Yo, I love behind the neck press! When I was seriously pushing the OHP as a main lift, I got as high as 297.5 lbs and stalled. Failed 300 over and over and over for weeks until I ditched the lift. Then later I started doing BTN as a main lift. From DEEP. Like barbell starting from the rear delts. Worked up to 240 for a single and it’s still going up. Tried OHP for the first time in over a year a couple weeks ago and nailed 300 easy. Then I nailed 315. Haven’t done the lift in forever. The BTN is gold. Gold, Jerry, gold! It carries over to the OHP like a champ, so there’s really no sense in not training it even if you want to specialize in the press
I’ve been doing them for a while now, and I love them. The starting position of the BTN is like a deadlift. That bar ain’t going nowhere unless you can break it off your shoulders. It’s an all or nothing effort. Once it starts moving, there’s this surge of energy that makes you feel like you’re lifting the whole world. I do them with a specialty bar that has a slight camber. My hands are maybe 3 inches in front of where they would be if I was using a straight bar. It’s kind of like a db press with arms directly to the side, but with the stability of a barbell.
You’re right. The starting strength it takes to move that barbell is immense. You can achieve a similar effect as that cambered bar trick and really emphasize the side delts by taking a staggered stance and leaning the torso slightly forward while still pressing the standard barbell straight up.
@ it targets the side delts a bit more. And since many other presses acts on the front delts behind the neck press might be a good idea. If one have the mobility and shoulder health to do it of course..
Didnt do behind the back press for over 10 years, because everyone said it is bad for the shoulders. Started them a few months ago wirh Light weight and higher reps. It increased my shoulder mobility and health instead of destroying them! Very good exercise
I started doing btn presses because of you and Alex Leonidas! Absolutely love them - my favorite pressing variation. Too bad this movement rarely get the love it deserves - not a lot of guys outside the "noble natty" community even mention them
I've started to do these recently after watching Alex Leonidas talk about them, glad to hear your great points too! What do you think about behind the neck pulldowns?
BTN presses are goated, difficult to unlock but takes you to a whole new realm of shoulders, shoulder health + gains plus. Personally felt best for shoulders.
BEHIND THE NECK Presses+BEHIND THE NECK pull ups are best from the best bro and you can set up power rack pins this way to will be no risk increasing the way of motion with power rack pins after sets of this do lu rises 1 Behind the neck press 3 SET 6-8 REP+ 2 Pin OHP 3 SET 4-6 REP 3 Lu Raises 3 SET 10-15 REP
I lay my thumb on top of the bar and put my fingers over the thumb to get a super turned in bulldog grip on the BTN that’s ultra comfy on the wrists without having to independently control dumbbells. There are many clever little hand position hacks that many people just never seem to think of or try
You might find, like I did, that you need some weight on the bar to push your shoulders down deep enough into starting position. Like I can’t physically get in the starting position with an empty bar. I need about 135 to set up properly. Slow eccentrics with these where you especially control the very bottom of the movement is extremely helpful in building starting strength out of the bottom. This lift takes a lot of patience, but it’s so worth it
BTN press has replaced strict OHP as my primary shoulder movement. OHP is a secondary variation. I think BTN is a much better allround shoulder builder. I don't even need side raises anymore, i just add some rear delt accessories and shoulders done 👍🏻
I agree! I think the BTN press is better overall as the primary shoulder exercise. But I would still encourage you to press from the front cyclically as well as the 2 movements are complementary to each other!
Heard the 85% thing and realised that my BTN is doing quite well despite me not actively training it. I've done quite a bit of it in stuff like rackless back squats, good mornings, and more. Not for sets and reps, but regardless, my strict press PR is 67 kg. Perhaps due to fatigue and cutting, but I can't do more than about 64 kg right now. Meanwhile, I BTN 50 without even thinking about it, just as part of other lifts. I can probably do at least 55. So the percentage is probably in the low 80s.
I love this movement. It actually feels a more natural movement to me than front OH pressing. As you say it provides a more direct path when pressing. My side delts have definitely started growing since prioritizing behind the neck press.
Been ramping up my btn presses for the past 4 months, taking it slow because I started with pretty poor shoulder mobility. I'm getting close to my old regular OHP numbers now and I've been loving the lift
I have been doing behind the back presses for a while now Only for higher reps tho yet, might need to start focusing more heavily on progressing it to heavier weights, but I dound that it hits my rear delts pretty well too But maybe that's just me Great video anyways, I love your breakdowns, and I think you deserve much more subs and attention, so keep 'em coming
I think the rear delts do a lot of stabilizing on those exercise, as does the upper back. To such an extent that I can feel them burning with fatigue on higher rep sets. It's quote a unique feature of the movement actually!
great lift. hard to progress but I like it. Ive also been enjoying sandbag pressing which is essentially the opposite as you have to lay back and use your chest more. it think those would pair nicely
The BTN press is great for side delts as you said, I get more gains form it than from lateral raises, and when I superset both of them, it's just next level gains
My shoulders feel better than ever after a mesocycle of BTN presses, got them up to parity with my standard OHP and my side delts have been filling out like crazy!
i use this lift with a medium wide grip to strengthen my lock out on overhead press. it doesnt hurt your shoulder, only reveals existent weakness. ive started doing a lot more shoulder complexes that eric bugenhagen loves so much and my shoulders dont get sore anymore. chicken wings and stir the pot ftw. of course i do some other things for shoulder health as well.
I've been doing these for quite a while, and I see that I have indeed taken a right approach, taking only around half of what I'm doing on the regular OHP, and working it slowly. By the way, at 5:03 didn't you mean external rotation of the shoulder?
I gave them a fair shake for around 8 months, and they were fine on my shoulders but they *wrecked* my elbows (that's with a fair bit of re-pre-hab-mobility). I'm sure they're good, and everybody likes to do "old school" movements, but they're not for me.
recently started dong the BTN press, started off with just the bar and feels better in just one session already - also I had a question do you think the zercher deadlift can work as a solid replacement for a hip hinging exercise?
Will implement it now with your conjugate template! Regarding the fear mongering I would be interested in your opinion on things like Jefferson Curls etc like presented on KHMovement
Great vid. I had a question. I notice that during OHP , my left arm goes up first and then the right arm; when I lower the bar, it comes down more towards the left. Any idea why that happens? Thanks
Tried this today. Took me forever to get my shoulders warmed up enough to get into position. Gonna give it a month or so and see if my shoulder mobility improves.
Love it, my primary shoulder movement 👊💯 I’m old! lol We all did these though out the 70’s and eighties, I never had any issues. Then the fear mongering started and I stopped doing them for many years. Started back just like you described a few years ago, shoulders feel great 👊
yeah, the fear mongering is an unfortunate thing. for someone like me, when I was coming up it was during the HEIGHT of that sort of thing so it was ingrained pretty heavily into my psyche and took a lot of undoing to get to the point I'm at today. those sorts of ideas can have a real effect so it's crazy that they just get tossed around and perpetuated like that when they are largely baseless.
But Alec! I will not do it! Althean X will appear shirtless behind me with his fake plates and he'll scream "SHOULDER IMPINGEMENT!" in my ear until I buy his programme! I don't want to! Please don't make me!! 😭
I've been hitting BTN for about 3 months now, feels great. I do them with pretty narrow grip and at the moment I'm stronger on presses behind the neck than presses from the front. Best set is 6x60kg with full rom. My shoulders have grown but feels like my triceps are the weak link with these so have to add some tricep work for better press
Just did a btnP workout two days ago. I got my pecs a bit sore. Pecs do contribute to overhead presses at least as stabilizers. 1 had a week of layoff from lifting and this was my 1st ever btnP workout which might explain my sensititivty to the excercise.
What kind of rep range would you recommend for these? I've done them in the 10-15 range; would you go lower than that? Sets of 6-10? I'm only starting out with these and want to build my tissue capacity for this lift.
@EnkiriElite thanks man! Follow up: at what point do I know I can lower the number of reps? Any guidelines? My priorities are shoulder longevity, I want to reap the bulletproofing fruits of this lift, so to speak.
They're probably the best way to use a smith machine imo, because the bar path should be truly vertical (which is actually rare). But I still vastly prefer the free weight variations.
Hey Alec! Which one is your training templates would you recommend for me? I’m a jiujitsu black belt and compete often and train it probably 5x a week. I’ve been lifting for years but I’m not very strong. Ran some basic barbell programs and some 531 / conjugate stuff. What would you recommend?
I would probably keep it basic. The novice program is 3x per week full body, which might be easier to manage given your jujitsu workload. The intermediate is 4x per week on an upper/lower split. That might be together to navigate in terms of finding the time/recovery resources to excel, but there will be more room to make gains in the long run.
I have a question. I am mostly interested in the shoulder hygiene that this exercise has to offer, is it a good idea to take the barbell to the rear delts? I started doing it to this depth and can only do 85lbsx8. On standard OHP I can do a few reps of 135. My rotator cuffs felt worked but it was honestly difficult to tell if it was a healthy feeling or not.
Bro, your content is amazing; I emailed you but I know your inbox likely flooded. I'm 198 cm tall; just turned 40 and in best shape of my life, but your shit is out of this world bro!!! Just trying to connect!!!
I hit 90x10 on sissy squat. Any tips to make the loading phase easier or just embrace the suck? I attach a dip belt to a daisy chain on the squat rack. Then I hold the plates against my chest. Just annoying getting em up there & concerned as I approach 3 plates
Wouldn’t normal OHP hit the side delts more since you’re bringing your arms back slightly as you press, Like a Y raise? While behind the neck leaves your shoulders externally rotated so the front Delt is what’s on top
Bringing the upper arms back is a function of the posterior delts, not the lateral delts. A Y raise is an upper back and rear delt exercise, not a lateral deltoid exercise.
No, a push press will not ne as effective for shoulder hypertrophy if done in the absence of any strict press work. Doing both will lead to the best growth, but push presses skip the part at the bottom that works the delts the most.
Given how snatch grip high pull also works lateral deltoids, if OHP, and posterior deltoid face pulls are in the program, which of BTN or snatch grip high pull fits better between those two? Currently I do light weight BTN after the other 3 with higher reps as a finisher and I move it slightly backwards and not strictly vertical to balance out the over training anterior deltoids get from almost all shoulder movments and also the chest movemnets.
I recently started doing these with a cambered bar and though I prefer them for many reasons, foremost among them is that I don't need to move my noodle out of the way on every single damn rep
Only vertical press I do now. You can't cheat and every other type over ohp doesn't do much more for your delts that flat pressing. I also like weighted dips for shoulders. I filmed some on my channel and you can really see how the shoulders get hammered
What do you think is a good second goal in the BTN press for those of us who have already hit the initial 85% strict OHP goal? Any absolute/relative strength benchmarks?
I would take the newfound strength to push the regular ohp a bit higher, then once those gains were realized I would go back to focusing primarily on the btn press again.
Athlean X pressed 500lbs BTN when he visited Brad Castleberry's personal gym with special plates. It was such a heavy lift he was pressed into the future and saw Shoulder Impingement everywhere.
Of course you can lean back slightly once the bar is clear of your head. Doesnt take a rocket surgeon to figure that part out. But im not even talking about that. What im talking about is how you cannot lean back to drive the bar off of your shoulders like so many peopke do when pressing from the front, which is actually not a bug but a *feature* of pressing from the front just as ZERO layback is a feature of pressing from the back. No chest. All delts. What happens when the bar clears the head is largely inconsequential anyway. You miss the point entirely while demonstrating total ignorance on the topic, and choose to make snarky comments instead jfc. It's sad.
No, not in any genuine fashion. As a stabilizer only. The function of the rear delt is to draw back the humerus, which does not happen on the btn press.
I use the klokov press (snatch grip btn press) as a separate variation. For me it is roughly 15% weaker compared to my regular grip btn press. My regular btn grip is basically just the same width as my regular OHP grip.
You seem far below 10% bf and I heard that it can cause a deficiency in testosterone which decreases your performance but you seem to be working just fine . is it possible for everyone to do that
BTN press is only good if the bar path is kept extremely straight. So many people just shoot the bar over their head as soon as it starts going up and it becomes a weird hybrid of a normal OHP and a BTN press. You don’t have to go heavy on this lift and shouldn’t imo.
@ Typically pinkies on the rings, which is about where I bench as well. For normal OHP my index finger is about an inch from the smooth. I don’t have good enough shoulder mobility to consistently maintain that grip behind my head. Probably about time to expand training to include more than hypertrophy.
Squat in the front, press in the back 😎😂
I like this.
Haha that’s cool as fuck
Amen
@@EarthMan-hx3xb LOL!
I already do the former, I'm half way there!
Yo, I love behind the neck press! When I was seriously pushing the OHP as a main lift, I got as high as 297.5 lbs and stalled. Failed 300 over and over and over for weeks until I ditched the lift. Then later I started doing BTN as a main lift. From DEEP. Like barbell starting from the rear delts. Worked up to 240 for a single and it’s still going up. Tried OHP for the first time in over a year a couple weeks ago and nailed 300 easy. Then I nailed 315. Haven’t done the lift in forever. The BTN is gold. Gold, Jerry, gold! It carries over to the OHP like a champ, so there’s really no sense in not training it even if you want to specialize in the press
you were summoned here
You god damn right it does!🤝
Man you are really underrated,
wishing you more and more growth.
BTN is absolutely king! Been doing it for a year now, and man what a game changer in development and strengh of the shoulder
I’ve been doing them for a while now, and I love them. The starting position of the BTN is like a deadlift. That bar ain’t going nowhere unless you can break it off your shoulders. It’s an all or nothing effort. Once it starts moving, there’s this surge of energy that makes you feel like you’re lifting the whole world.
I do them with a specialty bar that has a slight camber. My hands are maybe 3 inches in front of where they would be if I was using a straight bar. It’s kind of like a db press with arms directly to the side, but with the stability of a barbell.
You’re right. The starting strength it takes to move that barbell is immense. You can achieve a similar effect as that cambered bar trick and really emphasize the side delts by taking a staggered stance and leaning the torso slightly forward while still pressing the standard barbell straight up.
friendly behind the neck comment.
BOOM! 💥 💯
@@EnkiriElitehow do we program this if we have painful shoulders due to past injuries
@@ajithsidhu7183 start lighter with a weight that doesn't hurt and adapt from there
Klokov Press is the only strict barbell OHP I’ve been doing. Love it. Dominates the lateral delts and triceps too.
Klokov presses are freaking tough!
Or is it the Steve Reeves press 🤔😲
What are the reasons for doing the klokov press over the standard btnp for the general non olympic lifting person
@ it targets the side delts a bit more. And since many other presses acts on the front delts behind the neck press might be a good idea.
If one have the mobility and shoulder health to do it of course..
Didnt do behind the back press for over 10 years, because everyone said it is bad for the shoulders. Started them a few months ago wirh Light weight and higher reps. It increased my shoulder mobility and health instead of destroying them!
Very good exercise
I started doing btn presses because of you and Alex Leonidas! Absolutely love them - my favorite pressing variation. Too bad this movement rarely get the love it deserves - not a lot of guys outside the "noble natty" community even mention them
such an underrated exercise
not jus underrated, but has active smear campaigns against it lol. what a shame
@@EnkiriElitesame with full ROM upright rows, imo
@@EnkiriElite ya boy Jeff
I have since a few months switched the BtN to my main overhead movement and it’s been amazing, easily my favorite upperbody movement!
Behind the neck presses are great. So are behind the neck pullups.
Bro I love these so much. They blow up my shoulders and smash the long head of my triceps like nothing else.
glad to hear that more people are starting to enjoy this lift!
BTN is king. Would love to see a programming video on how to blow up the BTN press.
I've started to do these recently after watching Alex Leonidas talk about them, glad to hear your great points too! What do you think about behind the neck pulldowns?
they're very challenging, but it makes sense to complement a behind the neck press with a behind the neck pull!
BTN presses are goated, difficult to unlock but takes you to a whole new realm of shoulders, shoulder health + gains plus. Personally felt best for shoulders.
BEHIND THE NECK Presses+BEHIND THE NECK pull ups are best from the best bro
and you can set up power rack pins this way to will be no risk increasing the way of motion with power rack pins
after sets of this do lu rises
1 Behind the neck press 3 SET 6-8 REP+
2 Pin OHP 3 SET 4-6 REP
3 Lu Raises 3 SET 10-15 REP
That's brutal but effective 💪
I prefere super flared out dumbbell press since you have control of the wrist position. The mechanic is almost the same
To each his own! Btn is king for me 👑
I lay my thumb on top of the bar and put my fingers over the thumb to get a super turned in bulldog grip on the BTN that’s ultra comfy on the wrists without having to independently control dumbbells. There are many clever little hand position hacks that many people just never seem to think of or try
Coming back from a non exercise related shoulder injury and doing btn press with just the bar atm. It burns, but it burns in a good way.
You might find, like I did, that you need some weight on the bar to push your shoulders down deep enough into starting position. Like I can’t physically get in the starting position with an empty bar. I need about 135 to set up properly. Slow eccentrics with these where you especially control the very bottom of the movement is extremely helpful in building starting strength out of the bottom. This lift takes a lot of patience, but it’s so worth it
BTN press has replaced strict OHP as my primary shoulder movement. OHP is a secondary variation. I think BTN is a much better allround shoulder builder. I don't even need side raises anymore, i just add some rear delt accessories and shoulders done 👍🏻
I agree! I think the BTN press is better overall as the primary shoulder exercise. But I would still encourage you to press from the front cyclically as well as the 2 movements are complementary to each other!
I love your work. I would love it if you made a video on your take about lat pulldowns done behind the neck.
Just tried these today for the first time so great timing on the video!
let's goooo. start light, build slowly. big gains will be coming
@@EnkiriEliteThanks! Felt quite good from the start but still feel like I need a little bit more mobility. Any tips/exercises for that?
@@robingeveke6001 Going super light and trying to bring it even lower with externally rotating the arms as you go lower works for me.
Heard the 85% thing and realised that my BTN is doing quite well despite me not actively training it. I've done quite a bit of it in stuff like rackless back squats, good mornings, and more. Not for sets and reps, but regardless, my strict press PR is 67 kg. Perhaps due to fatigue and cutting, but I can't do more than about 64 kg right now. Meanwhile, I BTN 50 without even thinking about it, just as part of other lifts. I can probably do at least 55. So the percentage is probably in the low 80s.
I love this movement. It actually feels a more natural movement to me than front OH pressing. As you say it provides a more direct path when pressing. My side delts have definitely started growing since prioritizing behind the neck press.
Been doing em over 20 years. The goat for OHP!
Been ramping up my btn presses for the past 4 months, taking it slow because I started with pretty poor shoulder mobility. I'm getting close to my old regular OHP numbers now and I've been loving the lift
The BTN press feels even better on the shoulders than the OHP. Thanks for the video bro you explained it very well
I love the behind the neck press. My past shoulder injuries will not let me do them anymore, but such as amazing exercise.
Good to know that it's more of a shoulder iso movement and gets the side delts way more. Might do it eventually. Tool in the toolbox.
I started doing a month ago. My shoulders feel so much stable, and the pump in the mid delt and the triceps is amazing.
I have been doing behind the back presses for a while now
Only for higher reps tho yet, might need to start focusing more heavily on progressing it to heavier weights, but I dound that it hits my rear delts pretty well too
But maybe that's just me
Great video anyways, I love your breakdowns, and I think you deserve much more subs and attention, so keep 'em coming
I think the rear delts do a lot of stabilizing on those exercise, as does the upper back. To such an extent that I can feel them burning with fatigue on higher rep sets. It's quote a unique feature of the movement actually!
@@EnkiriElite GVS talked about how BTN presses stimulate the upper back a lot
great lift. hard to progress but I like it. Ive also been enjoying sandbag pressing which is essentially the opposite as you have to lay back and use your chest more. it think those would pair nicely
sandbag pressing hits different
The BTN press is great for side delts as you said, I get more gains form it than from lateral raises, and when I superset both of them, it's just next level gains
those shoulders, congrats man !
My shoulders feel better than ever after a mesocycle of BTN presses, got them up to parity with my standard OHP and my side delts have been filling out like crazy!
i use this lift with a medium wide grip to strengthen my lock out on overhead press. it doesnt hurt your shoulder, only reveals existent weakness. ive started doing a lot more shoulder complexes that eric bugenhagen loves so much and my shoulders dont get sore anymore. chicken wings and stir the pot ftw. of course i do some other things for shoulder health as well.
For the algorithm, thanks for the video
Bubububububut Athlean X said it causes shoulder cancer!
I've been doing these for quite a while, and I see that I have indeed taken a right approach, taking only around half of what I'm doing on the regular OHP, and working it slowly. By the way, at 5:03 didn't you mean external rotation of the shoulder?
I gave them a fair shake for around 8 months, and they were fine on my shoulders but they *wrecked* my elbows (that's with a fair bit of re-pre-hab-mobility). I'm sure they're good, and everybody likes to do "old school" movements, but they're not for me.
As a beginner, my go to superset is a Front Squat - Behind the neck Press
recently started dong the BTN press, started off with just the bar and feels better in just one session already - also I had a question do you think the zercher deadlift can work as a solid replacement for a hip hinging exercise?
Will implement it now with your conjugate template!
Regarding the fear mongering I would be interested in your opinion on things like Jefferson Curls etc like presented on KHMovement
i love this lift. one of my fav. presses
Including either BTN Presses OR Lu Raises I feel like are a must for shoulder health.
That's why i do both!
Great vid. I had a question. I notice that during OHP , my left arm goes up first and then the right arm; when I lower the bar, it comes down more towards the left. Any idea why that happens? Thanks
Tried this today. Took me forever to get my shoulders warmed up enough to get into position. Gonna give it a month or so and see if my shoulder mobility improves.
Stick with it bro, it'll be worth it in the end
can't wait to up my strength on theses. They are fun asf lol
Love it, my primary shoulder movement 👊💯 I’m old! lol We all did these though out the 70’s and eighties, I never had any issues. Then the fear mongering started and I stopped doing them for many years. Started back just like you described a few years ago, shoulders feel great 👊
yeah, the fear mongering is an unfortunate thing. for someone like me, when I was coming up it was during the HEIGHT of that sort of thing so it was ingrained pretty heavily into my psyche and took a lot of undoing to get to the point I'm at today. those sorts of ideas can have a real effect so it's crazy that they just get tossed around and perpetuated like that when they are largely baseless.
But Alec! I will not do it! Althean X will appear shirtless behind me with his fake plates and he'll scream "SHOULDER IMPINGEMENT!" in my ear until I buy his programme!
I don't want to! Please don't make me!! 😭
I've been hitting BTN for about 3 months now, feels great. I do them with pretty narrow grip and at the moment I'm stronger on presses behind the neck than presses from the front. Best set is 6x60kg with full rom. My shoulders have grown but feels like my triceps are the weak link with these so have to add some tricep work for better press
Love this press
Whta do you think would be the best exercises to increase horizontal standing/broad jump length? My goal is to increase it by 40 cm until next year
Just did a btnP workout two days ago. I got my pecs a bit sore. Pecs do contribute to overhead presses at least as stabilizers.
1 had a week of layoff from lifting and this was my 1st ever btnP workout which might explain my sensititivty to the excercise.
What kind of rep range would you recommend for these? I've done them in the 10-15 range; would you go lower than that? Sets of 6-10?
I'm only starting out with these and want to build my tissue capacity for this lift.
I would start out at 10+, work that down to 8-10, then 6-8. After that you can toy around with 4-6.
@EnkiriElite thanks man! Follow up: at what point do I know I can lower the number of reps? Any guidelines? My priorities are shoulder longevity, I want to reap the bulletproofing fruits of this lift, so to speak.
What’s your take on BTN presses on a Smith Machine?
They're probably the best way to use a smith machine imo, because the bar path should be truly vertical (which is actually rare). But I still vastly prefer the free weight variations.
Hey Alec!
Which one is your training templates would you recommend for me?
I’m a jiujitsu black belt and compete often and train it probably 5x a week.
I’ve been lifting for years but I’m not very strong.
Ran some basic barbell programs and some 531 / conjugate stuff.
What would you recommend?
I would probably keep it basic. The novice program is 3x per week full body, which might be easier to manage given your jujitsu workload.
The intermediate is 4x per week on an upper/lower split. That might be together to navigate in terms of finding the time/recovery resources to excel, but there will be more room to make gains in the long run.
I have a question. I am mostly interested in the shoulder hygiene that this exercise has to offer, is it a good idea to take the barbell to the rear delts?
I started doing it to this depth and can only do 85lbsx8. On standard OHP I can do a few reps of 135.
My rotator cuffs felt worked but it was honestly difficult to tell if it was a healthy feeling or not.
I just love overhead pressing, and I do it all ways in different training blocks
Bro, your content is amazing; I emailed you but I know your inbox likely flooded. I'm 198 cm tall; just turned 40 and in best shape of my life, but your shit is out of this world bro!!! Just trying to connect!!!
What do you think of doing these ultra wide grip like Klokov does?
I hit 90x10 on sissy squat. Any tips to make the loading phase easier or just embrace the suck?
I attach a dip belt to a daisy chain on the squat rack.
Then I hold the plates against my chest. Just annoying getting em up there & concerned as I approach 3 plates
Wouldn’t normal OHP hit the side delts more since you’re bringing your arms back slightly as you press, Like a Y raise? While behind the neck leaves your shoulders externally rotated so the front Delt is what’s on top
Bringing the upper arms back is a function of the posterior delts, not the lateral delts. A Y raise is an upper back and rear delt exercise, not a lateral deltoid exercise.
Will the BTN push press be just as effective for growth and strength or only the strict version?
No, a push press will not ne as effective for shoulder hypertrophy if done in the absence of any strict press work. Doing both will lead to the best growth, but push presses skip the part at the bottom that works the delts the most.
What do you think is the right grip width for this exercise
It looks like he's got his hands stacked above his elbows with his elbows. So I guess that width 🤷
How do you feel about btn pulldowns/pull ups?
Given how snatch grip high pull also works lateral deltoids, if OHP, and posterior deltoid face pulls are in the program, which of BTN or snatch grip high pull fits better between those two? Currently I do light weight BTN after the other 3 with higher reps as a finisher and I move it slightly backwards and not strictly vertical to balance out the over training anterior deltoids get from almost all shoulder movments and also the chest movemnets.
I recently started doing these with a cambered bar and though I prefer them for many reasons, foremost among them is that I don't need to move my noodle out of the way on every single damn rep
At 5:07 did you mean external rotation?
Jeff Cavalier turned out to be so full of ish
I began doing them for rotator cuff health but the pumps are wild
Only been doing it for a short bit but my side+rear delts are growing doing these+high pulls/cheat upright rows..... so it's working.
Only vertical press I do now. You can't cheat and every other type over ohp doesn't do much more for your delts that flat pressing. I also like weighted dips for shoulders. I filmed some on my channel and you can really see how the shoulders get hammered
Started these but I can’t get the bar all the way down. Will I die
Mandatory engagement comment!
It’s not the case for me with BNP but it is a lot of fun to stand next to someone and OHP the same weight they are squatting with
What do you think is a good second goal in the BTN press for those of us who have already hit the initial 85% strict OHP goal? Any absolute/relative strength benchmarks?
I would take the newfound strength to push the regular ohp a bit higher, then once those gains were realized I would go back to focusing primarily on the btn press again.
How about vertical press with a cambered(row) bar?it has similarity in body positon except the head position neutral (er) position.
What's the heaviest BTN press ever ??
Athlean X pressed 500lbs BTN when he visited Brad Castleberry's personal gym with special plates. It was such a heavy lift he was pressed into the future and saw Shoulder Impingement everywhere.
Awh he got a buzz cut now 😂😢
I've had massive gains when I shifted to the BTN press. I like Athlean X, but I must admit that Jeff was wrong in avoiding this best shoulder workout.
Does it train the side delts enough ?
Imo yes
@ great I really don’t like lateral raises I’ll just switch between those and upright rows
0:40 Talks about not leaning back then proceeds to lean back 🔙🔙🔙
Of course you can lean back slightly once the bar is clear of your head. Doesnt take a rocket surgeon to figure that part out. But im not even talking about that. What im talking about is how you cannot lean back to drive the bar off of your shoulders like so many peopke do when pressing from the front, which is actually not a bug but a *feature* of pressing from the front just as ZERO layback is a feature of pressing from the back. No chest. All delts. What happens when the bar clears the head is largely inconsequential anyway.
You miss the point entirely while demonstrating total ignorance on the topic, and choose to make snarky comments instead jfc. It's sad.
whats that belt bruv
ty !
The nice thing is even for me it seems to work the long head of the tricep
Differs from Klokov presses in terms of grip width?
A klokov press is specifically a snatch grip behind the neck press.
@EnkiriElite Is this harder on mobility? I can't try it until my gym reopens tomorrow 😁
Does it work on the back of the delt?
No, not in any genuine fashion. As a stabilizer only. The function of the rear delt is to draw back the humerus, which does not happen on the btn press.
Do horizontal pulling for back delts
45KG on the BTN press, I should try a closer grip similar to yours, maybe that will make me stronger
I use the klokov press (snatch grip btn press) as a separate variation. For me it is roughly 15% weaker compared to my regular grip btn press. My regular btn grip is basically just the same width as my regular OHP grip.
YES.
💯🤙🤝
what are the pros and cons of seated vs standing?
Seated with torso support or without torso support? Very different lifts.
@@EnkiriElite without support. also how does it compare to dumbbells?
What timing, I did btn press for 2x5reps@160lbs a while ago.
That's impressive!
@ thanks, but YOU my friend are very impressive
You seem far below 10% bf and I heard that it can cause a deficiency in testosterone which decreases your performance but you seem to be working just fine . is it possible for everyone to do that
Only if I had no shoulder injury I would definitely be doing this 😢
Let's go 🎉🎉🎉
Please someone link me the best pull up form guide
I’m stronger in my behind the neck press because I have abnormally strong rear delts. I enjoy them.
BTN press is only good if the bar path is kept extremely straight. So many people just shoot the bar over their head as soon as it starts going up and it becomes a weird hybrid of a normal OHP and a BTN press. You don’t have to go heavy on this lift and shouldn’t imo.
Meh
I can OHP 225, but BTN always feels odd if I go over about 115, primarily due to lack of wrist mobility. Any tips?
You can develop mobility with stick dislocations
Highly unlikely a wrist mobility issue… are you using the same grip width as your standard overhead press?!
@@clintiacuone1703 I vary between the same grip and a little wider grip. I usually prefer wider.
@ is it when you go wider you get the discomfort?! And how much wider we talking like a snatch grip or a fraction wider than shoulder width
@ Typically pinkies on the rings, which is about where I bench as well. For normal OHP my index finger is about an inch from the smooth. I don’t have good enough shoulder mobility to consistently maintain that grip behind my head. Probably about time to expand training to include more than hypertrophy.
what’s a good starting point for grip width on a BTN press?
same as ohp from front