad upbringing. His family is rich and only lives a short distance from Bruce. He’s was a lot smarter and well adjusted than most people in the Batfamily. His issue is that he can be too sensitive and gets his feelings hurt easily. He internalizes everything.
@@gaiusx287 because he never lost his parents.
@@Arkhamman2023 he lost both of his parents later, because he decided to be Robin. Get your facts straight man
It sucks that Tim doesent get alot of apperances in the animated movies/shows. I mean he was in young justice but he barely gets anything to do. I really want a movie or show that shows Tims personality in the forefront. As always great video!
ComedyTitan, I agree with you entirely that Tim should get either an animated movie/show because Dick and Jason had plenty of animated series they were in, but it seems like nowadays Tim is the most underrated Robin because you barley see him in Batman series because he’s barley recognized.
He has the Arkham series...but they basically just made him Dick Grayson in those so...I get your point
Have you read the first half of jeff Jhon's teen titans run? I just finished it on DCuniverse and really enjoyed tim in it.
He was in the batman animated series and he was also in batman beyond return of the joker
Free For All, in both of those he was a Jason Todd clone because The Animated series and Batman Beyond didn’t want to have a Jason Todd origin story that was tortured and killed by The Joker just to be brought back to life by Superboy Prime punching a whole in reality a feat that Goku has also been shown to have, but Superman fanboys wank off to Superman and claiming he’s the bestest DC superhero ever.
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For me as well
I really hate the fact that DC always seems to just ignore Tim, and I really don’t know why. His stories are just as great or even better than the stories for Dick, Jason, and especially Damian. We need to have Tim Drake series either as Robin or Red Robin, a reboot of Young Justice where the lineup is the original members:
Robin(Tim Drake)
Superboy(Conner Kent)
Impulse(Bart Allen)
Wondergirl(Cassie Sandsmark)
To show how important he is to the bat family, young justice, and teen titans, cuz I really hate how DC just ignores like he doesn’t exist in favor of Damian(who I don’t hate).
There's a book about that right now in DC it's written by bendis
Anything written by Bendis is terrible.
@@webtely followed that book all the way to its cancellation - it’s shit.
A good Tim Drake team book would be pre-New 52 Teen Titans, he was such a good leader ;-;
It's not just Tim most of those 90's sidekicks got replaced. Just look at the parallels between Tim Drake Robin and Connor Kent Superboy. After the 90's they didn't know what to do with them.
@@gregmatic2861 I wouldn’t specifically say that they didn’t know what they wanted to do with Tim and Conner after the 90s since during the 2000s they actually had a lot of character growth and stories that they would be famous for such as Geoff Johns run on Teen Titans, where they revealed that Conner is a clone of Superman and Lex Luthor, and they it to their advantage to develop Conner, cuz even though he’s a clone of a hero and a villain, he learns that it’s the path he chooses that well define him who he is. And yes, when Damian Wayne came along and became Robin, it left Tim at a awkward spot since he was well known as Robin and embraced the mantle, but I honestly think him becoming Red Robin was a good choice.
And I know people said that Tim can’t stand out of his own outside the robin mantle, but I don’t think that’s true bc the red robin series is the only series that shows that Tim can stand out on his own outside the robin mantle like Dick and Jason. And I know that Robin and Red Robin have the word “robin” but they’re actually separated identities. People forgot that the red robin mantle is supposed to symbolize ideology of Batman but just happened to have the word “Robin” in it. And when Tim took the identity of RR, even though it had the word “Robin” it was mostly a way to show Tim that is just like Bruce as a detective and at the same time it shows him that he can be more than just Batman’s partner.
So honestly I don’t think they had no idea what to do with these characters after the 90s as both Conner and Tim went through a lot of growth from Tim’s journey from Robin to Red Robin and Conner’s identity crisis. I honestly think that after flashpoint they didn’t know what to do with these characters, but I mainly blame the writers. But this is all my opinion
Tim is my favorite Robin for all the reasons you said. Mainly because he WAS Batman's parter. The other Robins were "partners" but really sidekicks. I always say that Tim is the true Robin. Dick was always under Bruce's shadow and compared himself too him that led him to be his own superhero. Jason's ego, abandedment issues, and impulsive behavior got him killed and turning on Bruce, the one person who he thought would never abandon him but did (In Jason's eyes). Damian is desend to take over the mantle of Batman when he is ready. But one thing they all have in common was that they didn't really chose to be crimefighters. Tim chosed to be because it was the right thing to do. That is what makes him the best.
You're wrong on two counts. Tim is probably the most sidekick out of all the batman's. Dick is probably the most partner.
They all also made the choice to be crime fighters..Bruce was against Dick doing it. Or to at least shelve him. Dick had to insist on keeping the position.
Damian had to fight his way in.
And even Jason made a choice repeatedly. He could have stopped and just enjoyed being at wayne manor.
Tim didn't need Batman to fight crime, or to be Robin. He didn't choose to be a crimefighter. He chose to be batman's partner.
And Batman decided for him to be trained by others. That wasn't Tim either.
@@DSan-kl2yc You make some good points. That was just how I always viewed it in my head but really it all depends on the writer. Different writers have different stories they want to tell using these characters in new ways, so in a sense we both are right.
@@DSan-kl2yc This. Dick is Bruce’s partner, and he understands Bruce better than the rest.
Jason and Damian have strong personalities and don’t go along with every decision Batman makes.
Tim is just a obedient child soldier
@@joestriker8518 Tim understand what Batman needs so he disobeys him sometimes by LYING TO BATMAN (therefore, not that obedient) and also his brain is almost at par with Bruce’s so therefore he understands him the best out of all the Robins. (Just what I think)
I always found myself more attracted to Tim's Robin. I loved the rest but I always loved how calculated he was. Thank you for this video Sage.
Tim is literally the only robin who stayed with the name Robin after growing up.
When the character is so perfect writers don’t know what to do after a while
Still don’t know much about Tim Drake but I imagine that he struggled with his own demons and that combined with his obsessive nature would destroy him, Tim is a product of Bruce’s teachings
While he was training to become Robin his parents were kidnapped by the Opium man in the Caribbean and Batman had to save them. Bruce managed to save Tim's father but his mother was poisoned and died in the hospital. And much later during identity crisis Tim's father dies by the hand of Captain Boomerang making him an orphan and leading to Batman to once again adopt another child who lost their parents.
Tim being Robin lead to his dad dying and his step mom becoming mentally broken also his best friend Sebastian Ives got cancer and his young justice pal Died
his best friend (Kon), his girlfriend (Steph), and his father all died within the same year, you can see how that would break a person
You litterly watched a video about Tim drake and you still don't know much about him.... bruh
@@Arkhamman2023 it was more of a symbolic video not a detailed description of him
Tim is so sick. I read the first volume of Detective Comics Rebirth and I love him. He’s definitely the smartest out of the Robins
Tim’s detective skills are amazing.
Tim always struck me as a mix of Sherlock Holmes and L from Death Note during his pre52 Red Robin days. Starting out almost too perfect in his first introduction, but the further his story went along, you start to see how flawed his actions and beliefs are when he's confronted with personal issues.
The fact that Tim Drake was able to figure out that Dick was Robin(former) and Bruce was Batman all from watching a Circus show is incredible. *Most underrated Robin ever*
Tim’s story is kind of inspiring.
He saved Batman’s soul.
Tim has brains and works hard and it shows if u work hard u can do anything.
I wanna see a lot of this guy in live action so bad.
By far my favourite robin as robin simply because this guy is my robin.
Tim Drake is the most underrated robin in my opinion.
Tim Drake is always been my favorite Robin, his intellect put him in the same league as Batman, his run as Red Robin is my favorite story arch with Tim and see Ra's calling him DETECTIVE was the most proud moment of that run....and that run kind proves that if DC have the balls one day to officially retire Bruce as Batman.....in my opinion Tim is the most qualify person to become BATMAN and his training supported this, yes he isnt the best fighter, but Batman have not become the world's most famous crime fighter because of his skills as a fighter, he is Batman because of his shard mind, and Tim match Bruce on that level perfectly and also have become an incredible fighter himself.
Tim is really underrated this really captured what makes him a great character loving these bat family videos really hope we can get one on Cassandra Cain soon
My favorite male superhero! That moment when he completely undid Ra’s Al Ghul’s plan by calling in his friends to help him out is one of my favorite moments in comics period.
Dick Grayson & Tim Drake will always be the Robin's for me
Finally, someone who acknowledges the best robin
All the Robins are fascinating (videos on all of them please!). Tim Drake, to me, was the one who healed & grounded Bruce. He, more than the others, gave to Bruce more (as much?) as he got.
Tim is the epitome of Batman's hope: to inspire a better future for Gotham. He wants to fight injustice without having suffered great turmoil, simply because it is right. After the loss of Jason, Tim had it harder than any other Robin, and yet he still persisted. He is the best of Batman, and could therefore never be him. He can be better.
Tim Drake needs the big screen treatment I'm also not digging his current costume or name.
As much as I hate that cowl, his first Red Robin suit was clean as hell.
@MsCassidy23 I actually wouldn’t mind if they brought that costume back but make a few updates like replacing the cowl with the domino mask.
I kinda like the cowl. He's the only Robin to wear one and I think Alex Ross created it
This is a wonderful poignant look at Tim as Robin!
I see the comments here about him not having a dark past or needing to struggle before he became Robin though. And to those I say: He had a different situation. He had parents, but with how they often they left him to his own devices he might as well had none. He was a smart kid, taught to be the poster child and self-sufficient - convenient to show off and easy to manage. Neglected and manipulated by his own parents - of course, he'd get attached to Bruce who might have been harsh in the beginning, but also praised him and cared about him as a person.
(I have too many feels and will shut up now.)
Well said.
That is how someone like him would turn out. I myself am a older middle child who was left to his own devices mostly by loving parents. That is the thing about Tim I love he reminds me of myself in some ways(not the brilliance part), but I can verify that when someone like that sees someone who will always show interest in you, even if they do it in a strange way, you will gravitate towards that person. Just like Tim you will also realize how much you love your parents when hard times strike or you are removed form them for an extended period. Like the wise Syu said I should shut up now.
Didn't he also witness Dick's parents fall to their deaths when his dad took him to the circus to help him cope with his mother's death?
That would mess with someone and I always saw that as the reasoning behind Tim's fixation with Nightwing (because, technically, he _was_ stalking him) and his inability to cope with personal loss without losing his famous objectivity. Of course, it could also do with the fact that, like Bruce, Tim came from a life of priviledge and opportunity, but unlike anyone in the batfamily he didn't suffer the same losses as them until he was well into his teens. A high IQ can only get an individual so far if they aren't fully aware of the consequences of their actions, and while Tim seemed to think he knew what he was getting into (with Batman's training and all), it wasn't until he really got in deep enough to lose everything that the reality of the situation became clear to him. Kind of like those stories about hackers who thinks that because they've been doing it for years and have the expensive technology that they can say, "I'm calling the police" in a deep web chatroom because they let their disgust get the better of them.
@@MsCassidy23 Timelines are always tricky with comics, but I'm fairly sure his mother would die later. Seeing as there were several offhand mentions of his parents (not just his dad) going on long business trips.
I agree that watching the Grayson's fall to their deaths would be jarring and could very well be a reason why he has a hard time dealing with loss. Although he was very young at the time, I dunno if he understood the situation.
@@epsbandy I would have to look it up again (been awhile) but I think it stated that his mother had cancer during that time, but I have had trouble keeping track of which one went into the coma and which one died. Either way, dead or absent, it speaks volumes to Tim's attachment to Dick and Bruce. Both played the part of father and older brother Tim needed and wasn't getting. I will even go as far to say that, while Damian and Jason's interaction with Tim was almost always a bloody fight, it may have been a little good for him too, mostly as a life lesson of not always being the favorite in the family.
Because, let's face it, Tim was the baby of the Batfamily before Damian showed up and needed everyone's attention, so it kind of gave him a taste of what it was to be Jason Todd.
I really appreciate your basing this on the pre-New 52 Tim Drake and not the hot, thermonuclear mess he was after the reboot.
What happened to him post-New 52?
@@rainbowdash9388 Let’s just say before he became Robin, Tim Drake earned himself a place on Penguin’s hit list.
@@DylanGarcia1619 please just tell me and don’t hint at it. I’m probably not going to read it so there’s no point in keeping anything back
@@rainbowdash9388 Tim offered to become Robin, but Batman refused. To get Batman to take him in, Tim stole money from Penguin’s bank accounts and donated it to charity. Penguin found out, traced it back to Tim’s house, and had multiple of his goons attempt to kill Tim and his entire family. They were stopped, Tim’s family was placed in witness protection, and Bruce had to take Tim in to keep him safe. And that’s how Tim became Robin: by almost causing his family to be gunned down by gangsters.
@@DylanGarcia1619 thanks man
Tim is my favorite robin due to the fact that I relate to him so much. I don’t have a tragic story I just want to do as much good as possible.
*_0:20_**_ NOW, HE IS THE BEST DETECTIVE, EVEN BRUCE & VIZ SAGE RECOGNIZED HIM BETTER THAN THEM, EVEN FOR HIS YOUNG AGE_*
Tim will always be my favorite Robin and never gets enough love. You did an amazing tribute to him here.
My thing with Tim is he's the pragmatic Robin a more human batman in the making. Always looking at the bigger picture and greater good
Once again Sage's Rain you proven that you truly know the hidden meaning behind characters and what makes them tick. And you're right all the Robins are definitely different especially Tim.
Dick as Nightwing is a great team leader because he has better trust in people than Batman.
Jason as Red Hood is a great Marksman and at times a better combatant then even Batman because he doesn't hold back and fights to win.
Tim as Red Robin or even before then is a great strategist, Detective, and leader. He's the perfect mixture of Nightwing and Batman.
And Damien in my eyes is the jack of all trades with leadership skills like Nightwing, brutality like Red Hood, and detective skills like Red Robin. And honestly he's more of a mixture of Batman and red hood considering Jason was also trained by the League of Assassins.
Tim Drake is the greatest Robin, and my favorite Batman partner.
You made me like Tim Drake more
when you didn't have dead parents, whole planet blows up, tragic backstory, or super power with grand purpose
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Tim was always my favorite idk why but ever since I was 11 I gravitated to him
This was an excellent analysis of the character. He represents Bruce's intuition without being impacted by tragedy. Loved how you approached your thoughts and expressed them. Very well done.
Bro Tim is my favorite Robin as Robin, and I hate that hes so underrated in the batman community, #JUSTICEFORTIM
Liked this video since Tim Drake was the first Robin I learned about in media even though they changed him a little in BTAS. Can't wait for a Damian Wayne video.
The best Tim story that came out of the reboot was his detective comics run but that’s because he was literally treated like he was treated when he was Robin.
Tim Drake, the hero everyone needed but doesn't deserve.
Tim has always been my favorite Robin. He's always been to me the perfect son to Bruce a reflection of his best qualities.
Never realized that out of all the Robins he’s probably the one can most relate to.
Yes because he already had a life before becoming Robin and it was fun to see him living his life but also having the responsibility of being Robin
@@blakeimortal1084 More than that, he was a teenager. Not saying Dick or Jason or Damian aren't, but in their runs, their being a teenager was minimized in favor of them being vigilantes. With Tim's run, you see him acting like a teenager, having a tumultuous relationship with his dad, experience teenager things like high school social settings, teen pregnancies, school shootings, bullying. He also internalizes and goes through a lot of self-esteem issues, which is very rampant for people especially around that age. He's very relatable.
@@cainyourkids exactly that's why I love reading the chuck dixon run
@@cainyourkids so true!!
A genius prodigy and athlete from a wealthy background is more relatable than a street kid from a broken home?
Interesting.
Tim in my opinion will always be the robin because even when he went solo, even when no one saw batman to be alive, he didn't go away from the role of Robin, he was "red robin" he was and still a robin, just one the had a goal to find a person who he looked up too.
Tim Drake is my favourite character in fiction and I am so happy to see you doing a video on him! :)
Tim has always been very underrated in my opinion
It’s like after return of the joker every writer is scared to write for Tim Drake
Please do one on Wally West. I believe he truly is the perfect Flash and a hero with a great arc and can you discuss the current problems with his character.
Tim Drake is the best, hes been my childhood favorite and its awesome to see people want more of him! His red and black suit is my favorite for sure
Tim drake is definitely my favourite robin
Dick: the golden child the favorite
Jason: the survivor
Tim: the most like batman
Damien: the youngest with the most to prove
This ^^
Tim is the most like Clark in my eyes.
Always love a kid who sees Batman and sees immediately through to the help he needs emotionally
Dude great Vid, Tim Drake is my favourite DC character and is extremely underrated.
We need some spotlight on these underrated DC characters, Kyle Rayner, Tim Drake, there’s too many to list here
And yeah he is the only Robin that hasnt had a traumatic backstory that doesnt Make him any less engaging and it's nice he is like the new teen titans leaders in some comics
IN LIVE ACTION I WANNA SEE.
1.batman movie after the death of Jason where Tim saves his soul.
2.Tim training and eventually getting the Robin mantle.
3.A full on robin movie or series staring Tim based on his mini series or long comic runs cuz there’s some rlly good solo stories we need to see adapted.
4.i wanna see Tim’s relationship with Stephanie Brown aka Spoiler.
5.wanna see Tim feature in something with Jason Todd to show Todd dealing with him as his replacement.
6.I wanna see Tim going down the red robin route and getting his own soul saved by his friends after finding it hard to except Bruce’s death.
7.i wanna see Tim be the only one able to save Bruce’s soul one last time showing Tim’s belief to give up on Bruce wasn’t wrong like he did at the end of the return of Bruce Wayne story.
8.I wanna see Tim surpass Bruce as the worlds greatest detective.
Why don’t you make that live action yourself?
@@treyarch8143 well I’d love to don’t have the qualifications yet and I doubt I’ll ever get the opportunity to do something like this
“Partner” has taken on a whole new meaning now
Honestly Tim Drake is my favorite Robin. His dynamics with the others from the Batfamily (except Damian - the two are fighting like there is no tomorrow) are so fun to watch. And as said in the video, he trust his friends and is a perfect partner. he acts out of conviction. He i basically THE Robin
i love tim drake robin he's really awesome and badass
what's weird is that TIm was the 2nd most popular Robin before Damian and Jason but even since popularity for Jason and Damian rose up, DC just left him and made him a ass kisser for Batman and for Some characters to disrespect him
Tho he may not be the 2nd most popular batboy anymore, he's still at least the 2nd most popular as robin from what I've seen
I would say that at his height, he was the most popular Robin.
At first, the writers were scared that his popularity would endanger Damian. So they did everything they could to lowkey downgrade him. Even going as far as erasing Dick's and Tims's brotherly relationship and turning it more into a co-worker one.
Then he became more of a joke to the writers than anything.
4:10 I present to you the best impression of batman ever pulled off by a robin
Tim will always be my favorite Robin for his big heart (aside from Dick) that none of the other Robins could actually have and his detective skills are almost as good as Batman’s. He figured out Nightwing and Batman's identity by small clues. Tim plays are much larger role in the Batman Arkham games and a role in The New Batman Adventures. I love Tim Drake as Robin. Like Val Kilmer as Batman said: "I'm both Bruce Wayne and Batman, not because I have to be, but because I choose to be." That quote is as close as what Tim's reason of being Robin is.
This is why I’m glad it’s Tim as Robin and not Damian in Gotham Knights
People heavily influenced by the video games and animated series over the books will find Tim generic - because those sources stripmined Tim Drake for elements to put into Greyson, Todd, etc.
When I think of Robin, I think Tim. I think no one suited the role more than Tim. His transition into Red Robin was great. Dick has too much tension, mistrust, and rivalry towards Bruce. Jason had too much anger and hate, Tim was just pure Robin.
This gave me a new appreciation for tim drake I see him as the greatest support
Tim ill always be my favorite Robin.
My favorite robin of all time for precisely the reasons you touched upon. I read that amazing Red Robin run and felt like I was reading about Batman Jr and I loved it. Tim is a healthier, more emotionally well rounded Batman and probably just as smart if not smarter.
"tim drake is different from the other robins"
yeah, he's the only 1 that gets a stable relationship that lasts more than 2 issues
He was the robin I was first introduced to before I went full geek. I got introduced to Batman watching the new adventures of Batman and Robin.
It is sad not alot of people give tim the praise he deserves including me , my favourite robin is Damian , opinion on the mater is that he is written so perfectly like we as the reader identify or for a better word see ourselves ,what we strive to be our disappointment , our flaws in characters that are not perfect in flawed characters (.how they overcome their flaws what is there reasoning, all a are important) . Jason was filed with anger dick had self doubt and was angry at batman like u said compared himself to batman in unhealthy way and Damian well he is damian enough said😂😂 but tim was always perfect that maybe is the reason why he doesn't get the respect he deserves and that's sad cuz like outta everyone i truly think he is the best suited to be batman after bruce cuz his most important quality is that he is a detective ,
I mean when one of Batman’s biggest enemies refers to you with the same name he calls Bruce by that should tell you who should hold the mantle
This confirms it: obviously this man is a man with discerning tastes. Salute a real one when you see one!
I love each Robin in there own unique way. Tim Drake is definitely special and one of a kind
I genuinely wanna learn how to write and understand a character the same way you do
I always forget about Tim Drake is DC trying to remove him from existence or something?
If it wasn't for me playing all the Arkham Games and reading files i would of never knew about him.
I know of Dick Grayson Because of Nightwing,
Jason Todd for Red Hood
Damien Wayne for being Bruce's Son
and I know of Carrie Kelly because I like Dark Knight Returns.
I heard of Stephanie Brown, but all I know is that she died and ruined Batman's Reputation.
Stephanie Brown & Tim Drake are the two Robin's DC likes to keep out of the spotlight.
It’s funny cuz dc loooves giving dick Tim’s traits. In young justice it’s his team and his skills. And in teen Titans it’s his attitude and attire. Wtf, dc?
Tim Drake is the robin I believe is worthy of the mantle of Batman.
Out of all the Robins he is the only one who balances Bruce. The rest just compete with him
I'm pretty sure Dick balanced him out too
Bull. You never read Batman before him to think that.
This is objectively wrong. From their opposite personalities to the fighting style, Dick balances Bruce the best.
Dick and Damian are just as good if not better
@Star battle 2099 no they do not. Just two smart detectives while Tim the sidekick listens to Batman
My favorite robin
I really love his Red Robin series and that pre-New52 Red Robin costume and wish that brought that back in rebirth
Is it me or does anyone think that Tim drake is really similar to Donatello from the teenage mutant ninja turtles
Technically that can be said by all robins and Tmnt except Damian and Michelangelo but Stephanie kinda if you want to count her run as robin
Yeah I thought so too , but when you think about it Damien and Mikey are kinda similar though , there both the you best and least skilled and sometimes Damien can be impulsive but other than that yeah each of them are very similar
@@silentpresence6705 yesss I also consider Stephanie the Mikey of the robins
"Dick saw being Robin as a thrill, it's probably why he outgrew it.
Jason saw being Robin as a game, it's probably what got him killed.
But Tim?
I have to hand it to the boy, he truly wants to be The Worlds Greatest Detective, and from what I've seen, he will be someday..."
-Batman when talking about Tim Drake in "Batman: Hush"
After Jason Todd the greatest failure, Tim Drake the perfect partner...Well Batman learns from his mistakes.
Well his greatest failure was the Joker
@@johnnguyen5723 How?
Todd wasn't his failure. Todd was broken from the get go. Bruce did what he could to steer him to the right path. Sometimes despite all your good intentions, things still go bad. Tim Drake was the partner Batman needed. To keep him grounded.
@@leftcoaster67 he is failure
I hate how in almost every animated movie he is almost never mentioned and he is the best Robin even after batman he's the only one who kept the name as Red Robin
Maybe in the new animated universe he'll get introduced hopefully
Imagine a family sitcom with the Bat Family
The kind that tries to stab each other with forks at the dinner table while Bruce mutters behind his paper, "Play nicely, boys"
Has anyone noticed how the 4 main robins batman had are basically parallels to the teenage mutant ninja turtles???
Dick (Leo): a great and charismatic oldest brother
Jason (Raph): the hothead, always aggresive brother
Tim (Donnie): The intellectual/focused one. The detective
Damian (Mikey): The impulsive youngest brother
Pretty much the mirage turtles counterparts
Tim is easily my favorite Robin
Tbh Tim Drake is the perfect Robin.. sidekick for Batman he is the real Robin. Dick is Nightwing, Jason is Red Hood.. and Damian is being Damian😂 Thats why Tim is not so popular because he is Robin unlike all the others Robin that have a spotlight, Tim is a sidekick of Batman
“Dick saw being Robin as a thrill, it’s probably why he outgrew it. Jason saw being Robin as a game. It’s probably what got him killed. But…Tim…I have to hand it to the boy… He wants to be the world’s greatest detective. And from what I’ve seen so far…he will be someday.”
-Batman
Each of Sage's character dissections make me love the characters even more
I always found tim to be the perfect partner for Bruce. He’s the detective that dick and Jason aren’t. He’s the true heir to Bruce’s fortune and heir of the Batman mantle. Tim is smarter then most detectives in comics ra ah ghoul even called Tim detective something he only calls Bruce. Tim really helped Batman from his ptsd.
I've never seen anything about Tim before but he sounds cool. I still like Damian better though