Before I started adding BTN press, I only did OHP with barbell and dumbbel and some lateral raises, but no other compund movement activates the side delt really well like the BTN press. Period. I would even go further, you only need ohp and btn press for your shoulders, and some rear delt isolation. Saves you time and also builds your upper trap and triceps.
Great video! In my opinio it all depends of the individual biomechanics and biomechanics affect all the movements thats why some people are elite pressers and some not (bench press, military press, ec). "Behind the neck presses are one of the best shoulder-building exercises there is, and it used to be a staple among bodybuilders from the 50s up to the early 80s. It's the most effective pressing exercise for overall shoulder development. This is found both in the trenches and in the lab. Among the three main pressing options - barbell press from the front, behind the neck barbell press, and dumbbell press - the behind the neck press has a significantly greater activation of all three heads of the delt. And there's no doubt that the behind the neck press is superior to the barbell military press (seated or standing). It's not even close. When comparing the standing versions of behind the neck presses with dumbbell presses, the dumbbell press hits more of the anterior delt, but the anterior delt is usually over-stimulated with all the bench pressing we do. And when comparing the seated versions of the behind the neck press and the dumbbell press, once again, the behind the neck press is the clear winner. Someone with a normal posture and no shoulder mobility issues should have no problem doing the behind the neck press safely. There are only two kinds of people who will have problems: 1.Those with a pronounced kyphosis (a rounded upper back and hunched shoulders). 2.Those with pre-existing shoulder mobility issues. If you're unable to do the behind the neck press comfortably, that's a sign you should work on shoulder mobility. In fact, the behind the neck press is a good diagnostic tool to see how functional your shoulders are. It's not the exercise that's the problem. It's the fact that it can highlight pre-existing shoulder issues. If you add it to your training, make sure that you don't lack mobility or have a shoulder injury. Start light until you find your groove. Olympic lifting powerhouse, Dmitry Klokov, for one. He does it in various forms: wide grip, narrow grip, strict, and with a push. Many even call the wide-grip behind the neck press a Klokov press. Klokov once suffered a serious shoulder injury attempting a 265-270 kg jerk from the racks in training. Afterward he started to emphasize various overhead pressing movements. Now, if a lifter who suffered a severe shoulder injury can do behind the neck presses with over 315 pounds, that's a sign that if you have proper mobility it's a not an inherently dangerous exercise. Paul Carter is a monster presser, having done 365 pounds in the strict behind the neck press. Paul has a permanently separated shoulder. Despite that, he can still handle monster weights in the behind the neck press. Ted Arcidi, one of the first to officially bench press 700 pounds, used the behind the neck press as his main upper body builder. He too was able to handle hefty loads without compromising his shoulders. Maybe it's time for you to re-think the behind the neck press too." by Christian Thibaudeau
My belief is that there is no bad exercise in general, some exercises are just bad for some people because they lack the mobility part. Behind the neck pull ups and presses made my shoulder strong asf and they feel healthier than ever before. Upright rows aren't a bad exercise either, what doesn't hurt in the process will not hurt in the future.
I was looking for push press vs behind the neck push press this is the closest video that i found. I found behind the neck push presses are easier to do than push presses technique wise especially when your struggling on the last rep
Saying the btn press is way more dangerous is like saying a 700lb front squat is more dangerous than a 700lb back squat. You're supposed to do less weight. People get snapped up trying to throw in a btn press with their front oh press setup.. Absolutely nothing wrong with a btn press, it's actually less dangerous and better for you than the front oh press that is common now. Exposing mobility weaknesses is a plus too. Nobody says if you are inflexible don't do this exercise, they say go stretch. If you have pain where and when others do not, it's because you have been doing the wrong thing for too long, not that the exercise is dangerous. Imagine not being able to move like other human beings and then blaming it on the exercise. Without too much weight, everybody should be able to do the same range of motion (aside from freak outliers like double jointed people). If you don't have that range of motion, you did something to lose it - it's not something you acquire.
The military press is more risky. This is because it encourages hyperextension of the lower back in order to prevent the bar from hitting the chin on the way up. The standing behind the neck press prevents hyperextension of the lower back and is consequently a safer exercise.
IMO what makes the military press more risky is the ability to take a huge breath and push more weight. People pass out doing OHP all the time and then you’ve got 200lbs coming straight down on top of you and that’s a bad time. This would never happen with a behind the neck press and even if it did the weight would be far lighter.
I made videos of it and front presses. I will always do them, I stop years ago because ppl always said its bad but I notice and feel the difference and will continue to do them. Never have I had shoulders and upper back development so good when I didn't do them.
The split jerk behind the neck is a related exercise that's often used late in the progression of development exercises before teaching the full jerk. It could also be done to a squat jerk, and might be the exercise you were trying to name. I don't think it has a short, practical name! Also, the "Shoulder Dislocate" sounds horrible but is actually a great mobility routine done with an unweighted tube. To a skilled trainer, it gives a lot of information on what needs to be strengthened now and what needs to be put off 'til later for each trainee. Your video is useful and well-done. Thanks.
What the hell poster doesn't have jack squat to do with any of this. I remember when I was in college I would do 135 for 3 sets of 5 . I didn't give a crap about no poster .
@@MartinJohnsonIII it targets all 3 heads of the delt. Just make sure you’re not going all the way down where you’re touching the back of your neck, go about halfway down:
Incorrect. Regardless of mobility or if it feels good every time u do it because shoulder injuries are not instant they occur slowly over time and therefore u will not notice the damage instantly. The way our shoulders are designed, the ball and socket fits in at an angle of around 30 degrees forward, so as soon as u go behind the neck you are wearing away your shoulders. Black and white.
Bullcrap! Tak this from a guy who was close to getting surgery after years of shoulderpain, loose ligaments and tears. Only when incorporating BTNP, my shoulders became stable and free of pain.
@@marcpersson7928 that’s just probably because you learnt to stabilise your scapula and use your traps correctly buddy, regardless you do BTNP you’re creating friction and inflammation basic skeletal structure chum. Thanks for the reply tho interesting, look in to human anatomy a little and you’ll understand what I mean. Respect.
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Before I started adding BTN press, I only did OHP with barbell and dumbbel and some lateral raises, but no other compund movement activates the side delt really well like the BTN press. Period. I would even go further, you only need ohp and btn press for your shoulders, and some rear delt isolation. Saves you time and also builds your upper trap and triceps.
I will never stop doing standing barbell press behind the neck.
Then how did you type this comment? With your feet?
Great video! In my opinio it all depends of the individual biomechanics and biomechanics affect all the movements thats why some people are elite pressers and some not (bench press, military press, ec).
"Behind the neck presses are one of the best shoulder-building exercises there is, and it used to be a staple among bodybuilders from the 50s up to the early 80s. It's the most effective pressing exercise for overall shoulder development. This is found both in the trenches and in the lab.
Among the three main pressing options - barbell press from the front, behind the neck barbell press, and dumbbell press - the behind the neck press has a significantly greater activation of all three heads of the delt. And there's no doubt that the behind the neck press is superior to the barbell military press (seated or standing). It's not even close.
When comparing the standing versions of behind the neck presses with dumbbell presses, the dumbbell press hits more of the anterior delt, but the anterior delt is usually over-stimulated with all the bench pressing we do. And when comparing the seated versions of the behind the neck press and the dumbbell press, once again, the behind the neck press is the clear winner.
Someone with a normal posture and no shoulder mobility issues should have no problem doing the behind the neck press safely. There are only two kinds of people who will have problems:
1.Those with a pronounced kyphosis (a rounded upper back and hunched shoulders).
2.Those with pre-existing shoulder mobility issues.
If you're unable to do the behind the neck press comfortably, that's a sign you should work on shoulder mobility. In fact, the behind the neck press is a good diagnostic tool to see how functional your shoulders are.
It's not the exercise that's the problem. It's the fact that it can highlight pre-existing shoulder issues. If you add it to your training, make sure that you don't lack mobility or have a shoulder injury. Start light until you find your groove.
Olympic lifting powerhouse, Dmitry Klokov, for one. He does it in various forms: wide grip, narrow grip, strict, and with a push. Many even call the wide-grip behind the neck press a Klokov press.
Klokov once suffered a serious shoulder injury attempting a 265-270 kg jerk from the racks in training. Afterward he started to emphasize various overhead pressing movements. Now, if a lifter who suffered a severe shoulder injury can do behind the neck presses with over 315 pounds, that's a sign that if you have proper mobility it's a not an inherently dangerous exercise.
Paul Carter is a monster presser, having done 365 pounds in the strict behind the neck press. Paul has a permanently separated shoulder. Despite that, he can still handle monster weights in the behind the neck press.
Ted Arcidi, one of the first to officially bench press 700 pounds, used the behind the neck press as his main upper body builder. He too was able to handle hefty loads without compromising his shoulders.
Maybe it's time for you to re-think the behind the neck press too."
by Christian Thibaudeau
Great post. Ed Coan was also big on behind the neck presses.
I can't ohp comfortably for some reason but behind the neck is decent enough
This channel is gold. no bias, just facts
My belief is that there is no bad exercise in general, some exercises are just bad for some people because they lack the mobility part. Behind the neck pull ups and presses made my shoulder strong asf and they feel healthier than ever before. Upright rows aren't a bad exercise either, what doesn't hurt in the process will not hurt in the future.
I was looking for push press vs behind the neck push press this is the closest video that i found. I found behind the neck push presses are easier to do than push presses technique wise especially when your struggling on the last rep
Saying the btn press is way more dangerous is like saying a 700lb front squat is more dangerous than a 700lb back squat.
You're supposed to do less weight. People get snapped up trying to throw in a btn press with their front oh press setup..
Absolutely nothing wrong with a btn press, it's actually less dangerous and better for you than the front oh press that is common now.
Exposing mobility weaknesses is a plus too. Nobody says if you are inflexible don't do this exercise, they say go stretch.
If you have pain where and when others do not, it's because you have been doing the wrong thing for too long, not that the exercise is dangerous.
Imagine not being able to move like other human beings and then blaming it on the exercise. Without too much weight, everybody should be able to do the same range of motion (aside from freak outliers like double jointed people).
If you don't have that range of motion, you did something to lose it - it's not something you acquire.
The military press is more risky. This is because it encourages hyperextension of the lower back in order to prevent the bar from hitting the chin on the way up. The standing behind the neck press prevents hyperextension of the lower back and is consequently a safer exercise.
You are correct in my experience
@@cactu5jack idem
100%
Perhaps if you don’t squeeze your glutes in, which almost everyone i see at local gyms don’t do
IMO what makes the military press more risky is the ability to take a huge breath and push more weight. People pass out doing OHP all the time and then you’ve got 200lbs coming straight down on top of you and that’s a bad time. This would never happen with a behind the neck press and even if it did the weight would be far lighter.
I made videos of it and front presses. I will always do them, I stop years ago because ppl always said its bad but I notice and feel the difference and will continue to do them. Never have I had shoulders and upper back development so good when I didn't do them.
frunt shoulders press with dumbells back with smith machine maybe no more then 20kg each side
The split jerk behind the neck is a related exercise that's often used late in the progression of development exercises before teaching the full jerk. It could also be done to a squat jerk, and might be the exercise you were trying to name. I don't think it has a short, practical name! Also, the "Shoulder Dislocate" sounds horrible but is actually a great mobility routine done with an unweighted tube. To a skilled trainer, it gives a lot of information on what needs to be strengthened now and what needs to be put off 'til later for each trainee. Your video is useful and well-done. Thanks.
Sal from AB Fitness in Los Gatos? I used to run my training business there. What's up Sal.
I can press much more behind my head than in front.
Same and have zero pain behind the front press is near impossible anymore for me after many years of shoulder injuries and cuff wear
Why is it easier for me to do behind the neck press??
Pretty much every old man that tells people they shouldn’t go deep on an exercise , has had injuries and/or has poor mobility
Likely
What the hell poster doesn't have jack squat to do with any of this. I remember when I was in college I would do 135 for 3 sets of 5 . I didn't give a crap about no poster .
Based on the quality of your post, I'm not sure you did go to college... thanks for trying though kid.
Btn press activates more side delts
Period
100%
what about rear delts
@@MartinJohnsonIII it targets all 3 heads of the delt. Just make sure you’re not going all the way down where you’re touching the back of your neck, go about halfway down:
@@Adonis8989 what about traps?
@@_youmadbrah yes works traps also
Incorrect. Regardless of mobility or if it feels good every time u do it because shoulder injuries are not instant they occur slowly over time and therefore u will not notice the damage instantly. The way our shoulders are designed, the ball and socket fits in at an angle of around 30 degrees forward, so as soon as u go behind the neck you are wearing away your shoulders. Black and white.
True ✅✅
Wrong. Stop watching Gaylean-X.
@@Yeomannn I see what you did there very smart of you ...
Bullcrap! Tak this from a guy who was close to getting surgery after years of shoulderpain, loose ligaments and tears. Only when incorporating BTNP, my shoulders became stable and free of pain.
@@marcpersson7928 that’s just probably because you learnt to stabilise your scapula and use your traps correctly buddy, regardless you do BTNP you’re creating friction and inflammation basic skeletal structure chum. Thanks for the reply tho interesting, look in to human anatomy a little and you’ll understand what I mean. Respect.