Stupid Propshaft Repair Land Rover Discovery / S4-Ep49
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In this episiode, Christian repairs the drive shaft of my 2006 Land Rover Discovery 3 TDV6, which failed during our last overland trip through the western alps.
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"The difference between a hoarder and a collector is a collector knows what he's got" Thanks Christian, I will be using that on the wife!
awesome line will remember that.
What's the term for a hoarder that knows what he's got but can't find it or its buried under other valuables and must haves?
@@NathanNostaw that's an avid collector
It’s so good to see the youngsters thriving with mastering such important skills and crafts.
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One thing that never fails on a Land Rover… it’s ability to produce content for this channel!
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I must be your ideal viewer. I'm not a desktop mechanic, I never complain, I only have a vague idea what you are doing with not a clue as to whether it's done right or wrong (usually right, I'm guessing) and my eyes glaze over as I am watching like a baby enjoying a comforter. It's all so very relaxing in such a way that my own pathetic and fraught attempts at fixing vehicles and other devices never is.☺
Me to!
My efforts at fixing usually result in self-inflicted injuries - to myself and the vehicle.
I now know its not just me 🤣
We share your pain 😂
ITS LR TIME😊😊😊 what a great episode.great diagnostics,great repair job.your engineering is fantastic.making your own tools.like me I keep every clip,washer,seals just incase.this job would be expensive if sent to landrover.looking forward to next weeks episode.till then enjoy your week😊😊😊😊
Love your comment about the difference between a hoarder & collector! You dispel the myth about the German sense of humour 👍🤣
Germans have a great sense of humor like many other nations. The lack of fully understanding the language, culture is where myths are formed. A lot of colloquial talk and jokes are hard to translate into another language in a meaningful way.
A totally brilliant engineer, What’s more they are German with a good sense of humour. Vera is always smiling, videos have excellent content keep them coming. And yes we have all had moments like the Range Rover rubbish bag!
I have full confidence that Christian calculated the weight and placement of the sticker to offset any misalignment in the rebuild. Nice haul of speciality tools!
Came here to say this! 😂
This channel has been a favourite since it started - definitive DIY for disco drivers cloaked in a German remake of 'allo'allo......and delivered with Teutonic reliability weekly
Other wannabe RUclipsrs would do well to study it as an example of YT best-practice.
Let me be the first to wish the channel a Happy 5th birthday for next Sunday !
Except they don't like anything Chinese.
Yes Happy birthday LR Time for next Sunday
You two are a pair of comedians. I love what you do but I love even more how you do it.
Hello from Solihull. I'm loving your videos and your humor. Your approach to repairs is inspiring. I'm not fortunate enough I don't have a Discovery but I do have a P38 Range Rover so there is plenty to keep me busy. Best wishes to you both.
Anyone who watches your channel can see you have your head screwed on and do a great job helping other Discovery victims (owners).
I wouldn't worry about desktop mechanics, many if which probably have more on their mind, than in it. As my old boss used to tell me before we went into a meeting "Better be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove the doubt".
Great channel and good fun to watch. You are great ambassadors for Anglo/German relationships. This is despite ridiculing our old JLR junk. Just proves our sense of humour is sound 😂
Good morning Vera & Christian 😊 love how Vera is so protective about her LR3 when Christian is testing the broken prop shaft 🤣 it’s awesome how Christian can diagnose the fault and put a plan together to fix it with some fantastic humour 👍🏻 Great seeing Robin especially with the equipment you’ve just got for that old man 😊 I’m sure Robin will be making some fantastic metal work with his new equipment. How long before Christian is building Robin a work shop 🤔 Have a lovey day all of you. So until next time take care and a big kiss for Vera as always 😘
Ah, my favourite Sunday breakfast viewing, thanks to you both.
I find the boss is always the desk top mechanic .grrrrr makes my job a pain lolol
Nice repair 👍Btw Dean at Oxford 4x4 has some nearly new GKN props for £200 if you can get someone to sneak it in their luggage when visiting Xmas markets 😁
Well... I live in Oxfordshire and plan to be driving through Germany in the spring 😉 I drive all the way down the A3 from Köln to Passau and beyond - so pretty close.
Anyway, it would be nice to pop by so Vera and Christian can see how the engine of a RHD D4 looks like.
If it breaks, we will buy a new OEM one here in Germany. In 2020, when we installed the cheap chinese, the OEM was more than a 1000€, most likely thanks to Corona lockdown. That is why we went aftermarket. And we spent a fortune on other repairs just before. All documented in videos. 👍🙋♀️
We can bring it over! Hitting the road on Monday using our own Mall Crawler 🙂.@@Vera_and_Christian
You guys are the best I wish you were my next door neighbours I’ve got to fit my new prop shaft as my old one the center bearing has gone and well I’ve decided best be safe ha ha ❤
The German way would have been to put a sticker on both sides of the propshaft... und „voila“ eine richtig ausbalancierte Kardanwelle !
Genau 👍
you know that JLR is a quality product when a youtube channel can exist with weekly content, not just on the brand... but essentially on 2 vehicles needing constant maintenance 🤣
I have a 23 year old Disco 2 with 197,000 miles. I haven't done nearly this much maintenance on it during it's long life (I bought it new). The worst problems were leaking oil (re-did the seals) and the dreaded "three amigos" ABS fault but that was more than 10 years ago.
I think the Disco 3 and 4 that Christian and Vera own are more complicated and more failure prone.
What will be fixed for next Sunday's show? He's almost bullet proofed the Land Rover the DIN standards.
My father used to work at GKN Hardy Spicer and BRD in Birmingham. He started as a draftsman and finished his working life as the technical director. He had his name on several patents for the designs of hooks and CV joints. I remember as a youngster walking around the shop floor watching them being machined by hand, pre-CNC.
The definition of a hoarder is someone who can’t find what they know they’ve got - and orders it yet again from Amazon. We know we’ve got it, it’s just that we’ve moved it ten times since we decided to keep it. 😎😇🙀
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Love watching each weekly instalment - excellent as always 👍
Thank you! You changed my mind and I bought Land Cruiser
Yup doing this job today but already have another prop shaft so taking my time with original ty both for making downtime more enjoyable 😎👍✌️
This is the ONLY automotive channel my wife will actually watch with me 😂.
It must be universal wife and husband thing because we sound just like y'all when Im working on our cars.
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We have just got our D3, as the owner's of an old 90, we were a bit worried about the modern ( to us) technology but you gave us the confidence that we could handle anything it throws at us, so a big thank you.😁
Both of you should get an award from the UK Government , a medal from our king , for services to British engineering , above and beyond for problems solve in L R engineering . Have a great Christmas and Happy problem solving 2024 . 🤩🤔👍👍and to all who have watched over the years 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Got a RR now. With a fault. After it in the 3rd week now. No success. Found my limits. Christian
I think Christian’s secret repair method relies on having made a tool…
This is common with Land Rovers. Another RUclips channel, Dave's Auto Center, made a timing cover alignment bushing for a defective cover on a 4.6L Land Rover V8 so the front crank seal would align and not leak.
Christian, I love your Landrover videos, you obviously are a very well versed engineer, I love your funny playfully banter & how clear you are with instructions, also most importantly how thorough you are with measurements & labour. It really doesn't suprise me that you get muppets question & try to correct your work, truth be told most mechanics here in devon in the Uk haven't got the faintest idea on how to work on engines or auxiliaries & end up giving you a miss diagnosis so you end up changing a part that doesn't need changing. So just carry on doing the perfect job your doing, both educational & entertaining😊
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In the 70's, some Alfa Romeo's had live propshafts, and we used to "balance" them with stick on tyre weights and jubilee clips!
You guys make jeeps look reliable. I mean my old 1998 but still I thought I went thru hell to keep it running. lol. You guys have done far over what I would do for my Jeep.
I'm thinking that you need tp purchase the property next door for Robin and build a joint workshop between the 2 and get a you tube channel for Robin to help him finance his career. This is the best Sunday viewing by far and beats anything showing on the TV, thankyou for taking the time to produce this content.❤
Forgot to torque something, that’s a deep wound for Christian 😂
For a car that was rebuilt you guys sure doing a lot of work on it
It still has 275000 km on it. There always be someting to do. 😅👍🙋♀️
Good use of JB Weld!
I think you should have put another sticker on the other side of the shaft as well as another arrow on the opposite side and pointing the other way to keep the balance precise. JB Weld is a great sealer, well done. I hope you distributed it very carefully and then machined it so its COG is concentric with the shaft. You should keep it spinning on stands while stationary so the dust doesn't settle on one side. I wouldn't expect less.
“If she says it” 🇩🇪 for “that’s what she said “. 😂😂😂😂😂
The amount of sensors that thing has is astounding. I almost bought one once. It had 25 warning lights that scared me away. lol. Land Rover.
Hope you got your diagnostic tool already on order. 😅👍🙋♀️
Great job/repair Christian :) and subscribed 👍
I once rebuilt a disco 2 prop shaft that had completely lunched its universal joint. Needle bearings had all checked out and it was a miracle it hadn't ripped the spider apart. When people say BMW bought LR for its off road knowledge, I take another drink and laugh.
I bought an OEM propshaft for £358.00 GBP from LR Centre Ltd in the UK shipped to the US. It was £285 before shipping, has to be cheaper shipped to you guys. Thanks for another great video!
Thank you for your great videos I look forward to watching you guys every Sunday night here in New Zealand 🇳🇿
New subscriber and loving the catch-up during the weekend when my wife goes off to work 😂😂
So surprised to hear you both work for a living 😮
Keep up the great content ❤
tip for Robin, if you are forming angle bar, tack weld 2 bars back to back, then they will not twist, I had bar benders like this for building yacht frames, but built a hydraulic one , like your vid as usual, bet you sealed that with epoxy
Old industrial quality welders with nice big copper transformers weld great, so its a good gamble especially when you have some diagnostic/repair skills to keep,them going
ITS LR TIME😊😊😊 what a great episode.great diagnostics,great repair job.i too keep any bits that could come in handy for future jobs.not hoarding but saving.great engineering on making your own tools.was that a varta battery you have installed? No more varta you said!!! Looking forward to next weeks episode.enjoy your week😊😊😊
Best video for awhile
You both looked happy campers especially with the fixed disco
Only the best of German entertainment for breakfast on a Sunday morning 😊, beats the Sunday papers hands down!
Nice work on the drive shaft. And what a great score of metal working gear.
I have no idea how many know-it-all comments you guys get, but the rest of us are sitting here learning and based on my engineering, machining and mechanical experience I would say the big mouths are talking from their arses.
Happy disco-ing and thanks for another good video.
I always used a large rubber strap to hold props and crankshaft pulleys. Great video as always merry Christmas. 17:59
When i saw the title i was quite excited because my centre bearing is gone so i wanted to see how to do it, i wish you had shown the full repair!
Sorry, we missed the clip of the center punching and JB weld procedure. Worked great. If you stop the video you can see it. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks Christian, I'll get it all appart and back together! Really enjoy your videos
Even my wife like to watch your channel. So much fun.
I hope Birmingham was good to you!
Not only You did a great repair job as usual, You also managed to squeeze a 'that's what she said' joke, in true Sarah-n-tuned style :D
I definitely want to know how to seal that drive shaft and whether it held. I have not been able to get a good seal, the centrifugal force is too much for most epoxy and glue. Look forward to your review in 6 months. As always you guys are so entertaining as well as helpful. Good score for Robin and his blacksmith tools.
Yes, of course, you are right. . Metal bending is involved, and it was very tricky. If it lasts, we'll publish it. 👍👌🙋♀️
Great video guys 👍 When I was younger, I was told "you only get what you pay for", I think the Chinese were listening to us back then as well 😳. Anyway, good fix! Robin is certainly gathering some awesome tools there 👌
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use to have efi vogue range rover 1989 i bought for 2000 pounds years ago lpg converted with 100,000 miles on it in 7 years put another 70000 miles only issue was new water pump required.rot killed it eventually.amazing vehicle.
Make do and mend, the true way of a landrover mechanic. Workshop tools are awesome!
You can see us British can still build good quality parts, GKN stands for Guest, Keen & Nettlefolds, yet another great video from both of you, when you have run out of things to do you must upload some more of Robin's creative work
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Such a shame about GKN , worked with a guy who lost his job there , he told me how the quality compared to what they made from Poland was night and day , spreadsheet accountancy.
My father worked for GKN in their oldest factory ...its now a hospital..
They began making Mechanical fasteners.. Millions of them ... If youve ever had to work with sub standard Nuts bolts and screws you can tell the difference almost instantly. Same with the original posi and superdrive screwdrivers they dont chew up even after decades.
Hardy Spicer was the drive shafts and CV joints division..
The metal the tooling and the bearing qualities i would always find a differences with when re building my old Ford based kit cars.
I replaced all the void bushes with Polyurethane or S.Steel and nylon uk made sports items rubber ones just disintegrated in a year or 18 months. When they got warm they went soft ...next step they would break up then came the dreaded clunks and strange handling 😬.
Its always grim when the bean counters start running the engineering works top down.
I'm glad you reminded Christian he fitted your brake calipers without painting them.......I new it would get to you Vera 😂😂😂.
No no, I am all for the original look. I would have not painted the propshaft, but he wanted to. No painted calipers on my Disco please. 😃👌🙋♀️
true about British workshops nothing left just import it from some where it can be built cheap
Great video and info👍🏻 Also, I like the calendar babe in your workshop🤙🏻
My home town and down the road from Solihull Land Rover.
9:40 I know JB Weld when I see it... 🤔
Yes. Combined with center punches in the crimp slot. Christian
Yet another great episode. Maybe Robin could start his own blacksmithing channel.😮
That old steel press would be excellent for remaking land rover chassis's. Excellent bit of equipment that is❤️❤️👍
I am with Vera on you should have painted the brake callipers , maybe do them next time. Great job on the drive shaft. I think your son with all of his blacksmiths tools needs a barn soon.
Brushing the calipers (and rusty bits of discs and suspension arms, and chassis members, and fuel tank, and and) with Frameto (or other rust converter) gives a nice satin black finish which lasts a long time. Easy to do, easy to refresh without too much cleaning beforehand - not like painting! Try it, you'l be surprised
No, no painted calibers for my Disco, but I also would have not painted the propshaft. I think it is just as bad as having painted calibers. 😅👍🙋♀️
Another technical land rover repair by Christian. DIY nice. I was home this weekend in texas. calvary Overland is a texas overlanding community that brings overlander together that features all kinds of builds, mainly Jeeps & toyota, which builds a few Land rovers they do a few 7 days overlanding adventure trips a year cost around 800 this includes all meals a few work shop on overlanding. At this event, in plano, tx at lexus dealership sponsored this event. Lexus was showcasing the new 4x4 ineos grenadier full time 4x4. I like it but 75k ouch, not for the working man. I be dead and gone before I be a.be to buy a used one. I didn't know the history of how the grenadier came to life this isn't a land rover, it a private car manufacturer who didn't like the new defender he want to buy the defender rights land rover said no and he started his version of a defender 😮 wow . To be honest its a awesome idea brought to life . If i had to choose between the Land Rover 110 vs. ineos grenadier 🤔 im going with Land Rover 110 for many reasons where the start company might not be around in the future. Then you end up with a paper weight
The 'Desktop Mechanics' comments crack me up every time because they are SO true! No matter what you are doing and how experienced you are there will always be someone who says "Ah well what you did wrong there was ...."
Keeping the old propshaft was a master stroke as it saved a lot of money and you got back the very best GKN quality. But the Chinese part did OK for the money.
Don't despair too much about GKN because they are a huge British business. Yes the Automotive manufacturing was concentrated outside the UK by Melrose Hedge Fund the owners for reasons that made sense to only them but the Aerospace business has 8 sites in the UK and one, for example, does carbon fibre construction for Airbus especially for all Airbus wings which are completed at Airbus in Wales. GKN UK enabled Airbus to have the shape and efficiency (and size!) of the carbon fibre A380 wings.
My non-franchised LR/4X4 garage replaced my entire LR3 prop-shaft last year because the centre joint was worn. He insisted on replacing the entire shaft with OEM. By the time he would have changed just the centre bearing and risked the Joints failing, it just wasn’t worth just replacing the centre joint.
He has tried it many, many times.
I don’t want to sound like a desktop mechanic, but I once wrecked a lorry prop-shaft by reassembling it one spline tooth out. This happened within 10 miles!
Yes, it is not worth it for a workshop. I do think ours will last an other 100 t km and not leak. Will find out. Christian
Got my friendly local garage to do just the centre bearing (supplied by me) as otherwise I'd do it myself and he'd lose the job. Been fine for 4 years/11000 km
You'll never run out of content.
No, never. 😃👍🙋♀️
You guys are a joy to watch. Watching religiously from Connecticut USA. Land Rover Discovery 4 and Range Rover L322 owner.
Great video! I knew you'd put that propshaft back on!!! Told you so! 🙂
Very cool family.
Another Sunday fun video. I love that lovely old German quality metal bender press. Clean and paint it, good for another 100 years. Actually how old is it?
It’s not the sticker that throws off the balance it is the fact you didn’t paint while evenly rotating the driveshaft to ensure an even coating of paint. That will really ruin the balance 😅.
They are painted after balancing without control of the rotation. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian oh my, sacrilegious! Sure fire way to ruin it. Just imagine the imbalance due to three more atoms on one side versus the other. 😬😉
enjoying all your videos and comments from both of you :) ... for me its an entertainment video's as I am Toyota owner 😁😁😁😁
GKN was founded in 1759 and was sold to Melrose in 2018 and split into 3 divisions. Shame but that's how it goes!
All the best you 2 great repaire it was long enough to finish one cup of great coffee and funny as hell. What was that I heard your moving????? Happy Trails
Great Job!! That looks perfect! If they Giant Heat Shrink tubing, then maybe whiles its 2 parts, add a wide ring of heat shrink as a extra layer. I am thinking it would act as a boot. :)
You said it, it's two parts, and a heatshrink is not going to keep it together. So there is metal bending involved before anything is applied for sealing. And that step is what we are not showing, yet. 😃👍🙋♀️
It's not your titanium sticker Christian that will unbalance the shaft .... just wait till the paint starts flying off. lol
Good job guys!
The wooden hammer is called a MALLET in English Christian!
Thanks.
Hi Guys I wonder how many desks top machanices can work on a vehicle ? in my experience not many, yes there are things which I would have done but that's me not
you there are certain ways or short cuts you learn over time with experience but you have done a brilliant job mate well done ❤ Barry.
what a talented family!
and just to confirm - have ALL of the weird knocking/clicking noises now gone away?
Yes, it was the propshaft only. It finally broke enough, (right after an almost 2000km trip I took without Christian), so we could source the cause under normal driving conditions. Up until then, you could only get it to clonk in low gear when it is extremely steep. We do not have that kind of a driving codition anywhere close here, so we just waited until it broke enough.🙄😅 One clonking source can have you think your car will fall apart any minute. Like it was when I had my spare wheelbearing rolling around inside. 😅👍🙋♀️
I am sure your prop shaft repair will outlast the old Chinese prop where it looked like the splines had simply worn out. Made of cheese but as it gave you 3 years you can't complain . I think I used silkaflex to seal mine and it's been fine for over 2 years already. You should look for the Gruffalo centre bearing in the field repair using tie wraps and rubber pipe cut to short lengths held in place 👍 as for the sticker throwing the balance out it will simply compensate for being 1 spline out 😂👍amazing stuff you guys gathered too. I love old tools like that which were built to last and they can still produce excellent results today. See you next week.
Sikaflex 221 applied to the rear section of the centre bearing. Fill the whole space; did my 2005 TDV6 at 360k, now 420k. Resilience of the 221 is amazing.
He showed it to us and we also have a extremely good trail hack. But the center bearing, as in the ball bearing was worn, creating noise, not the rubber part. In the center bearing there is an actual ball bearing which needed to be replaced. Often times, only the rubber part is broken, which can be trail repaired. 👍🙋♀️
Brilliant 👏👏👏👏☘️
Loves these videos so much. They're fantastic machines when working correctly and you're clearly highlighting and rectifying so many faults. Your channel is essential viewing for any Owner
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Build a new chassis for your next project, with Robin's metal bender!
Always something 😁 .. it's what Sundays are for
Christmas has come early for Robin!
Oh he paid for it. 😃👍 Unfortunately few things are free. 🙋♀️
Very entertaining. I thought that I was a collector but on reflection I think I might be a hoarder.
Lol 😂
Never stops needing repairs, it's a landy
A friend did the drive shaft bearing and to reseal it he cut a plastic bottle and heat shrunk it over the 2 halves it has never leaked !
We are not worried that it will leak grease, your friend probably knows what we mean. We will let you guys know if it holds up in a couple of weeks or months. 👌👍🙋♀️
I do agree that all ducts need some sort of hearing protection.
Nice work!
I was wondering if a machined two part flange could fit on the shaft to clamp the boot together?
You can buy that in the UK for 260 Pounds. It does work. Lol.
@@Vera_and_Christian OK, then I just reinvented the wheel :)
Vera, I refuse to believe that Christian would forget to torque or properly tighten any bolt."German precision, I AM German precision !"
He did not forget to torque any bolts👍👌🙋♀️
Love it, well done Christian and Vera, has your son fully recovered from his injury? Cheers a non desktop mechanic. Nice bender very nice. Stickers saying NDTM would be great.😂 (Non desktop Mechanic) cheers.
Christian, the technical term while bending steel, is the easy-way and the hard-way. hehe lol
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Awesome an entertaining as usual. Love your work. Does Robbin have his own channel. It's great to see some of the younger ones having great skills. Most of the youth nower days are bloody useless. Keep up the great work guys. Love from Australia 🇦🇺
No, Robin does not do RUclips. He has a pretty workintensive job with long hours. For right now, he does not need more stress. (RUclips is stress). But hopefully, he will at some point have a RUclips channel. He is such an inspiration and he can explain extremely well. 👍🙋♀️
Thanks for your reply, and he Is.. and you guys are.. see you next week. And I hope that you and your whole have a fantastic Christmas. Peace and love to all 🎉